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New Poll: “Sharp Racial Divide” In SC Over Confederate Flag

FLAG SUPPORTERS ALSO MORE LIKELY TO REFLECT OPINION AT THE BALLOT BOX || By FITSNEWS || A new poll shows a “sharp racial divide” in South Carolina over the issue of the Confederate flag – which has become the focus of a national firestorm in the wake of last week’s horrific,…

FLAG SUPPORTERS ALSO MORE LIKELY TO REFLECT OPINION AT THE BALLOT BOX

|| By FITSNEWS || A new poll shows a “sharp racial divide” in South Carolina over the issue of the Confederate flag – which has become the focus of a national firestorm in the wake of last week’s horrific, racially motivated church shooting in Charleston, S.C.

According to the poll (.pdf HERE) – conducted by the Missouri-based Remington Research Group – 55 percent of South Carolinians supported removing the flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House in the aftermath of the tragedy.  Thirty-seven percent oppose taking the flag down – while eight percent are unsure.

Only 47 percent of whites support removing the flag, though, while 72 percent of blacks support removing it.  Meanwhile 80 percent of blacks believe the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism – compared to only 27 percent of whites.

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Beyond the racial divide, there are degrees of intensity to consider …

For example, a whopping 80 percent of flag supporters said they would “hold their state legislator accountable by voting against them if they took a position against their view.”  By comparison, 61 percent of flag opponents felt the same way.

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The survey also asked South Carolinians what they believed the Confederate flag symbolizes. A total of 43 percent believe the flag is a symbol of racism compared to 51 percent who believe the flag is a symbol of history; 6 percent were unsure.

South Carolinians believe the Confederate flag reflects poorly upon the state, but not overwhelmingly. Almost a majority, 49 percent, believe the flag reflects poorly upon residents while 40 percent do not believe it reflects poorly; 11 percent were unsure.

“The data shows that supporters of the Confederate flag are much more passionate than opponents, but a majority of South Carolina believes the flag should be removed. A sharp racial divide also exists on this issue, especially on what they believe the flag symbolizes,” said pollster Titus Bond.

Remington Research Group surveyed 975 South Carolinians (a sample weighted to reflect projected 2016 voter turnout) via telephone from June 23-24, 2015.  The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 3.4 percent.

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This website long maintained an irreverant indifference toward the flag prior to the “Holy City Massacre,” in which 21-year-old white supremacist Dylann Storm Roof murdered nine South Carolinians at the historic Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.

“State leaders can leave it, move it, burn it or use it as a bath towel for all we care,” we wrote back in 2011.

But in the aftermath of the shooting we’ve embraced the need to take it downnow.  Which it appears members of the S.C. General Assembly are inclined to do.

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67 comments

Bye Bye June 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm

This is nice and all, but American society, at large, has decided the flag has to go. Like everything else, SC will lag behind, but will eventually take it down. Just accept it.

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shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 2:21 pm

‘American society’ —– what are their names, and where are they?

‘at large’ —– the two killers in New York are at large, and what is their opinion?

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Stephan June 25, 2015 at 3:18 pm

The two killers in NY are trying to get to Maple Leaf and Pea Soup territory. Parlez vous Canadian.

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shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 3:50 pm

You Might Be Canadian If
———————————-

Your municipality buys a Zamboni before a bus.

You understand the Labatt Blue commercials.

You can repeat the entire Molson’s
Canadian ‘The Rant’.

You dismiss all beers under 6% as
“for children and the elderly.”

You killed your best friend for Another
Roadside Attraction tickets.

You know more than 3 guys named Gordon.

You have worn shorts and a parka at the
same time

You owe more money on your snowmobile
than on your car.

At least twice a year, the kitchen doubles a meat processing plant.

You think the start of deer season is a national holiday.

You know which leaves make for good toilet paper.

The trunk of your car doubles as a freezer.

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Quietus June 25, 2015 at 4:07 pm

Half of these apply to the South too. Hell if you chaged a few around you’d have a complete Southern version.

shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 4:18 pm

That’s the fun of humor and jokes —- a little something for everybody!

Krazy Kat June 25, 2015 at 4:51 pm

To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

” You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else..”

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E Norma Scok June 25, 2015 at 1:00 pm

Via telephone? Who under 50 has a land line anymore..and those who do, who answers it and answers poll questions?

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Only Telemarketers Are Worse June 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

“Put me on your do not call list please.” *CLICK*

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shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm

me…..

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9" June 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm

…too

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CharlieChan June 25, 2015 at 2:32 pm

I didn’t dig into the poll, was it really only land line? If so, then the numbers for “take it down” are very low and misleading.

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Quietus June 25, 2015 at 2:37 pm

Here is the respondents by age group. This screams landline poll.

18-29 9%
30-39 13%
40-49 16%
50-69 41%
70+ 21%

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Stephan June 25, 2015 at 3:19 pm

No, it screams those in favor of the flag are between the ages of 50 and dead.

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Quietus June 25, 2015 at 3:27 pm

Very few in the top three age groups have land line phones and hell even if they do they don’t answer them. Thus why it’s weighted 62% to 50+ ranges. This obviously skews the poll to older voter which I believe was the points above.

Obviously everyone over 50 doesn’t support it and every one under 30 doesn’t want it down, but it we can conclude that the poll is skewed pro-flag.

Stephan June 25, 2015 at 3:31 pm

I’m in the mid range – I have a land line. But I understand your point. Still, it plays to Col. Sander’s narrative. Speaking as he was in front of a huge crowd of 8 guys.

The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:30 am

Yes. It is.

9" June 25, 2015 at 3:03 pm

I like it when ‘charities’ call.Ask them how much they make an hour,and they get antsy.

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Jackie Chiles June 25, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Look guys, we get it. The confederate flag is offensive. Imo, the American flag is probably more offensive and should also be changed/banned. Think about it. Founded on slavery. Enshrined in our constitution was the idea that a black guy was worth 3/5 of a white guy while women weren’t able to vote. The US army basically killed like a billion indians all under the American flag. Then, the American flag was on the Enola Gay when it blew up hundreds of thousands of japanese. Then, The American flag was flying over the troops that invaded Iraq for no reason.

In short, the American flag needs to come down and be relegated to the history books. Really, America itself does. After all, it’s only named America because some Spanish Conquistador helping Amerigo Vespucci named it so. So even the name of America is racist.

So here’s the plan- start from scratch. New name. North and South America need to be renamed to NorthWest continent and SouthWest Continent. The US will become Northwest United States. No racist name.

Next, we create a new constitution. This one will include women and minoirities. No more racist constitution with 3/5 or having to deal with the sexism of having “Founding Fathers.” What, no founding mothers? Sexist.

The new constitution can fix the problems we have with freedom of speech. Offensive signs like the Swastika, confederate flag can be outlawed. We can also make this a shifting target so if something like, say, the Cross becomes offensive to future generations, no need for a constitutional amendment to change. Just whatever is offensive that day to a lot of people can be outlawed.

The new constitution can also force everyone to love gay marriage and transgendered people. Any hate speech will not be tolerated. This is a New day in the NUS.

Next, we create an entirely new flag. One that’s inclusive of all Northwestians and wasn’t created to fly over a country of half slave-owners that gave black people no rights and women no right to vote.

Behold the new flag of the Northwest United States- a land of inclusiveness, freedom, and toleration.

http://i.imgur.com/212wtwH.jpg

It’s a work in progress, but I’m feeling somewhat good that it hits the high points.

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TroubleBaby June 25, 2015 at 1:13 pm

It doesn’t have the Crying Eagle.

For shame.

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Jackie Chiles June 25, 2015 at 1:19 pm

http://i.imgur.com/wc63gH2.jpg

Hope this accurately portrays the eagle’s joy over NUS founding or despair that the USA is no more.

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TroubleBaby June 25, 2015 at 1:32 pm

lmao!

Forgive me for the Tango outburst, but that’s some funny shit right there.

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The Colonel June 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm

Much better, the eagle tempers the green.

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9" June 25, 2015 at 2:55 pm

People forget all that.How about Amnerica ?

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Jack June 25, 2015 at 1:02 pm

I thought the Sons of Confederate Veterans was holding a press conference. What happened to that story.

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Jackie Chiles June 25, 2015 at 1:09 pm

They’re still droning on about how great great grandpappy wasn’t a racist.

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Just Take It Down Already June 25, 2015 at 1:04 pm

The sooner it is gone the sooner we can finally be done with this bullshit.

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shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 2:15 pm

‘bullshit’ — meaning surveys and polls?

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a face in the crowd June 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

I love how people say they will hold their legislators accountable. Does the South Carolina state government look like one in which legislators have ever been held accountable?

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Jonny Logic June 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm

Like it would make a difference. Wow, Jim-Bob (R) from Upstate BumF*ck would be replaced with Billy-Joe (R) from Upstate BumF*ck. And once the flag is down, its not going back up.

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Squishy123 June 25, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Yeah but Jim Clyburn, Darrell Jackson, and what’s his scarhead in the House will cakewalk back into their offices.

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Quietus June 25, 2015 at 2:32 pm

The election is eighteen months away. Everyone will have long forgotten who voted how on the flag. If it even comes up they’ll say I had to vote to take it down because BMW, Boeing, Volvo, Verizon, Michelin, PurePower Technology, etc.

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Rocky June 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm

Ok, I gotta say it – You Can Keep Your Flag If You Like It.

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Rocky June 25, 2015 at 1:42 pm

Brilliant poll. Consider who put the flag up the begin with, I think we could have reverse engineered state demographics to figure this one out.

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RhettButla June 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm

Not Like Headline. There is little divide in the black community. There is significant difference in the white community, with the Voice Of Reason ascendant!

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shifty henry June 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm

‘Voice Of Reason ascendant’ —- is that like the waxing and waning of the moon from the OJ trial?

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LD June 25, 2015 at 2:26 pm

“A symbol of history” since 1962 before that only the KKK used the flag.

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CharlieChan June 25, 2015 at 2:30 pm

Those numbers have changed significantly in 15 years… just like gay marriage polls. The baby boomers are being replaced by millennials. Being from the generation between them, I’m interested in whether public opinion controlled by millennials will create better outcomes than public opinion controlled by baby boomers. Personally, I think it will. The baby boomers turned out to be greedy self-centered coke heads… generally speaking, of course.

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Ignorance manifested June 25, 2015 at 3:20 pm

Voters still overwhelmingly reject redefining marriage. But you just dictate with your corrupt judges and a propagandist media. It’s why you riot when honest people in grand juries, operating within the law, disregard hype, and do the right thing. You are the worst of what our enemies are. And I doubt you’ll ride for free, forever. The bill will come due. And you are very ill-equipped to deal with it, when you’re told “no.”

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Weary of your lies and hatred June 25, 2015 at 3:15 pm

I think the left, and the anti-liberty “Libertarians” have already overplayed your hand. A lot of Conservative voters have been sitting out, trying to prove a point. But now the left, and self-called “Libertarians” are so over the top, I expect a sharp backlash.
You can only deceive, lie and override the laws and wishes of the working, paying people for so long, before it catches up with you. You’re riding on borrowed time.

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Squishy123 June 25, 2015 at 3:25 pm

So what Will is saying is, it’s going to be a long road for Democrats in this state in the next election.

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Tom June 25, 2015 at 3:40 pm

Why Democrats. They are just supporting the same thing they have for 15 years. Take the flag down. Its the Republican that abandoned you guys and flip flopped on the flag issue.

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Please, please, please June 25, 2015 at 4:36 pm

Hopefully they’ll form a new party, even more retarded than the Tea Party.

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Democrats lost big in 2014 June 25, 2015 at 4:43 pm

Didn’t the GOP win in a landslide in 2014? The voters hate what you’re doing. It’s why Republicans won in historical numbers.
The courts are pushing your causes by ignoring the law, and the will of the people. What happens if legislatures dump your judges, and replace them with Constitutional-based justice?

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:28 am

pogo

You're riding on borrowed time June 25, 2015 at 4:38 pm

You’ve peddled race-hate as your primary issue for decades. Most general assemblies, governors, the US House and the US Senate have rejected your politics based on the exploitation and manipulation of the ignorant. The courts are pretty all you have to wage your war of hate. What you’re doing now will change nothing, except maybe make you even more repulsive to voters. And hopefully it will motivate the non-participating to wake up, and deal with you.

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:27 am

Hmmmm. The courts did not order so many corporations to urge SC to take down the flag. Nor did they order Republican and Democrat pol from SC and all over the nation, at every level, to urge the same thing.

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Jeff Traube June 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm

South Carolina attempted to appease the Left by moving the flag from atop the Capitol. It didn’t work. And if they furl it, Liberals and Minorities will come after monuments; street, park and school names; holidays; portraits on paper money.

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It's coming June 25, 2015 at 4:35 pm

That’s right. They need to go too. But first, we really need to address gun control measures.

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:24 am

Flag-loving winger talking point of the day spouter much?

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Jeff Traube June 26, 2015 at 8:20 am

Flag-hating Marxist invective spewer much ?

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Mike at the Beach June 25, 2015 at 3:48 pm

That “sharp racial divide” isn’t that bad, really. Compared to the racial divide of the major political parties, it’s an improvement…

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Krazy Kat June 25, 2015 at 4:46 pm

Let’s just cut to the chase here. This flag was not even at the statehouse until 1961. It was raised then by act of the legislature. Not a single minority member of the legislature voted in favor of raising it. Do you know why? BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE! They couldn’t hold office because they couldnt vote! This was a bad idea and it is time to move on.

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Jay June 25, 2015 at 5:44 pm

News Flash……Lee Surrenders to Grant at Appomattox Court House! Oh, it seems the news just reached South Carolina.

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Squishy123 June 25, 2015 at 5:55 pm

Another strange fact, I think everyone I know named Jay is gay.

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:23 am

Interesting. Everyone I know named Squishy is a jellyfish or a pile of shit.

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Squishy123 June 26, 2015 at 9:05 am

That is interesting, what a coincidence. I’m guessing your real name is Jay.

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:21 am

Oh, it had reached SC. It’s just taken about a century and a half for it to really sink in.

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Comrade1917 June 25, 2015 at 7:15 pm

An Israeli flag should replace the USA flag.

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Comrade1917 June 25, 2015 at 7:25 pm

“Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, are we tearing down the Jefferson Memorial?

The Confederate Flag wasn’t about slavery, it was about the independence of states.

That was what this country was founded on, until Stinkin Lincoln decided it was the
Mafia and once you were in there was no way out. That MF was responcible for the death of over 1,000,000 Americans and caused 10s of millions of Americans to suffer for generations to come.

But the people that suffered the most were the slaves that he freed. They lived in horrible conditions for decades after because stupid Lincoln thought the Congress would vote him the funds to send them back to Africa and set up settlements there for them.”

— Zorba the Greek

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Reason 180 June 25, 2015 at 10:33 pm

Re” “The Confederate Flag wasn’t about slavery.” When South Carolina seceded from the Union, it clearly stated that the reason it was seceding is that it felt the North was threatening the viability of slavery: https://www.facebook.com/680202255348169/photos/a.685585634809831.1073741829.680202255348169/858875900814136/?type=1&theater

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The Buzzman June 26, 2015 at 7:20 am

Absolutely true.

“States’ rights” then = “The right to keep slaves.”

“States’ rights” now = “The right to continue to be racist assholes toward the descendants of the freed slaves” (plus some other stuff about fucking over anybody who is not rich or who does not kiss the ass of rich people.)

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JayJay June 26, 2015 at 9:07 am

Before the SC General Assembly members vote to take down my beloved flag they need remember who put them in office, the 70 or so percent of the people that support leaving it up.

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JayJay June 26, 2015 at 9:13 am

Before the SC General Assembly members vote to take down my beloved flag they need remember who put them in office, the 70 or so percent of the people that support leaving it up.

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Pacp Sanchez June 26, 2015 at 10:38 am

Pick your poll. Rasmussen’s numbers show more want it down than does Remmington. http://tinyurl.com/nrcfpox
PPP says the divide is even greater with “take it down” at 64%
http://tinyurl.com/olwdjhw

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Bee June 26, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Also says:

Those people that work and pay taxes would keep flag up. Those that don’t work or pay taxes would like the flag down.

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