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SC Doesn’t Have To Wait To Take Down Confederate Flag

BANNER COULD BE REMOVED ON JULY 1 … OR SOONER || By FITSNEWS || S.C. Reps. Doug Brannon and Todd Rutherford have announced their intention to file legislation removing the Confederate flag from the grounds of the South Carolina State House in Columbia, S.C. in the aftermath of last week’s “Holy…

BANNER COULD BE REMOVED ON JULY 1 … OR SOONER

|| By FITSNEWS || S.C. Reps. Doug Brannon and Todd Rutherford have announced their intention to file legislation removing the Confederate flag from the grounds of the South Carolina State House in Columbia, S.C. in the aftermath of last week’s “Holy City Massacre” in Charleston, S.C.

The only problem?  The 2015 legislative session is technically over – meaning the soonest Brannon and Rutherford could file their legislation would be December (during a pre-filing period).  And the soonest their bill could be acted upon in such a scenario would be January 2016.

Or so we’ve been led to believe …

The truth is state lawmakers could take the banner down as part of the state budget that begins on July 1 … and possibly sooner than that if they chose.

By approving what’s known as a “part 2 proviso” to the state’s annual spending plan – which is currently being negotiated by S.C. House and State Senate leaders in a conference committee – the flag could come down within the next ten days.

In fact, assuming two-thirds of both chambers approved the budget containing this proviso, the flag would come down on July 1.

Why two-thirds?

In 2000, when the Confederate flag was moved from the State House dome (and from inside both legislative chambers) to its current location, the compromise mandated that only a two-thirds vote could remove it from that location.

David Drucker of The Washington Examiner got the scoop on this first from a S.C. State House source …

“The Senate, by tradition, has not used part 2 provisos because this power has been abused in the past,” the source told Drucker. “But the Senate, led by the most powerful legislator in the state, Sen. Hugh Leatherman, has a chance to take the flag down this year by demanding it be part of the budget.”

His source is correct …

If the proviso route failed, a two-thirds majority of each chamber could conceivably vote to amend the sine die resolution which governs what legislators can (and cannot) address during the temporary adjournment of the S.C. General Assembly – thus permitting them to take down the flag as a stand-alone piece of legislation (which would again require two-thirds majorities of both chambers).

Should they undertake an effort to obtain such votes?

We believe so …

This website has never been antagonistic toward the flag.  Hell, we’ve never really had much in the way of an opinion about it.

“State leaders can leave it, move it, burn it or use it as a bath towel for all we care,” we wrote back in 2011.

In fact as recently as March of this year we were blasting the NAACP for their continued singular focus on taking it down.

But things change … seismically.  Violently.

Whatever people think the Confederate flag stands for, perception is reality – and the reality is it’s being used as the calling card for a dangerous, deadly new strain of racism, one intent on depriving black Americans of the most fundamental liberty of all: The right to a beating heart.

Hoisted by the state in 1962 as a rebuke of the civil rights movement, there is simply no compelling reason to leave this banner in place – and its removal imposes no hardship upon anyone’s freedom.

Lawmakers should take it down.  Now.

Seriously … as often as this website battled over the years with S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney (one of the victims of the Mother Emanuel AME Church attack) does anyone really think the building in which his body will lay in state should be adorned by the same flag his murderer waved?

Um, no.

Finally, if South Carolina’s leaders think this issue is going to die down between now and January, we would remind them of the presidential primary circus coming to town that month … and the national media accompanying that circus … which is pretty much why the flag was moved off the dome in 2000.

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249 comments

The Buzzman June 21, 2015 at 3:44 pm

One of the most powerful things you’ve ever written. Thank you.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 4:06 pm

One of the most telling traits of the less intelligent, is to define the most banal and common thought, as “powerful.”

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Where am I? June 21, 2015 at 4:11 pm

One of the most powerful lame things you’ve ever written. Thank fuck you.

Fix’d that for you. No need to thank me.

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Where am I? June 21, 2015 at 3:45 pm

Am I reading ThinkProgress, Crooks and Liars, The Daily Kos, HuffPo or Fitsnews? It’s a little hard to tell since Will’s gotten eaten up about the flag thing.

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Nydia Burdick June 21, 2015 at 3:46 pm

Move it to the memorial park 10 blocks away where the Vietnam memorial park is located. Let it be relegated to historical perspective. It is time.

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Tazmaniac June 21, 2015 at 8:17 pm

I’m all for it if it would shut the pie holes of both sides but something tells me we are both going to be disappointed.

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Barbara Kennedy Streeter June 21, 2015 at 11:42 pm

“Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes.”
~George Santayana~

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btsc June 21, 2015 at 11:52 pm

That is a City of Columbia Park and there is no way in hell that our city will allow it there.

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Oft Hated June 21, 2015 at 3:53 pm

Great points and great insight. Now let’s see if we can make it happen.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 4:03 pm

It is very sick, and indicative of your character, to use the bodies of these slain Christians to forward your caustic political agenda. I know you live under the credo of “never let a crisis go to waste.” But could you just for once, abandon your hate and selfishness, and make an exception.

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Michael June 21, 2015 at 6:11 pm

False. I live in Charleston and I can tell you the people in the community have come together to love each other. We are holding each other up. Now we expect our leaders to find a way to put an end to these situations happening in the future. It is ridiculous to me that if we try to address the real issue here it means we are forcing our political agenda on others. What we want, if a solution.

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CNSYD June 21, 2015 at 6:42 pm

Huge difference between “living” in Charleston and being a native of Charleston.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 7:13 pm

The Confederate flag, and the distraction by those politicizing these murders, are in Columbia. You are reporting to us something that is irrelevant to this movement to exploit the death of these Christians.

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Christopher Weber June 21, 2015 at 4:14 pm

You want to remove the flag fine ….
Now why don’t we finish ” The work ”
You need to rename Fort Hood / Fort A.P. Hill / Fort Gordon / Fort Polk / Fort Benning ect …
You need to rename how many High schools,middle schools and elementary schools
Lee, Jackson, Davis , Sturat
You need to rename how many public parks , Confederate Park – Lee Park ect ..
You need to rename a few highways eg. Lee highway ( Rt 29 in Virginia )
until all this is done … It is work in VAIN !

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shifty henry June 21, 2015 at 4:43 pm

Lee Highway (#72) in general goes from Chattanooga, TN to South Pittsburgh, TN and across Alabama to Huntsville and over to Mississippi…….

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:26 pm

Agreed. Let’s get started.

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nepo June 21, 2015 at 4:23 pm

Take down the statue of George Washington. ..he once owned slaves…

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CNSYD June 21, 2015 at 4:41 pm

12 US Presidents owned slaves. 8 of them while they were President. Don’t hear that touted often do you. BTW, one of the 12 was Grant.

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The Colonel June 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm

Actually, Grant himself owned only one slave who he freed in 1859. His family farm did in fact have slaves.

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Michael June 21, 2015 at 6:09 pm

I don’t see those presidents roaming around with a flag that symbolizes many things (slavery and a dark history in the south included) shooting up Churches today and killing 9 black people. Alas, your I must digress, your point seems totally valid. Not.

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CNSYD June 21, 2015 at 6:40 pm

What flag did those slave owning Presidents serve under? Should its current version be banned? Read “When in the Course of Human Events” and learn the real causes of the War Between the States and not the one victor historians want you to believe.

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9" June 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm

Things Have changed.How you can link the flag to the murders is bullshit.Blaming the internet would make more sense-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo

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Bible Thumper June 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm

A lot of good comes from the internet. Nothing good comes from the battle flag on the State House grounds.

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Monument Police June 21, 2015 at 5:57 pm

Nothing good comes from the African American Heritage Monument either.

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Superfly June 21, 2015 at 4:36 pm

Removing the flag from the grounds of the Statehouse by the methods you’ve described above should be implemented. I doubt they will as long as Pompous ass Courson and Rebel Yell Solder wannabe Danny Verdin ar present. By the way Will, I’m not convinced the legislation requiring a 2/3 vote in the affirmative by both bodies to remove the flag is constitutional.

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CoC Graduate June 21, 2015 at 5:29 pm

I blame Glenn McConnell for this mess.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 5:32 pm

I blame Obama.He has divided America with his hate for the Constitution,law enforcement and whites.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 6:04 pm

I revel in your searing displeasure at having a black president.

I suspect Jesus smiles too.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 6:13 pm

I don’t have a problem with a black president.Cain or Carson would be great.
The only thing that bothers me about Obama is that he hates America,is a closet muslim that hates the Jews and throws a baseball like a girl.

tomstickler June 21, 2015 at 5:31 pm

Well, if you would read Act 292 of 2000, there is this section:

“(B) The provisions of this section may only be amended or repealed upon passage of an act which has received a two-thirds vote on the third reading of the bill in each branch of the General Assembly.”

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shifty henry June 21, 2015 at 4:36 pm

Well, if this flag is removed, then what flag will be used to replace it?

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The Colonel June 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm

How about none, the monument had no flash until 2000. Etched into the monument are several flags.

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a face in the crowd June 21, 2015 at 8:57 pm

Speaking of statues: http://news.yahoo.com/charleston-confederate-statue-graffiti-black-lives-matter-184427816.html
The interesting aspect of that graffiti is that the painters appeared to knowingly stop short of doing permanent damage.

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The Colonel June 21, 2015 at 9:05 pm

It is impolitic of me to say this, but at first glance, it appears that black lives “mater”. The graffiti artist obviously attempted to correct the spelling.

I do admire his/their restraint and whole heartedly agree with the sentiment and would echo it to say that all lives matter.

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Squishy123 June 22, 2015 at 10:59 am

So you’d be in favor of it going back up on the dome?

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Rocky June 22, 2015 at 11:09 am

The Colonel is on record of supporting a museum. Isn’t there one right down the street? Yes!!! Or give it to that crazy bastard to fly over his BBQ joint.

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The Colonel June 22, 2015 at 11:29 am

Maurice is dead, his family took all of the flags down a while back and the flags at the restaurants are all at half staff.

Jackie Chiles June 22, 2015 at 11:47 am

Imo, all sons of confederate veterans groups and other historic confederate groups should just accept they’ve lost the war over the meaning of the confederate flag and just go with the “Bonnie Blue” flag since it wasn’t waved in the face of blacks during the Jim Crow south. It has the historic meaning without the civil rights era overtones.

The Colonel June 22, 2015 at 11:32 am

Take it across the street to the Relic Room – oh wait, they already have several correct flags in their collection. While they’re doing that they could take Ol’Leatherman as well…

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CorruptionInColumbia June 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm

Squishy said reparations will likely become the next “cause” tied to illigitemacy, Black on Black crime, illiteracy, poverty, etc.

After that, my guess would be white skin. Making people look at white skin, of a similar hue as slave owners may have once had will no doubt be traumatic for the descendants of those slaves. It will be worn by those who hate and a symbol of the oppression which once was. Laws will be introduced and people like Will will flood the world with editorials as to why these pale reminders of injustice need to be made to change or alter their pigmentation

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shifty henry June 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

WoW..!!

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euwe max June 22, 2015 at 1:32 am

a natural progression if I ever heard one.

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2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Only reason Will flip flopped on the flag was it was a way to put Haley in a difficult position-another ISSUE he can try and use to attack and harass her.

Will don’t give a fuck about black folks.His flip flop is all about Haley.

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shifty henry June 22, 2015 at 7:29 am

‘a way to put Haley in a difficult position’ —– hmmm, thought that he had been doing with her in 5 Points.

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:31 am

Good morning flippy pogo. I thought you’d be too busy to comment. Too busy making sure any and all correspondence between yourself and Dylann Storm Roof was scrubbed from the web — and from your hard drive. About 60 passes should obliterate it forever.

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Pogo the Stalker June 22, 2015 at 9:09 am

He probably has every single thing Roof ever said saved somewhere like the obsessed stalker freak he is.

Giving A Fuck About Blacks June 22, 2015 at 9:07 am

Seeing you accuse someone of not caring about black people is golden.

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FastEddy23 June 21, 2015 at 5:51 pm

“… these pale reminders of injustice …”

If you were running for office I’d be calling the PC Police on ya’.

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:29 am

Columbus being the most heinous one that is still venerated today. But, in general, reparations is a bullshit idea.

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FastEddy23 June 24, 2015 at 11:56 am

Actually I nominate Pizarro and Cortez as the worst of the genocide perps. … Followed by the Spanish Catholic Church itself. There are thousands of mass grave sites around everyone of those Spanish California Missions.

The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:27 am

Bullshit.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm

Sorry Shifty! My dyslexia (or whatever) was engaged when I read your post and I didn’t see the word “flag” in your question.

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2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 5:46 pm

Will will support the gay ‘Rainbow Flag’ at the state house in his next flip flop.

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9" June 21, 2015 at 6:01 pm

I’ve got a big red and purple flag in my pocket…Don’t worry about the state house.Cum on over to my house…Wanna feel the monster spit?

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:33 am

Trying to temp GT back on here by making him jealous, eh?

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9" June 22, 2015 at 11:33 am

He is so difficult,it almost makes me want a woman.He likes to spend your money,and is never satisfied

Squishy123 June 22, 2015 at 11:02 am

Why do gay people’s lives revolve around their sexuality? How many hetrosexual people do you know who mention multiple times a day that they’re hetrosexual?

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9" June 22, 2015 at 11:37 am

They don’t have to.It’s their world.
Don’t tease or feed the straight people.

2 for 1 Deal June 21, 2015 at 7:17 pm

I dunno. But even the current State Flag represents slavery. Its design was adopted in 1861 was SC slave masters in the legislature.

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The Colonel June 22, 2015 at 1:03 am

Meh, The design honours the cap badge and building materials of the soldiers who fought at Fort Moultrie in Charleston Harbour during the Revolutionary War.

The crescent shape is a gorget, not a moon. A gorget is the piece of armor that knights wore to protect their necks. Once the firearm made armor obsolete, the gorget was retained as a badge of rank – Washington has one on in many of his portraits. The Second South Carolina Infantry Regiment, under Colonel Moultrie adopted the gorget as a cap badge and Moultrie went one step further, adding it to his regimental flag (the traditional design has the word liberty in the gorget, later flags had the word liberty along the lower edge of the fly (bottom of the flag)).

Fort Moultrie was constructed of palmetto logs. The palmetto is not really a tree, it’s a shrub and one of the unique features of its internal struture is an ability to absorb massive punishment that would shatter a traditionally grained tree. A palmetto log will ruin a chain saw. The earthen fort fronted with palmetto logs absorbed everything the British could throw at it during a day long battle that ended in a British withdrawal. Fort Moultrie was at one time the oldest fort in continue use (171 years) it was decommissioned in 1947.

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:26 am

Gorgets, of course, were also worn by native Indians in the America, long pre-dating the “discovery” and colonization years in “The New World.” This is suggestive of some ancient common origin for these significant items of adornment, rank, and reward for valor, etc. Gorgets of various kinds, whether made of shells, stone, or metal, are often a part of ceremonial regalia at Pau Wau for many tribes in the USA.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:25 pm

None.

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btsc June 21, 2015 at 11:53 pm

How about 2 flags that represent all of us in South Carolina? The American Flag and the South Carolina Flag.

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White Flag June 22, 2015 at 9:06 am

One fitting for the confederacy, a white flag of surrender.

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SCLady June 22, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Who cares? Honestly, ask yourselves, do you really ever look at, notice it?
Flag.poles are not a permanent fixture.
When I thought it was there because of the South’s history and to honor Confederate soldiers who died, I felt it should remain.

Now, learning it was put up in 1962 to protest segregation, etc., I believe it should be removed and placed in a museum. Now I finally understand why people want it down.

BUT…Let me share something I think is VERY WRONG. Also in SC, a school was forced, after many years of representing this public school…To CHANGE THE SCHOOL LOG meaning everything with the logo had to be changed…WHY ??
BECAUSE THE LOGO RESEMBLED
COLONIAL SANDERS…….Now, do you really think those who forced this change have boycotted the Colonial Sanders’ fried chicken stores?????

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CorruptionInColumbia June 21, 2015 at 4:43 pm

Jeebus Cripes, Will!!!! Has this flag thing replaced your shoe/foot fetish? Are you holding and stroking your willie in one hand while typing these idiotic flag articles with the other, squirting for greater distance with each one? To have never had much of an opinion one way or another as you claim, you sure seem to be obsessed woth it now. With each of these postings, the quality of your site seems to be bleeding out a bit more.

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9" June 21, 2015 at 7:51 pm

It’s about hits/traffic.Bring up the FLAG,and it’s a guarantee.Maybe some neo-hippie chick at the rally gives fantastic head

up-vote x 9

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Squishy123 June 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm

It’ll never happen. Right now everyone’s emotions are up and this would be nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction.

There were two shootings yesterday involving 10 victims that either died or were injured, children included. Is the flag responsible for both of those shootings as well?

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tomstickler June 21, 2015 at 5:36 pm

Dunno. Do you have a link to the shooters’ websites? Maybe they left a manifesto online, or some pictures that might give us a clue.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:25 pm

No, the lack of rational gun control is responsible for those shootings.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:30 pm

Yes. The lack of guns in churches is the problem. Decades ago, they could have taken guns aways and it might have an influence. If taken away today. It will have an influence. An impact. Only criminals will have guns.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:35 pm

Read what you just said..”The lack of guns in churches is the problem.”

Nuff said.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm

Guns are allowed everywhere, except church. If you truly think all in church are good, then I rest my case.

CorruptionInColumbia June 21, 2015 at 7:47 pm

We see how well the prohibition on guns in churches worked in this case. Same as the prohibition on guns in schools has prevented shootings in schools since passage of the so-called “Safe Schools Act”.

guest June 21, 2015 at 7:53 pm

Yep.

Tazmaniac June 21, 2015 at 8:11 pm

Remember when that nut went to a Gun Show and shot all those innocent unsuspecting people? Yeah, I don,t either. If cattle had weapons to defend themselves would MacDonald,s be a thing?

The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:38 am

McDonalds is pretty much no longer a thing. Closing stores all over the place. People have finally figured out that it’s the taint stain of fast food joints.

Tazmaniac June 22, 2015 at 7:45 am

Now Buzz you know where I was going with that!

9" June 22, 2015 at 11:26 am

Not to sound elitist,but I haven’t been there in years.Do they puff up their burgers with helium? There are too many other options,mainly my almost every day go to,Taqueria El Jarocho Express.The Quesadillas are incredible,along with everything else.They’re the main reason I’m against deporting Hispanics,and it’s almost Chow Time in Dixie…
Hardee’s gets my vote for best chain burgers and chicken sandwiches.

DOUGLAS GILLARD June 23, 2015 at 10:40 am

Where has a McDonald’s been closed down?

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:50 pm

WWJD? Apparently a tech nine.

What a wonderful country we live in.

CorruptionInColumbia June 22, 2015 at 8:52 am

Naaa. If my dad were the Almighty and I could have any sub-gun I wanted, it’d be the Uzi, even if it is out of production.

Squishy123 June 22, 2015 at 10:59 am

You’d take an Uzi over a minigun? What kind of special retard are you?

CorruptionInColumbia June 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Re- read my post, dipstick. I was replying to Limbaughsaphatcunt, who mentioned a Tech-9. That was before the mini-gun comment.

Passion of the Christ 2 June 22, 2015 at 9:14 am

Hell no, Jesus totes a minigun.

The Colonel June 22, 2015 at 11:34 am

Okay, what “rational gun control” would have stopped Roof?

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Frank Right June 22, 2015 at 11:46 am

There are too many guns out there. If all guns were confiscated–criminals would keep their guns. Law abiding citizens would eventually hand them over if demanded. Those who have no respect for law. Those who are most likely to commit a crime. Who have malicious intent. Nothing to lose. They would keep their guns. Law abiding citizens would be defenseless.

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Jim June 23, 2015 at 3:57 pm

His dad give him that gun as a gift has nothing to.do with gun laws we have good laws just have to use as they are designed as just like imagration laws we need to lnforce them not sketch more

DOUGLAS GILLARD June 23, 2015 at 10:38 am

There are 40,000 gun control laws that been added to the books since 1968 yet people like you act like no laws exist. How many laws have to be passed to convince you?

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Krazy Kat June 22, 2015 at 9:06 am

Anyone else think Glen McConnell has a lot to answer for in this? The seeds of division and intolerance he planted years ago take time to germinate. Now the fruit has been harvested. If there were riots I’d suggest the students at College of Charleston consider the President’s office as a focus.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm

The cowards in the statehouse will never do it because it is the right thing, but the threat that the embarrassment will be continuous and long-lasting may make them jump in the present heat to get it over with. They should be assured that the primary, especially the GOP primary, will talk of little else and that every GOPer candidate will be repeatedly cornered on the subject, with a national audience.

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2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 5:43 pm

Won’t have anything to do with ’embarrassment’. It will have to do with keeping the same Democrat Party paid operatives/voters that looted and burned Ferguson and Baltimore from doing the same to Charleston.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Well, I guess such white-trash hysterics and paranoia is a good enough excuse too. Whatever it takes.

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2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 6:06 pm

Paranoia? I watched you dumb fuck racist socialists burn down and loot Ferguson/Baltimore.Steal all the drugs from pharmacies.

Ain’t nothing paranoid about.Trash like YOU are the destroyer of norms in a community.

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Michael June 21, 2015 at 6:03 pm

You sir, know absolutely nothing.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:32 pm

SC, for once. Needs to get ahead of the issue at hand. Stop letting other states lead. Be a leader that we can all be proud of.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:33 pm

Quit race baiting.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:39 pm

Quit pandering.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm

Pandering to who? You and will are pandering.

Daniel Boome June 21, 2015 at 4:47 pm

If it’s true that the flag “is being used as the calling card for a dangerous, deadly new strain of racism”, then won’t removing it anger those who supposedly use it to commit violence? I just don’t understand the logic. How about we just remove it because it doesn’t mean a damn thing to this country. That’s all there is to it. Leave this past week’s events out of it. Why?

According to Roof’s website, he hated the American flag. So, if we are just reacting to him, shouldn’t the logic go like this: keep the confederate flag and destroy the American flag to make him less angry (and thus less likely to commit violence) or take down the confederate flag and keep the American flag and make him more angry (and thus more likely to commit violence). You see, these are the logical knots you tie yourself up with when you say the flag should be taken down based on what somebody has done (and may or may not have done so based on the flag).

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Michael June 21, 2015 at 6:00 pm

By your logic, we should also just leave terrorists alone because won’t we just make them more angry by trying to stop them? Or maybe we should amend our way of life to the way the terrorists believe we should live because if we don’t they might get angry and commit more acts of violence.

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Daniel Boome June 21, 2015 at 6:17 pm

What logic have I expounded? I was merely pointing out the FITS logic and so are you. FITS is basically he wants to remove a symbol that motivates hate, believing that it will put an end to violence. What sense does that make? Removing something that the haters love will end the hate and violence? It doesn’t make any sense which is why whether the flag should fly or not should be it’s own debate, not whether it should be removed because of what it supposedly does or does not motivate.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:05 pm

If you’re waiting for racists to catch up to modernity in this state, you’d be dead several times over.

There are times when we can’t wait for society to catch up to symbols and have to remove symbols from society to speed up the process. This is just such a case. Especially considering the CSA flag represents a nation that no longer exists. One that fought specifically (their words in the CSA constitution…not mine) for the right to own slaves. One that committed treason against the United States.

The men who fought for the CSA may have fought heroically but they are not heroes anymore than Waffen SS storm troopers are heroes.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Lyndon Johnson remarking on civil rights in 1957:

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”

Your right.This nation has changed.The Democrat Party has enslaved 2 generations of minorities into a life of perpetual poverty and hopelessness.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm

You consider voting rights and the ending of segregation as enslavement?

guest June 21, 2015 at 7:37 pm

Fuck you.You are FOREVER the minority! LMAO!!!!

Since Obama was first elected, Democrats have lost at least 14 Senate seats. (Louisiana is another likely loss.) The party has lost more than 70 seats in the House, and will field its smallest caucus in the next Congress since before FDR. Only 18 states have Democrat governors, compared to 29 states when Obama took office. Around 1,000 state legislative seats have shifted to the Republicans. The GOP will control 68 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, again the largest disparity since before FDR.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:43 pm

Fuck you back sir.

The electoral college math is shifting firmly into D’s control. The idea that the GOP (let alone any one of these pack of clowns now) will win the White House is absurd. American demographics are shifting to the left at the Federal level. Ohio and Florida have gone blue in the last two presidential cycles and add to that the solid purple/blue states of Colorado, Virginia and Penn. the GOP only has the old south and parts of the midwest. These are the same states you refer to in post above.

guest June 21, 2015 at 8:02 pm

That was pre-Obama.Whole different world.

Pre-Pogo June 22, 2015 at 9:12 am

Mid-Obama too.

Anyone remember FITS pre-Pogo? It was awesome wasn’t it? If only he’d leave like he continually promises.

Popular Vote June 22, 2015 at 9:11 am

The minority of the popular vote, who did that go to again? Oh yes, I remember!

Strom Thurmond June 22, 2015 at 9:10 am

Anyone remember my crazy filibuster and my stance against civil rights? Anyone remember what party I was in before I died?

JEANNE E. June 22, 2015 at 8:08 pm

They do this to themsekves and blame slavery (after sll these

years) and all whites.

There are many many successful people of color. Did you notice
we have a black president? Those who want to are not, were not held back.
Every perdon has a choice..wallow in what you feel is you destiny becsuse of …slavery? ?…or be as determined as those who are successful!!!!

guest June 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm

Since Obama was first elected, Democrats have lost at least 14 Senate seats. (Louisiana is another likely loss.) The party has lost more than 70 seats in the House, and will field its smallest caucus in the next Congress since before FDR. Only 18 states have Democrat governors, compared to 29 states when Obama took office. Around 1,000 state legislative seats have shifted to the Republicans. The GOP will control 68 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, again the largest disparity since before FDR.

Read it and WEEP!!!! DEms are FINISHED!!!! Ha Ha

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:48 pm

What you’re reporting is that the GOP has all but given up trying to legislate and enact at the Federal Level. Instead, there is a new neo-con position (thank you Koch bros) where they are looking to shift power back to the states a la 1860 style to get away with their treachery.

guest June 21, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Oh.You never learned that all politics is local? Ya damn fool why in the hell do you thinks dems want an influx of ILLEGALS?

Ding Ding!!! They know the American people have turned on the dems and they need NEW voters they can enslave with benefits for votes.

JEANNE E. June 22, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Although the reason for SC putting it up in 1962 no longer really exists, up or down is not going to change daily killings of blacks of blacks. This is an everyday occurence told on TV

news.It isn’t about . reparation.It is violence
against one another.I
do not know why this
truth is not spoken of
freely. They are not
taught as children not
to carry knives and or
guns. SO WHY IS IT
THAT WHEN WE ALL KNOW THIS, both black
and white, WHY ARE
THEY SURPRISED
THEY GET SHOT BY
WHITE. POLICE?? Why
don’t we hear this
“outrageous enough
to cause riots act” when a black police officer shoots snother black? I would like each state to keep a running totals of murders notating color vs color and POST THIS FOR ALL TO SEE. MSYBE THOSE WHO WSNT REPARATION Will finally see their focus should be on domething far more important.

People can”t be so blind they do not see. Are we that afraid to speak publically the truth.

Does anyone realize the position of fear of upsetting “others”” we are in…EXAMPLE:

A CITY IN GEORGIA, close to SC advertises their ANNUAL BLACK GALAS of one kind or another. DO YPU REALIZE THE LASHBACK and acts of hatred we would receive if we put acroo the top of the newspaper and on TV news and ads that there will be an ” ANNUAL WHITE GALA”
WOULD THIS BE TOLERATED?? ABSOLUTELY NOT… NOT IF A SCHOOL HAS TO CHSNGE A LOGO BECAUSE IT REMINDED THEM OF COLONR L SANDER?

So what is going to be is going to be flag up or fkag down…but it does keave an “excuse”for violence…anything

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Non-legal mind June 21, 2015 at 5:22 pm

I don’t think the flag compromise legislation which moved the flag from atop of the state house to street level is legal. The main provision of the compromise is that 2/3s of both chambers of the General Assembly are needed to remove the flag – something that is next to impossible to accomplish. There is a school of thought that actions taken by a prior General Assembly are not binding unless a constitutional amendment was involved. Think about it – do you think it was legal or constitutional for a past General Assembly to tell future legislatures that they cannot amend or kill bad laws? I’d like to see a court challenge on that. I am confident that the State Supremes would strike out the 2/3 vote provision and/or perhaps the entire law.

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A Good Sandlapper June 21, 2015 at 5:27 pm

Nikki Haley has been sincerely moved by this tragedy. Nikki should issue an Executive Order and remove the flag. She should dare the General Assembly to impeach her. They do not have the balls to do that. By removing the flag, Nikki will be seen as the most progressive governor in the nation, a darling of the media, and on fast track for pretty much any national office she may want.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 5:31 pm

Geez, I might vote for her if she did that. It’s ballsy too, kind of her style.

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Never June 21, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Nikki Haley will never do anything that might alienate her base of low information voters

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2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Nikki should tell EVERYONE of your sorry asses that have tried to destroy her and her family for a decade to kiss her ass.Flag stays.

She won’t do it.My guess is she will have the flag removed.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 6:27 pm

At a national level her route is probably appointment, where this tactic might well work to her favor.

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euwe max June 22, 2015 at 1:20 am

Yeah, but sincerity would mean she actually reached consciousness… that can’t happen… the projector would stop and the lights would come on.

2 step tango June 21, 2015 at 5:40 pm

My guess is Nikki will have the flag removed.American hating racists and homosexuals use threats of violence and boycotts to get their way on policy as a MAJORITY of Americans reject their politics and perversion.

Nikki has a heart for the people of SC. The flag shouldn’t be removed under the guise of blackmail however don’t think for a moment that the race hustlers like Rutherford ain’t ready to turn Charleston into Ferguson and Baltimore if she doesn’t.

Nikki knows it. I won’t hold it against her.She is a gift from God.

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9" June 21, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Not to pry,but would you like to cuddle after I fuck your ass ?

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Centrist View June 21, 2015 at 6:43 pm

Gov. Nikki remove the flag and challenge the legislature? Could work, since she cornered them them into approval a subprime loan for Volvo with balloon payments and $86 Million in interest payments.

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Haha June 21, 2015 at 6:55 pm

Hahaha!

Nikki Haley doesn’t have the guts to remove that flag.

Indeed,I expect her to become an advocate of keeping it up.

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Earllll June 21, 2015 at 5:43 pm

But… the FLAG has a ROCK in it’s SHOE!!!!!

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FastEddy23 June 21, 2015 at 5:45 pm

So y’all are still fretting about that old symbol of negativity to too many.

Is it possible to turn the South Carolina mind set in a bit of a more positive direction?

Isn’t there another symbol y’all could look forward to, look to the future from, look deeper into the real soul of South Carolina? … like, I don’t know, maybe …

That Church …

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 6:06 pm

Since a Christian church was attacked, would you, and the Democrat Party, allow for the replacement of the Confederate flag with a Christian flag, in honor of those gunned down in the House of the Lord? Since you claim it’s a flag of hate, and love is the opposite of hate. I think you’d sign off on the Christian flag if you are sincere in your concern for the murdered.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 6:09 pm

Excellent.However you would have better luck with the ISIS or gay flag. The old USSR ‘hammer and sickle’ might satisfy them.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Nah, because the racist mass murderer was probably Christian too. Don’t honor him.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 6:14 pm

He hates America, just as the Jihadists, and way too many in the Democrat Party. Is that why you oppose the Christians, and so hate them; you’re like the AME Murderer? He is not much different from Maj. Nadal Hasan, who you protect. Will you in the end, protect Roof, too, because he hates like you?

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Sol June 21, 2015 at 6:41 pm

All that is important to understand is that Mr. Roof hates himself. The rest of the hate is just extra.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:24 pm

He specifically said he hates black people. He had a web page and manifesto. He explicitly used the rebel flag to demonstrate his racism.

In terms of other incidents, isn’t interesting how Fox News and the right paints the tragedies? When Hassan did what he did…it was “Islamic Terrorism”. When the Norway shooter did what he did, instead of it being Christian terrorism (which it was), they labeled it a “horrendous crime”.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:19 pm

Why would we do that? The US is not a theocracy. Nor is S.C. The only flags that deserve to fly are the US and S.C. flags.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:31 pm

I am confused. Roof burned the American flag and hates America like YOU!

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm

Because I suggest we should fling a symbol of overt racism into the annals of hellish history, merely using my First Amendment rights, means I hate America?

I see, so anyone who disagrees with you is anti-American? Hitler much?

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:39 pm

Since Obama was first elected, Democrats have lost at least 14 Senate seats. (Louisiana is another likely loss.) The party has lost more than 70 seats in the House, and will field its smallest caucus in the next Congress since before FDR. Only 18 states have Democrat governors, compared to 29 states when Obama took office. Around 1,000 state legislative seats have shifted to the Republicans. The GOP will control 68 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, again the largest disparity since before FDR.

LOSER!!!! This nation has changed. Bye Bye Dems!!!

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm

That doesn’t speak of a horse’s posterior on the main topic.

guest June 21, 2015 at 7:49 pm

The main topic on this thread appears to be whether the good people of SC and the people they have elected to serve will be blackmailed with the threat of violence and boycotts to take that flag down.

The election data i provided shows they are tired of pandering socialists like you trying to dictate and establish the norms in a community.

nitrat June 21, 2015 at 7:43 pm

No, like you.
No one can serve two masters.

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:49 am

Right. Roof is just more honest about how he really feels.

soxinsc June 21, 2015 at 7:28 pm

Why only recognize Christianity? Jews also fought and died for the South.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm

Freedom of Speech. You can put that Christian flag in your front yard. Unlikely anyone would disagree. As a contrarian, I like to see the other side of what IFS. What if I have private property. Road Frontage. I place a sign in a very conservative town that reads: God is Dead and quote philosopher. Spaced 1/8 mile down from a Bible scripture.

I don’t believe that. But hypothetically, would people in this conservative town react. Would my life be in danger. Yes.

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holy wut? June 21, 2015 at 8:34 pm

Those poor Christian souls at the AME church have forgiven the devil that murdered 9 people in their church and you really believe a Christian would harm you for a sign?

What a sad life you must live.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 8:49 pm

Some have forgiven. If they can forgive– we can too. Most are an exception. Not the rule. Their grief is beyond words that I might grind.

Yes. Some of the Christians would harm me for a sign. They bomb fucking abortion clinics. Just not that church. That church , many have expressed no care for.

They show love, fear and likely anger in their heart.

What a sad life that must be to live.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm

Violence against abortion clinics is wrong.Killing ‘Tiller the Killer’ was wrong despite him performing 9 month abortions.

I once ‘walked’ in front of an abortion clinic in Fort Wayne, Ind-protesting peacefully. About every 40 minutes a nurse would come to the glass door and hold up her fingers. The number of fingers represented the number of children the clinic had butchered at that moment-for the day. She smiled and was proud in her taunting way.

I believe YOU would have liked her. :)

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:13 pm

You May Be Right.

The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:46 am

Not only do they bomb abortion clinics, but some of them will bomb random people, in locations not even remotely connected to abortion clinics. And when they do that, they have ample support from other “Christians.” Case in point, Eric Rudolph’s bomb, set at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta, 1996.

I think pogo-flip (holy wut?) would be OK with that. Because if even one godless heathen satanic abortion lover got offed in the process, the others would go straight to heaven because God had used them for good. Or some other deranged theocrat winger bullshit.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 6:32 pm

I like the idea of Nikki stepping to the forefront and taking the flag down. That means the flag-worshiper legislators would have to take overt action to put it back up, rather than getting their way as now by simply quietly and anonymously doing nothing. “Overt action” and “back up” might well be too politically painful.

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~Get Real June 21, 2015 at 6:49 pm

I find the amount of time and energy being wasted on whether we should keep this flag is outrageous.

We have more important issues to discuss and deal with – one of which is the number of people in this state on government assistance of some type.

Or the fact that we have nine ‘too big to fail’ banks in this country which have unsustainable derivatives. If you don’t know what a derivative is, take the time to educate yourself on what this could look like for all of us… this is not a scare tactic, it is a fact. http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html

If neither of the above gets your attention, then maybe educating yourself on the Global Financial Crisis can… Ask yourself why the US and Japan both have unsustainable debt. Ask yourself what happen when Yellen stopped QE4… If you said, I believe Japan picked it up… you are correct. Ask Why? http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/world_debt/world_debt.html

Ask what a bail-in is about. Which is predicted to be the next direction the US will go in to deal with our “too big to fail” banking institutions.

Bail-in and the Confiscation of Bank Deposits: The Birth of the New Financial Order | http://www.globalresearch.ca/bail-in-the-birth-of-the-new-financial-order/5330946

Come on people, we are going to require the state legislature to return to Cola to determine the flags placement or lack thereof. The real issues make this look like child’s play.

Get over it and

~get real

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:28 pm

Thousands at the rally and millions across the country would disagree.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:43 pm

I DON”T THINK SO!!!!

Since Obama was first elected, Democrats have lost at least 14 Senate seats. (Louisiana is another likely loss.) The party has lost more than 70 seats in the House, and will field its smallest caucus in the next Congress since before FDR. Only 18 states have Democrat governors, compared to 29 states when Obama took office. Around 1,000 state legislative seats have shifted to the Republicans. The GOP will control 68 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, again the largest disparity since before FDR.

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~Get Real June 21, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Hmmm.

No offense but read paragraph two for my response to your statement…. it starts by saying “we have more important issues…” and ends with “… government assistance of some type.” I would bet that made up the majority of your thousands…

Secondly, who told you there were thousands? MSM? and millions across the nation? did you get that from the MSM as well? Well let’s take that one to the bank. On second thought you better read about bail-ins first.

~get real

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 8:31 pm

Hand over your social security card… then we’ll talk about gov’t assistance.

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~Get Real June 21, 2015 at 9:01 pm

I would love to have that revoked… I am paying a butt load into it and will never (and I can use the word never here) have an opportunity to take advantage of it.

If you can’t follow that logic, my recommendation is that you study some of michael maloney’s work on what will happen in the next few years when the Baby Boomers (BB) retire and Generation X’s inability to support the retirement of the BB’s.

Why is that? Because there aren’t enough of them. You see each generation is borrowing from the next to meet the needs of the retired. The following graph will give you an idea of what I am talking about. http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/01/FT_15.01.15_births.png

So 76M BB and 55M X’s… Which is one of the reasons why the age of retirement is being moved up … because the X’er’s can’t handle it all. And while the Millennials are a good size, most of them are unemployed… can’t find a job. Which leads me to the student loan debacle and another failure of the financial system that is about to crash down on us. In fact, some are saying this will be a key issue of the 2016 elections.

“…Student loan debt will be a key issue in the 2016 presidential election.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/student-debt-crisis/

So back to your statement of handing over my SS card. I am more than happy to hand over my SS card, as long as I can keep what I earn… I know I will do a better job.

And the flag issue remains a waste of energy.

~get real

Comrade1917 June 21, 2015 at 7:03 pm

Comrade Hillary will unite us under the banner of International Socialism!

Forward, comrades.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:06 pm

If only. I wish that were the case. Too many rednecks and Fox News chuckleheads in America.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 8:48 pm

Looks like many of em are marching tonight.Watching live feed from WIS and 90% of the participants appear to be white.

God Bless them rednecks. :)

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 7:08 pm

Obercommandant “Ernst Roehm” Graham will unite us under the National Socialist banner for another round of Drang nach Osten.

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Comrade1917 June 21, 2015 at 7:16 pm

National Socialism is a leftist “BROWN REVOLUTION.”

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Nice try.

Thyssen and Krupp and Henry Ford socialists, yeah right.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:11 pm

Enough outcry from the people and they will take the flag down. In session or out of session. The forgiveness of the family who lost loved one is a sign of goodwill. Time for the rest of SC to return that goodwill and cast racism aside.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Depends. Most state legislators are comfortably ensconced in their seats (white GOP reps that is). Their constituents aren’t exactly busting a gut to take the flag down if you catch my drift.

However, if external factors, primarily multi-national corporations that want to invest in S.C., have a problem with the flag…then you may start to see some real action.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 7:38 pm

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right -Thomas Paine.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 7:50 pm

I think a majority of the people see it as ignorance and exploitation for you to try to connect the lives of these Christians to your self-serving political schemes.
Take the flag down if you want, but your timing is classless and degrading.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 7:54 pm

I liked her better as Garbage.Name fit.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:02 pm

I don’t know who Garbage is, but I know who you are. You smell like a shit house door on a tuna boat.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 8:12 pm

The flag will come down.Nikki is a decent person that loves SC and she understands that if she doesn’t, South Carolina will be looted and burn like Ferguson and Baltimore-only worse.

That is the way you liberals operate on race issues and gay marriage-threats and boycotts.

Quit stoking the racial flames of hate. You won. Those 9 Christian souls matter NOT to those of you pushing your socialist,American hating agenda.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 21, 2015 at 8:14 pm

Or to those pushing their racist, pro gun agenda.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:18 pm

If they had a gun in the church, could they not have better protected the flock? My faith rests with a gun, not people.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:22 pm

Ahh, a soulmate to Roof then. His faith was the same.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:24 pm

Go find your ass fucker SSFH. His faith was crazy!

Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Faith in his gun, just like the rest of you GOPer gunfondlers.

Manipulate your metal manhoods.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:27 pm

I see you got your balls back tonight. What time does your significant other want them back?

2 for 1 Deal June 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm

Lets remove the South Carolina state flag also. It was adopted during the early part of the civil war by slave masters and represents slavery. We can kill two birds with one stone.

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Guest June 21, 2015 at 7:31 pm

Would you also support replacing the Democrat Party’s flag with the flag of ISIS, since you both have many of the same initiatives and the support of the current U.S. President?

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:16 pm

The Confederate flag IS essentially the southern strategy GOP banner.

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euwe max June 22, 2015 at 1:12 am

one racist eye gathering votes, the other looking sadly up at Jesus, who is nominally blessing them for their self sacrifice in enduring baseless criticism.

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SAM June 21, 2015 at 8:15 pm

The flag is not the problem its the sorry ass lawmakers that the morons keep putting back in office.

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Who June 21, 2015 at 8:24 pm

people like race baiter #1 Todd Rutherford? Yeah, those are some morons that keep voting him in.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:05 pm

WWJD?

What would Jake do?

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Trumpet's Sounding from Heaven June 21, 2015 at 9:09 pm

WWJD:

What would Jeremiah (Wright) Do?

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm

90% white people marching tonight. Those racist rednecks ya been talking bout.
Where is the ‘hood’?

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:16 pm

I don’t believe whites are racist. I believe it is time to put the symbol that we are to bed in a museum.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:19 pm

With ‘affirmative action’ ?

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:20 pm

No. Simple apology and acknowledgement.

guest June 21, 2015 at 9:22 pm

For what?

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:25 pm

For fucking killing them maybe. For decades, centuries of fucking racism. That’s a start.

Quietus June 21, 2015 at 9:29 pm

What would you opinion of flying one of the following at the memorial or moving the memorial to memorial park in Columbia with one of the “other” confederate flags flying.

Stars and Bars (National Flag of the Confederacy) – https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861-1863%29.svg/810px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861-1863%29.svg.png

Big Red – http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-sccit.gif

Bonnie Blue – https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Bonnieblue.svg/1020px-Bonnieblue.svg.png

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:30 pm

The confederacy went through many flags. None are relevant today.

Quietus June 21, 2015 at 9:33 pm

On a confederate soldiers memorial they are relevant. I’m open to moving the memorial to Memorial Park in Columbia with the other war memorials, but removing the flag would be akin to removing the US flag from the Vietnam Memorial or the WWII Memorial.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:11 pm

On their memorial. I agree. In a museum. I agree. Flying high. I disagree.

Quietus June 21, 2015 at 10:30 pm

The flag currently flies behind the memorial as part of the memorial. The pole it is on is shorter than the memorial, so it’s not flying high. That’s a picture looking straight at the state house. Notice the flag isn’t visible because it’s behind the memorial. All the shots the media including Will’s above show are take from one side and from a low position to get an angle that makes the flag look taller and near the capitol building.

http://pictures.dealer.com/d/dickdyervolvovcna/1388/786d1fc3efd2bf6bfc18cdbf0e9618f4x.jpg

Non-exagerated side view. http://www.beachamjournal.com/.a/6a01053653b3c7970b0133eca0ebbe970b-800wi

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:39 pm

It’s on statehouse grounds. I am sorry for the soldiers. Your point is made, but I disagree that flag should be flown anywhere near the state house.

Solider’s die for their country, their state, their beliefs. I respect that. I also respect the living. I live in the moment, forward looking. I think most people do. It isn’t a lack of respect. It is respect. Let the soldiers rest. Let them be remembered. But let them die too. The biggest fear of death for most is those who cannot let them go.

They will always be remembered, but if I were a soldier, I wouldn’t remembered that way. True soldiers don’t require hero worship. True soldiers, do what is right for their county.

True soldiers of war, don’t hold a grudge, but regret.

guest June 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm

God what a pile of horseshit! Night all.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 11:10 pm

Night Horse’s posterior.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:59 pm

One of many solutions. Display it in a case on the memorial.

euwe max June 22, 2015 at 1:11 am

maybe they should fly a vestigial tail on the corner to commemorate their simian heritage, as well.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:19 pm

Memorial park, I would likely agree with, unless numerous memorial parks started to flood the area. Flying a flag in a memorial park is respecting those who died for state causes, agree or disagree, they fought for their government at the time. Times have changed, but they were part of that change. They died for the cause. Move all monuments, both black and white to a memorial area.

Quietus June 21, 2015 at 10:31 pm

Memorial Park in Columbia is about one mile down the road from the statehouse. It’s a very nice park.

Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Likely few or no Republicans though.

Those missing include the racist rednecks.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:21 pm

LMAO!!! There are only 10 white democrats in SC!

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The Buzzman June 22, 2015 at 7:56 am

So those are all Republicans, except for maybe 10 of the white ones and all of the black ones.

Good to know. that would make you odd man out — if you actually lived in SC.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 22, 2015 at 1:03 am

You can tell by looking to see who still has their teeth.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 9:29 pm

That is a great thing, one we should be praising. Not spreading division. WTF cares where the ‘hood’ is, my guess mourning. That 90% white. Compare that to states 28% +/- black. Of course the majority is white. Thank God.

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Concerned for SC June 21, 2015 at 9:24 pm

SC has spent way too much of the taxpayer’s money to continue the discussion of the Confederate flag in the General Assembly. SC is not the only state and place in the South where the Confederate flag is displayed or visible. The agreement was between all parties concerned. The flag is a symbol of SC history. We may not be proud of everything that has transpired but it is all history. SC school children study Black History for a month each school year. They have the opportunity to learn about the contributions the Blacks have done and continue to do.

Contrary to Mr. Rutherford— FOX news is not to blame for what a very troubled young man did. He is an embarrassment to the SC Democrats and should give up his leadership position.

The State of SC will heal, but removing the Confederate is not the cure all.
Our school system and our society alone will be a good beginning.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:32 pm

“SC has spent way too much of the taxpayer’s money to continue the discussion of the Confederate flag in the General Assembly”
Correct, stop wasting time and money: just take it down.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:34 pm

I tend to agree before you people start looting and burning.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:33 pm

Democrats and liberals lie.NO agreement is worth the piece of paper it is written on.

Haley has TWO problems, in my opinion.One is the Republican establishment wants this issue gone (led by RINO losers Romney and Bush). The second problem is SC going up in flames when Sharpton and the race hustlers get the word/wink from….???? :)

Haley will lead an effort to take the flag down. You really can’t blame her for protecting the businesses and citizens of SC.

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cwatt June 21, 2015 at 9:33 pm

Well said. It’s also important to point out that no one is saying an individual can’t fly it, or use it as a dish rag, but it has NO place on public property. Least of all on State House grounds.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:36 pm

Why?

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cwatt June 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Why what? Why point it out? Because in the midst of over-reaction (as with guns) there are too many who will miss the point that many of us simply want the flag off of State House and public grounds. I could not care less what someone does in private.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:42 pm

Like Obama said ‘elections have consequences’. Elect more racist liberals in SC if you want change.

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cwatt June 21, 2015 at 9:44 pm

“racist liberals” — please provide an example. Or do you need to check with Fox News before responding?

guest June 21, 2015 at 9:54 pm

lol…I got a HUNDRED names…have you ever wondered why Democrats can’t get elected in SC?

Look in the mirror. :)

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:46 pm

I’m not saying you suck a dick, but you might hold it your mouth for a while. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with that.

guest June 21, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Say what SYNTwist? No hard feelings. This is your best performance yet. Carry on.

Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Does your fucking pussy hurt? Boo Hoo. Keep Guessing.

Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 9:36 pm

I think for the first time there is a very real possibility that the flag worshipers are going to lose big time.

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guest June 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm

You may be right. Who wants to have their home or business looted or burned? Their children harmed in riots.

Racists like you and ‘zero’ watt don’t get it.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 21, 2015 at 11:03 pm

You and your conservative ilk are the racists. The whole nation knows it and certainly all black people know it. But it makes you feel better to prattle on.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 11:19 pm

His conservative ilk maybe. Please don’t confuse all of us with his limp dick.

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God Damn SC Lawmakers. June 21, 2015 at 10:29 pm

OMG!!!!! … check this out! >>>” SC budget to include $800 bonus for state employees” … Over 23,000 state workers to be given with your money, $800.00 bonuses each. Have you seen what they are being paid already???? Their wages and salaries are way above what the norm is for SC private sector jobs. And they already gets like 12 weeks of PAID time off as it is!

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 10:30 pm

Yeah, we are all really fucking surprised this shit still happen in SC.

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Fuck You Leatherman June 21, 2015 at 10:35 pm

Me thinks the lawmakers are trying to pay off state employees. Ya know, silence them from turning whistleblower?

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Beartrkkr June 21, 2015 at 11:14 pm

What private sector jobs? Highway Patrolman? Engineer? Correction worker? Park Ranger? Social Worker? You can go here: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/sc/default.cfm and join in the largess…

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debbie8431 June 21, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Thank you for this. Glad you see it now.

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 11:49 pm

The article is circuitous. We may agree. What are you glad to see?

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Frank Right June 21, 2015 at 11:32 pm

I don’t know about some of you toads on the site, but if I had to guess, many are green. This is the comment section where everybody got a game . In this case. Put your best game face on. Just keep gambling til you got nothing left but a shell of a person.

When you see the black community reaching out. Willing to compromise in spite of their pain. and choose to do nothing. All you gun ho assholes who want to kill everyone, while they beg for forgiveness. THEY are trying to make peace, yet you are waging a senseless war.

The black community has shown so much more pride and dignity than the assholes worried about a fucking flag.

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Bree June 22, 2015 at 12:10 am

Why so angry and full of hate?

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euwe max June 22, 2015 at 1:06 am

Sounds more like frustration to me….

I mean, ‘assholes’ is pretty mild in that context.

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It's time June 22, 2015 at 1:14 am

SC finally has a chance to “transcend” the always messy question of what the flag represents and take it down as an act of solidarity with a group of Christians that paid the ultimate price for their faith. Lee surrendered his banner, I’m certain, not because he changed his mind about the propriety of his cause, but simply because it became the right and necessary thing to do for his people. Today’s South Carolinians – black and white – have suffered enough from the weight of this banner, and it’s now time to retire it once again. If SC has a leader with half the honor that Lee had, the flag will be moved before the Charleston martyrs are all buried.

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John Eady June 22, 2015 at 1:45 am

Wow what a way to drown out real issues…. The images of a man that killed 9 people being handled with kid gloves escorted in protective custody…..two months earlier in the same city images of a man shot to death following a traffic stop…..I intentionally left race out of this so you can decide whether removing a piece of history or making it harder to protect your family would have made a difference…..?????

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 22, 2015 at 6:56 am

It”s the Klan’s and the National States Rights Party’s and the Council of Conservative [White] Citizens’ and the Skinheads’ flag now. The south surrendered it in the 50s and 60s. THEN was the time to talk of honor and heritage . . . but there was none to talk of.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 22, 2015 at 7:17 am

Conservatives won’t do the decent thing because today’s conservatives–sadly especially the southern ones–lack the decency.

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RogueElephant June 22, 2015 at 8:51 am

If and when the flag is removed, it will be interesting to see what the next “hot button issue” the left will use to divide us.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 22, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Topple Tillman!

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Fecal Matters June 22, 2015 at 8:54 am

I think it truly does mean very different things to many people. I also think there are valid points on both sides of the division, but in an effort for everybody to STHU on both sides, please put it in a museum. People can continue to fly them on their private property, but take it off the state grounds and put it a few blocks away in the SC State Museum. It still won’t be good enough for people, on both sides, who benefit from the controversy, but at least it would show the rest of the United States, and world, that people can agree to disagree and find a proper place to honor (or abhor) the history. However one might interpret it.

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OneQuestion June 22, 2015 at 9:03 am

What about Senate rule 24 which prevents the budget being used to change permanent law. I think this would clearly be an example of that and therefore you would not be able to remove the flag with a proviso.

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Yep June 22, 2015 at 12:02 pm

Part 2 provisos are a whole ‘nother animal.

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CallMeSmash June 22, 2015 at 10:23 am

For more on this issue, look at the Facebook page Take the flag down SC and come to the rally at the SC state house on July 4th starting at 2pm!

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Manray9 June 22, 2015 at 11:22 am

If the SC General Assembly approves removal of the Confederate flag, I’ll be flabbergasted.

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Krazy Kat June 22, 2015 at 11:26 am Reply
Black flagg June 22, 2015 at 12:54 pm

If you all pony up a $1000 or bail money. Whichever is greater. I’ll remove the confederate flag from that pole in about 30-45 minutes. Depending. And I’ll make it stay down. Don’t ask me how. Just have $1000 in $20 bills in a brown bag near the flag today at 4pm. How I get that flag down is my business.
But you won’t be disappointed.

It’s relatively easy
Totally legal
And I thought of it

But you’re gonna have to pay me.
Guaranteed results.

Money back guarantee

I grow tired of the ignorance

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