National Politics - 2016

“First In The South” Endorsement: Donald Trump

BURN … IT … DOWN …  This website doesn’t usually endorse frontrunners.  In 2012, we backed the GOP presidential campaign of former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul – who finished fourth in that year’s “First in the South” presidential primary.  Then, that fall, we endorsed the general election bid of libertarian Gary…

BURN … IT … DOWN … 

This website doesn’t usually endorse frontrunners.  In 2012, we backed the GOP presidential campaign of former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul – who finished fourth in that year’s “First in the South” presidential primary.  Then, that fall, we endorsed the general election bid of libertarian Gary Johnson – who garnered a measly one percent of the popular vote.

Why did we embrace such long shots?  Because they were consistently advancing the issues we believed in: Freedom and free markets.  Liberty and prosperity.  Lower taxes and less government.

Sure, they lacked a pithy catchphrase (and custom embroidered hats), but they were genuinely trying to “Make America Great Again” – and not only that, they were trying to do so by restoring our nation’s constitutional principles along with the economic philosophy that produced decades of global dominance.

A.k.a. real, homegrown “American exceptionalism.”

Freedom, free markets … liberty, prosperity … lower taxes, less government.

Again, it’s not that complicated.

These terms once defined the “Republican” brand … but no more.  Instead the GOP has morphed into the “other” party of big government.  In Washington, D.C., the party’s white flag is perpetually aflutter – and its presidential primaries over the last two cycles have devolved into a search for ideological shape-shifters who possess “electability,” not the courage and consistency of their convictions.

Meanwhile for all it’s talk of inclusiveness, the last two primary elections have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is absolutely no room in the GOP tent for either the “Paul-tards” or the “Trump-kins,” a.k.a. supporters of current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump.

Basically, the party establishment wants those who reject its bought-and-paid for suits to sit down and shut up.  To give up.  To roll over.  These “Republicans” insist we swallow their ongoing treachery – and pass along the incalculable costs they are imposing on us to our children and grandchildren.

Well guess what … “hell to the no.”

And while they court new breeds of dependents (corporate cronies included) in an effort to further inflate these unsustainable fiscal obligations, they have relied securely on the knowledge that We The People paying for all of this have no other option.  No one else to turn to.

After all … who else are we going to vote for?

Seriously … if we were Syrian immigrants looking to be radicalized at local mosques prior to dining sumptuously on a dependency buffet, then in that case the GOP would be tripping all over itself to invite us into its tent.

In fact don’t look now, but that’s exactly what’s happening … 

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But we don’t have our hand out.  We’re honest. Hard-working. Tax-paying. Job-creating.  Americans.  In other words, we’re the ones being asked to provide the smorgasbord of entitlement and political correctness being doled out daily by an ever-expanding, increasingly invasive government in Washington, D.C.

You know, we’re talking about the same government that’s currently $19 trillion in debt and facing the first in a serious of entitlement explosions – all while it pretends it can simultaneously wage war against radical Islam, Vladimir Putin and China.

Yeah … right.

We’re the ones paying the cost for all this.  Us … the middle class … the lower-middle class … along with our brothers from other mothers.

Seriously: Where are we supposed to turn?

Not to the GOP, obviously.  The party’s ongoing surrender to the far left was what the 2016 presidential campaign was supposed to be about … a mirror image of the wholesale “Republican” retreat still taking place in our nation’s capital.

We were supposed to pick the centrist warmongering “Republican” most likely to defeat the centrist warmongering Democrat.  Rinse.  Repeat.  Grab your socks and hose and pull.  Another dance step toward the ash heap of history …

But then … Trump happened.  Loudly.  Bluntly.  Irreverently.  And again … loudly.  Dulled into complacency by the dehumanizing hum of chronic concession and cookie cutter echoes (not choices) … this country found itself jarred into a reality by a sonic bombast it never anticipated, but quickly found it couldn’t do with out.

Invoking a plain-spoken, Bulworth-esque disdain for convention, Trump’s brusque bravado on the issue of illegal immigration ignited a spark across the nation’s political landscape.  Right or wrong, it prompted a discourse America didn’t want to have – but had to have.  And the spark still burns.  As its accompanying cacophony endures.

“What was envisioned by the party’s increasingly left-leaning elites as a sanitized, scripted exchange of talking points has turned into a totally unfiltered outpouring of raw popular outrage – with Trump smartly and unapologetically channeling the angst of huge swaths of the GOP electorate who feel betrayed by their party and its rotating crop of two-faced leaders,” we wrote back in July of last year.

Fueling that rise?  Honest anger based on real injustice.  In other words, the same class warfare Democrats have been exploiting for years as part of their (successful) effort to back the GOP into an Electoral College corner.

The result of this adept political calculus?  Increasingly liberal Democrats were able to grow bolder and more sinister in their encroachments on our liberty and our economy – even as the mood of the country moved in the opposite direction – all without paying a price at the polls.

That shift is ongoing in our nation’s capital … and on college campuses across the country.

As our friend Rick Manning of Americans for Limited Government recently wrote, “an iceberg is heading into the path of the United States Constitution.  A destructive wave of political thought that appears out of the mainstream on the surface, but which like an iceberg has 90 percent of its mass below the surface.”

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Indeed …

In increasingly broad swaths of the country, though, Trump has single-handedly obliterated this paradigm … and established one of his own.  By sheer ego, raw emotional appeal and adept exploitation of ongoing “Republican” failure on hot-button issues – he has become a planet-sized impediment to the two-party status quo that’s been holding this country back for decades.  In fact the sheer gravitational pull of his movement is what ultimately compelled our endorsement – which as recently as this week still wasn’t a sure thing.

Suddenly – finally – someone flipped the same old script.  And as hard as the party (and the “conservative” media) tried to put the genie back in the bottle, they couldn’t.  In fact, their efforts to demonize Trump – including fair criticism aimed at exposing admittedly disturbing inconsistencies in his political background – fell flat.

Not because they didn’t have a point … but because they have lost all credibility.

Don’t get us wrong: We are not ignorant as to Donald Trump’s past pronouncements on a wide range of issues – nor are we blind as to how those pronouncements run contrary to many of the ideals he is advancing today.  Nor are we sold on all of his policies – some of which strain constitutionality as well as credulity.  On the bread and butter issues that matter to us, he could certainly have dug a lot deeper on his tax plan – and we have very real questions regarding his commitment to the first fundamental American liberty (a.k.a. the right to life).

In other words Trump is nowhere near the “perfect” candidate for us – and truth be told he’s nowhere near as neatly aligned with our ideological moorings as Ron Paul was four years ago.

In fact had Rand Paul decided to follow in his father’s footsteps and seize the populist ground Trump has taken as his own … we’d probably be endorsing his campaign right now.  And had he done that, we’d probably be a bit more comfortable in assigning our imprimatur.

But Paul didn’t do that.  Instead he swore allegiance to the liberal GOP leadership.  And then proceeded to attack Trump in their name.

And he has the nerve to call Trump a hypocrite?

But this endorsement isn’t necessarily about backing a particular candidate, because let’s be honest: Presidential elections are bigger than that.  This endorsement is about lending our assent to a real movement – a purifying conflagration whose righteous indignation is rooted in a real struggle, one South Carolinians know far better than most in this country.

Our state’s workforce is small and uneducated.  Our workers make far less than their counterparts.  Our people are less healthy … and more prone to being victims of violence.

What has our “Republican” governor Nikki Haley – and her puppet masters in Washington – done to make things better?

Nothing … except demand that we pay more.

Bottom line?  The GOP can attack Trump all it wants.  And its minions can attack us for supporting him – just as they attacked us and called us names when we endorsed Rand Paul.  But the real blame lies not with us, but with countless “Republican” politicians at the local, state and national level who have spent years lying to us and taking us for granted.

Reap the whirlwind, “Republicans.”  You’ve earned it.

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228 comments

TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 4:54 pm

I’m shocked! Shocked!

lulz

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Undecided January 26, 2016 at 9:07 pm

I’m really curious about this Trump guy. I’ll make up my mind at the next GOP debate.

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TroubleBaby January 27, 2016 at 9:56 am

Based on the polls for GOP voters currently, your vote doesn’t really matter anyway- so I wouldn’t worry yourself over it.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:07 pm Reply
Great job! January 26, 2016 at 5:08 pm

LoL. Trump supports…

Abortion
Late term abortion
Universal healthcare
‘Assault rifle’ ban
Raising Taxes
Immigration reform and foreign labor at his resorts
Bill Clinton
Barak Obama
Hillary Clinton

FitsNews helping the DNC and the progressive agenda……er, I mean libertarianism.
What a joke.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:10 pm

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary! Vote for Bernie instead!

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 5:14 pm

i like what Bernie stands for but i think the republican congress will do to him what they did to Obama, i’m voting for the Bitch i think she knows how to get down and dirty with those cockroaches.

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sheepslaughter January 27, 2016 at 3:32 am

how’s he gonna pay for all that free shit dumbass. your stuck with those student loans . enjoy payin em’ back till your dead . suckers

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fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 8:34 am

Taxes, mostly on the rich. You can read his health care plan that creates Medicare for all, although it is questionable if he has the costs nailed down well enough, the figures he pulled on raising tax revenue should be pretty solid, and a lot of that comes from the rich.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:14 pm

PHILLIPS: Health care?

Mr. TRUMP: [I’m] liberal on health care, we have to take care of people that are sick.

PHILLIPS: Universal health coverage?

Mr. TRUMP: I like universal, we have to take care, there’s nothing
else. What’s the country all about if we’re not going to take care of
our sick?

PHILLIPS: Abortion?

Mr. TRUMP: I hate the concept of abortion. I hate anything about
abortion, and yet, I’m totally for choice. I think you have no
alternative.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:37 pm

I am Rocky and having a blast!

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HD January 26, 2016 at 5:09 pm

And…another check clears.

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RNC for Trump January 26, 2016 at 5:10 pm

I think we’re getting a pretty good return on those checks.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:19 pm

The RNC hates Trump, nice try. When Trump twists the knife by sabotaging the party you will realize that.

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RNC for Trump January 26, 2016 at 5:21 pm

Nah, we’ve come to accept his dominance like a battered spouse. Sort of like one of Trump’s imported wives.

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9" January 26, 2016 at 5:27 pm

Have you seen Jeb’s? She’s a midget porn star;)

Mike at the Beach January 26, 2016 at 6:56 pm

Policy positions notwithstanding, you WISH you could import wives like Trump does… ;-)

Rocky Verdad January 27, 2016 at 6:58 am

Maybe we do!

southmauldin January 26, 2016 at 11:38 pm

At least Will and Taylor will get another ride on Trump’s plane when it comes back to SC.

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Rocky Verdad January 27, 2016 at 6:59 am

Unfortunately for Taylor the plane ride will be it. Some parts of the Trump-bot don’t work anymore.

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Hillary Clinton January 26, 2016 at 5:09 pm

Thank you for all of your help this election cycle, FitsNews.
The check is in the mail.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:12 pm

“If I were to run, I’d run as Republican. They are the dumbest group of
voters in the country. They believe everything on Fox News. I could lie
and they’d still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.” People Magazine, 1998

He’s not wrong you know!

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TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 5:14 pm

lol…dude, don’t make me snopes you down the road again:

http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:15 pm

I’m just being flip, sorry! LMAO!!!

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Crazy Train January 26, 2016 at 5:19 pm

Let’s see. Trump has been endorsed by..

KKK
National Front Nazis
Kim Jung Un
Sarah Palin
Dennis Rodman
ISIS
and now FitsNews.

Nice crowd you guys have there.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:20 pm

Don’t forget my deranged, psychotic impersonator. Wow, what a dirty laundry list!

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Crazy Train January 26, 2016 at 5:23 pm

Sorry. Should have included the old white, racist, unemployed, poorly educated, internet commenter endorsement. They don’t vote so, who cares?

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Squishy123 January 26, 2016 at 6:53 pm

Whereas Hillary has been endorsed by:
The Clinton Foundation
The National Pantsuit Museum
#BLM
Hollywood
Kaitlyn Jenner
Occupy Movement

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:36 pm

Easy.Rocky wants me to to have the ‘operation’ and I love pink dresses.

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Denozitall January 27, 2016 at 2:51 am

Don’t forget all lying murderers who ever got away with it.And, all the people who ever deleted emails before responding to FOIA requests or something like that. Those clubs. Just sayin’.

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

I think Putin likes him, too.

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Be fair January 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm

Rodman scholnged Madonna, which puts him and Kim Jung un squarely on your side.

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huh? January 26, 2016 at 5:24 pm

So Fitsnew is endorsing Trump because he is a rabble rouser with wishy washy stances?

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Trump 2016 January 26, 2016 at 5:25 pm

No he is endorsing Trump because he is going to win.

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Hillary Clinton January 26, 2016 at 5:28 pm

Hopefully, he’ll win the primaries!
Don’t forget to vote!

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 5:40 pm

Donald Trump… He’s the one Hillary and the Democrats absolutely want to win!

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huh? January 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm

When was the last time Will picked a winner?

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

Technically Haley won when he endorsed her. Is Haley really a winner though?

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Denozitall January 27, 2016 at 2:46 am

His wife over Nikke Hayley for one.

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The Founders January 27, 2016 at 2:11 pm

What’s wrong with rabble rousing?

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9" January 26, 2016 at 5:25 pm Reply
9" January 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm

You mean there’s a chance this fucking election will someday end? PTL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOuwTXK_GA

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 5:59 pm

So Sheriff Joe is getting ready to endorse Trump in Iowa. I like this tweet – he sets down in Iowa and is all ready to leave.

Joe Arpaio ?@RealSheriffJoe 1h1 hour ago

Just arrived in Iowa, enjoying the snow and the great people of the hawkeye state, can’t wait to get back to Phoenix.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:02 pm

Fiscal conservatism at it’s finest. Just like Trump and his legal pursuits,

As of September 2015, cases involving Arpaio or his office have cost Maricopa County taxpayers $142 million in legal expenses, settlements and court awards

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 6:06 pm

but he makes poor petty offenders lives a living hell, for old white republicans, that is a bargain.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:05 pm

Did Donald work with Joe on the birther nonsense too? Will Joe be investigating Cruz?

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Hank January 26, 2016 at 6:38 pm

Why is this birther nonsense? The Supreme Court has not settled the issue. Being born in Canada is a problem for Cruz. The law is not clear or unsettled, as Cruz would have people believe. This is particularly difficult for a Constitutional Conservative. The drafters of the Constitution would have said he was not eligible to be President because he was not born on US soil.

Cruz claims he is eligible to be president because his mother was a US citizen. At best she held dual citizenship as she was registered to vote in Canada when Cruz was born. If being born to a US citizen was all that was required to be eligible to run for President, surely the drafters of the Constitution would have said so. The Constitution says “No person except a Natural Born Citizen” is eligible to be President of the US. Surely if they intended anyone born to a US Citizen they would have simply said “Any person born to a US citizen is eligible to be President.”

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:44 pm

Which none of that has a damn thing to do with Obama’s citizenship – which Donald had his birther nose all up in too.

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Hank January 26, 2016 at 6:48 pm

I agree. I think Obama proved to all reasonable expectation that he was born on US soil, which I believe means within a state of the US, a US embassy, a US military base, or a US territory.

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Slartibartfast January 26, 2016 at 6:18 pm

Now THERE’S a surprise..

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Jake January 26, 2016 at 6:27 pm

The Establishment has decided elections for us for decades. They set the acceptable parameters of candidates and they decide what behavior is tolerated. In the end, they have created a system that means the establishments whether the Dems or the Reps win.

It is a great set-up for the 1%. Trump is our way to break that system and I am with Donald all the way.

I will evaluate his actions in 4 years and can keep him or dump him.

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Birther in Chief January 26, 2016 at 6:41 pm

Will Trump be doing all the voting in the Senate and House? I’ve yet to see him back up how he can fulfill anything he promises – that he is an amazing winner with great relationships and deal making skills doesn’t cut it.

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Denozitall January 27, 2016 at 2:45 am

I would rather look at his wife and children than listen to Michelle Obama rap anyday. Potato po-Ta-to.

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Bible Thumper January 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm

Shouldn’t you be buying that Uncle Ben’s?

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Clarence Boddicker January 26, 2016 at 6:31 pm

Will you have officially uncucked yourself. Even though you are from Michigan as an officer of the court I declare you an honorary South Carolinian. In this occupied colony if you are on the Trump train we are brothers in arms.

#trainisrunningontime

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Point of Order January 27, 2016 at 10:04 pm

You know, Mussolini promised the trains would run on time too.

Btw, I thought only his wife hailed from Michigan…

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:46 pm

The chickenshit won’t go on Fox because of Megyn and widdle feelings are hurt. And he is going to face down world dictators?

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TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 6:49 pm

I actually think it’s a brilliant move myself…he’s up huge and it’s more of a risk to show up than it is to coast to the finish line.

It’s going to piss a lot of people off, but strategically it’s the right move.

Of course, watching him shit on Fox news is as enjoyable as watching him shit on career pols, but I’m sadistic that way.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:59 pm

Yes, in that the media will constantly talk about him not showing at the debate and his feuding with Fox. Sure he thought that out – but I also think it has to do with him being thin skinned and being confronted by a woman still stings.

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TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 7:01 pm

“but I also think it has to do with him being thin skinned and being confronted by a woman still stings.”

I agree.

None of my comments are an endorsement or support for Trump btw, I feel compelled to note that now and then.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 7:09 pm

I’ll still watch it. The rest of them will be fighting among themselves and possibly something of substance might be debated. Whatever Trump holds in Iowa will be more of the same – how great he is and his poll numbers.

Tom January 26, 2016 at 7:59 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz without Trump.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:39 pm

So what.Rocky told me to meet him at the Thunderbird in Florence for some 9″ action.

Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 7:19 pm

Since there is an empty slot, will Rand be allowed on stage?

TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 7:22 pm

He was confirmed to be in the debate right before The Donald made his announcement.

Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 7:30 pm

Thanks. Just spotted an article saying Carly was bumped to the undercard and Rand was taking her spot. I do not understand why the Gilmore guy is still in it. Huckabee for exposure to sell more crap after it is over and I think Carly is vying for a position in a GOP administration or conservative media darling.

Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 7:19 pm

Since there is an empty slot, will Rand be allowed on stage?

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:38 pm

Does it bother you that I have to register?

Tom January 26, 2016 at 6:52 pm

Actually Trump appeared on Fox on January 21. He was interviewed by Sean Hannity. I think he is scheduled again sometime this week.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 6:54 pm

He is talking about the debate. Megyn is a moderator.

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Tom January 26, 2016 at 7:08 pm

I am as far from a Trump supporter as you can get, but I watched the first debate and I agree that Fox targeted Trump and attempted to take him out. Fox is the propaganda wing of the RNC and the RNC wanted Trump out of the race. Kelly, was the designated hit woman. Realizing the RNC is losing the battle Fox now wants to interview Trump with regularity.

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Another oddball endorsement January 26, 2016 at 7:11 pm

Yes, it was very obvious they told Megyn to take him out. Yet, if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen, so I guess he is.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:34 pm

Megan needs a real submissve man like me that takes it in the ass.Rocky and I made some great movies this weekend.

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

They did target Trump.Trump is making them all look like fools as the American people are going to vote for him.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:32 pm

Bernie won’t face down the world diCK tators (I love that word).He will surrender on day one for gay utopia.

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 9:50 am

It’s not about Megyn Kelly. She just happens to be the one in the way. This is about Rupert Murdoch and his globalist, establishment advocacy. Trump poses a direct threat to that and Muroch is subtly pushing for Fox to find a way to take Trump down. Trump knows it. It has come out since the last Fox debate in November, that Bret Baier even had a plan to possibly get Trump escorted off the stage is he didn’t play by their “rules”. Say what you want, but there is no benefit to Trump going into another one of their possible traps. You really think he would something like this less than a week before Iowa if it had any benefit? Not a chance.

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Barry Goldwater's Ghost January 26, 2016 at 7:07 pm

Disappointing. You have fallen for a huckster. Trump is an entertainer, period. He has no core ideology, except for whatever is good for Trump. He is a combination of PT Barnum, Father Coughlin, Joe McCarthy and Huey Long. Your taxes are not coming down under Trump. Government will get bigger. The economy will not improve. His protectionism is short sighted and falls squarely on the backs of American consumers. His nativism is embarrassingly stupid. His religious pronouncements are utterly insincere and patronizing. His foreign policy seems like it was made up by a 12 year old. He is a classless, tasteless philandering boor who insults his own supporters. “I am so popular, I could shoot someone on 5th avenue and they would still vote for me.” Fuck you, you arrogant fat cat pseudo-capitalist degenerate egomaniacal ass. (Sadly, he is probably right about shooting someone and getting away with it.) All of which means he will win SC by a landslide. Sickening.

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Hank January 26, 2016 at 7:10 pm

So I take it you are an establishment guy. Rubio or Bush?

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:31 pm

Bernie is my guy and i want him in my Bush.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm

Yep.He wants some more of Obama.

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Bible Thumper January 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

Very well said.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm

I still think your cute.

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm

Good analysis.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:19 pm

LMAO!!! Our resident prognosticator on losing political campaigns speaks.Sorry vicupstate.

I am rooting for Fits with Trump after the Tom Ervin/T-Rav debacles.

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Manray9 January 26, 2016 at 9:23 pm

Barry’s Ghost: How can you be disappointed? Unless you were expecting all of this to make sense? Forget it. This is the Republican Party of 2016, nothing makes sense and the facts are irrelevant. In SC, last time around it was the morally-bankrupt Newt Gingrich, now it’s the morally-bankrupt Donald Trump. Both paragons of the “Values” party.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:28 pm

8 years of an American hating Muslim and radical Islamic sympathizer makes strange bedfellows for the American voters.

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Manray9 January 26, 2016 at 9:32 pm

You need to trot on down to the supermarket for some Reynold’s Wrap. Your tinfoil hat needs reinforcement.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 9:58 pm

Obama and Bernie think America is already great unlike that treasonous moron Trump.

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What? January 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

They are morons for thinking America is still great.

Unending wars, unlimited detention, unpayable debt, & decreasing competitiveness in business and education.

By any sane metric, America is faltering.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:11 pm

Will Trump stop any of that? Nope.

What? January 27, 2016 at 10:18 pm

So what? I never claimed he would. You said Obama and Bernie think America is great, and it’s clearly not.

TroubleBaby January 28, 2016 at 8:50 am

“Will Trump stop any of that?”

I actually think there’s an outside chance he might stop a war or two.

I could be wrong, but he does spout some non-interventionism from time to time despite his “rebuild the military” rhetoric.

Denozitall January 27, 2016 at 2:38 am

Duhhhh, can you say Nikki Hayley?? She just shows how stupid SC Is…and anyone is surprised by Trump? Look who is the governor!

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 9:57 pm

For a look inside your fancy private jet and possibly an undisclosed sum you too can get an endorsement!

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sparklecity January 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm

What would have happened if Trump had said, “I can rape a woman/molest a child on 5th Avenue and they would still vote for me”…
Something tells me that those same dumb-assed minions of Trump would still loudly laugh and cheer him on and no one in the “media” (including FITSNews) would raise holy Hell about saying such evil shit
Something is truly troubling in America…truly disturbing…..
It happened in Italy under Mussolini and its quite possible it could happen here in the United States of America…
And misguided ignorant FITS would be one of the vehicles that made it possible….

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Superfly January 27, 2016 at 9:55 am

He did rape a woman on 5th Avenue, his first wife. She said so, and then was paid off to keep quiet. Kind of like the endorsements from Palin, Falwell Jr., and Arpaio – also purchased.

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sparklecity January 27, 2016 at 10:30 am

I did not know that but from what I’ve researched, he’s paid off and settled out of court a shit load of times let alone welching out on a number of real estate deals……..
I never thought I’d think this but that fucker just might be the Anti-Christ

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:00 am

“Your taxes are not coming down under Trump. Government will get bigger. The economy will not improve.” – Taxes aren’t coming down with any other candidate, nor is gov’t going to shrink. Not sure what your point is in tying this to Trump.

“His protectionism is short sighted and falls squarely on the backs of American consumers.” – It’s not protectionism, it’s anti-globalist trade policy. For instance, China isn’t trying to engage in free trade by forcing Boeing to build a plant there. They are trying to import our R&D and engineering secrets. Once they have a hold of those, they will force Boeing to close down there and will begin building with their own aviation manufacturing and sell with their own undervalued currency, thus undercutting any manufacturing taking place in America. That means jobs will be gone. It has nothing to do with protectionism. I’m against protectionism, per se. This is about keeping our manufacturing here. Will it result in higher prices for luxury goods? Yes. But it will result in lower prices for everyday goods (milk, eggs, veggies, etc.).

“His nativism is embarrassingly stupid.” – No, people constantly referring to his immigration proposals as “nativism” is what’s embarrassingly stupid. Nativism isn’t even a word. It’s just a diversion, an attempt to paint someone into a dark corner over a difference of opinion.

“His religious pronouncements are utterly insincere and patronizing.” – Yeah, I would agree with this. But isn’t it any more insincere or patronizing than Cruz, Bush, or Rubio? Not to mention all past Democrat and Republican presidential candidates. Again, trying to tie this accusation to Trump only is disingenuous.

“His foreign policy seems like it was made up by a 12 year old.” – Geez, don’t be so specific.

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Scooter January 26, 2016 at 7:08 pm

Fits you are right on about mainline Republicans. They tell you one thing, when campaigning, and then kiss Democrats’ ass when elected. Screw the whole bunch. I am not crazy about Trump but will take him over the whitewashed tombs.

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9" January 26, 2016 at 7:46 pm

I just hope everybody’s gonna be alright;Otomo Yoshihide!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KftE_V2BWo

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm

Fuck me darling in my queer ass.

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Torch January 26, 2016 at 7:52 pm

Say it ain’t so.

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 8:29 pm

It is so.Will supports gay marriage and Beastiality will be next for us perverts of society.Rocky has a litter of Chihauahua’s and i can’t wait until they are of age.

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Burn Ronnie's Big Tent January 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm

I don’t know who to vote for. Now they’re saying Cruz will do more damage to the GOP.

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Bible Thumper January 26, 2016 at 8:51 pm

The establishment dislikes Cruz more. They think they can make a deal with Trump. Maybe they can, but it will be a corrupt deal that will do damage to the country. Their are things about Cruz that worry me, but he wants to change the country. Trump just wants to get elected and be popular.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:08 pm

So shallow.What bothers you about Trump? That he loves this country? That he wants to bring jobs back to this country? That he wants to close the border and follow the law? That he is pro-life?

My friend you’re a liberal.You have already said you won’t vote for Trump.That means you support a criminal and communist in the Democrat Party.

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Iowa disagrees January 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

You need to talk to the Iowa Pro-life people. They don’t believe Trump and have sent out a release asking people to vote for any other GOP candidate but Trump.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

Iowa? ha ha ha ! Trump is nominee.If you don’t like it you can blame McCain,Romney,McConnell, Boehner and Ryan.

Iowa disagrees January 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

Read it and weep. List of pro-life Iowans and national leaders that wrote the letter. They also touched on his views of women.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/01/26/major-prolife-leaders-send-message-to-iowa-donald-trump-is-unacceptable-n2110342

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

Trump just got the endorsement of the ‘old’ guard Moral Majority. This election is about illegal immigration and the economy, liberal. Try and catch up.

Iowa disagrees January 26, 2016 at 9:34 pm

Your boy believe in killing babies.
And Cruz got the endorsement of Tony Perkins, President of Family Research Council, another religious right organization.

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:54 pm

I like Cruz and Rubio. Would love to vote for em if they are the nominee.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:08 pm

Trump wants legal abortions and universal health care, Bernie is still better but Trump is a lib at heart.

Bible Thumper January 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm

Fitsnews only used the key word once. He did not use it disparaging either. Populist Nothing is worse.
Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians, socialists, communists, and nationalists all have their faults. Some much worse than others, but in the following aspects they are preferable to the populist.
1. They all believe in something. Populists’ believes nothing. He just agrees with the majority of whatever faction that can give him power.
2. The others seek to lead. A populist’s only goal is to follow public opinion.
3. The other’s whether misguided or not, seek to do what is right. A populist only seeks popularity.
4. The others can keep a steady course. A populist soon baffled by the fickleness of public opinion and shifts with it.
5. The others understand how evil the crowd can become and some may even exploit it, but the populist is bewildered by the evil he can unleash.

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Quietus January 27, 2016 at 8:42 am

Populist – A member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.

So you have a problem with the people picking leaders that represent them, I see.

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Bible Thumper January 27, 2016 at 9:08 am

If you look up communist or nationalist, you will also find benign definitions of those also.

A populist in Germany would have supported the Nazis in the nineteen – thirties, a russian, the pogroms against the jews of the nineteenth century, an American, the slavery of a 200 years ago and the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who have no memory of Mexico.

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The elected elite January 27, 2016 at 10:10 pm

Don’t let him get to you, he’s ok with populism when he’s on the right side of it.

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Monster Megyn January 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm

If I ever need some backup in a brawl I’m calling Megyn Kelly.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

The liberal bitch is getting ready to interview Michael Moore on the 2016 election Says it all.

GO TRUMP!!!!!

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Monster Megyn January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

Trump’s scared of liberal women too?

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:27 pm

Trump just played em like a fiddle. Polls are locked in.He can tell Ailes and Kelly to go to hell.

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 8:59 pm

you sc republicans are so beyond disfuncktion

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:17 pm

Am I the only one that noticed the fact that Will did not once refer to Trump as either a Republican or a “Republican?”

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:20 pm

‘current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump.’

moron

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

That states he is the frontrunner for the party’s nomination. It does not specifically name him as either a “Republican” or a Republican. When Romney was the frontrunner, Will called him a “Republican.”

Too subtle a comment for you, no doubt.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:23 pm

God you are fucking stupid. CURRENT GOP FRONTRUNNER!!!!

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

Ya doesn’t has ta call me God, and that’s no way to talk about the Supreme Being.

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

lol…

Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:33 pm

I can’t endorse that one with an upvote.

I doubt you actually do that sort of thing.

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 10:09 pm

Thanks Boz.You know legally I can’t let that pass.

flip's youngest son January 26, 2016 at 10:20 pm

Oh, Mr. Martin, he really does that sort of thing. My brother and I know this very well. He sits cin the basement all day swilling Carling’s Black Label, eating Fruity Pebbles, tolling fitsnews and tons of kiddie porn sites. Late nights, he drags me to the basement and forces me to act out his sick NAMBLA newsletter fantasies. The cheap fucker won’t even buy lube. He uses crisco.Thank God, his dick is so small that I barely feel it. Now I know what mom puts up with.

J.Smith January 26, 2016 at 10:27 pm

See you in court.My attorney told me it would be just a matter of time before something was posted like this and we could involve the FCC and feds. BYE!

flip's youngest son (D) January 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

Yawn!…….blah, blah, blah……you and D. Fanin, Esq. are absolute idiots. “……involve the FCC and the feds…..lol!!!!!!, rotflmao!!!!. The last time I looked, the Federal Communication Commission is the same as the Feds! Dumbass!

Maybe you should consider getting a new lawyer. Oh, by the way, truth is an affirmative defense.

fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 8:29 am

The way he vigorously defended known incestuous pedophile pervert cheater Josh Duggar it is the only conclusion I can draw.

fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 8:28 am

Your lawyer is an idiot, the FCC does not give a shit about comments on a website. You don’t even know what the FCC even does do you dumbshit?

The kind of shit you’re claiming you’ll be able to do doesn’t get done for frivolous lawsuits, they get done for criminal investigations, and they wouldn’t just share the information with you. If you are going to pretend to talk to a lawyer at least sound like you know what you are talking about.

My lawyer has been hard at work talking to Disqus to see if we can get that IP ban on you.

J.Smith January 27, 2016 at 9:33 am

A defamation suit on will be filed claiming that certain ‘contributors/bloggers’ publicly reflected J.Smith as a pedophile, showing his family in a bad light by posting false and inaccurate statements about the them. A filed the motion to compel Fits News and Disqus to reveal certain ‘contributors/bloggers’ registration information.No worries,you are on the list.Rocky and several others.

FCC is indeed a criminal matter with the criminal allegations of pedophilia by “Electronic contact” meaning any transfer of signs, signals, writings, images, sounds, data, intelligence, or information of any nature transmitted in whole or in part by any device, system, or mechanism including, but not limited to, a wire, radio, computer, electromagnetic, photoelectric, or photo-optical system.

FitsNews and Disqus are not being sued.They will be just be asked to turn over requested registration information in pursuit of the truth.

While I vehemently support free speech and open communication, we believe individuals publishing comments as facts ought to be held to a simple standard of truth in regards to the very serious and criminal allegations of child molestation and pedophilia. I have turned this matter over to our attorney and law enforcement.

Have a good day.I am no longer a contributor on FitsNews.I will miss some of you.

Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:06 am

You said the same thing last time, a couple months ago. Yet you’re back now.

fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 10:37 am

He’s just bluffing, again, trying to bully people that shut his ass down off the site. Well guess what? I’m here, I’m queer, get used to it honey! Flip is here to stay! LMAO!!!!!!

tomstickler January 27, 2016 at 10:12 am

Did your attorney advise you that discovery is a two-way street?

And yes, this is going in my notebook labelled “Exhibit A”.

fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 10:36 am

FCC cares more about unlicensed radio stations and if someone flashes their boobs or says the F-word on national TV. They don’t investigate trolls being trolled on the internet. That’s a bottomless pit and has nothing to be gained from it.

flip's youngest son (D) January 27, 2016 at 6:03 pm

Good bye, you homo pedophile! You won’t be missed during your 3 day sabbatical from this shitty, third rate website.

flip's youngest son (D) January 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm

Please don’t piss him off. He takes it out on me after watching his kiddie porn. Day after day, all he does is troll this website and look at kiddie porn (NAMBLA Gold Card member). After he gets all worked up ranting about “Boz and the Sun News, he shoves a gag ball in my mouth and his dick in my ass.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:06 pm

Ooh my! Junior you have a big mouth! I should know! LMAO!!!

stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 10:11 pm

nobody likes a bragger

flip's youngest son (D) January 26, 2016 at 10:29 pm

I am not bragging…..pleading for help! Flip/Pogo, et.al., is one sick, twisted, bastard. Help!!!!!!!!!

J.Smith January 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

See you in court.You just drug FitsNews into a lawsuit.Trump campaign will love this. BYE!

flip's youngest son (D) January 26, 2016 at 10:25 pm

Oh no, not another lawsuit threat!…….let me guess, a subpoena with my name on it is forthcoming from D. Fanin, Esq., defender of butt hurt trolls everywhere.

euwe max January 26, 2016 at 9:20 pm

All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people.

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TroubleBaby January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

define “great”…do you mean “large” or “good”?

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Herman W. "Buz" Martin January 26, 2016 at 9:31 pm

“YUGE!”
– Donald Trump

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euwe max January 27, 2016 at 3:25 pm

Depends on which side of the money you’re on.

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TroubleBaby January 27, 2016 at 4:23 pm

lol…no, I mean in this instance, your context

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euwe max January 27, 2016 at 10:31 pm

large.

Manray9 January 26, 2016 at 9:39 pm

We live in interesting times. We may be watching the atomization of a major American political party. It could be the 1850s all over again. The Whigs, the second of two national parties in the mid-nineteenth century, fragmented into a Free Soil element who became Republicans, while a significant portion of the party’s adherents embraced Know-Nothingism and a smaller segment took to a Constitutional Unionist path. The result was the end of the Whig Party as an element of American political life. Will we see the same now with the GOP?

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Ed January 27, 2016 at 2:48 am

And yet, you are eerily silent about the current status of the Jackass party, with its top candidates consisting of a felon and a communist, it’s PC and faux racism claims baggage, and a its major legislative and court wins from the past decade that have not been supported by the majority of Americans. So again, what was your point?

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Manray9 January 27, 2016 at 10:32 am

A felon is defined as someone convicted in a court of law of a crime classified as a felony. Who might that be? Communists are Marxists. Social Democracy isn’t Marxism — so who is that? Either you don’t comprehend the meanings of basic words in the English vocabulary or just don’t understand the definitions of particular political ideologies. My point is that we, here in 2016, may be watching the self-destruction of the Republican Party. It isn’t unprecedented in our history. It’s happened before.

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Ed January 27, 2016 at 12:13 pm

Oops, my bad, I should have said “future felon and communist”… but again, who are those two bozos expecting to appeal too? And further, have you bothered to consider the increasing dominance of the GOP in state and local politics in you equation?

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Trump is Smart??? January 26, 2016 at 9:40 pm

Hope that smart, deal maker, Trump can find a different vet group to host his Iowa fundraiser this time.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service revoked the nonprofit status of the veterans benefit organization that hosted and sold tickets to a foreign policy speech by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump aboard a retired U.S. battleship, The Associated Press has learned. The group’s endorsement of Trump at the event also could raise legal problems under campaign finance laws.

Trump’s campaign did not respond to questions from the AP about whether it was aware that the IRS had revoked the nonprofit status of the Veterans for a Strong America, which sold tickets to Trump’s event for up to $1,000 as a fundraiser. The IRS issued its decision Aug. 10, citing the group’s failure to file any tax returns for three consecutive years, according to IRS records reviewed by the AP.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:45 pm

He is pretty damn smart.He defeated the Republican establishment and Fox News.

He reminds me of Mark Sanford when the Republican establishment pulled its money in SC1 and he kicked their ass.

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Trump is Smart??? January 26, 2016 at 9:48 pm

Fox isn’t going out of business. The GOP may be in shambles, but don’t count your chickens until they hatch. The average Fox viewer is in their 70s and they are proven voters.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm

And they are going to vote for Trump.

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nitrat January 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

Rachel Maddow had a story about that a day or two after it happened.
Trump was totally bamboozled by that guy and his non-existent veterans group.
Of course, we would expect Donald to know other con men.

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terrytater January 27, 2016 at 3:26 am

Rachel Maddow ? ha . nobody watches that garbage . good luck peddling that shit

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sparklecity January 28, 2016 at 11:07 pm

I remember when Rachael did the story. She’s a lesbo but a nice lesbo who can make one mean “Old Fashioned” and I’d be honored to sit at her custom bar and have an Old Fashioned anytime she wants to make one.
Nopt to mention when she told Glen Beck to back the fuck off IAVA some years back. She had just retruned from Afghanistan and Beck was accusing IAVA of being a liberal veteran’s group (of which i’m a member and it is APOLITICAL). If Beck had been in the same studio as Rachal she would have whipped his sorry ass right then and there.
I’m no liberal but Rachael’s OK in my book (and Mika Breziniski is my WOMAN!!!!!)
Also,,,,
Did you read that number of veteran’s groups have let the Trump Organization know that they don’t want to be associated with any of his fund raising schemes??
The list includes IAVA, VetsforVoters.org and even Wounded Warriors has stated that they have not been contacted by the Trump Organization and have no plans to accept any money from anyone/anything associated with that lying cowardly SOB Donald Trump
As a veteran myself, I wouldn’t take a cent of that draft-avoiding SOB’s money if he offered it to me personally.

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weezl January 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

Wow, what a surprise…. Your endorsement was bought by Trump months ago. It is well known that you are nothing more than an unprincipled, ethics lacking, racist whore who will sell his soul to the highest bidder, in this case, Donald J. Trump.

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm

Will Folks is a Christian family man with a small business. Get over it.

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

so what? lots of christian family men with a small business are stupid dicks.

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Holy Holy Trump January 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

He sure isn’t voting for a Christian, or at least what I was taught one should be. The man said tonight he has lived a good life and he made up for his affairs by paying for it through charity. The same man who has never prayed for forgiveness because he hasn’t done anything wrong.

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 9:54 pm

and remember trump is a dick

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rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:55 pm

Republicans can’t lose.Trump,Cruz or Rubio.

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stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 9:56 pm

no, america will reject them all

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:57 pm

Obama ensured victory for the Republicans.

stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 9:58 pm

only in your little pathetic mind

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 9:59 pm

I didn’t insult you faggot.

stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

you insult me by being a voter

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

I vote more times than you.

stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 10:04 pm

you see that is why i am insulted, having to be in the same country and you having the same power of a vote, “i vote more times than you” what kind of stupid shit reply is that?

rockyverdadwelfaretaxcheat January 26, 2016 at 10:05 pm

A shit reply to a shit ass human being.

stumpknocker January 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

yes a shit reply, but has nothing to do with what kind of human being i am, it is all about your being stupid, don’t worry though, your stupid friends will pat you on the back and call you a rocket scientist.

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:10 pm

You tell him stump!

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:02 pm

Sanford, Haley, Ravenel, he loves his cheaters…

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weezl January 26, 2016 at 9:59 pm

Yeah, just like you are fucking pedophile, worthless scumbag with Christian values and no job.

Get over that, asshole!

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flip's youngest son January 26, 2016 at 11:00 pm

Wow…..flip/pogo or whatever he is going by these days has deleted yet another disqus account. Newsflash, we know who you are, dumbass.

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J.Smith January 26, 2016 at 11:13 pm

If you don’t, you soon Will. Just spoke with my attorney and he has read the comments tonight.

He will be filing a defamation suit in Lexington County,South Carolina on my behalf claiming certain FitsNews contributors publicly reflected J.Smith in a bad light by posting false and inaccurate statements about him and his family. The motion Will be filed to compel Fits News to reveal contributors registration information.

tomstickler January 26, 2016 at 11:16 pm

We can hardly wait.

J.Smith January 26, 2016 at 11:52 pm

Not worried bout you.Gonna start here:

fl ? p What? • 2 hours ago

Will Trump stop any of that? Nope.
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Rocky Verdad Guest • 11 hours ago

Hi Flip. Nope, wins the nomination and Hillary carries all states but Alaska.

‘Nope’?

Rocky Verdad January 27, 2016 at 11:22 am

“Nope, wins the nomination and Hillary…….”

Oh the horror. The defamation.

fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 2:04 pm

You said Nope? Holy shit you are so sued. I’m going to get eleventy billion dollars from you so I don’t have to get a job! LMAO!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Rocky Verdad January 27, 2016 at 7:03 am

Lexington County – that pretty much gives away your identity again. Think man, think!!!!!!!!

flip's youngest son (D) January 27, 2016 at 5:57 pm

Ha! I hope you didn’t give D. Fanin, Esq. a hefty retainer. Based on the shit poor advice you are getting, he owes you a refund.

Good luck finding me, fuckface!

fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:02 pm

He endorsed T-Rav until T-Rav… did what T-Rav does best.

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nitrat January 26, 2016 at 10:09 pm

‘Nother one of those photos of Donald where he’s all bloat up.
If I thought enough of someone to endorse them, I would pick a flattering pic of them to run when I did it.

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Temper Tantrum Trump January 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

I wouldn’t even talk to Murdoch if I wasn’t showing up.

Gabriel ShermanVerified account ?@gabrielsherman 44m44 minutes ago

Trump source says Trump isn’t taking Ailes calls. Hannity just tried calling trump as an emissary. Trump only wants to deal with Murdoch now

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fl ? p January 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

Ailes, you’re fired! LMAO!!!

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nitrat January 26, 2016 at 10:23 pm

I’m convinced Murdoch engineered all this. Have you seen the stories that Murdoch has taken to showing up at all of Ailes’ staff meetings and walker-bound Ailes is not even around much?

Murdoch came to this country to own a president like he has owned almost every UK PM going back to Thatcher. Instead, Nixon acolyte Roger Ailes has taken the national Republican Party, his means to that end, over the cliff this election cycle.

BTW, the outlaw Bundy brothers are captured, per MSNBC and The Oregonian.

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Rolling Stone January 26, 2016 at 10:26 pm

I’m still shocked that Murdoch is marrying Jerry Hall.

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:04 am

Captured?? Seriously??? They weren’t on the run. They can’t be captured.

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idcydm January 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

Are you going to run a thread on the next Fox debate or not?

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tomstickler January 26, 2016 at 11:21 pm

The Bundy Boys have been arrested, another shot dead, others also arrested, including Pete Santilli, crackpot radio shouter.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/26/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-arrested-and-one-confirmed-dead-after-shootout?CMP=fb_us

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fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 8:36 am

Wasn’t the guy who got shot dead the one that was living off government checks for his foster kids, who he also used for cheap labor?

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:03 am

Ummm….no.

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fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 2:01 pm

He wasn’t paid by government, he was paid by charities, but yes, he did get foster kids to live off the income for it, and yes, he had them work.

“That was my main source of income,” Finicum said. “My ranch, well, the
cows just cover the costs of the ranch. If this means rice and beans for
the next few years, so be it. We’re going to stay the course.”

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:03 am

You’re celebrating that? They have been nothing but peaceful. No rowdiness, not physical threats, nothing. The feds just, without warrant, decided they wanted to put down their opposition and rounded up/shot as the protesters were on their way to a meeting.

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tomstickler January 27, 2016 at 10:08 am

Does my post look like celebrating? It was intended — and rational actors would perceive it — as informative.

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Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 10:38 am

Maybe. You didn’t really give your take, just randomly threw out a news story and ended with “crackpot radio shouter”. That would imply an intention — and rational people would perceive it — to show some sort of glee at what took place. Maybe “celebrating” was a bit strong, but I don’t think anybody on here is merely “informative”.

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Mark January 27, 2016 at 1:57 pm

I take no pleasure in anyone dying for any reason, but if this had been anti-gun nuts occupying a gun shop or blocking access to a gun show, or a black guy barricading himself in a convenience store you guys would have insisted they be taken away by force a long time ago and if they were killed in the process it would have just been their own fault, for not obeying law enforcement.

Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 2:35 pm

Yeah, I knew this response would be coming eventually. It’s a cool hypothetical and clever attempt to find equivalency/hyprocrisy, but it fails in numerous aspects. First of all, the protesters aren’t “occupying” anything nor are they “blocking access” to anything. That’s just a lie that keeps getting repeated. The use of the term “occupation” to describe their gathering at the federal building is being used very loosely. It’s merely that: a gathering. One to petition the gov’t officials there to address their grievances. These aren’t a bunch of menaces refusing employees entry/exit and preventing them from doing their job. That’s most likely what anti-gun nuts would be doing in front of a gun shop or gun show, and they would likely be doing so in a menacing fashion by yelling and shouting down and spouting a bunch of propaganda. Trust me, if any of those people were to be rounded up and anyone shot dead by law enforcement, there would be mass chaos and non-stop media coverage slanted towards prosecution of law enforcement. You haven’t heard a peep about the federal officials possibly being the aggressors in this in Oregon, even though they clearly were and despite the fact that these protesters have yet to show any sort of propensity for violence.

Not sure why you decided to bring some hypothetical about “a black guy barricading himself in a convenience store”. Are you in favor of someone barricading themselves into a convenience store and impinging on the business owner’s/customer’s freedoms? You make no sense bringing it up. If anybody wants to peacefully protest on public property and do so without impinging on anyone else’s freedom of movement, they should not be arrested for any reason. In fact, other than this case in Oregon, no one ever has. You can’t point to one example where someone was truly protesting peacefully and in a legal fashion that has ever been arrested. You have people all over the country stopping traffic on major highways and bridges, with the law enforcement showing remarkable restraint and giving tons of leeway, yet you have a rounding up of people and a shoot out when a protesting is the move to one of their private meeting places. There is simply no comparison here. You are grasping at some unbelievably small straws. This is not to mention the fact that these Oregon protesters are actually protesting a legitimate abuse of gov’t power in the case of the Hammonds.

Mark January 27, 2016 at 3:03 pm

I will read more, but I seriously doubt that this guy was shot without having resisted arrest. I think the media would report that if it were the case. No one has claimed they were unarmed and surrendered peacefully.

There was no shortage of people calling on Nikki to remove the Occupy Wall Street group from the State House Grounds by force. There was no shortage of people calling on the City of NY to remove them from the parks.

I will keep an open mind, but the report I read said the Hammond family was not seeking the support of this group and wanted nothing to do with this group. As for not being threatening. The group would not say how many people were with them, only that they were armed, would defend themselves and that divulging numbers would jeopardize “operational security”.

There was a January 4 article on CNN that seemed very balanced to me. It set out the position of the all sides. But it did say they had taken over a building in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 3:26 pm

Really? The media would report it if he had resisted arrest? No, my friend, they would most definitely have reported if HE DID. They won’t say it peep about it if he truly didn’t. That wouldn’t fit the narrative. There have no reports about any sort of struggle at all. Not that it would be a surprise, because the federal law enforcement officers have no standing probable cause for any sort of detainment, therefore it wouldn’t be surprising if one or two of the members took exception to this, but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that that happened at this point.

You are reaching in bringing up the Occupy stuff. What you are talking about is citizens asking for those people to be removed. They were not removed or harassed by law enforcement at all, despite the fact that residents were making the calls based on the fact that the Occupy crowd were a bunch of menaces. The behavior contrast between the ranch protesters and the Occupy is stark. There really is no comparison.

Early on before the Bundy-led people arrived, the Hammond family was threatened by federal officials not to embrace them, lest they jeopardize their case and risk further punishment. With everything they had to endure up to that point, they weren’t going to stick their necks to embrace a group that would likely cause them further trouble.

The only people that have been threatening property around public areas and buildings have been FBI officials. These undercover FBI officials were caught posing as “militants” to scare the residents and the 30 year fire chief lost his job over exposing them. These are nothing more than scare tactics that federal officials are using to paint a picture of the protesters that can’t be painted by pointing to behavior that actual protesters are engaging in. http://katu.com/news/local/harney-county-fire-chief-resigns-sides-with-armed-protesters

Mark January 27, 2016 at 3:58 pm

In Columbia:

“On. Nov. 16, Haley said that protesters could not stay on the grounds after 6 p.m. That evening, 19 people were arrested after refusing to obey the curfew.”

In New York

“A surprise police raid on Zuccotti Park began at about 1 a.m. Tuesday. Officers not only removed the protesters who had camped there for almost two months, but they also removed their tents, tarps and belongings. As the morning unfolded, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended the decision to clear the park.”

How is that ” not removed or harassed by law enforcement at all.” As I recall there were cheers from right in both incidences.

So I have to ask, did the Bundy group take control and occupy a federal building? Because the article I read said they did and that the occupiers turned the refuge into their own — changing the sign in the front and tearing down a fence they claimed harmed the livelihood of a rancher. How is that peaceful occupation of public property?

As for the press not reporting, CNN reports that Bundy said they were cooperating and the FBI said everyone obeyed orders to surrender except LeVoy Finicum. I believe Finicum had said publiclhe would not be taken to prison and that it would be a mistake for anyone to point a gun at him.

Daniel Boome January 27, 2016 at 4:50 pm

Again, I’m not sure what your point is. You have been trying to make the argument that there would be a more severe response to Occupy people in the same situation. I can’t see how you are showing either the circumstances or responses to be the same. You had the occupy people being arrested for curfew violations and harassment. Despite that, they ultimately won a lawsuit over those arrests, so there certainly isn’t any sort coordinated effort to disenfranchise them. The Zucotti Park incident was due to the fact that nobody who had previously reserved the park could use it any longer. It may have been public property, but there was still a queue and fee for use, thus their removal which was ordered by liberal mayor Bloomberg. Regardless, nothing about these incidences compare to Oregon.

Based on the lies of federal officials so far, I don’t believe anything I have heard reported about the Oregon protester actions, nor can I trust who is and isn’t a real protester. There is too much story control and deception going on. There has been for the last decade regarding the Hammond’s.

This doesn’t nobody in that protest group hasn’t done anything wrong, but I don’t think there has been anything major or that it’s comparable to any other real or hypothetical situation. That has been my only point. I don’t want to get lost in a rabbit hole of minor details.

Mark January 27, 2016 at 5:43 pm

I am not making that point at all. Are you a member of some kind of militia group; because your points seem nonsensical to me? Your argument the FBI had no probable cause to arrest these people is BS. These people took up arms, occupied a federal building, and threaten to shoot people who tried to remove them. This would be no different than occupying the Washington Monument, or any of the federal museums on the Mall in Washington and threatening to shoot anyone who tried to make you leave.
These people have broken numerous laws including a law against possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities; a law against willful property destruction at protected sanctuary and a law against “willfully and maliciously” destroying property on federal lands. These laws carry stiff fines and long prison terms.

There is more than enough probable cause to arrest any of these people. And that is not just from the FBI. This is not a peaceful unarmed protest in a park or on the State House Grounds, as was the Occupy Wall Street protest. This is seizing public buildings and land, destroying public property, and yes; despite what you think excluding public employees and others from the property.
Can you imagine what Haley would have done if those OWS people had been carrying rifles and threatening to shoot state law enforcement if they were approached.

Further, even if you truly believe that these people have been peacefully sitting outside of all the refuge buildings on blankets, singing com by ya, and respecting public property, your probable cause argument fails. That is an issue for a grand jury. Just because you do not believe the police or FBI have probable cause to arrest you does not give you the right to resist arrest. You simply must comply and argue your case in court. As I believe you have pointed out, resisting arrest gets you killed.

Wrong January 27, 2016 at 9:31 pm

“I will read more, but I seriously doubt that this guy was shot without having resisted arrest.”

Think again brah:

http://www.targetliberty.com/2016/01/lessons-from-oregon-standoff-arrests.html

“Victoria Sharp, who was in the car with Finicum when the group were
pulled over by cops and federal agents. Sharp claims that Finicum put
his hands out of the car window and asked the police to allow the women
to leave the car. “They shot at him, but they missed him,” said Sharp,
adding that the group then attempted to drive away in the car but were
shot at again by police. “When we crashed and stopped for a second, he
got out of the car, he had his hands in the air, he’s like ‘just shoot
me then’….and they did, they shot him dead,” said Sharp. “He was just
walking, with his hands in the air, I swear to God, and they shot him
dead and after he was down on the ground, shot him three more times,”

Tom January 28, 2016 at 7:32 pm

Well that is certainly an unbiased report. I think I will wait and see what the investigation reveals.

rockylovesflipfaggotsuglydog January 27, 2016 at 6:37 pm

You’re a fucking,low life idiot.Put that in your notebook stalker.What fucking lunatic stalks a blogger on a blog documenting and taking screenshots/pdf of their comments 24/7.

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Paco Sanchez January 26, 2016 at 11:44 pm

Bullshit. You “endorse ” him because he let you on his plane. You’very been giving him virtual blow jobs ever sense.

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el segundo January 27, 2016 at 3:38 am

its since you dumb fuckin wetback

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Allen Olson January 27, 2016 at 5:28 am

Good article Will, I agree 100%, would this be a good place for me to admit I was wrong thinking I could work with GOP to address my concerns the last 4 years? You where right all along.

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mamatiger92 January 27, 2016 at 8:21 am

Good choice. The man can’t even keep his cool with a reporter. Seems like the perfect choice to lead the free world.

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fl ? p January 27, 2016 at 8:24 am

Maybe he is like the pied piper leading all the hateful bigoted rats off a cliff somewhere. I can always hope at least…

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Debbie January 27, 2016 at 8:54 am

No more “Establishment”, “Ruling Class”, “Dynasties”, or “elitists”, what has it gotten us :
19 trillion in debt
many wealthy career politicians, at the taxpayers expense
exempting themselves from the laws the rest of us have to live by
golden retirements at our expense
better health care than the workers
Our Veterans literally thrown away, after defending this Country
a poorer middle class and much poorer working class
political correctness
failing infrastructure
failing schools
No MORE CLINTONS, BUSHES, WILSONS, RAVENELS, HARRELLS, QUINNS, ECKSTROMS, PEELERS, METTS, LEATHERMANS, MARTINS, SMITHS, ETC!
NO MORE INCUMBENTS!!! TERM LIMITS FOR ALL!!!

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mamatiger92 January 27, 2016 at 9:50 am

You think Trump isn’t a member of the “Ruling Class”? Not “Elitist”?
Bless your heart.

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jack's frontal lobotomy January 27, 2016 at 9:43 am

I’m this close to saying fuck it, let him win. At least that way I can sit back and watch him govern exactly like Obama all jacked up on Mountain Dew.

Because that’s exactly where he is heading. He already tipped his hat just a bit yesterday proclaiming that he cannot wait to make deals with Pelosi and Schumer.

If it wasn’t so serious, I would be willing to sit back and watch it all fall on your heads and drink your tears after.

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mamatiger92 January 27, 2016 at 9:51 am

LMAO @ Obama jacked up on Mountain Dew. Definitely stealing that one.

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Jack's jack off hand January 27, 2016 at 9:59 am

“If it wasn’t so serious, I would be willing to sit back and watch it all fall on your heads and drink your tears after.”

So what are you going to do instead of “sit back”?

I’ll tell you what you’re going to do, nothing- that’s what. Nothing substantive that is. Except for some mental masturbation here and among your friends, you’ve virtually zero ‘power’.

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gunjit January 27, 2016 at 9:58 am

But who will our governor endorse, not that it matters to anyone? Now that the media considers her a bimbo.

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GaryJR January 27, 2016 at 1:20 pm

Finally backing a winner.

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rockylovesflipfaggotsuglydog January 27, 2016 at 6:30 pm

After backing Elizabeth Colbert-Busch,Tom Ervin and T-Rav you have to believe every blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

Or as Opal Fleener from the movie Hoosiers said: Sun don’t shine on the same dog’s ass everyday, but, mister you ain’t seen a ray of light since you got here. :)

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