CAN THEY AIM, THOUGH?
Depending on what poll you’re looking at, roughly half of “Republican” primary voters in South Carolina believe governor Nikki Haley and the S.C. General Assembly made the wrong decision in removing the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House this summer.
Oh, and the intensity of those flag supporters burns much brighter and hotter than flag opponents … especially when you get into the conservative Upstate region of the Palmetto State.
It is the definitive wedge issue … and legislators are expecting it to claim multiple incumbents during the 2016 election cycle.
But will it?
As we reported exclusively during the acrimonious debate over the flag, neo-Confederate (a.k.a. Southern Heritage) groups in South Carolina are badly splintered. In fact they are literally at each other’s throats.
According to our sources, more dissension is coming … including some pretty seismic allegations over money connected to an infamous 2012 Ponzi scam.
Stay tuned for more on that …
In the meantime, the Confederate movement in South Carolina – such as it is – is looking for ways to take advantage of GOP backlash over the flag. Their immediate objective is two-fold: Cause Haley harm on the national stage while picking up legislative seats as a result of GOP opposition to the controversial banner.
Their long-term goal? To force a statewide referendum which – if successful – would return the flag to the grounds of the S.C. State House.
Unfortunately for “heritage” backers (but fortunately for the elected officials they’re targeting), the optimum method of achieving these objectives continues to be the subject of intense internal bickering within the movement.
On the one side are veterans of the “Heritage” movement who believe they can still run the 1998 playbook that helped bring down former S.C. governor David Beasley – a Democrat-turned-Republican who famously said that God came to him in a dream and told him to take the flag off of the dome of the State House.
(Obviously that’s a far cry from Haley’s “conversion” – which was exclusively driven by corporate and political interests).
Anyway, these old school Confederates want to engage outdated communications strategies like public pro-flag rallies and the use of “Dump Haley, Keep The Flag” airplane banners at sporting events.
On the other side are a new generation of flag backers – those who recognize the need for the movement to evolve if it hopes to capitalize on the current political climate. These “Heritage” advocates want to run a more modern, sophisticated campaign – one employing slick, well-produced web videos targeting Haley.
They also want to dramatically upgrade the movement’s political and communications capabilities.
Another internal debate? Whether to go after Haley at all.
Unlike Beasley in 1998, Haley is in her second term – meaning it’s unlikely she’ll stand for statewide election again anytime soon. And while attacking her on the national level would certainly provide a nice measure of “payback” for her position on the flag, Haley’s national aspirations remain very much up in the air.
Specifically, the vetting concerns which dogged her prior to the Confederate flag controversy haven’t gone anywhere …
Given that reality, many in the movement are urging resources to be appropriated against the most vulnerable legislative targets – not against Haley.
Then there’s the issue of who gets credit in the event any of these arrows find their marks ….
The “old school” Confederate flag backers want the movement to remain independent of other groups that may also have an interest in taking out certain lawmakers – keeping the flag fight “pure” and the outcomes indisputably linked to the banner. Another faction supports the idea of “cross-pollination,” i.e. flag backers allying (and possibly pooling resources) with other organizations who have specific beefs with individual lawmakers – thus maximizing the likelihood of successfully ousting incumbents.
At the moment, it appears the “old school” perspective is winning out … which should frankly cause anyone “targeted” by the Confederate movement to breath a sigh of relief.
Anyway, we’ll keep track on these developments over the coming weeks and months as they will obviously play a role in the upcoming elections.
How big a role? That remains to be seen …
You liberals are disgusting. The Democrat Party LOST the Civil War…quit trying to re-fight it , so you can re-write history…
You hated Black people back then, and the Republicans won their freedom, anyway. You hate Whites now because it feeds your Greed and gives you political power.
You’re WRONG both times. And you’re getting your ass kicked this time too. HATE will always lose. God told us that…
Great points.Liberals and the race hustlers used the confederate flag to create and empower the very group-Black Lives Matter- advocating for the violence against white police officers.Appeasers like Haley should be ashamed.She should have known better:
“Wasserman Schultz praised the Black Lives Matter movement in her pandering speech and took credit for removing the “hateful” Confederate flag.
“I’m proud of the young people who have been pushing the Black Lives Matter movement,” she declared. “We brought the Confederate flag down. We made sure that symbols of hate are unacceptable in America.” ”
Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/08/24/video-wasserman-schultz-declares-anchor-babies-vulgar-term-unless-newsweek-says-it-about-obama-242245#ixzz3nKNViaQW
So, you’re saying Haley needs an appeaserotomy?
That’s some extreme talk, right there. Putting you on Maniac Watch. Alerting the networks.
LMAO!!! Is that anything like ‘The Buzzman’ and his “Mr. Martin’s State of the Boz address.”
“No, I’m not resigning,” Rhodes said. “I really have no comment on Mr. Martin’s State of the Boz address.”
The community has been buzzing for the past week about the wreck that involved Rhodes, which led Rhodes to discuss the issue on a local morning radio show on April 6.
Martin said Rhodes had tried to hide that he was in a wreck that Martin said people had speculated involved driving under the influence – which Rhodes said isn’t true. Martin, who told the council Tuesday that he had never stated any of the information as fact, said he came to Tuesday’s meeting because he couldn’t respond on the radio to the criticisms Rhodes made of him on that radio show.
Rhodes said he was in a wreck in Aynor as he was driving a rental car to a meeting in Columbia, but he was not at fault. A copy of the accident report was not available late Tuesday.
“Mr. Martin seems to think it was a coverup because I didn’t call a press conference,” Rhodes said after the meeting. “What, am I supposed to hold a press conference to say I had a wreck?”
Rhodes said he had to go on the radio show to defend himself against Martin’s accusations, adding that if he didn’t respond it would have appeared that he had done something wrong.
Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/incoming/article16615442.html#storylink=cpy
You still think people give a shit about this old news, don’t you, pogo?
GT: blag blarg hargle bargle
flip(actually GT): Great point
with our state being about last in everything in the nation except murdering women, one would hope that the confederate flag issue would be last on the list in choosing a public official
It’s amazing, isn’t it?
That you have syphilis?
Not so fast. You live there too. Diabetes?
Got it from GT but I still love him. LMAO!!!!
Hey. Don’t forget syphilis and diabetes!
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Their long-term goal? To force a statewide referendum…
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THINGS LIKE THIS IN A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY!
I would imagine hell will freeze over before we ever get to vote on the flag.
However, should this ever come to pass ,how about this :
Make it a FELONY for ANY “HATE” group to use the Stars and Bars in any fashion.
Pretty simple ain’t it?
That’s why none of it will ever happen.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans just need to accept they got pwned by some dumb racist kid that went on a shooting spree and murdered 9 innocent black people in a church. If I were in charge of it, I’d use it as an opportunity to meet with the NAACP or whomever to try to work out some sort of compromise on not using offensive symbology while trying to transform the organization more to a Civil War history club instead of coming across as a bunch of old doods that loved good Ole Dixie.
Unfortunately it’s always been more about sticking up a middle finger to blacks and yankees or whatever. That’s what drew members to these groups to begin with.
Well, the YANKEE’s deserve it!
In my best Shifty Henry voice….
Bubba, a truck driver, liked to entertain himself by running over yankees he would see walking down the side of the road. Every time he would see a yankee walking along the road, he would swerve to hit him, there would be a loud “THUMP” and then he would swerve back onto the road. One day, he saw a preacher who had run out of gas and was hitchhiking. Feeling guilty about his bad habit he thought he would do a good deed so he pulled the truck over and rolled down the passenger window.
He asked the Preacher, “How far are you going reverend?”
“To the Baptist Church about 10 miles ahead,” replied the preacher.
Climb in and I’ll give you a lift. said the trucker. ” The preacher climbed into the truck, thanked the driver and they continued down the road.
Suddenly the truck driver saw a couple of yankees walking down the road and out of habit swerved to hit them. Remembering that the preacher was with him he swerved back onto the road narrowly missing the yankees. However, even though he was sure he missed them , he heard a loud “THUMP”…”THUMP”. Confused, he glanced in his mirrors and when he didn’t see anything, he turned to the preacher and said, “I’m so sorry reverend. I almost hit those two yankees.”
“That’s okay,” replied the preacher. “I got them with the door!”
Funny stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Funny.You finally contributed SOMETHING worth reading on Fits.
I’m not sure that’s how it was started, but I haven’t really done much research on it. If it made itself an organization like the Sons of the American Revolution, it’d probably have a better chance of sustaining itself in the long run. As it is, there’s not many younger people wanting to appear to be racist by associating themselves with the SCV. If it were more of a civil war history club and removed the confederate battle flag from everything, there’s a chance it’d be less awkward for any person who has a black friend to join.
No matter how one tries and spin it to others, the Civil War will always be about racism and white supremacy to the general public. These groups will likely dwindle into nothing in the coming decades.
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that
the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to
the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new
government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this
great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
“Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.” — Abe Lincoln
No doubt. However, there’s plenty of people, North and South, that are history buffs and very interested in the Civil War.
“Roughly half…didn’t agree with the flag coming down”
So, over half did agree.
Let it go. Acceptance will lead to healing.
All Confederates were Democrats. The War began after the Democrat candidate lost in the 1860 election. Lincoln freed the slaves and he was a Republican who said God was on his side.
The the Democrats established KKK…
Who turned into republicans during the Civil Rights Movement (led by today’s Democrats). Today’s republicans are just a laughing stock. Even you laugh at them, GT/flip/pogo.
You call shooting down White Police officers in the streets, and lying about ‘Hands Up-Don’t Shoot’ civil rights…You’re full of Shit.
You’re a hateful, dangerous gaggle of race-hating Bigots and idiots…
Then why don’t we vote for you Republicans? There has to be a reason…
Ignorance and misguided hate…based in promises of handouts from the Democrat Party.
Same reason so many Blacks are in jail, don’t take care of their children and don’t value education. IGNORANCE.
A majority of the black community votes Democrat and you attribute that to misguided hate? You are saying almost an entire race of people are misguided and hateful? Maybe it is you that is the hateful one, racist.
WHITE police officers being shot down in the streets because of love…You are one ignorant MoFo….LMAO…
Hell, you know why. You can’t afford to lose that welfare check.
Take your weak attempt at race-baiting and cram it up your dumb ignorant ass.
Police killings are at their lowest levels in many decades. Google it, bumpkin.
I’m not asking for some statistic about Police Killings that does not apply.
ARE WHITE Police officer being shot sown in the Streets by Blacks?
Yes or No?
You really suck at race-baiting. Are only under educated white bigots the primary voting block for your dear GOP?
He “Slapped the shit” out of you as he so often calls it.
You suck at pretending to be someone else too.
All the poorly composed attempts at race-baiting and trolling comments on here?
The same person
Nope. But Black Men ARE being shot down in the streets by White Police Officers.
lol…Rocky is the one posting all these comments at ya….you sure did a number on him….he lost it yesterday….
political parties change over time the democrats have done a 180 on racial issues over the years and republicans used to not be a bunch of crazy lying assholes from reagen back
Keep telling yourselves that. I know that Bullshit is what the DNC feeds its idiots.
Republican Lincoln won the Civil War, and freed Blacks, in the name of God. The Democrat Party – the party of slavery – voice voted God out of your platform language at the 2012 Convention. And you regularly attack Christianity.
You have gone from hating Blacks, to hating whites, because it serves your political strategy…
God, you’re sad.
No wonder that blog of your’s was such a complete failure.
You should stick to
“This comment has been deleted”
The smartest comment attributed to one of your profiles.
Thanks for answering him. Even though you said nothing, you show that he is 100% correct in what he said about you.
Lincoln freed the slaves? The Emancipation only involved the slaves in the Confederate states over which he had no control. It did nothing for the skaves in MD or DC.
LMAO…so now you’re disavowing Lincoln, and diminishing his fight to free slaves….Hahahaha…Priceless.
You CANNOT be serious,…or are you Democrats really THAT fucking stupid???
Have you read the proclamation? What about his in laws’ slaves?
The war is over and the flag is down, move on guys.
Then you must piss on your confederate ancestor’s grave.
It’s all the rage among scallywags in the South.
‘movement’ is not the correct term. if the one and only goal is hanging a flag in a particular location, that seems a pretty modest goal; a symbol of a movement perhaps. but what other goals does the ‘movement’ have? any?
Will FITSNews apologize for the Democrat Party’s fight FOR Slavery? And the Democrat Party’s establishment of the KKK…???
It was not until the Democrat Party switched its hate for Blacks to a hate for Whites that the KKK fell apart.
Can you explain that?
Please, SlavemasterTango, I barely have enough to support my family! Please get a job! Please stop making me pay for your healthcare, food, and shelter! Please get off welfare!
Hey handout queen!
Get a proper education (especially in history and current events) and get a job.
By your own definitions, I’m guess you’re a 300lb African-American woman with NO kids? Weird.
When someone with some sense actually answers you back, and tells you who you really are.
Well, at least you don’t deny it.
All he can say are the same tired attacks. “I told you what you really are.” “I slapped the piss out of you.” “You got feces on your face.” Booooooooooooooo-riiiiiiiiiiiing.
Hey guys! Let’s form a club and build a fort in the woods. I’ve got some scrap lumber and Billy’s mom will bake some cookies. We’ll have a secret password and handshake. I have to be home before dark.
Why are you sharing your NAMBLA profile here? These are all old men commenting.
I’m a lifetime member. I talked flip into joining.
“…legislators are expecting it to claim multiple incumbents during the 2016 election cycle.
But will it?
No, it won’t – more and more voters are pulling their heads out of the sand, taking a look around and realizing we’ve got far bigger issues, like roads, schools and infrastructure.
For those still not voting and those who only vote “wedge” issues there’ll be a world of attention focused on you when the election cycle really gets into full swing. If they will hang up on the impending avalanche of “robo calls” and open their eyes, we may yet be able to right the ship of state.
A RINO and faux conservative couldn’t have said it any better.
I guess we will see come next November Colonel Flagg. I’m here to tell you though, there are a lot of people fed up and a lot of people like me stirring the people that are fed up. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
Conservatism is not a political party it’s a set of beliefs about personal conduct.
Liberals have no core values, that is why they can’t understand how conservatives think like we do. Moderates will fall either way. Path of least resistance. Completed the paragraph for you Sir.
Conservatives have no core values other than selfishness.
I’m guessing you are that RINO and faux conservative, socialist flip? Tell us how much you want to raise our taxes again.
Keep on believing that. A few will survive but some will get it, for sure.
Hey FITS…I think you opened up a can of worms to attack Republicans…and I kicked the Democrats’ asses wit it…Let that be a lesson to you…
Just look at some the IGNORANCE they are displaying, after being informed that the Salve-holders were ALL Democrats, and they established the KKK.
Can’t wait to inform them that Hitler was a Socialist, just like the No. Democrat in the nation…
“Feel the Bern” will take on a whole new meaning when they are educated on their forefather in NAZI German…
I figured you’d be all about Bernie, with all the gov’t handouts you benefit from now. You don’t even know what what ‘socialism’ means, do you? That’s kind of sad and cute at the same time.
Ummmmm…Kemosabe…Will Folks (who LIED about sleeping with Haley) says the Confederate forces are “splintered” and their cause will pass
But what the punk Libertarian does NOT know is that Tea Train’s on the go and next year the “splinters” will all land in his and Joe Wilson’s RINO… !!!
Sleeping with and f**king are not technically the same.
That bitch and all of those cupcake Republicans will get theirs. I voted for that cow twice. Never again.