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The Rebel Flag Surrender … That Wasn’t

INSIDE THE BOTCHED EFFORT TO BUY OFF THE CONFEDERATES  || By FITSNEWS || This website recently published an exclusive report regarding secret negotiations between powerful S.C. Senate leader Hugh Leatherman and leaders of the South Carolina division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCSCV) over the proposed removal of the Confederate…

INSIDE THE BOTCHED EFFORT TO BUY OFF THE CONFEDERATES 

|| By FITSNEWS || This website recently published an exclusive report regarding secret negotiations between powerful S.C. Senate leader Hugh Leatherman and leaders of the South Carolina division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCSCV) over the proposed removal of the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House.

Now, FITS has obtained exclusive documents related to this failed deal – including a draft statement that was supposed to have been released announcing the compromise.

Lawmakers recently agreed to debate the flag’s current position on the north lawn of the State House in the aftermath of last month’s horrific, racially motivated “Holy City Massacre” – the mass murder of nine black churchgoers at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.  The Mother Emanuel victims – including S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor – were gunned down during a Bible study by Dylann Storm Roof, a 21-year-old white supremacist who used the Confederate flag as his calling card.

We’ve written extensively in the aftermath of the shooting in support of removing the flag – and doing so expeditiously.  We’ve also provided some extensive historical context related to this debate (here and here).

Anyway, as we reported earlier Leatherman’s plan called for a number of “carrots” to the Confederates.

First, there would have been ongoing state funding for the H.L. Hunley Confederate submarine (including the construction of a Confederate museum to house the sub and other Civil War-era artifacts).  The state would have also agreed to continue printing SCSCV license plates – and would have provided a location for the SCSCV to erect its “Secession Monument.”

The organization has been trying for years to find a suitable location for this monument – which envisions an 11.5-foot stone column at the center of a 40-foot-by-40-foot plaza modeled after the “Southern Cross.”

In exchange for all these concessions, the SCSCV would have provided its written endorsement supporting the flag’s removal.

“Basically this was an effort by Leatherman to bribe flag supporters with your tax dollars,” we wrote.

Well, Leatherman and S.C. Senator Chip Campsen – another flag supporter who participated in the secret negotiations.

Naturally we oppose any such deal.  But then again we’ve opposed government funding for Confederate-related nonsense for years.

Had the SCSCV taken the bait, though, FITS has obtained a draft of the press that would have been sent out by the organization.

Take a look …

For Immediate Release
July 3, 2015

We, the South Carolina Sons of Confederate Veterans, express our deep sorrow for the loss of Senator Clementa Pinckney and eight members of his congregation at historic Emanuel AME Church. Our thoughts and prayers have been with their families, the church and the Charleston community.

We have a deep and abiding respect for the courage, wisdom and dignity of the victims’ families, Mother Emanuel Church, and the entire AME community in dealing with this unspeakable tragedy. We are amazed by their grace, forgiveness, and even charity extended to the perpetrator of this horrific crime.

We are moved by the power of their Christian witness to a grieving community and watching world. By pursuing peace and reconciliation they have demonstrated that love is more powerful than hate.

We are inspired by their actions and stand in awe of their faith.

In the wake of this tragedy the Confederate Battle Flag flying at the Confederate Soldiers Monument on our Statehouse grounds has become the focus of much attention. This attention highlights conflicting views of the flag and its meaning.

To promote harmony among all South Carolinians of goodwill, the Sons of Confederate Veterans support removing the flag from the Statehouse grounds.

This support is not a concession that the flag is what its detractors say it is. It is an effort to pursue peace and mutual upbuilding as we are exhorted to do in Romans 14:19. It is inspired by the manner in which the Mother Emanuel victims have themselves pursued peace and mutual upbuilding.

Too often the flag has been expropriated as a political tool by those who seek to divide us, or as a symbol by those who seek to harm us. We condemn such illegitimate uses of the flag that have caused it to become disconcerting to some South Carolinians. To allay these concerns we support removing the flag from the Confederate Soldiers Monument and placing it in a museum to be displayed and commemorated in an appropriate historical context.

We take this position as a reciprocal act of grace, gratitude, respect and peacemaking in light of the amazing witness of the Mother Emanuel victims.

In closing we reflect upon General Robert E. Lee’s wise counsel to put conflict behind us and move ahead:

The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He can not only forgive; he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which imparts sufficient strength to let the past be put the past. – General Robert E. Lee

There is strength in reconciliation and moving forward, not weakness. We pray our action today will facilitate reconciliation among all South Carolinians.

Thank you for your support.

Obviously that statement never went out … because the bait wasn’t taken.

According to our sources, the “Leatherman agreement” collapsed when a former SCSCV leader caught wind of the particulars of the agreement and threatened to rally rank-and-file members of the organization against it.

As a result, Leatherman and Campsen received the following letter from SCSCV Commander Leland Summers informing them that the deal was off.

4 July 2015

The Honorable Hugh K. Leatherman, Sr.
South Carolina Senate
111 Gressette Building
Columbia, SC, 29202

Via electronic transmission to hughleatherman@scsenate.gov and georgecampsen@scsenate.gov

Dear Senator Leatherman:

My staff and I express our gratitude for the hospitality extended to us on 2 July, 2015. As we discussed, I presented proposed press release and related matters to the Executive Council of the South Carolina Division in a teleconference last evening. After lengthy discussion, by majority vote, The South Carolina Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans rejects the press release.
Thank you for your consideration.

Respectfully yours,
S/ T. Leland Summers
T. Leland Summers
Commander, South Carolina Division
Sons of Confederate Veterans

Here’s a copy of that letter (.pdf here).

As we noted in our previous report, it’s not entirely clear whether flag opponents need to make any concessions in order to get the controversial banner taken down – although a recently announced Ku Klux Klan rally, alleged threats against lawmakers and robo-calls attacking flag opponents have made members of the S.C. General Assembly exceedingly nervous.

Flag supporters also say vandalism against several Confederate monuments has “changed a lot of minds.”

Polls taken in the aftermath of the Charleston attack showed a majority of South Carolinians supported taking the flag down – although there were (and presumably still are) deep partisan and racial divides.

So … how did we get here?  Why is the flag flying on government property in the first place?

On April 11, 1961 a version of the Confederate flag was hoisted above the State House at the request of S.C. Rep. John A. May of Aiken, S.C.  The following March, a resolution sponsored by May was passed that was supposed to keep the flag flying for one more year.  However May’s resolution contained no end date, and so the flag flew from atop the dome (and from within both chambers of the State House) for another four decades until July 1, 2000.  That’s when a bipartisan, biracial compromise took the banner off the dome (and out of the chambers) and hoisted another version of the flag at its current location on the north lawn of the State House.

“Off the dome and in your face,” flag supporters said at the time.

That version of the controversial banner has flown ever since … while the flags taken from the dome and the House and Senate chambers currently reside at the S.C. State Museum.

The Confederate flag removed from the dome of the S.C. State House in 2000.The Confederate flag taken from the S.C. Senate chambers in 2000.

Now lawmakers have overwhelmingly agreed to revisit the issue – which they will do beginning July 6.

Will they be able to summon enough votes to take the controversial banner down?

We believe so, although staunch flag supporter Lee Bright – a State Senator from Spartanburg, S.C. – has vowed to introduce multiple amendments to the flag removal bill.  Another S.C. Senator – John Courson – has reportedly told his colleagues he plans to introduce an amendment to replace the Confederate flag with the Bonnie Blue Flag, which was the banner flown by Confederate forces during the Battle of Fort Sumter.  Another rumored Courson amendment would fly the South Carolina state flag from the Confederate flag’s current location and “some other flag” on Confederate Memorial Day, which is a paid state holiday in the Palmetto State.

Our advice to lawmakers remains simple: Don’t get cute with compromises. Take the flag down. Do it quickly.  And then move on to addressing the myriad of issues which make South Carolina one of the poorest, least intelligent, most underemployed, most dangerous states in America.

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140 comments

flip July 4, 2015 at 8:14 pm

If the Confederate Flag is taken down with this climate of threats,violence,boycotts and blasphamous attacks on Christians… it will only embolden the American hating Democrat/Socialists/RINO’s,MSM and other folks to go after churches(including elimination of tax exemption) and the American Flag.

Leave the flag up.It will never be enough.Compromise with the devil and they are coming back for more.

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a face in the crowd July 4, 2015 at 8:28 pm

“Compromise with the devil and they are coming back for more.”

Does that mean, in effect, that Grant should have had Lee and the officer corps of the South executed?

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flip July 4, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Grant and Lee? This debate about the Confederate Flag has NOTHING to do with the Civil War in the 1800’s.

It has to do with the NEW Civil War the leftists and securalists/humanists have declared on people of faith in this country and destroying the Constitution.

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a face in the crowd July 4, 2015 at 8:46 pm

Ah, the NEW Civil War.

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flip July 4, 2015 at 8:58 pm

yep…been going on since Roe v.Wade…50,000,000 children exterminated…devaluing of human life…look at the results

Sasquachy321 July 5, 2015 at 8:01 am

It’s been going on since Brown vs. Board of Education.

It is the conservatives’ devaluing of black lives.

hack July 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm

Since the Dixiecrat defeat in 1948, and then truly a cold civil war after 1965.

flip July 5, 2015 at 5:29 pm

Tell ya what bitch…give the UNBORN the same chance as black folks and I may just become a Democrat. :)

Centrist View July 4, 2015 at 9:27 pm

The NEW Civil War is just the latest conflict of the the OLD Civil War that started in the 1800’s. The Civil War never truly ended.

It has to do with the fact that the flag IS a Civil War flag battle flag. If it were a Revolutionary war flag, there would likely be no issue.

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GT July 5, 2015 at 1:15 pm

Sort of right. We need to talk gun controls next. But, you are correct, there is no reason for churches to have special rights like tax exemptions.

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guest July 5, 2015 at 5:47 pm

Na.Lesbian moms that have the legal right to kill their own unborn child are gonna want to have the right to molest and marry their own boys. SCOTUS says nothing to stop this.

Gun control will have to wait.

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notLindaBurke July 6, 2015 at 9:52 am

After seeing how Dylann Roof spent his leisure time and comparing his rhetoric with that found on this site and others that welcome divisive nonsense, my guess is there are a lot more immature frustrated cases like him out there. Wonder what about your post made me think that?

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Dead Horse July 4, 2015 at 8:27 pm

Stop beating me!

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erneba July 4, 2015 at 8:40 pm

Yeah, I know what you mean…Groundhog Day.

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erneba July 4, 2015 at 8:43 pm

One side pisses on the other.
The other side pisses back.
Rinse, wash, and dry.
Repeat if necessary.

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Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 8:39 pm

Didn’t Will already say all of this yesterday?

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$$$$ July 4, 2015 at 9:34 pm

Never miss a chance for some $$$ from some clickbait!

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CorruptionInColumbia July 5, 2015 at 11:32 am

…and the day before, and the day before that, and the dsy before it, and the day…

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SCBlues July 5, 2015 at 6:43 pm

Whatever he said it has certainly had you revved up for weeks – never seen someone so giddy as the prospect of nine folks being murdered in their church.

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Liberal myth blown up July 4, 2015 at 8:41 pm

Your mythology is being assaulted, and you can’t handle it. The Democrats put up the Confederate flag, and a Republican took it down. Now another Republican is moving it. And that’s what pisses off you liberals. So now you have to ride this idea that allows you to attack the Republicans, because they are your would-be heroes, if you were not so eaten up with hate. You people will NEVER be elected again in SC at this rate.

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SausageAway July 4, 2015 at 8:48 pm

Love just radiates from you!

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:06 pm

That’s the response of someone who doesn’t like hearing the truth. Your simple minded world is shattered because Republicans aren’t always the bad guys.

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SCBlues July 5, 2015 at 6:46 pm

” . . . . Republicans aren’t always the bad guys.”

Says who?

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a face in the crowd July 4, 2015 at 8:53 pm

Uh, I believe it is conservatives who are pissed. The last couple of weeks have been nothing but victory after victory for “liberals.” Gay marriage, defeat of abortion delays, defeat of the confederate flag on license plates in Texas, and so on. Get a grip, and stop using the idiotic political party crap as an argument. Any one with half a brain knows Southern democrats became republicans after democrats began supporting civil rights.

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flip July 4, 2015 at 8:59 pm

Won’t stand.We own the ballot box 2-1.

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GOP beat you again! July 4, 2015 at 9:38 pm

What’s killing them, is that the Democrats shamelessly politicized the Charleston Christian murders, but have ended up losing any political advantage. Regardless of how you feel about the flag, the GOP is getting all the political credit, and the Democrats have to sit there and get their asses handed to them, again. So now they’re trying to devise some BS ideology to try to steal the issue back. And it’s laughable how stupid (using this article) they look doing it.

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a face in the crowd July 4, 2015 at 9:42 pm

Man, talk about delusion. How stupid do think the American public is?

CNSYD July 5, 2015 at 10:12 am

Look up stupid in a dictionary and you will find a face in the crowd as the number one definition.

Mitch July 5, 2015 at 7:43 am

Yea, gays can get marrieds, hire surrogates, kill the baby if it has brown eyes not blue and never have to be worried about being insulted by seeing a confederate flag on a license tag.

Yea, those are reforms that will make the world a better place.

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Biff July 5, 2015 at 7:45 am

Gay abortion rules: If he fetus is a female, white, or a male predisposed to have a larger than 32 inch waist, a small PP, or pimples….kill it and start all over again. After all, why else would one want abortion?

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JoeThePimpernel July 4, 2015 at 8:44 pm

The first thing most normal people think about when talking about the Confederate flag is “The Dukes of Hazzard.” Not the flag’s historical role, not its implications of racism, but an old TV show.

Taking Dukes of Hazzard off the air is more about trying to avoid putting the confederate flag in a positive light more than anything else. It’s not because they think people will be offended by the flag, but that they don’t want to let people NOT be offended by the flag.

Seriously, when did the show itself ever try to support racist ideals? When did it ever try to say that slavery should still exist? When did it ever support a white supremacist position?

Truth be told, the show is more of a threat to the idea that people bearing the confederate battle flag are all racist than it is a threat to racial tolerance.

They are offended by the idea that someone would think differently than they do, and in a move that’s bigotry at its finest, they try to stop anything that might lead people to consider a different point of view.

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Grow Up July 5, 2015 at 1:09 pm

Are you really concerned with reruns of a stupid fucking TV show? Go buy the DVDs and watch that crap 24/7. I just feel for all these morons with visible battle flag tattoos. Hope their current jobs are safe….

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JoeThePimpernel July 5, 2015 at 2:01 pm

I’m concerned that the cultural Marxist totalitarians like you want to erase the people you hate.

First comes the cultural purge. Then come the ovens.

You fascists have done it over and over again.

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RogueElephant July 6, 2015 at 8:52 am

The ultimate goal of all liberals, communists, and socialists is to destroy their opposition completely. The idea of working together is only used till they get a majority. Then the hammer drops.

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Hitler's Confederate Flag July 6, 2015 at 8:55 am

Funny you mention Hitler, I would think he would support the Confederate flag.

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JoeThePimpernel July 6, 2015 at 8:56 am

I was thinking of Stalin and Mao.

Odd that the first of your heroes you think of is Adolf.

You must feel a special kinship with him.

Accuracyplease July 6, 2015 at 12:18 pm

Blah blah. No chance of Joe getting a whiff of a clue.

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JoeThePimpernel July 6, 2015 at 12:28 pm

That would be you.

SCBlues July 5, 2015 at 6:39 pm

“The first thing most normal people think about when talking about the Confederate flag is “The Dukes of Hazzard.”
Can you provide any polls, statistics – anything – to back up this statement? I didn’t think so.
And then for you to go from this statement to using words and phrases such as “Seriously” and “Truth be told” is rich.
The first thing that has come to my mind for the past few weeks in regards to the Confederate Flag is that screen shot of Mr. Roof with said flag. Of course what immediately came to mind was “heritage”.
The first thing that usually came to my mind before that was images of young white men smoking cigarettes and sporting tats riding around in jacked up pick-up trucks with oversized Confederate Flags waving – and of course each time I saw them I thought of “heritage”.
I’ll admit I watched Dukes of Hazzard a handful of times growing up – does that make me “normal”? And I’ll admit that racism did not come to mind the handful of times that I watched the show. I did not think of “heritage” either.

What are your thoughts about Gilligan’s Island?

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JoeThePimpernel July 5, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Abnormal people think of a way to use it to shut people up that they hate.

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Ironic July 4, 2015 at 9:32 pm

“Too often the flag has been expropriated as a political tool by those who seek to divide us, or as a symbol by those who seek to harm us.”

Ironic considering the flag itself was originally flown by people who did seek to divide the United States. Indeed the flag was intended to be used as a political tool to defend “states rights”, you remember – the “right” to own other human beings as property and have that “property” returned to you should it escape.

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Democrat Party Tools July 4, 2015 at 9:42 pm

If eliminating “those who seek to harm us” is the objective, doesn’t that mean we have to dissolve the Democrat Party? I mean look at the last 6 years. The Democrat party has done more to harm us as a nation than has been done to us since 1865.

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flip July 4, 2015 at 9:45 pm

GO USA WOMEN SOCCER!!! Kick the shit out of the Japs tomorrow night.Nuke em!

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CNSYD July 5, 2015 at 10:18 am

You have bought into the Yankee lie. It was money in the form of tariffs and taxes. Try studying history. Read what the European press of the day thought of Lincoln’s actions. You really believe that the Wall Street crowd of 1861 (you know the people who financed the war) card about slavery?

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opengovernmentup July 4, 2015 at 9:49 pm

Flag! Flag! Flag! Did everyone miss deals being cut by Leatherman with state money (our money) so no will will be mad at an elected official over the flag. The heads of the SCV more than willing to throw away their ideals instead of standing for their ideals (right or wrong it’s theirs) for an unwritten money deal. I don’t know who stopped the SCV vote but he prevented more backroom politics as usual. Now let’s call for an investigation Governor Haley into Leatherman, pass tighter transparency laws, and the members of SC SCV throw the traitors out, it should be plain they are self serving.

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Will was right! July 4, 2015 at 9:59 pm

Can’t trust Haley.Sold her soul to Barack,Al and Jesse.

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Danny July 5, 2015 at 10:34 am

Haley is a pathological Liar. She only cares about Nikki and her political desires. I’ve dealt with her, when she was in the House, while running for Governor and after her election. I caught her in so many lies, so have the people of SC. She was only elected and re-elected because she has an R behind her name and the voters are NOT smart. We continue to elect and re-elect the same old tired, used up politicians and get the same pitiful results from them over and over!

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Zach July 5, 2015 at 7:40 am

Leatherman spends your tax money like it is water. Don’t start complaining now. The old fool has robbed us of what should be ours so that he and his friends can get rich.

Leatherman, you will burn in hell for your thievery.

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6 0f 1 half dozen of the other July 5, 2015 at 10:30 am

They ALL spend OUR money like pouring PISS out of a boot!!!
Peeler, Rankin, Martin, ODell, Matthews, Courson, Verdin there is NO difference in any of them!

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CorruptionInColumbia July 5, 2015 at 11:44 am

You are correct in that they are all crooks. Some however, are even more crooked than the rest.

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm

By the time Haley is finished she’ll be rid of both the flag and Leatherman and the flag supporters will be divided.

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Shifty Nikki July 4, 2015 at 10:18 pm

She is disgraceful.Instead of standing tall and representing the people that elected her…she went straight to the democrat party playbook of playing the RACE CARD on the very people in SC that were stupid enough to give this faux Christian power.Why? because she became irrelevant as a person and politician.

Will was right.

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:37 pm

“she went straight to the democrat party playbook”
That’s a smart strategy. Beat them at their own game. She always wins.

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just sayin July 4, 2015 at 10:41 pm

She really didn’t.Calling 95% of those that voted for her racists is not a winner.

Folks in Florida don’t like her.Money people.

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:44 pm

She has never called anyone a racists, that I recall, except Rainey.

obama=haley July 4, 2015 at 10:47 pm

Obama has never called people racists either.However read between the lines and look at his policies

Haley is no different.Both of em are political opportunists.

I believe Will now.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 11:09 pm

If she does something unpopular you criticize. If she does something popular, she’s is criticized as an opportunist.

Fixed July 5, 2015 at 12:08 am

If she does something unpopular and self-serving you criticize. If she does something popular and self-serving, she’s is criticized as an opportunist.

Fixed it for you

Bible Thumper July 5, 2015 at 12:39 am

Yogi Berra said “Haley only does what’s popular. That’s why nobody likes her anymore.”

She said it July 5, 2015 at 9:53 am

And Haley said 50% of people can’t pass a drug test and another 25% can’t read & write properly.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2011-09-19/haley-cant-document-srs-drug-test-failure-claim

Denozitall July 8, 2015 at 11:02 am

I think she may be part alien. Have you looked at those creepy ET fingers she always has pointing when she speaks?

sad July 5, 2015 at 12:12 am

Ironic considering all Rainey was trying to do was hold her accountable –

http://www.wistv.com/story/18063660/john-rainey-haley-ethics-suit

MM and M July 5, 2015 at 7:38 am

1. She did not call 95% of hr voters racist. That is a lie.
2. Who cares if people if FL like her.
3. Who the hell are you to say who the money people in Fl like?

You Internet know it all.

Sic Semper Tyrannis July 5, 2015 at 8:00 am

It’s a transparent lie, get it.

Thumpers World July 4, 2015 at 10:30 pm

Sheheen calls Haley a whore and then laughs about the gaff
Way to go Democrats. War on women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4-iZhbJZXo

Nikki has turned her back on the very people that defended her against these attacks.

Nikki the Democrat.

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:42 pm

Name one.

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yep July 4, 2015 at 10:44 pm

55% of the electorate in SC.

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Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 10:49 pm

I said ONE. Give one name. A politician perhaps. A former supporter perhaps. 55% of the electorate may have voted for here, but who defended her against the attacks now feel betrayed. 55% of the electorate don’t feel that she turned her back on them.

fact July 4, 2015 at 10:53 pm

Enough that if she would have pulled this prior to the last governor’s election in 2014, she would not have had a chance.

Disdain for Obama was the only reason she won anyway.The faux Christian shit and terrible candidates running against her helped.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 11:01 pm

“if she would have pulled this prior to the last governor’s election in 2014, she would not have had a chance.”

So, she was smart, right?
Waiting til now.

jiji July 4, 2015 at 10:18 pm

In all seriousness…who the hell cares either way? Nobody wants to be forced to have the flag up or down, but other than that, who gives a shit?

Morons, that is who. Grow up, Get jobs and hobbies. Read a book. Anything other than waste your life away on something as stupid as the flag!

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Ned July 4, 2015 at 10:33 pm

Agreed.

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Sasquachy321 July 4, 2015 at 11:45 pm

Next, your churches!

Tax then to penury and foreclose on them. Make them hay barns. Or Section 8 communes. The flag is just the start.

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm

That is interesting – I rewound twice trying to get the Representative’s name, but it wasn’t there.

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Quietus July 5, 2015 at 3:06 pm

Here’s the robo call and radio ad running in Jay Lucas’ district.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWYKbMwoWQI

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 3:11 pm

Thank you for the link.

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Thumper faraCon July 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm

You ,Sybil and Quietus? The ‘robo call’ stalkers. Go get em buddy.Put em in jail or falsely accuse of em of being racists like your buddies.

All three of you are liberal clowns.

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Steve Quick July 5, 2015 at 3:29 am

There can be no lasting compromises with leftists as the 2000 compromise proves. Weather the storm. Roof has NOTHING more to do with the flag than the Golds Gym tee shirt he was wearing. SC needs to simply remind everyone of the compromise and state clearly and unequivocally the flag is a heritage symbol PERIOD

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nitrat July 5, 2015 at 8:59 am

So, his burning of and spitting on the American flag in some photos while waving the Confederate flag in others has no connection, no significance?

You guys can’t help but lie even in the face of photographic proof.

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Speak D Truth July 5, 2015 at 9:28 am

A democrat being upset that an American Flag is being desecrated? Careful, They will kick you out of the party.

Wait, he had an American Flag. I guess we need to ban it also. Oops, I wasn’t supposed to mention that. The progressives want to take baby steps and sneak that one in later.

Boycott Golds Gym. Ban their merchandise. Purge all memory of them from society. He might have had a racist thought while he was wearing their shirt. Blame the piece of cloth instead of the idiot that was wearing it. Now for the important question for democrats ” Boxers or briefs?” We must know which one to ban.

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flip July 5, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Brilliant post!

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hack July 5, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Keep goose stepping and burning books, bro.

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SCBlues July 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm

“Unless the Uninomber represents environmentalism? ”
Please do not use the term “illogic” after posting something so asinine. Thank you.

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Steve Quick July 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm

None whatsoevet. Unless the Uninomber represents environmentalism? Same illogic. This is media ginned bullshit and Im not buying a word of it.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 5, 2015 at 11:29 am

I know what you mean about that GG tee shirt. It has become a symbol of murder and I know people who cringe in fear every time they are forced to look upon that rag when someone wears it. Tear it down, now! Please, do it for the children!

;-)

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Gun Control next July 5, 2015 at 1:12 pm

A heritage of white oppression over the black man. And the stupid Gold’s Gym shirt argument and really, really dumb. It was a bullets from a gun that killed those folks. The reason the flag issue is being pushed is to keep talk away from gun control. Gun makers and the NRA are making sure of that.

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Democrats asses got whipped July 5, 2015 at 7:36 am

As a political strategy, the GOP ripped this issue from the Democrat Party and kicked their asses with it. It will be an even longer time – if ever- before the Democrats can get a candidate elected to statewide office in S.C. And the GOP will likely pick up some African-American voters based on the handling of this meaningless issue.
Politically, it’s a Win-Win for Republicans.

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Sasquachy321 July 5, 2015 at 7:58 am

Haley wins and will now rise in the national GOP. She doesn’t need your SC GOP goober votes anymore.

SC GOP politicians, forced into dissing the goobers’ flag, will lose many of their votes. SC GOP in turmoil.

Black voters know that the GOP voter base really despises them and will continue to vote Democratic. With Trump’s clear message, Hispanics ditto.

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Democrat Ass Kicking July 5, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Wishful thinking on your part. Just as Haley no longer needs us, we no longer need her. And we beat her on the Democrat gas tax this year. So she actually opened our eyes to electing no more moderates.

Again: the flag issue is meaningless, and only helped the GOP because of the way it was played, You used a marker and you got nothing, but an ass kicking out of it.

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Sweet Home Alabama July 5, 2015 at 4:59 pm

You are insane. The backstabbing GOP in the South will likely cause the loss of the GOP’s Presidential candidate in 2016 over this move (and the GOP’s Southern dominance locally). Millions of white Southerners will stay home on election day. Do you really think that White Southern Conservatives – the bedrock of GOP victories over the past 50 years – are thrilled with a GOP that is flippant over Gay Marriage, the Confederate Flag, and really, even ObamaCare (I mean, the GOP controls the House and Senate, seen any repeal bills headed to the President?). And blacks voting GOP? While its true that the GOP sends a lot of money and stuff their way -behind the scenes – the GOP will have to start marketing this and adding even more dollars to pick up their vote. To do that will piss off even the remaining moderate whites in the party. In other words, I totally disagree with you.

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Rocky Fido July 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm

lol…can’t agree with you.You have already lost as you just stated that Hillary stands no chance if Republicans vote in 2016.

We, da dems, ain’t got no chance in 2016.Legalized gay marriage,pedophilia and beastiality at the Altar is a loser for my party.

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Comrade1917 July 5, 2015 at 9:08 am

Christian symbols are offensive to many Americans, comrades.
Take them down!

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jimlewisgowb July 5, 2015 at 9:42 am

“……..organization has been trying for years to find a suitable location for this monument….”

Word down at the Get’nGo is that deal was done until someone asked specifically what “site” the State had chosen to donate for the monument

After a considerable amount of heeing/hawing and the pulling of eye teeth it was revealed that the Port Jasper site was the location to be donated

Of course 40 years from now after Georgia finishes dredging for the Port of Savannah the monument will be encased by 40 ft. walls of stinking puff mud

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CNSYD July 5, 2015 at 10:21 am

Folks got in another “horrific” in relation to a massacre. Now he is really going uptown using the word “thy” in his writing. Downright Biblical.

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shifty henry July 5, 2015 at 12:20 pm

FITSNEWS – Unfair, Imbalanced, but yea unto you it is Biblical

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm

Verily

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shifty henry July 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm

thank you, Brother, or Sister as the case may be….

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Bible Thumper July 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Hey! There’s modern language in the Bible.
Jeremiah 49:32 — And their camels shall be a booty,

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shifty henry July 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

BT, what page is that on, please?

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Bible Thumper July 5, 2015 at 1:13 pm

Page 1956 in my “serious Bible Thumping” parallel Bible, but it could be used as a deadly weapon. Yours may be different.

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shifty henry July 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm

“it could be used as a deadly weapon.” —- until the piss-ant and his cockroaches take it away from you // I’m going to prepare a special bunker for my collection, just in case…..

Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 12:20 pm

Wasn’t there to be a big full-page corporate ad today for removing the flag?

Anyone seen it?

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 12:29 pm

Lordy lordy, to be a fly on the wall today as the frenetic pols try to salvage some path forward for next week.

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You lost again July 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm

The Democrats got their asses kicked. You get to remove a meaningless flag, and the GOP gets all kinds of credit. You are a stupid bunch of politicians.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 1:49 pm

The GOPgoobers will blame the GOPols for backstabbing them.

I anxiously anticipate their crude invective and spewed hate.

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Bible Thumper July 5, 2015 at 2:03 pm

You’re nice.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 2:09 pm

I savor their despair. (I must be a bit conservative.)

“Off the dome and in your face?
Soon off the pole and in disgrace.”

RogueElephant July 5, 2015 at 1:38 pm

Keep arguing over a flag and some skin color. While Obummer and the Dims flush our once great country down the sewer of history. Sounds like a plan. It is.

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Confederate Flag July 5, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Et tu Rouge?

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jimlewisgowb July 5, 2015 at 1:52 pm

Will be interesting to see how long it will take for the Dark Side to ban your Avatar

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Confederate Flag July 5, 2015 at 1:46 pm

I sang Dixie, as he died
But people just walked on by, as I cried
The bottle had robbed him, of all his rebel pride
So I sang Dixie, as he died

He said way down yonder in the land of cotton, old times there ain’t near as rotten
As they are on this damned old L.A. street
Then he drew a dying breath, and laid his head against my chest
Please Lord, take his soul back home to Dixie

And I sang Dixie, as he died
But people just walked on by, as I cried
The bottle had robbed him, of all his rebel pride
So I sang Dixie, as he died

He said listen to me son while you still can, run back home to that Southern land
Don’t you see, what life here has done to me
Then he closed those old blue eyes, and fell limp, against my side
No more pain, and now he’s safe back home in Dixie

And I sang Dixie, as he died
But people just walked on by, as I cried
The bottle had robbed him, of all his rebel pride
So I sang Dixie as he died

I sang Dixie as he, died

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a face in the crowd July 5, 2015 at 2:19 pm Reply
Haley screwed you July 5, 2015 at 2:44 pm

Haley already used your issues to fuck you. Now, you liberals hate Wal-Mart. So who do you have to get in bed with: the Confederates, or Wal-Mart for doing your bidding?
I think you’re too fucking stupid to even realize what has been done to you. You’re jerking off, while the people you hate are making you even less politically viable. Your ignorance is screwing you, while you sit in the corner with your head up your asses.

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Wow – did you stay up all night contemplating that well thought out post?

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a face in the crowd July 5, 2015 at 2:54 pm

I must be that stupid, because I’m laughing my ass off.

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Haley screwed you July 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm

Morons often laugh when something is over your head. Go to an asylum. I bet you are very similar to the idiots sitting around laughing at nothing. But Haley fucked you, with an issue you were trying to ride to viability on. She made you all look like idiots, while she is cashing in.

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 2:47 pm

Really? LOL “One supporter told Davis, “I’m protesting because Walmart no longer sells Confederate flags.”

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Centrist View July 5, 2015 at 2:49 pm

The flag has been “expropriated”?

Who actually owns it?

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Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 4:28 pm

Expropriation does not necessarily explicitly transfer ownership.

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Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 3:25 pm

This is the flag that should be flying:

or this one:

Not a compromise, a correction. Then again, we could fly this one:

(tee hee)

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 3:26 pm

LOL! Or this one:

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Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 3:34 pm

I misled you. I apologize. I tried actually putting the pictures of flags I wanted into the body of the text. It gave a separate message from the one intended. The URLs are there now. If you want to scold me, it’s ok.

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Sybil July 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

It was funnier the first time – now I have to figure out what all your flags mean. :)

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Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 3:42 pm

I have been saying this, about the flag, since Fritz put the 2nd Naval Flag on top of the Statehouse in 1960. The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is not the South Carolina Battle Flag.

Sybil July 5, 2015 at 3:43 pm

I personally like the Swampfox flag waving in the breeze.

Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

Thankee.. my design..

Sybil July 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

I saw your comments on the flag – It is interesting how the Northern Virginia flag became the South Carolina Battle Flag. I understand the connection, but if the debate is about SC Heritage I do not comprehend why all the fuss about a Virginia flag.

Slartibartfast July 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm

I guess I’m too much of a historical stickler. I am so old that I remember listing to The Whistler on the radio in the late 40’s. Living the civil rights movement, I was warned by my great grandfather, who was against the “Jim Crow” laws, that if we did not forget the real horrors of “the Reconstruction” and “befriend the negro”, we would rue the day. I will leave it to you to judge how far we’ve gotten.

Sybil July 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm

It is my opinion your great grandfather was a very wise man well beyond his years.

The Whistler was appx two decades before my time, so I had to look that up, seems it was so popular, it was later adapted to film/books. Going to to see if I can find it on Netflix/Amazon. Interesting opening:

“I…am the Whistler, and I know many things, for I walk by night. I know many strange tales, many secrets hidden in the hearts of men and women who have stepped into the shadows. Yes… I know the nameless terrors of which they dare not speak!”

Slartibartfast July 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm

Twenty years younger, eh? Well, you’re just hitting your stride, young lady.

Sybil July 6, 2015 at 1:16 pm

Good grief if this is the stride I am in for a long weary ride. Just when I was coming to terms with getting older isn’t for wimps :)

Slartibartfast July 6, 2015 at 1:56 pm

Pish-posh. You’re young by my yardstick.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm

The claimed heritage-types, mostly fake, have surrendered the Confederate flags to the racist haters for the past 60 years. And without a peep of protest. They themselves helped soil and stain and dirty their banners. They have little legitimately to complain about. Though complain they will of course.

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Cooter Brown July 6, 2015 at 6:55 am

wee ain’t fer sale!

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tyroneeatsmamascollards July 6, 2015 at 12:34 pm

I saw rednecks flying the flag on the back of their dirty old pickup trucks this weekend. It’s nothing more than a symbol that you are a redneck. Of,by,and for the Redneck.

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Rebel Bill February 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm

I’ll take the Confederate flag.

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