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Last Days Of The Rebel Banner

INSIDE THE DEBATE TO TAKE DOWN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IN SOUTH CAROLINA || By FITSNEWS || Barring any unforeseen surprises, the Confederate flag will be removed from the grounds of the South Carolina State House this month … perhaps as early as July 18. We’ve written extensively in support of this…

INSIDE THE DEBATE TO TAKE DOWN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IN SOUTH CAROLINA

|| By FITSNEWS || Barring any unforeseen surprises, the Confederate flag will be removed from the grounds of the South Carolina State House this month … perhaps as early as July 18.

We’ve written extensively in support of this action.  And its need to be addressed expeditiously.  And beyond the obvious motivating factor, we’ve also provided some extensive historical context related to this debate (here and here).

To briefly recap: On April 11, 1961 a version of the Confederate flag was hoisted above the S.C. State House at the request of S.C. Rep. John A. May of Aiken, S.C.  The following March, a resolution sponsored by May was passed to keep the flag flying for one more year.  However May’s resolution contained no end date, and so the flag flew from atop the dome (and from within both chambers of the State House) for another four decades until July 1, 2000.  That’s when a bipartisan, biracial compromise took the banner off the dome (and out of the chambers) and hoisted another version of the flag at its current location on the north lawn of the State House.

“Off the dome and in your face,” flag supporters said at the time.

That version of the controversial banner has flown ever since …

Now lawmakers have overwhelmingly agreed to revisit the issue in the aftermath of a horrific, racially motivated church shooting in Charleston, S.C.

How will the process work?

On Monday, July 6 the S.C. State Senate will begin debate on S. 897, legislation sponsored by S.C. Senator Vincent Sheheen and twenty-eight other Senators.

The first section of the bill removes language in current state law that allows the Confederate flag to fly from its current location.

The second section reads as follows …

The South Carolina Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America [the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (General Robert E. Lee’s Army) the South Carolina, Georgia, Florida Department version] shall be permanently removed from its location on the south side of the Confederate Soldier Monument. The South Carolina Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America shall be permanently removed from its location on the Capitol Complex Grounds within twenty-four hours of the effective date of this act. Upon its removal, the flag shall be transported to the Confederate Relic Room for appropriate display. The flagpole on which the flag is flown and the area adjacent to the monument and flagpole must be returned to its previous condition by the Division of General Services.

And the third section of the act reads as follows.

This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.

Obviously S.C. governor Nikki Haley – a one-time flag supporter – has made it clear she would sign such legislation, although sources tell FITS the current version of the bill is likely to be amended so as to include a specific date for the flag to come down.

“I suspect there will be a date certain specified as to when it comes down, as opposed to upon the signature of the governor,” one Senator familiar with the negotiations told us.

According to our sources, the Senate is expected to send the S.C. House a bill no later than July 8 – and the S.C. House is expected to pass it no later than July 10.

But while there are plenty of votes in support of taking the flag down … flag supporters aren’t going away quietly.

For example staunch flag supporter Lee Bright – a State Senator from Spartanburg, S.C. – has vowed to introduce multiple amendments to Sheheen’s bill.  Among them?  A requirement for the flag’s removal to be subject to a statewide referendum of voters.

Another S.C. Senator – John Courson – has reportedly told his colleagues he plans to introduce an amendment to replace the Confederate flag with the Bonnie Blue Flag, which was the banner flown by Confederate forces during the Battle of Fort Sumter.  Another rumored Courson amendment would fly the South Carolina state flag from the Confederate flag’s current location and “some other flag” on Confederate Memorial Day.

That’s right … Confederate Memorial Day is a paid holiday for state workers in South Carolina.

Courson, incidentally, is one of the leading legislators affiliated with “The Quinndom,” the political consulting empire of neo-Confederate leader Richard Quinn, Sr.

Meanwhile over in the S.C. House of Representatives, multiple lawmakers – including several affiliated with “The Quinndom” – are reportedly preparing amendments in anticipation of Sheheen’s bill arriving in their chamber.

Could any of these proposed modifications derail the flag’s timely removal?

Possibly …

The root issue? Those who support the flag don’t want to see it go without some concessions made … while those who want the banner gone are in no mood to make any such concessions.  This could lead to a potentially combustible environment – and a recently announced Ku Klux Klan rally, alleged threats against lawmakers and robo-calls attacking flag opponents have made members of the S.C. General Assembly exceedingly nervous.

Our advice to them?

Don’t get cute with “compromises.”  Get the flag down.  Get it down quickly.  Then move on to the larger issues facing this state … issues which have been neglected for decades (holding white and black citizens back).

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137 comments

truthmonger July 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm

Yeah, those “threats against lawmakers”…. people calling up and telling the lawmaker that what they choose to do about the flag will affect the reelection voting. Geeze, one upstate lawmaker even ADMITTED that the “threats” he received were about getting votes for reelection, and weren’t threats of physical violence. How DARE the masses threaten to vote for another candidate!!! Call SLED!!!!

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CorruptionInColumbia July 3, 2015 at 2:19 pm

About like those idiots who call because somebody “looked at me” while they were grocery shopping and demand a police report “in case something happens”. Idiots rule the world.

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Ernesto July 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm

Take the flag of treason down and then remove Tillmann’s state. Get into the 21st century and then support higher education, gay and secular rights.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm

That’s funny.

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ErnestO July 3, 2015 at 1:45 pm

Those days are over – no mas – we are staying and changing.
Go back in your tailor and listen to Limbaugh reruns –

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 2:27 pm

Tell that to the electorate, seems to me the country is voting in more Republicans than Democrats nationwide.

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soxinsc July 3, 2015 at 3:32 pm

There’s this thing called gerrymandering that drives this. Watch what happens in Arizona in 2016 now that they’ve taken the duties of drawing legislative districts out of the hands of the politicians.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:08 pm

Your post sickitates Jim Clyburn.

Terry July 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm

More people voted for Democrats in the last election than voted for Republicans. Maybe one day when the make up of the Congress reflects the actual vote, we can have real improvement in this country.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:07 pm

Must be why the Democrats won all those Senate, House and Governor seats last election. You play by the rules given, you don’t stop and change them when you’re losing.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:20 pm

I blame Bush.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm


Confederate Memorial Day is a paid holiday for state workers in South Carolina.”

So’s Martin Luther King Day, a day dedicated to a plagiarizing, questionable doctorate degree holder with a woman in every city. If he hadn’t gotten shot people under the age of 65 wouldn’t know his name.

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Ernesto July 3, 2015 at 1:46 pm

We will get rid of Confederate Memorial Day next hombre

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Bill July 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm

try “gringo”, it will raise his blood pressure more.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 2:26 pm

I prefer “wetback” or “spic” even though I’m not a cholo.

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SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:46 am

You’re just a racist asshole – that’s all.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 2:25 pm

Fine with me, the state could go back to a floating holiday which would please most state employees.

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sandlapper July 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm

If you like your white heritage you can keep your white heritage.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 1:38 pm

Is this what Obama is saying?

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harrietfordypa July 3, 2015 at 5:23 pm

???(*&*#$%#???(*&*

< I saw the bank draft saying $5756 @mk11

UUU

FIND OutFIND Out

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm

Our advice to them?

Don’t get cute with “compromises.”

Would have been good advice for the pro-flag contingent in 2000.

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Billy July 3, 2015 at 1:50 pm

Tillmann statue next – that racist SOB was one of the most vial and disgusting American

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 2:24 pm

What’s after that, MLK statue? His following has held the majority of black people down for decades.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:05 pm

equal time – put MLK quotes on his statue.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:14 pm

Does that mean we’ll put Tillman’s quotes on the MLK statue in Washington?

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm

As a nation, I don’t think we’re ready for institutionalized sarcasm.

Jack July 3, 2015 at 4:53 pm

As I think someone else offered. Leave his statues up, and leave his name on Tillman Hall, but put his quotes on the base of his statue and over the main entrance to Tillman Hall. I think we can all agree that is fair.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm

Shit Will! While you were on vacay did you attend a Geraldo “How To Beat A Point To Death And Act Like A Whiney, Hyper, Bitch While Doing It”, seminar? If so, Geraldo gave you your money’s worth.

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CNSYD July 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm

He did say “extensively” which is Folks speak for ad nausem .

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 2:33 pm

Funny Will doesn’t state what those next steps are, you know the ones who he said are holding white and blacks back. It sounds like this flag is holding us all back. I can’t wait to see the immediate advancements in the black community starting the day after the flag is removed. I’m sure the construction companies who build prisons are fearing having to file for bankruptcy, DSS employees fearing layoffs, etc…

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Obsessed w/ an irrelevant flag July 3, 2015 at 2:39 pm

The question is:

When the flag comes down:

will you begin taking care of (and legitimizing though marriage) your children;
will all the jobs lost since 2008, come back;
will the outrageous inflation be reversed;
will home prices get back to 2008 value;
will my health insurance premiums get back to 2008 costs, and quality care return;
will gas prices return to sub-$2-a-gallon;
will all the salary declined since 2008 , come back
will all of the greed, evil, corruption and hedonism be disavowed, instead of embraced, by the federal government ?….

Or will removing the flag do nothing to correct the misery its obsessed opponents have rendered?

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Taking a bath won’t pay the bills.

It’ll just make you stink less… and maybe get rid of a louse or two.

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erneba July 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm

I agree with taking the flag down, the quicker the better.
A symbolic bath never relieves anyone of BO or the critters that infest certain regions of your both.
Just be careful with expectations.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm

symbolic bath

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Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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erneba July 3, 2015 at 4:27 pm

Drinking the water of “truth” or being “bathed in the water of truth” requires a commitment from the person willing to accept the kingdom of God. I don’t think the rank and file on either side of this issue see it as being a deeply religious issue, it is a political and social issue. Just trying to make the point that intentions and expectations may not coincide with reality.
And I am not a religious person, so recalling this may not be perfect.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 4:39 pm

intentions and expectations may not coincide with reality.
——
in Vegas, always play with the odds… that way, even though intentions and expectations may not coincide with reality, you get the most bang for your buck.

erneba July 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm

And the odds are, next year at this time, the flag will be down, the political/social division continues, reconciliation is still a dream, and society is still plagued with BO and lice.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm

Yeah… and someone will be focusing on roads and graft again… probably not a politician.

Jack July 3, 2015 at 4:18 pm

“will you begin taking care of (and legitimizing though marriage) your children”; Who is you?

As for the rest WE are working on it.

Will all the jobs lost since 2008, come back?

Net Jobs created under Bush (8 years) 1.3 million

Net Jobs created under Obama (6 years) 5.7 million

Will the outrageous inflation be reversed?

Average Annual rate of inflation under Bush (8 years) – 3.25%
Average Annual rate of inflation under Obama (6 years) – 1.40%

Will home prices get back to 2008 value;

Both the average and median US home prices surpassed their 2008 levels in 2013.

Will my health insurance premiums get back to 2008 costs.

No, health insurance premiums have gone up every year for the past 20 years at least. The good news is the rate of increase is less now than it was under Bush.

Quality care return?

There have been no statistics to indicate the quality of US health care has dropped since 2008, so I am not sure what your question is here.

Will gas prices return to sub-$2-a-gallon?

Maybe, it depends on what the oil companies do, unless you are asking for government price controls. Average price per gallon of gas under the Bush and Obama Administrations has been about the same.

Will all the salary declined since 2008 , come back?

I guess that depends on what economic group you are in. On an inflation adjusted basis the income of the average American has been dropping since the 1980s. There was a significant drop in 2008 (under Bush). On an inflation adjusted basis the average household income of the top 5% is already way above where it was in 2008. For the middle class, inflation adjusted household income dropped from 2000 through 2010, but starting in 2010 began to turn around. It is now near where it was in 2008 and increases are likely next year, so for that group I would say the answer is most likely yes. The bottom 20% are still struggling, but their income has been going down since 1980. So for that group, the answer is most likely no,

Will all of the greed, evil, corruption and hedonism be disavowed, instead of embraced, by the federal government ?….

I guess I would need to take those in groups. First greed and corruption will only get worse unless Citizens United is reversed and real campaign finance reform is enacted.

Second Evil and hedonism are in the eye of the beholder, so from your point of view I would guess the answer is no.

Or will removing the flag do nothing to correct the misery its obsessed opponents have rendered?

Thousands will celebrate the removal of the flag, so I would say the answer to that is no.

You must be a Fox news watcher. Do you have any other questions?

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Roberto July 3, 2015 at 4:34 pm

No. Taking the flag down will NOT improve any of those things.
But neither will leaving it up.
You have created a fairly stupid diversion from the question at hand: “Should the flag come down?”

YES!

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Good for the goose... July 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm

When will the African-American Monument be removed? It’s as polarizing as the flag, if not more.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 3:19 pm

Not to mention it’s the ugliest monument on the statehouse grounds.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:10 pm

it’s only ugly until you’ve been in, and then come out of the statehouse.

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Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:13 pm

What the fuck are you talking about?

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 6:32 pm

Once you’ve seen the legislative body in action, everything ugly pales by comparison.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 7:07 pm

laws and sausages — Twain

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 8:31 pm

It is not by speeches and majority vote that the great questions of our time will be decided — as that was error of 1848 and 1849 — but rather by iron and blood.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 7:14 pm

Thank you Mr. Obvious.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm

Well? You *asked*.

Don’t ask a question you already know the answer to.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm

I didn’t know what you were talking about. I thought you were talking about an even uglier statue inside.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 8:17 pm

no problem.. Sometimes, caught up in stream of consciousness.. .I get obscure without realizing it.

In a way, the legislative body moves so slowly, it has a lot of the same attributes of a statue.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:51 am

“I didn’t know what you were talking about”
That’s because you are always on here jabbering some incoherent racist shit all the time and never shut the fuck up.

soxinsc July 3, 2015 at 3:30 pm

When the Confederate Soldier monument comes down. Rest assured that going forward, their futures will be tied together like the MLK and Confederate Memorial holidays.

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TankMcNamara July 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm

well, if you recall, the flag’s current location is a result of the compromise creating the monument. i haven’t heard anything about removing that monument as part of the new “compromise” to remove the flag.

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Bill July 3, 2015 at 4:31 pm

Who was the compromise between?

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TankMcNamara July 3, 2015 at 4:36 pm

the original compromise was between the legislative black caucus and the pro-flag legislators at the time.

Bill July 3, 2015 at 4:47 pm

Exactly, so no one was happy except maybe a few legislators who took what they could get, since the alternative from Republicans was leave the flag on the Capitol dome. But there was no agreement not to continue the fight to have that flag removed from the State House grounds. The truth is every war is a series of battles. A battle was won in 2000 when the flag came down from the dome. There were many defeats thereafter in the attempt to remove the flag. This is winning the war.

As for the black history monument, are you saying we should not have a monument to black history?

TankMcNamara July 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm

i am. imo, i don’t not think there should be a monument to any specific race of people, whites included. Monuments to specific individuals are appropriate, but not to an entire race. and for what its worth, i personally think the flag should not be displayed on the SH ground and should be in a mueseum.

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 5:13 pm

No. We shouldn’t have a black history memorial, a black history month, a black Miss America, a black caucus, or a black anything. To recognize one race over the other is divisive. If we are truly going to be inclusive of everyone then we need to quit recognizing one race over the other. I have no problem with MLK Day because it represents a man and recognizes his contributions to society. If both races would heed his words and judge people by the content of their skin instead of the content of their character then we would be better as a nation.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:12 pm

MLK’s words or his plagiarized words?

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Are you saying that he did not call for us to judge each other based on the content of one’s character and not the color of their skin?

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 7:14 pm

Personally I don’t know enough about his work to know what he wrote himself and what he copied from other people.

RogueElephant July 4, 2015 at 6:51 am

Excellent. + 10. What I have been saying for years. We are ALL Americans. Not the hyphenated crap that separates us from one another. When we get to “All for one and one for all.” we will be truly free. We will also look at politicians as they really are.

Bill July 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm

So you would be for removing the confederate soldiers monument. That also symbolizes the efforts of a collective group, not a person. And that effort was to enslave others

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Yeah that’s going to happen. Not one person here will still be alive if that ever happens. You might as well start petitioning to remove George Washington’s statue from grounds, since he was slave owner.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 4, 2015 at 5:17 pm

It wasn’t a problem because George was Black.

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Confederate Flag July 3, 2015 at 3:30 pm

‘Cause he’s an old flag

And he don’t know what to do

Should he hang on to the old

Should he grab on to the new.

He’s and old flag

This new life is just a bust

He ain’t trying to change nobody

He’s just trying real hard to adjust.

Yeah, he ain’t trying to change nobody

He’s just trying real hard to adjust…

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Unreconstructed Rebel July 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm

Oh, I’m a good old Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am;
For this “fair land of Freedom”
I do not care a damn.
I’m glad I fit against it-
I only wish we’d won.
And I don’t want no pardon
For anything I’ve done.

I hates the Constitution,
This great Republic too;
I hates the Freedmen’s Buro,
In uniforms of blue.
I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brag and fuss;
But the lyin’, thievin’ Yankees
I hates’ em wuss and wuss.

We got three hundred thousand
Befo’ they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot;
And I wish it was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can’t take up my musket
And fight’ em now no mo’,
But I ain’t a-goin’to love’ em,
Now that is sartin sho’;
And I don’t want no pardon
For what I was and am;
And I won’t be reconstructed,
And I do not give a damn.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:08 pm

…and that’s why I vote Republican!

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Slartibartfast July 3, 2015 at 6:07 pm

I thought you were too bitter to vote at all(!).. yes, yes.. I know, you were being sarcastic.

As you say, you don’t live in SC, and that’s fine. But I do, and I’m old enough to remember my ancient grandfathers telling me about their fathers having to pay ridiculous, made-up taxes just so they could keep what little land that wasn’t stolen from them during reconstruction.

People who did not have to live through the occupation and reconstruction wonder why we are so quick to smile. My grands told me that when you have to lie just to stay alive, it changes you forever.

As an anarchist, you may not believe that we South Carolinians who are proud of our heritage, can have anything in our past which is good. But it’s true, and it helps us do what we must. This is not an excuse for feckless legislators of all colors, but a reason for all to be reasonable in light of false promises of the past.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 6:17 pm

I’m not an anarchist – I’m a liberal. I live in Texas, so I’m harder than a coffin nail.

Anarchists are too snooty, and they live in separate holes. They’d just as soon eat you as treat you. I believe in the greatest good for the greatest number through civilization.

As far as South Carolina – it is what it is. But, being what it is, it has produced some of the most creative wit, the rarest of perspectives… in the crucible of hate and a heritage of abject failure and suspicion of intelligence, like colchicine – the toxicity of the culture is a strong mutagen that generates unique, fascinating beauty, as well as horrible misanthropes.

jeb July 3, 2015 at 7:02 pm

You, sir., need a hobby. Your mind has begun to eat itself and soon there will be nothing left of it save a whisper of shit, aka your soul.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 7:06 pm

I have a hobby.

Chess…. and software design and development.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Diploids amongst the dips.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 7:09 pm

Haploids among the hapless.

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 3, 2015 at 8:18 pm

..in the crucible of hate and a heritage of abject failure and suspicion of intelligence, like colchicine – the toxicity of the culture is a strong mutagen that generates unique, fascinating beauty, as well as horrific misanthropes.

“You use your mouth purtier than a $20 whore.”

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 8:27 pm

clowns to the left of me,
jokers to the right
here I am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGkXI6jRpvA

Jack July 5, 2015 at 2:55 am

Well if yor ancient grandfathers had just agreed to stop enslaving black people they would not have had to go through reconstruction.

Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 1:12 pm

“The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.” – Hartley

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 6:08 pm

Hopefully you’re a good South Carolinian and votes straight ticket.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 6:11 pm

I’m a Texan, and it would take more than a mild stroke to get me to vote for a Replicant.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 7:12 pm

“I’m a Texan”

So you’re admitting to be mildly retarded…

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 7:22 pm

“I’m a Texan”

So you’re admitting to be mildly retarded…

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I suppose it’s to be expected. It’s a little like living with a mild stroke, or heavy metals in the water.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 8:05 pm

Then you moved to SC where people label you as “the smart guy down the block”.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 8:21 pm

I doubt that if I came to SC, that any of your bubbas would call me “the smart guy” – I’d expect them to refer to me as peckerwood, or “Glad I’m not the one who showed up at Uncle Eddie Bob’s funeral in flip-flops and a Ho Chi Minh t-shirt.”

Here in Texas, I’m a big frog in a small pond. The rest of the tale is of jealousy and vengeance.

Sic Semper Tyrannis July 3, 2015 at 8:58 pm

I lived in Ft. Worth, for 5 years, cool.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 10:28 pm

Cops… slithering all over the place like a snake farm in Fort Worth… euwe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jNWPUFNA2U

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:49 am

I thought Ft. Worth was hot . . . climate change?

Sic Semper Tyrannis July 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm

I lived there in the mid 80’s untill 1990. It wasn’t humid there.

Jim July 5, 2015 at 2:34 pm

By tyrants do you mean the people who enslaved hundreds of thousands of black people

Sic Semper Tyrannis July 6, 2015 at 8:05 am

All tyrants, ALL.

Slartibartfast July 6, 2015 at 10:55 pm

I would welcome you. God, what a disgusting world it would be if everybody agreed with everybody! But I would hope that you’d like good whiskey and fine cigars. Everything else is debatable.

euwe max July 6, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Cohiba black, Gentleman Jack… or better.

Slartibartfast July 6, 2015 at 11:02 pm

A man of taste..

euwe max July 6, 2015 at 11:11 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBG8sZFBTc
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a man of wealth, and taste.

Slartibartfast July 7, 2015 at 3:33 pm

Could it beeeeeeeeeeeee…?

You know my name July 5, 2015 at 5:33 am

Struggling to see how that might be any different than being a native of South Carolina, and possessing an actual brain.

The struggle continues.

euwe max July 5, 2015 at 10:02 am

Struggling to see how that might be any different than being a native of South Carolina, and possessing an actual brain.

The struggle continues.

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Lofty philosophical heights, there. If you find someone with those qualifications, let me know what he says.

Cheryl Crowsfeet July 5, 2015 at 5:27 am

Must have been a song in a mistral show, considering the dialect, which is far from being that of the “white” Southern partisan.

The irony abounds.

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Spell-Checkered Demon July 5, 2015 at 5:29 am

mistral, minstrel = same difference.

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CNSYD July 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm

“horrific”? Check.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm

I’m looking forward to enjoying a great deal more moaning and whining from the unreconstructed.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm

white-knuckled strokes aplenty.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 6:48 pm

I suppose you have to have hearts to have heart attacks.

But consider, we haven’t seen a true online meltdown in years. Maybe there was some thinning out of the GOPer herd after all.

And maybe the remaining just really enjoy whining and simpering and sniveling and moaning.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Have you gotten any death threats in the past two years?

Either I’m getting soft, or this new crop is just a bunch of petunias and nancy boys.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 6:57 pm

I think today’s GOPosters seem a bit sedated. Drugs I suppose. Possibly even legal ones. Possibly even legally required ones.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 7:00 pm

Interesting theory. Perhaps oxycodone will do our work for us.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 7:19 pm

Will the Citadel* “Squabs” (or whatever they are called) come to lower the flag? Didn’t they raise it?

*”A dude factory” — Tillman

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Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 8:30 pm

No. The knobs didn’t raise the flag. They were under a different flag when the first shots of the Civil War were fired.
Research can be your friend.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Who raised it?

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Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 8:49 pm

The democratically controlled Legislature out it on the Statehouse in the 1960’s. A bipartisan compromise of the state legislature placed it at the memorial around 2000.

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euwe max July 3, 2015 at 10:31 pm

Yeah… but *who*?

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 10:45 pm

Do your own research. I gave you enough information to get you started but I believe Fritz Holland was one of the main forces behind it.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 10:59 pm

would it have been marines, national guard, the daughters of the revolution?

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 11:11 pm

If you want the name of the guy that ran it up the flagpole then good luck. If you want the job title of the person then I can tell you that those flags were raised and lowered everyday so t was an employee of the Statehouse that would have done that.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:15 pm

No special ceremony, then.

the thorn in your left side July 5, 2015 at 5:44 am

“Fritz Holland.”
hmmmm … Any relation to Fritz Hollings, flippy?

Speak D Truth July 5, 2015 at 9:15 am

So I misspelled the last name of a Democrat that hoisted the Confederate Flag over the State House in opposition to the Civil Right Movement. Big Deal. By the way he never changed parties. He and Senator Byrd were always sheet wearing democrats.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:01 pm

btw, who is for states rights? Liberals or Republicans?

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm

Republicans. Liberals are for control at the federal level. Libertarians can border on anarchists.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:14 pm

How do you explain Liberals trying to take the flag down, if it’s Republicans who are for States rights? I thought the Liberals put the flag up.

If the Republicans are fighting to keep the battle flag flying, how does that make liberals racist?

As for control… answer these questions:

1. Do you oppose immigration and believe that America is for “Americans only?”

2. Do you oppose feminism, and do you believe that motherhood should be the prime role of women, in order to “strengthen the family unit?”

3. Do you support the establishment of a new system of education, which would oversee the “moral development” of children?

4. Do you believe that the economy and the government should be debt-free?

5. Do you believe that America should be “energy sufficient,” and that we should exploit natural resources, such as land and water, in order to achieve that goal? (Bonus question: Is it a good idea to put ‘fossil fuel-producing corporations,’ like fracking wells, oil rigs and garbage incinerators in economically depressed regions of the country, to stimulate economic growth and create jobs for minorities?)

6. Do you support the right of citizens to keep and bear arms? (No, Nazi’s do not support taking guns away, contrary to right wing bullshit.)

7. Do you want to do away with the separation of church and state?

8. Do you want to see the US government get involved in the “spiritual upbringing” of children?

9. Are you a true supporter of “traditional American values?” (The Nazi’s call it ‘traditional Aryan values,’ but we know what you mean.)

10. Do you believe that minorities and immigrants are a threat to the traditional United States?

Bonus points if you:

1. Oppose labor unions and want to see them outlawed.

2. Agree that there is a “war on white people” and that ‘reverse-racism’ is a real problem in the United States.

3. Believe that gays present a real threat to “traditional American values” and the “traditional American family.”

4. Hate “Communists” and are willing to apply that label to everyone you disagree with politically.

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 11:31 pm

I believe in legal immigration. We must control our borders to protect the health and security of our nation. Everyone that enters our country illegally is a criminal by there decision to enter illegally. There is a drug trade/network comprised of illegals. That is not to say that they are the only ones in the drug trade or that all illegals are dealing drugs but it is not an anomaly to see illegals imprisoned in the US. You can verify that with crime statistics. The 9/11 terrorists entered the country legally but were here illegally when 9/11 occurred.
I have no problem with women in the workplace and they should be able to work to their full potential. But also believe in a 2 parent traditional household.
I believe that the 2 parent household that was described above should provide the structure that would provide the moral development of children.
The government should be debt free. As a nation we should live within our means.
We should be more self sufficient than we are. There are environmentally friendly ways to extract natural resources. We should use those while we explore more environmentally friendly ways to produce energy. Starving the economy with higher fuel prices to reduce the amount of energy that is used is not the answer. That only leads to burger flippers wanting $15 an hour which causes more skilled labor to want more money. This creates inflation that destroys the economy.

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 11:46 pm

I support the right to keep and bear arms.
I agree with the separation of church and state but hate the way it has been perverted by the courts.
I already answered my views on raising children
I believe in traditional American values.
I have no problem with minorities and legal immigrants but illegal immigrants need to be treated as such. What happen if you crossed in to Mexico illegally?
Unions can be useful but if left unchecked the will destroy an industry like they did the auto industry.
There isn’t necessarily a war on white people. reverse-racism is a misnomer. Racism is racism and both races have people that are guilty of it. It really pisses me off to be told that black people can’t be racist.
I do not support homosexuality or gay marriage. I believe they will burn in hell for their sins. But it is not my place to punish them. God will do that in due time. I live my life and let them live theirs.
I do not assign the label communist to everyone that I disagree with politically. I do hate communism and believe that it has proven itself to be a failed form of government.

the thorn in your right side. July 5, 2015 at 5:42 am

pogo, all you have proven is that you don’t quite qualify to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.

But keep trying. You’ll make it eventually.

Speak D Truth July 5, 2015 at 9:21 am

I’m surprised you actually posted using the same name twice. You must want me to know that I’m being trolled by you. I am proud that I am not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. But given the democratic party’s history of racism, anti-war support, and hatred of America you might be a member.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 11:18 pm

A line in a recent article seemed to state that cadets raised the flag at the monument. Seemed believable.

Speak D Truth July 3, 2015 at 11:47 pm

Not that I’m aware of.

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Lunelle Siegel July 4, 2015 at 11:08 am

Why does the NAACP get to decide what a historical American Flag Means?

TELL THE SC LEGISLATURE NOT TO NEGOTIATE with the National Association for the Advancement of Certain People.
SIGN THIS PETITION TO TAKE BACK THE MEANING OF OUR FLAG!
https://www.change.org/p/south-carolina-state-house-south-carolina-state-senate-south-carolina-governor-demand-the-naacp-rescind-their-odious-blight-on-the-universe-resolution-before-any-debate-on-removing-the-sc-confederate-veterans-memorial-flag

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euwe max July 5, 2015 at 8:38 pm

Why does the NAACP get to decide what a historical American Flag Means?

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Because racist goobers, and shut up is why.

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Jeff Traube July 4, 2015 at 11:34 am

A compromise would be keeping the flag for three days: Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis’ birthday; and removing the monument to Africans erected in exchange for removing the flag from the dome.

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Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 11:43 am

If the Naval Jack is offensive because it has been hijacked by racist organizations then why not replace it with the true flag of the Confederacy?

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shifty henry July 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm

I’m remembering that this is Independence Day and I am extending best wishes to all of you who desire to honor it.

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Comrade1917 July 4, 2015 at 5:46 pm

Confederate memorials to be destroyed.

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Sasquachy321 July 5, 2015 at 8:53 am

Maybe they can all be moved to some Klanland amusement park in Lexington County or Mississippi.

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Sasquachy321 July 5, 2015 at 8:56 am

I’m hoping JimBob Metts had a nice Fourth in the hoosegow. Maybe they got a cup of peach ice cream because of the holiday.

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