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THINGS ARE GETTING SERIOUS IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA || By FITSNEWS ||  In case you missed it, World War III is about to break out in the South China Sea.  Over these islands, apparently. The protagonists in this global drama?  China and the United States (a.k.a. two nations bankrolled by…

THINGS ARE GETTING SERIOUS IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA

|| By FITSNEWS ||  In case you missed it, World War III is about to break out in the South China Sea.  Over these islands, apparently.

The protagonists in this global drama?  China and the United States (a.k.a. two nations bankrolled by China).

The fight is about currency (China wants its currency, the yuan, admitted to the global reserve basket). However the proximate cause of the looming conflict is becoming less important by the day.

Where do things stand?  China is reportedly preparing to enforce a no-fly zone over its territorial claims in the South China Sea, the latest escalation between the two superpowers.

If America defies the Chinese no-fly zone, well … you can predict what will happen next.

Things could get ugly … fast.  In fact, a prominent Chinese nationalist publication predicted war was “inevitable” if America continued to oppose Chinese claims.

“If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” the paper stated.

China is also beefing up its military in anticipation of a conflict with the American Navy, according to The Wall Street Journal, although that should come as no surprise.

“China is building a modern and regionally powerful Navy with a modest but growing capability for conducting operations beyond China’s near-seas region,” a 2014 Congressional Research Service report (.pdf here) concluded.

What sort of build-up are we talking about?

“China’s naval modernization effort encompasses a broad array of weapon acquisition programs, including anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBMs), anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs), submarines, surface ships, aircraft, and supporting C4ISR (command and control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) systems,” the report stated. “China’s naval modernization effort also includes reforms and improvements in maintenance and logistics, naval doctrine, personnel quality, education and training, and exercises.”

Ruh-roh …

The purpose of all this?

Among other reasons, “asserting or defending China’s territorial claims in the South China Sea.”

Translation?  China is ready to rumble. 

China is also ready to play the blame game, citing America’s interventionist bent as the reason for the contentiousness.

“A certain country has increased the frequency of its close-in surveillance of China and that has caused a problem,” Chinese colonel Yang Yujun said this week, according to CNN.  “Some people have been intentionally and repeatedly hyping this topic. Their purpose is to smear the Chinese military and dramatize regional tensions. And I’m not ruling it out that this is being done to find an excuse for certain country to take actions in the future.”

Really?  America would never do that! (Errr …)

Our view?

America is rushing headlong into the War on Terror II and a new Cold War with Russia.  Can our taxpayers really afford a three-front fight?  Especially when none of the three fronts even remotely involving defending the homeland (a.k.a. “fighting for our freedom”)?

No …

What do you think?  Vote in our poll and post your thoughts in our comments section below …

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122 comments

Obama Has Fucked Up May 27, 2015 at 4:37 pm

Round up all Chinese in the USA and deport them back to their homeland. Do it now. Stock up on all water and cans goods. Take all of your cash out of banks. Keep your cars full of gasoline. Have emergency plans for shelter. SC is a nuke target.

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guest May 27, 2015 at 4:47 pm

You got it wrong stupid.Muslim Obama is gonna take over the country with his isis buddies.LMAO!!!!

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pogo2 May 27, 2015 at 5:13 pm

Hopefully Haley can become president before that happens and tax us all to death! Praise Nikki, my allah!

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sparklecity May 27, 2015 at 5:15 pm

yep
And don’t count the Texas National Guard being activated if the balloon goes up.. They are already tied up making sure that “Obammer” ain’t gonna invade Texas and make the whole state a concentration camp.
No shit, Walmart had to completely disavow the rumor that the Walmarts in Texas were going to be taken over and converted to concentration camps by “Obammer”
BTW, what happened to all those FEMa concentration camps the tin-foiled dipshits claimed were being set up across the conutry????

Where, oh where, do these paranoid tin-foiled wearing dumbasses come from????
But FITS worries that China is gonna break bad……………
Remote possibility IMHO………………….

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FastEddy23 May 27, 2015 at 8:08 pm

again

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Todd May 27, 2015 at 11:29 pm

The tinfoil is strong in this one. The US is the chinese economy. They could no more attack us than the Saudis.

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Tazmaniac May 27, 2015 at 4:41 pm

Does mean all Walmart and Harbor Freight employees will have to be placed in internment camps?

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 10:18 pm

uh-oh… I’m going to photograph and catalog all of my items purchased from Harbor Freight – just in case. They might be collectors items one day, and I’ll have extra money for my retirement!

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:22 pm

You better hurry, hope you have friends in other countries to keep them safe for you ;)

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Bible Thumper May 27, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Retreating has it’s strategic purposes, but keep this in mind. When America retreats our adversaries will advance and continue to advance as long as we retreat.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:23 pm

Retreat is not an option in my opinion.

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fc May 27, 2015 at 10:47 pm

I love it when a socialist pretends she loves her country.It is cute.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:50 pm

See what I mean? You constantly attack anyone and everyone. You call me a socialist, but you don’t even know me. You don’t have to be true to me, but try being true to yourself. Live consciously for a day or two, then we might have something worth talking about. Anything between is nothing more than “Garbage”

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fc May 28, 2015 at 8:50 am

I’m just a sad person with nothing better to do than to sit on here and troll day in and day out. I need a life! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!

Same ol' Same ol' May 28, 2015 at 5:15 pm

Ok, LMAO!! are you GT re-incarnated?
Just having fun. Can’t help it. I’ll be quiet now.

cooper May 27, 2015 at 4:50 pm

O PLEASE! We have much more important things to do than use our military to defend our country and protect our allies…transvestite rights and multiple gender bathrooms are all the rage in Barry’s military…not to mention purging Christians from the ranks…

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fc May 27, 2015 at 5:11 pm

Thank you Barack, I’m glad you are sticking up for people like me!

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Pogo Stole Tango's Laptop May 27, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Obama sticking up for 24/7 dipshits? Who knew?

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CNSYD May 27, 2015 at 4:51 pm

As usual Folks ignores the territorial claims of China. Their South China Sea “line in the water” extends to the doorsteps of Indonesia. the Philippines and Malaysia. We have agreements with the Philippines. But Folks-Chamberlain would accede to the claims of the Chinese for “peace in our time”. Next it could be US Pacific territories and/or Taiwan. What then?

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FastEddy23 May 27, 2015 at 8:11 pm

That little island They keep growling about? Now there is some offshore drilling potential.

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sparklecity May 28, 2015 at 11:47 am

Only thing is they said the same thing about the Vietnam coast and that was just an urban legand too.

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FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:39 pm

The Gulf of Tonkin still belongs to the Vietnamese … and there is still a lot of oil there. (ConocoPhillips’, et al, subcontractors there right now drilling right off the coast about 40 miles from Ho Chi Min City.)

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NoTell May 27, 2015 at 8:46 pm

As usual, you are nothing but an alcohol induced drunk trolling the internet, spreading your hate for everything and everybody. Why don’t you find a prostitute and get a blow job?

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CNSYD May 27, 2015 at 9:52 pm

Send me the numbers of your favorites but only if they are real females.

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Tazmaniac May 27, 2015 at 4:56 pm

Like almost everything that started from a good idea, the EPA has morphed into the EPAPA. Federal Agencies only know that the more power the bigger the budget and vice versa. If something gets cleaned up while trying to gain power it was more than likely accidental.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm

(chuckle)

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sparklecity May 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm

Seriously, I think bringing back the draft is the first step (men AND women this time!!!!!) is the first thing i would do
Second, revise the old Civil Defense organization to include EMP protection of the electrical and communication grid and mil-spec EMP shielding kits for households (radio,small generator,small refrigerator, etc)
two weeks (minimum) supply of food,water,candles,batteries etc. – that’s recommended by Dept of Homeland Security for such mundane things as snow storms,hurricanes, etc.already and is a no-brainer

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Squishy123 May 27, 2015 at 5:26 pm

A sea battle between the US and China would be over in about 10 minutes.

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sparklecity May 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm

I think it is a remote posibility but if it did it wouldn’t be over in 10 minutes and would be ugly. Especially if it involves the sinking of a US aircraft carrier.
Carriers are becoming bigger,fatter and highly desirable targets with each passing year.

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CNSYD May 27, 2015 at 6:05 pm

to the submarine community, all surface ships are referred to by the same term….targets. We have enough SSNs based out of Guam and Diego Garcia to handle Chinese capital ships.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 11:40 pm

When submarines submerge the hull and structures surrounding the people tank creak, groan, and make all kinds of ungodly noises. New guys (non-quals) often ask, “Is that sound normal?” The more experienced sailors (the guys that are qualified) often yell, “HELL NO!” and run. This tends to upset the newer crew members.

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sparklecity May 28, 2015 at 11:44 am

Kinda like sending “cherry” aircraft maintainers to fetch a bucket of “prop wash”……………….
Or……”short-strapping” a “cherry” loadmaster’s safety harness during the “after airdrop” checklist………….You will damn near shit yourself!!!!! – I know I did!!!

shifty henry May 28, 2015 at 12:21 pm

— on an aircraft carrier we would send new guys to the supply room for a ‘bucket of time tics’ — every military outfit has its own gags ..

shifty henry May 28, 2015 at 12:28 pm

What is ‘short strapping’ and how does it work?

shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Sometimes submariners will do anything to break the monotony of life on a submarine. On one boat, the USS George C. Marshall (SSBN-654) someone got a hold of a rubber eraser and carved a foot shape into it. The man then got an ink pad and used the foot as a stamp, leaving little footprints all over the boat. Over and over again. This happened over the course of an entire patrol. The sailors tried to find out who was doing it, and even had a suspect, but the culprit was never caught.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Watch out for the guys in the Radio. Sometimes when they get bored they feel like adding things to the information coming in. In one such case on the U.S.S. Thomas Jefferson (SSBN-618) in the late 1970s the radio guys added in information about Bigfoot one week, starting with, “Bigfoot Captured.” The crew fell for it, so the radio guys did it again the next week with, “Bigfoot Intelligent.” What the crew were thinking at this point I don’t know, but it happened yet again, “Bigfoot Has Language.” At this point the Skipper, who was in on it, even had to ask if the joke was still going on. Apparently, the story was widely believed on that boat. No word on what happened to the radiomen after the hoax was revealed.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 11:46 pm

A new ensign assigned to submarines was eager to impress his commanding officer with all the knowledge he had picked up at submarine school.
After listening patiently for five minutes, the senior officer said: “Listen, it’s simple. Add the number of times we dive to the number of times we surface. Divide that number by two. If the result doesn’t come out even, don’t open the hatch.

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sparklecity May 28, 2015 at 11:34 am

yeah, but they would launch the new version of sea-skimming missles by the fucking swarms from shore based facilities. (longer range too & not counting aircraft launched ones)
Gonna hit something just like the kamakazis did
it would be a bad fer sure……………….

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Squishy123 May 29, 2015 at 9:13 am

You don’t think those fat carriers have defense mechanisms built in? There’s not a carrier in the fleet that doesn’t have at least one submarine tailing it from the time it leaves port to the time it docks in port.

Sinking a carrier isn’t even a reality without blowing it in half, it’d be like trying to sink a cube of styrofoam. Short of a nuclear weapon China doesn’t have the capability to blow a carrier in half. Any attack at sea or air would be a suicide mission for the Chinese.

The only way the Chinese are going to hurt us is through a cyber attack. The world would cut off all support and in six months we’d have more Chinese dying from starvation than battle. They know we know that.

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cpuller May 27, 2015 at 8:44 pm

The Chicoms would kick our asses.
…we are not the fighting power or the same nation that won WWII…

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CNSYD May 27, 2015 at 9:55 pm

Really? if you think the Argentine Navy got an ass kicking from the Brits then you ain’t seen nothing like the US Navy submarine force turned loose on the Chinese “navy”.

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Mike at the Beach May 27, 2015 at 10:30 pm

Zackly. That would be a turkey shoot of epic proportions. China, naturally, is aware of this fact as well.

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cpuller May 27, 2015 at 11:38 pm

I read a defence related article about 7 years ago that the Chinese military had hacked our infrastructure main frame computers and 7 years ago possessed the capability to literally shut our power grids and utilities down with the flip of a switch…all the nuke subs in the world won’t help you if you have 300 million Americans without food, electricity, and potable water…

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Squishy123 May 29, 2015 at 9:08 am

So what you’re saying is we’d be reduced to the level of the average Chinese citizen. Outside the large cities, things aren’t much different there than they are in North Korea.

cpuller May 27, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Barry is no Thatcher!

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Squishy123 May 29, 2015 at 9:07 am

Sure it’d be 8 on 1 in a hand-to-hand battle, but they have to get them here first. I don’t know if the Chinese are that great of swimmers. I’ll still put our military hardware and training over their reverse engineered hardware and lack of training. I doubt their fighting skills are much improved over what they were a hundred years ago.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:04 pm

A sea battle? Maybe. That is all show. If they are doing that, it is more than just a sea battle that is nothing more than a distraction. They have a large infantry. No idea the technology they have. I do think they will lose, but at what cost? They are playing hardball with a weak ass military POTUS while everyone is crying – CUT DEFENSE.

We will prevail, but maybe it is opportunity? Timing? IMHO it has been a long time coming.

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Squishy123 May 29, 2015 at 9:05 am

Are they going to invade the US with that large infantry? How are they going to get them here… in Harbor Freight conex boxes?

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vicupstate May 27, 2015 at 6:27 pm

Please, China is no threat to us, their economy would collapse if we stopped buying their products at Walmart.

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E Norma Scok May 27, 2015 at 6:55 pm

At last, someone gets its. lol at the guy yesterday saying they were going to overrun us all by living in cheap hotels in Myrtle Beach.

Fits is clinically depressed, eternally looking for the next shoe to drop.

I’m about 99% sure that Fits actually is/was Grand Tango.

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NoTell May 27, 2015 at 8:42 pm

As always, you are full of shit.

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E Norm Scok May 27, 2015 at 11:12 pm

You should suck my ass to get it all out of me then.

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smirks May 27, 2015 at 9:40 pm

He was and humiliated all the fucking liberals on here.Fits played em like a fool…

Day after day they argued with GT and it was Fits!….

In honor of Fits…LMAO!!! Well done sir….

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fc May 28, 2015 at 8:48 am

Fits can’t fake the amount of brain damage contained in my posts or GT’s posts! LMAO!!!

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sparklecity May 28, 2015 at 11:25 am

“Smirks”
Is it REALLY you??? if so, welcome the hell back!!!
Where ya been??????????????

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Same ol' Same ol' May 28, 2015 at 5:11 pm

GT=sock puppet coward.

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Nukes Will Be Used May 27, 2015 at 10:02 pm

A Hong Kong economist predicted that China’s manufacturing industry will “completely collapse” in 2015 and that the economy will soon follow it. China’s economic growth has thus far hit a 6-year low.

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FastEddy23 May 27, 2015 at 8:05 pm

It is weirder than that. The Chinese of Hong Kong and Shanghai are all in business internationally. The Chinese business community is not about to make enemies of their customers. “Bad for glass …”

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NoTell May 27, 2015 at 8:41 pm

Prove it.

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Nukes Will Be Used May 27, 2015 at 9:50 pm

China’s economic predicament resembles America’s. It needs a formula for sustainable growth that’s not dependent on repeated bursts of artificial stimulus, whether by deficit spending or prolonged easy credit.

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E Norma Scok May 28, 2015 at 8:37 am

PROVE ME WRONG

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Same ol' Same ol' May 28, 2015 at 5:13 pm

Respectfully, don’t you have to prove yourself right first?

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E Norma Scok May 28, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Have you ever actually been on the internets, or is this all new to you?

Nukes Will Be Used May 27, 2015 at 9:35 pm

You are in denial. And their economy has already sank. Anyone following world events on a daily basis would know this. Russia and China are preparing for a big move. Knowing they could change the balance of power. Putin’s two week disappearance last March was him and his allies sitting in a war room discussing straggly. Putin has got very quiet since then and China has been building Islands like there is some deadline.

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urbantrout May 28, 2015 at 10:02 am

Yeah, they were no threat at the Chosin Reservoir either, huh?

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FastEddy23 May 27, 2015 at 8:03 pm

“Wag The Dog”

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The Colonel May 27, 2015 at 8:06 pm

“Regional navy”.

The Spratlys and China’s newly created islands amount to unsinkable warships capable of launching ASMs and aircraft. The Chinese didn’t build their carrier, they bought an unfinished carrier from Russia. It is not the equivalent of one of our “Ford Class” carriers, requiring STOL aircraft to use the ski jump launch system but it is a genuine threat in the region.

And now you understand why the Spratlys are important.

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Mike at the Beach May 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm

I grow weary of your pesky insistence on using actual facts to buttress your positions.

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FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:44 pm

Kinda like a string of bad poker hands, ain’t it.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:11 pm

Is it that they just want to “defend” their own …..sphere? I don’t think so. Why their strong alliance with Russia over recent years? Why do they want a “launching” pad NOW?

I don’t think we are going into WWIII, but I don’t discount military action and I think any strategist would be underestimating China to discount the “Spratlys” as insignificant.

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The Colonel May 27, 2015 at 11:23 pm

The “Co-Prosperity Sphere” was a euphemism Japan came up with in 1940 to justify their seizing most of the Western Pacific.

China is flexing her muscles. Technologically, building an island is cheaper and faster than building a carrier. If you don’t need to project power beyond that region, strategically, it’s a sound idea. China has designs on Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and the rest of their “sphere”.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm

And where will they stop? Yes, I remember Japan, WWII.

Strategically, if they have an Island (small as it is), then they have the ability to expand territory. Wasn’t that our Hawaii? Of course, the scale is smaller, but….

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The Colonel May 27, 2015 at 11:34 pm

While it may be cheaper to build islands than aircraft carriers, beyond tactical bases, “building land” for other uses is impractical. For one thing, the islands have zip, zero, nada in trends of resource and must be provisioned in order to be inhabited.

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:43 pm

but like an aircraft carrier, or even our own island, they are strategically placed for airlift. We don’t know what their technical capabilities are. We have no idea if they can be provisioned, though I think it likely, that is simply an opinion. Why would they fight so hard and side with Russia against US – right now?

I realize food is important to them, but why the urgency now? IMO because they see a window of opportunity that may be closing soon.

I am interested in hearing your opinion. I have to go to sleep now – but I’ll look for response tomorrow if you have time.

FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 2:09 pm

I believe the Colonel is on to it: Island Toll Booths … with the Chi-Navy as crossing guards.

Garbage May 28, 2015 at 3:34 pm

It is difficult to get the full meaning of what both you and the Colonel are saying, because I get the impression much of it is laced with humor that I am not property interpreting.

My opinions on the topics are somewhat biased. In my 20’s I was married to an ASO who love to discuss military history and strategy. The topic of China was often brought up as one of the greatest threats to America. They need more land mass and have a huge infantry. I bounced information this morning in a effort to dispute some of the bias, but I land on information that confirms it v. dispute. For example, to grow the amount of grain they require to feed their population they need additional land. Just to grow grain the land mass they need is the size of the state of CA.

Japan is about the size of CA. There is also dispute over the international waterways and the impact this could have on international trade should they acquire those island. It is also noteworthy that many sources indicate the same fears I express – those islands would provide them with a launching pad.

I can see nothing good that would come from allowing them to proceed.

Garbage May 28, 2015 at 6:45 pm

Last edit, I realize not everyone knows what an ASO is – defined.

FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 2:03 pm

Yeap! Nothing but zip codes and global worming.

FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:58 pm

… but the ocean was bigger?

And when our main man Teddy Roosevelt said “remember the Maine” … We were there! … And way back then, the mean scream media was there, too! … And that’s when we took back our Philippines.

Now that those Philippines islands are safe for democracy, we have a chance to get it all back! … And when we reach that fork in the road, we should take it!

“I love it when a plan comes together!”

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:33 pm

What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

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FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:54 pm

Correct: this is not rocket surgery. We always win, even when we lose.

FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:53 pm

… and have had “eyes on” that region for 3,000 years.

Yes, flattening out an island is cheaper than building a “real” aircraft carrier … cheaper than building an actual, full sized navy air force & fleet, too. The Chinese have always done this: building small “show and tell” equipment to “demonstrate” their capabilities. But you will never, ever get me up in a Chinese made jet airliner.

(The Chinese made service parts on several MD-80 airliners are what crashed them … thanks to Slick Willy meddling in FAA certifications, Chinese made parts air plane creeped into our passenger flight systems.)

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FastEddy23 May 28, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Note the pic above: That carrier is “launch only”, no return, no “the right stuff = night carrier landings”. Those carriers would be forever tied to land based military airports … or suicide missions. The Chinese air forces still have not figured out how to do that. The picture demonstrates this: that jet taking off is definately not STOL.

Yes, a threat to that region, but that region or another region with island airports only.

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The Colonel May 28, 2015 at 3:43 pm

It is STOL in the sense that it can take off from a short deck ski jump aircraft carrier with no catapult versus a traditional fighter tasty takes a mile long run way. Janes says they can barely get off the jump with more than fuel.

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FastEddy23 May 29, 2015 at 12:31 pm

“… they can barely get off the jump with more than fuel. … China claims the carrier is a training ship. …

So, that explains the island airstrip, etc. You are right, those Chinese Jet Fighters are barely flyable bricks. (Janes again.)

One thing: It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the Air Force trying to peddle the F-35 to congress. They have been claiming the Chinese are getting ahead of US in the dog fight scenarios … not.

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Bible Thumper May 27, 2015 at 8:55 pm

… PROTECTING U.S. BORDERS (69%, 84 Votes)

PRECISELY. Let’s put Will Folks in charge. We begin by taking over those Chinese owned golf courses in Myrtle Beach. We can use the sand traps for cover?

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Scales of Justice May 27, 2015 at 11:37 pm

Those in law enforcement are becoming concerned over your non-stop and repeated obsession with Will Folks. Are you stalking him and his family? Driving by his house? Looking in his mailbox, too?

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Garbage May 28, 2015 at 11:38 pm

WT… you come on this site daily. You make friends. Yet, want to bash WF at every given opportunity. Surely even a furry rabbit has a heart?

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ELCID May 27, 2015 at 9:07 pm

Simple solution.
Tell China to either back off now, or we will allow Japan to rearm.
Then we will leave the area and let stuff just happen to China.
Seems like Japan is the only country that can control the entire area without our help.
China, North Korea, Russia in Southeast Asia:
Problem Solved.

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urbantrout May 28, 2015 at 10:01 am

It’s not a matter of us “allowing” Japan to rearm, they’re free to do so at any time….for decades there has been a strong pacifist sentiment in Japan, along with the same policy adopted by the Europeans of depending on the foolish Americans to provide for their defense, while they kick our asses economically.

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Garbage May 28, 2015 at 11:36 pm

why does America provide their defense? It is a rhetorical question, but would like your answer.

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Nukes Will Be Used May 27, 2015 at 9:30 pm

KHUTOR CHKALOVA, Russia (Reuters) – Russia’s army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week. US Senator Lindsey Graham must be wacking off to all the news about what is clearly the coming of WW3

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 10:14 pm

‘Lindsey Graham must be wacking off ….’
—–you are in the wrong article

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:17 pm

He is not wacking off, he has been warning us. I don’t agree with Sen. Graham in some cases, but China is a threat to our life. Our World. They can be an ally, but they side with whatever is best for them. Just watch them. We would do the same thing, but they have been quiet for a long time. Yet amassing a force and allies to be reckoned with.

It is decades in the making, if not longer.

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20 Degrees NW May 27, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Wrong. Graham has been none stop warmongering, lusting to blow up women and children. The man is fucked up.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:00 pm

China is one of our largest threats. Back a couple decades ago this was pointed out to me. China is a poor country. They kill their own. They use or have used child labor. They need more room is the bottom line. So where is this land going to come from? Should we allow them to expand, under whatever guise they propose? And if they do expand into other territories, take control – what impact will that have on America?

They have a large standing army, but last I read, not the technology of America. Should we bow down and allow them closer to our borders? What happens next? Does anyone in America want to live by their rules? They have been playing both sides of the isle for a long time.

Everything they do is self interest – as it should be. So does America – to protect their people. China is playing this card to exploit our weakness due to social media, “China is also ready to play the blame game, citing America’s interventionist bent as the reason for the contentiousness.”

Are we that stupid? How free is their social media? Do their people know what is going on in the world? How free is their media?

They will certainly hide theirs but exploit ours. Think. Think Big.

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fc May 27, 2015 at 10:24 pm

China kills their ‘own’? Really?So do your liberal friends in this country.

Communist China has performed an estimated 336 million abortions over the past four decades as part of its enforced family planning policy, according to figures recently released by the country’s health ministry. The numbers were published in the March 15 Financial Times, which reported that since China first began “encouraging” couples to limit the size of their families, it has also performed 196 million sterilizations and has inserted 403 million intrauterine devices, “a normal birth control procedure in the west but one that local officials often force on women in China,” reported the Times.

By comparison, in the United States, which has an estimated population of 315 million — a quarter the size of China’s and smaller than the number of aborted Chinese babies — there have been an estimated 55 million abortions since the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision effectively legalized abortion.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Hey FC or if you like China so much, I suggest you move there. Time to take sides. Are you American or not?

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fc May 27, 2015 at 10:40 pm

Like China? You act like you are in China. Why the fuck are you deleting your comments and accounts EVERYDAY on Fits?

Weird? KGB? Chinese Secret Service? FBI?

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:45 pm

I get fed up with people like you who go on the attack constantly. I come here to have interesting dialogue, but you are nothing but hateful. You aren’t interested in anything but your own opinion. I appreciate your opinion, but it only goes so far – mutual respect.

fc May 27, 2015 at 10:51 pm

Please.you like to spread your legs and spew your liberal bullshit….and then when called on it :

Will,

“I came on here to SAVE Fits. Them people that disagree with me are mean. Get rid of em”.

SYNTwist/Garbage

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:54 pm

Nice try – but your copy/paste failed you.

19th Ammendment May 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm

I am sorry for what I did to your country.

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:36 pm

So you would deny voting rights to women? All that is wrong with the country is our fault. Good grief! I often ponder, where does FITS get these unique dogmatic individuals? That are sorry women got the right to vote?

I am turning in – Goodnight whoever you are.

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Sorry.My favorite is the 14th Ammendment.Us moms can legally butcher and kill our own kids.

Ruining FITS May 28, 2015 at 8:53 am

fc, you are the sole person that is ruining the FITSNews comments section. You are like a cancer. I think most people here could agree that this place was better without ya.

Zed/Buz May 28, 2015 at 9:01 am

That is why The Sun News BANNED me.

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm

It is also worth pointing out – those abortion were “choice” not mandated.

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fc May 27, 2015 at 10:33 pm

Thank you for making my point.American women are really soul less bitches to kill their own children by ‘choice’. God can forgive the women in China as they had NO ‘choice’.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 11:27 pm

You’ve obviously missed my posts on science and morality? I understand that reading is not your strong point, spouting does seems to be a strength. You talk a lot, but you don’t listen. I haven’t seen a single thing you have put out that is objective, only subjective – living in your own little world and expecting the rest of the world to comply.

Goodnight FC – perhaps tomorrow we will find some area we can actually have a dialogue – a conversation that both people try to converse and find common ground. When they disagree, they make an effort not to be dogmatic and hostile. I felt (over it now) the need to explain a dialogue so that we are on the same page.

Sleep well and be sure to copy/paste. You may or may not see me again ;)

Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:22 pm

“Can our taxpayers really afford a three-front fight?” We need to, in my opinion. What – wait until they make strong allies that hate us? No way. This isn’t a game of chess where we declare a winner and every one goes home. They have been moving chess pieces for decades. Yes, necessity. But I also think it is necessary that America exists, unless we want to be a people without a country.

We are a long way from that, but these isolationist policies will take us there. I want to live in America, under our rules, as much as they might suck as times – we live in the best country in the world.

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RogueElephant May 27, 2015 at 10:26 pm

I saw a cartoon this morning. It had Obummer telling everyone : The middle east is on fire. Russia is on fire, China is on fire. That global warming is getting us all. LOL

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fc May 27, 2015 at 10:29 pm

Excellent. Could have added Ferguson,Baltimore,Chicago etc…Obama has lit the match all over the world…

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:58 pm

It wouldn’t be in his best interest as a Democrat to say any of those things, since he has been the one who thought we could all get along. It also does not bode well for the next democratic nominee, particularly the one who has a chance at winning – Hillary Clinton.

Of course, times are changing, maybe the Democrats will have a strong defense. While I love much of the libertarian platform, defense is one area I will not compromise.

I’ll vote for anyone who has enough sense to navigate these hostile waters.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 11:22 pm

pretty good!

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Tazmaniac May 28, 2015 at 9:24 am

You finally made the big time……this post is featured on Disqus! Congrats.

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RogueElephant May 28, 2015 at 9:37 am

Please get me up to speed. What are you talking about ?

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Tazmaniac May 28, 2015 at 10:28 am

If you go to the Disqus website and sign in, the page will feature the places you follow with links to articles at those places on Disqus (ABC, FITS, etc.) and feature a commenter. For the FITS site your comment was featured.

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shifty henry May 27, 2015 at 10:26 pm

I wonder about China. Any country with over a billion people that says Ping-Pong is its favorite sport will lie about everything.

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Garbage May 27, 2015 at 10:53 pm

LOLOL Easy on the ping pong – I used to be pretty good in my day. (praying: please don’t challenge me today)

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TroubleBaby May 28, 2015 at 9:05 am

It’s seems to me that any notion that there is going to be a “war” between any powers possessing nukes on it’s face seems to be almost ridiculous.

Now granted, I’ve been guilty of underestimating the stupidity of people, so there’s that…but it seems that two nations having nukes but agreeing not to use them but instead kill each others pawns traditionally is something that we would see in a Monty Python skit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWRe9DFYZ8

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Garbage May 28, 2015 at 11:32 pm

In a world of uncertainty and chaos – I prefer to err on the side of caution. Unlikely it will be a WWIII – sure. Could it be? Sure.

I hope it does not come to that, and I would proceed cautiously, until I couldn’t, if I were POTUS.

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