Justin Amash Is Coming To SC

This website has shown some love in the past toward U.S. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan). He’s one of a only a handful of true free market fiscal conservatives in the U.S. Congress, not to mention one of the few genuine defenders of liberty in our nation’s capital. Which is why we…

This website has shown some love in the past toward U.S. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan). He’s one of a only a handful of true free market fiscal conservatives in the U.S. Congress, not to mention one of the few genuine defenders of liberty in our nation’s capital.

Which is why we heart him …

Anyway, we’ve just been told Amash is a late addition to next month’s “Charleston Meeting” – an invitation only gathering of establishment Republicans in Charleston, S.C. organized by GOP gadfly Mallory Factor.

Headlining this event? U.S. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) … whose visit we previewed here.

Why is this late addition interesting?

Because in assessing who is emerging as the “next Ron Paul” in Washington, D.C. we have noted previously how it’s been Amash – not Rand Paul – inheriting that mantle (well, up until U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz’s big anti-Obamacare filibuster).

“More than perhaps any other member of the U.S. Congress – including U.S. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) – Michigan Congressman Justin Amash (R-Michigan) is emerging as the ideological heir to the uncompromising libertarian legacy of former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul,” we wrote.

Anyway … it will be very interesting to see what each of these gentlemen have to say to the so-called “movers and shakers” of the establishment GOP in early-voting South Carolina.

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Columbia PD October 31, 2013 at 3:54 pm

I long for the day, which I believe will come, when you, Amash, Paul, Cruz, and the rest of the so-called “freedom loving” neo-nazis are permanently relegated to purely minority status. Meanwhile, I wait and scratch my head at how such reactionaries as you bunch of right wing, tea nuts are taken for anything other than a bad joke.

MaceSucks October 31, 2013 at 4:10 pm

It’s a politics born out of fear. They’re taking their country back. Based on Cruz’s recent antics and the terrorist tactics of the shutdown-over-a-law-that-they-don’t-like fiasco, I’d say they’re trying to take it back from democracy.

kill the messenger October 31, 2013 at 5:18 pm

Yeah those fear-mongerers only tried to tell us 3 years ago about the mess that is, and the deceits of, Obamacare. Such a self-serving bunch of henny-pennies. Obama and his elite minions have all the finesse and expertise of George W. along with arrogance on overdrive. But hey, they appreciate that you still have your blinders on.

lexguy October 31, 2013 at 5:25 pm

This country is NOT a democracy!

nitrat November 1, 2013 at 9:12 am

Well, it’s certainly easy to tell with the Hastert Rule and filibuster for the sake of filibuster that the once GOP certainly does NOT believe in majority rule.

Bitching about the 6% October 31, 2013 at 4:36 pm

You don’t have to long for that day, it’s already here. Uniformity of thought is everywhere.

You just haven’t learned to enjoy it properly.

nitrat November 1, 2013 at 9:10 am

They are ‘purely minority’ now.
Have never represented over 30% of the populace and that’s sinking fast.

guest November 1, 2013 at 10:03 am

It will be a sorry day when these “lunatics” have all died off, but you have yet to see it.

Bill November 1, 2013 at 5:10 pm

Even the Republicans are finally beginning to understand what nuts these people truly are.
“In a warning shot to outside conservative groups, the National Republican Senatorial Committee this week informed a prominent Republican advertising firm that it would not receive any contracts with the campaign committee because of its work with a group that targets incumbent Senate Republicans,” the New York Times reports.

“Even more striking, a senior official at the committee called individual Republican Senate campaigns and other party organizations this week and urged them not to hire the firm, Jamestown Associates, in an effort to punish them for working for the Senate Conservatives Fund, a group founded by Jim DeMint, then a South Carolina senator, that is trying to unseat Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, and some other incumbents up for re-election next year whom it finds insufficiently conservative.”

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm

The TEA party IS America. You suck on the hind teat of America.

MashPotato October 31, 2013 at 10:31 pm

Amash is definitely the next Ron Paul, ideology directing his actions. Rand has fallen on the political sword, embracing the Republican brand and doing what’s politically advantageous. Amash, then, is a more reliable congressmen while Paul wields more influence.

I used to be disappointed with Rand, but I’ve since accepted that as long as Rand opposes the Fed the way daddy raised him, he’ll be the best senator and presidential candidate from his party.

Hillary Supporter October 31, 2013 at 10:41 pm

I agree. Hes great!Please make him your presidential candidate.

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm

So you’ll be supporting the liar, thief, and cheat.. (and possibly murderer [remember Ron Brown])

cuvinny November 1, 2013 at 11:20 am

So hes the next Ron Paul? So he will be irrelevant and unknowned outside of internet fan boys?

MashPotato November 1, 2013 at 3:36 pm

Hah! Even the president has a Twitter account. Social media is affecting politics more and more every day. Try again.

MyDaddyIsRich October 31, 2013 at 11:20 pm

He better worry about holding hi seat rather then kiss the asses of these lunatics.

The Colonel November 1, 2013 at 7:44 am

What you need to know about Amash:
An academic over acheiver, he’s a valedictorian and magna com laude grad with degrees in economics and law
Other than “legal consulting” at his family’s business he’s never had a real job
He likes Hayek
He supported Ron Paul’s campaign financially

In other words – nothing to see here, move along.

JC November 1, 2013 at 10:07 am

You act like him being an academic and reading Austrian monetary theory is somehow a bad thing. If more people were as well versed in economics and law as Amash, instead of being the ignorant asses that comprise the overwhelming majority of the electorate in this country, we might not be $17 trillion in debt, fighting endless wars in various parts of the world and creeping towards a totalitarian surveillance state. Most folks that “have a real job” are the lowest common denominator, who are so stupid that they are influenced by 60-second propaganda to sway who they choose to be the leader of the free world. Those people should not vote.

The Colonel November 1, 2013 at 10:42 am

Wow – okay starting from the top:

He’s an “over achiever” – academic achievement is a tremendous thing, it’s the “anything for a grade” crowd that concerns me.

Studying economics is a great thing – it’s the choice of economist he studied and espouses that concerns me, Hayek’s “Pure Theory of Capital” view is flawed and ultimately a roadmap to failure. I’d go with
“Freakonomics” over Hayek as a “text book” any day.

We got $17,000,000,000,000 by spending money we didn’t have – blame any theorist you want, they’ve all been cited in the “system” that got us there. I’d probably go with Dave Ramsey as my financial advisor over all the great minds that have been involved so far.

You’re obviously clueless about what a real job is. The cat who works at the 7-11, who pays his bills and shows up on time, has a “real job”. But so does my multi degreed, sum a cum laude, corporate VP, brother. He didn’t get the job because of a familial relationship; he got it by mastering the four “E”s, effort, education, exposure and endurance. I have a friend who “swings a hammer for a living” because he enjoys it – he also owns more rental properties than most rental management companies manage. He has a high school diploma and a couple of tech school certifications – he probably knows as much about economics as any professor at USC (you know the # 1 business school in the country USC?) – the reason I know that is because he’s often invited to speak to many of the entrepreneurship classes they teach.

There’s nothing wrong with have a “real job” – the country was built by folks working “real jobs” and it stays afloat because we’re still in the majority.

JC November 1, 2013 at 11:11 am

Hayek’s views on monetary theory are not freakish, nor are they necessarily flawed. One need only look to the abandonment of Bretton Woods in the early 1970’s and the resulting explosion of our national debt to understand that Hayek’s views on the benefits of a commodity backed currency were not unfounded. And Hayek’s main point was that Keynesian economic central planning inevitably leads to a loss of political freedom, as the need to control from an economic standpoint inevitably leads to political control. Given the NSA, the Patriot Act and the loss of civil liberties in the post-9/11 era, I would say his analysis was spot on. And there is nothing wrong with having a “real job”, but our Founders were much more in the mold of academics and intellectuals, who were more versed in Enlightenment philosophy and political economy than farming. They understood that without a citizenry educated in these fields, the government need not apply force to control its people, as the citizens would be too stupid to know any better. The guy at the 7-11 may have a real job, but there’s a greater chance that he believes Obama was born in Kenya, the world is 6,000 years old, there are terrorists on every corner and Iran will blow us up with a nuke if we don’t invade them. Forgive me for hoping he stays home in 2016.

The Colonel November 1, 2013 at 11:31 am

The problem with elitist is – they truly believe they’re something special.

Brief Retort November 1, 2013 at 11:32 am

Bingo!!! You and I agree on that.

Brief Retort November 1, 2013 at 11:31 am

“Hayek’s “Pure Theory of Capital” view is flawed and ultimately a roadmap to failure.”

How so? Do you believe in the management of interest rates?

“I’d probably go with Dave Ramsey as my financial advisor over all the great minds that have been involved so far.”

Ramsey is somewhat of a hypocrite. Do you know how he made his wealth?

He bought a bunch of real estate, filed bankruptcy and got to hold onto most of it and instantly started generating positive cash flow.

Is that the model you would like to emulate?

As far as Amash goes, I don’t like him either-he’s a bloviating hypocrite that spouts platitudes & cliche’s to the “liberty crowd” without fully representing them and I have my doubts whether he even fully understands the concepts he mentions in passing.

Regardless of that, maximum freedom in economics and our governing systems should be the goal. “Just the right amount of control” hasn’t and will not work.

The Colonel November 1, 2013 at 11:45 am

I’ll go with the Ramsey personal economic model, in fact I have – it works.
I know about his past. I’m not offering him up as a model to emulate but I am offering his economic plan as a model to emulate. That said, the Dave Ramsey of today might in fact be someone to emulate – he’s always been upfront about where he was and how he got set aright. It wasn’t quite as simple as “it…instantly started generating positive cash flow…”

Not so Brief Retort November 2, 2013 at 3:18 pm

“Hayek’s models require bankers to act against their own best interest in managing interest rates.”

What? Explain what you mean please. I have not read where Hayek ever endorses bankers managing interest rates. He says interest rates should be market determined.

“He explains away natural deviation in the business cycle with the idea that the business misallocated resources.”


That why it’s important you understand his views on interest rates(which you don’t so far by what you’ve written).

“systems break down without input, they do not spontaneously organize themselves”

That is how a true free market works. Go get 3 estimates on the same service on your car, notice that 95% of the time they will be close to each other. That is the nature of spontaneous order. The other 5% will most likely end up out of business after some time.

Slartibartfast November 1, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Hayek was not a Liberal, regardless of what Wikipedia says. He was a prescient libertarian free market trader. I like it that Amash supports libertarians, especially military supporters like Rand Paul (I know.. you think he sucks.. but he doesn’t – he just didn’t like the Iraq war, but he also didn’t want to pull out like Big Ears.) I’ve never been jealous of people richer than I. You don’t sound like that kind of person, either.

None of us are perfect, but you could be off the mark on this one.. I know I’m not perfect. You know I like and even support you from time to time, so please don’t think I’m flaming you. We’ll talk about the bankers working against their own interest at another time.

The Colonel November 2, 2013 at 2:00 am

I would agree the Hayek wasn’t a liberal; he clearly meets most of the tests for a Libertarian (not sure where he stodd on smoking pot…). Maybe I should have paid better attention 26 years ago but all I got out of Hayek in school was he had an over worked view of the business cycle and he expected bankers to act like they had no self interest. Hayek said of Milton Friedman (whom I do tend to agree with) “…“Milton and I agree on almost everything except monetary policy.”Friedman said of Hayek, “…I am an enormous admirer of Hayek, but not for his economics. I think Prices and Production is a very flawed book. I think his …Pure Theory… is unreadable…” There is a great analysis of Friedman and Hayek from an economist at Auburn Hayek and Friedman: Head to Head by Roger W. Garrison
All of that said, I hated economics and could be completely wrong.

As for Rand Paul, I like Rand – it’s his dad that I can’t figure out. I have
some Libertarian views but so many “Libertarians” are really closeted anarchist.

? November 2, 2013 at 3:06 pm

It’s the little “l” that are closeted anarchists, not the big “L”‘s.

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Did you and the Colonel see those two nifty videos on Hayek vs Keynes? Great comparison in a truly entertaining way. They’re on Youtube.com

? November 2, 2013 at 5:14 pm

If you are referring to the raps, yes I have, and they are quite good. Technically accurate and fun too.

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Yep. Love ’em!

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 3:55 pm

Nobody likes economics. It changes from professor to professor. (also, see my comment to “?”, below)

? November 3, 2013 at 12:40 am

A good primer on Hayek since Slarti brought it up:


When you are doing with that one, search for “round 2 hayek”

? November 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm

You two are forgetting the definition change of the word “liberal” in Hayek’s time.

Classical Liberal is more in line with “conservative” before the Reagan years…neither of which reflect neo-conservatism or the current usage of the word “liberal” in a political sense.

Slartibartfast November 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm

You are quite right. But there are only so many rabbits I can chase at one time.

Melanie Deisla November 2, 2013 at 2:52 am

Sounds a lot like Obama, except change the Ron Paul for Karl Marx or Saul Alinsky.

nitrat November 1, 2013 at 9:01 am

The Real Rational Republicans and their smart business supporters plan to primary Amash with a candidate with some sense.
I wonder how George W. Bush feels about his bundler Mallory Factor shilling for the TEA Party freaks?

Stephan November 1, 2013 at 5:54 pm

He’s probably looking for properties to move to after the RINOs have him kicked out of Congress.

SCBlues November 1, 2013 at 9:13 pm

I know many on these threads will find it difficult to believe but I was not invited to The Charleston Meeting . . .


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