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North Korea Talked The Talk … Is It Walking The Walk?

“ROGUE NATION” RAMPS UP NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES This time last year the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea – a.k.a. North Korea – was engaged in some serious trash talk against the United States. Of course this “rogue nation” didn’t match its bark with bite – as U.S. security analysts openly questioned whether dictator…

“ROGUE NATION” RAMPS UP NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES

This time last year the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea – a.k.a. North Korea – was engaged in some serious trash talk against the United States. Of course this “rogue nation” didn’t match its bark with bite – as U.S. security analysts openly questioned whether dictator Kim Jong Un had the capability to strike the mainland United States with a nuclear payload (something he repeatedly claimed he had the ability to do).

This year Kim is “a little less talk, a little more action …”

According to the U.S. think tank 38 North, Kim’s regime tested the engine for its KN-08 intercontinental ballistic missile in late March or early April of this year. North Korea is aggressively developing both a missile capable of striking mainland America – and a miniaturized warhead to put on top of it.

Beyond its ramped up missile testing, an April 28 report written by former Pentagon analyst Mark Schneider ominously concluded that North Korea “currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles.”

In other words they have mastered miniaturization.

“This is disturbing news,” the report noted. “The North Korean regime is one of the most fanatic, paranoid, and militaristic dictatorships on the planet.”

The report added that “North Korea has long made occasional nuclear attack threats, the scope, magnitude, and frequency of these threats have vastly increased in 2013.”

Scary, huh?

If you live in New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago or Washington, D.C., “yes …”

Relax, though, U.S. President Barack Obama’s national intelligence czar James Clapper says Schneider’s analysis is wrong … and we know he always tells the truth.

Anyway, North Korea’s nuclear program presents an interesting conundrum for our non-interventionist foreign policy. On the one hand, we believe “North Korea has every right to pursue its nuclear destiny and leverage that power toward whatever end it seeks – whether it be intimidating a dying superpower or forcibly reuniting with South Korea.”

On the other hand, “assuming there is credible evidence of an impending strike against America, then the United States’ military should preemptively strike with overpowering force.”

Who penned such an insightful policy?

We did, of course …

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57 comments

GrandTango May 5, 2014 at 8:10 pm

This is where RonPaul and FITS begin to look like the real, head-buried-in-the-sand, Dumb@$$#$….

Neville Chamberlin much????…

Clinton costs us thousands of American lives by letting Iraq fester. How many lives is Obama costing us, safe in the idea that the media will blame the next Republican, charged with the grown-up job of fixing the spoiled brat’s negligence and ignorance… ???

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johnq May 5, 2014 at 9:37 pm

At least Clinton didn’t sell them Hawk missiles like Reagan did.

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GrandTango May 6, 2014 at 7:00 am

You’re an idiot if you’re trying to imply Reagan made a mistake and Clinton did not.

Reagan was smart enough, if he did sell them anything, he knew how to de-activate it remotely before they could use it. Your post really just proves you to be a Blithering and Total Leftwing Stupid Son of a B!*#ch…

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GrandTangosSoreVaGaGa May 6, 2014 at 9:03 am

You mean the same Reagan that sold weapons and military parts to our arch enemy Iran..that Reagan? Or the same Bush you idolize who let Putin invade Georgia or who let North Korea become a nuclear state..you mean those presidents? Ahhh T you never disappoint with your alternate version of reality. Just keep staring at your Bush poster little girl.

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The Colonel May 6, 2014 at 9:06 am

Reagan let North Korea become a nuclear state?!? You’ll have to defend that assertion cause I’m calling BS.

William May 6, 2014 at 3:21 pm

i am not sure if that is a defensible claim or not, but it may be. When did North Korea completed its first workable nuclear bomb? I am pretty sure the intelligence assessment was they had no operative nuclear weapons through the mid 1990s. We know they professed to have a nuclear weapon in 2003, but their first underground nuclear test was not until 2006.

I guess all we can say with certainty is they dramatically accelerated their nuclear weapons program under Bush.

The Colonel May 6, 2014 at 4:31 pm

Their program started at least as early as 1969.

William May 6, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Yes, but the question was not what president could have stopped their nuclear program. I am pretty sure that is every President since Eisenhower. The allegation was they became a nuclear state under Bush. I define “nuclear state” to mean in possession of an operative nuclear weapon. I think it is possible that occurred under Bush, but it is also possible it happened under Clinton.

The Colonel May 6, 2014 at 8:38 pm

The NKs thought they had a bomb as early as 98/99 and knew they had one by 02, hence the snubbing of the UN. The time to prevent the completion of a bomb was prior to the completion of the bomb.

GrandTangosSoreVaGaGa May 7, 2014 at 8:52 am

Pseudo Colonel why dont you just post on every post on every topic the same as your buddy Grand loser..every repub has been great and every dem bad, every world problem is dems fault..its what you do anyway so why not just be open about it? Curious how you can blame a dem for Reagan 1: running like a pussy after the Beirut bombings and encouraging our enemies 2: selling weapons and parts to Iran literally a few years after they held our hostages. ?

Guest May 7, 2014 at 8:55 am

im also sure you are one of the runs around screaming Benghazi daily yet forgets the numerous embassy bombings during shrubs presidency and completely silent about the 240 plus killed in Beirut during your semi god Reagans reign..birds chirping im sure..but hey if you yell Benghazi louder you will fire up that senile 88 year old voter in Kansas and SC im sure..

The Colonel May 7, 2014 at 10:32 am

Quoting myself here,” …the program predates GW Bush by at least 30 years and the failure to act really belongs to Slick Willie, GHW Bush and possibly even Reagan and Carter.”

I think I pretty much shared possible blame across the full political spectrum there, hard right moderate right, moderate left and loony left. Reagan was wrong to have allowed the Beirut Bombing, however, playing “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” worked well in keeping old Saddam in check for many years, just like it worked in Afghanistan against the Soviets. You don’t have to like it to see that it worked.

GrandTango May 6, 2014 at 9:16 am

Clinton gave our technology to China…guess how N. Korea got it Dumb@$$….

euwe max May 5, 2014 at 10:33 pm Reply
TontoBubbaGoldstein May 5, 2014 at 11:56 pm

Neville Chamberlin much????…

Lindsey Graham much????*

*Metaphorically, of course.

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L I'll Be May 5, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Sounds like the same shit we have been hearing since Top Secret briefings in 1991, when Ft Bragg was put on alert to counter the mighty, scary N. Koreans…….anything to get the repubs fired up for war!

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Fits Aint No Republican May 5, 2014 at 8:22 pm

Good to see Fits showing his latent hawkishness .That libertarian dovish avoiding foreign intervention stuff was getting old.Its an election year and the ol boy is embracing his “inner Republican self.”

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EJB May 5, 2014 at 9:06 pm

Nothing to worry about here, stick your head back in the sand. If one, or more, of their nuclear missiles land on American soil we’ll rebuild the American military in about a decade and teach them a lesson they won’t forget, bastards.

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Smirks May 6, 2014 at 9:01 am

If one or more missiles make it close to American soil we will likely intercept them.

It would take very little military presence to wipe out North Korea, but don’t let that stop you from fearmongering.

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EJB May 6, 2014 at 12:26 pm

Be sure to brush the sand out of your hair and from behind your ears before you go in for supper tonight.

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 1:02 pm

I’d like to know if a stealth bomber could take out one of those with heat seeking missiles.

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JJEvans May 5, 2014 at 9:15 pm

What is sad is that, under this administration, our enemies know we won’t do shit and our allies know we will not come to their aid. The US is not taken serious in the world today. You don’t allow a bully to keep bullying, you punch him in the nose and beat the shit out of him if necessary. The only reason Putin is in the Ukraine is because Obama is president. Don’t ever forget “this is my last election…After my election I have more flexibility.”

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Smirks May 6, 2014 at 8:47 am

Ah, all the right neocon shit packed into one post.

We will not do shit to North Korea because we haven’t done shit in decades. They actually have nukes, they actually attack their neighbor (shooting at South Korean ships quite often), they actually threaten South Korea and Japan, two of our good allies, and countries we have military stationed at. They have gulags that perpetrate human rights abuses that are on par with Nazi concentration camps.

The truth is that we will never touch them because (1) it isn’t profitable and (2) they have China to begrudgingly protect them.

The truth about Russia is that we will never touch them because (1) it isn’t profitable to protect the Ukraine, not for our interests or Europe’s, and (2) because Russia is a big kid and can quite easily fight back.

No, we stick to easy targets like Middle Eastern countries that can be highly profitable for certain groups in this country, and no one big enough to matter gives a shit about. That’s totally not a bully move.

EDIT: I’d also like to add that Europe has financial ties to Russia that makes Russia a lot more valuable than Ukraine, and while they’ve passed sanctions, sanctions that would harm those financial ties have been entirely passed over.

Surprise, military superpowers use their might not for peace or good, but for political and economic gain!

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GrandTangosSoreVaGaGa May 6, 2014 at 8:57 am

Good points JJ im sure Putin wouldnt have thought of invading a country like say..Georgia when Bush was President..oh wait a sec..nevermind.

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William May 6, 2014 at 1:27 pm

Yea, lets have a vote. How many people think we should bomb the hell out of Russia until they pull out of Crimea? Isn’t it time to put boots on the ground?

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GrandTangosSoreVaGaGa May 7, 2014 at 9:02 am

lets not forget Bush also “looked into Putins eyes and saw a good man” LOLOLOLOL you cant make this shit up ..just imagine if Obama had said that, im sure we would be on our fifth rounds of congressional hearing by now but it falls into the endless hole of selective memory by the GOP and the nutjobs like you who post daily.

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Jack May 7, 2014 at 12:06 pm

Putin announced today he was pulling Russian troops back from the border of Ukraine. Why don’t you give us the Fake News spin on that so we know what to expect next.

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JJEvans May 7, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Mr. Off, Let’s just wait and see what Putin does next.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein May 5, 2014 at 9:40 pm

“The North Korean regime is one of the most fanatic, paranoid, and militaristic dictatorships on the planet.”

No argument there.

As far as military spending, worldwide deployment, threats of future wars, justifications of past and current wars, glorification of all things military, worldwide “projection of force” capability and use etc…….they’re pikers.

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The Colonel May 5, 2014 at 9:48 pm

WWRP do? He certainly wouldn’t preemptively strike North Korea.

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RogueElephant May 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm

There are very few problems that can’t be solved with superior fire power.
When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

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Bill May 6, 2014 at 1:15 pm

Yes just look at all the problems we solved in the first Korean Conflict, the Vietnam War and the Iraq War. What more proof does one need of the success of military diplomacy. They all love us now. Even the Iraqis. Just like old Dick said they would.

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RogueElephant May 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm

Until Obummer they RESPECTED US. If you look back to the wars you mention above you will see a line drawn through all of them. Korea, MacArthur wanted to go further, stopped by a liberal Dim. , Vietnam, the military won every battle , the liberals lost the war through “diplomacy” . Iraq, Won the war, put in place a democratic govt. Liberals sold out the soldiers blood and guts to leave. The country is falling apart without our guidance. Gutless liberals “leading from behind” wasted the sacrifices of good Americans for “peace’. Liberal Dims have cost more loss of American power and assets than anyone or anything in history.

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm

Until Obummer they RESPECTED US.

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You mean like the American Indians respected the insane?

Jack May 6, 2014 at 3:46 pm

I wonder what percentage of Americans think bringing “democracy” to Iraq was worth three trillion tax dollars? What happened to those promises by the Bush Adm, that the Iraqis would pay for the war.

I thought Nixon pulled us out of Vietnam. What party was he in?

As for respect, who is they? The Europeans hated us while Bush was Pres. They would not even send troops to help us fight the war or let us use their air space. The Russians invaded Georgia and we did nothing. Not to mention the fact we gave up all of our moral authority by engaging in a war based on made up crap and faulty intelligence.

Heck things got so bad for a while travel agents were advising Americans not to travel in Europe or Asia or if they did to say they were Canadians.

I guess if we would just let the Republicans run things we would be the rulers of the entire world by now. And that is what we all want, right?

euwe max May 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm

There are very few problems that can’t be solved with superior fire power.

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Sin… ignorance… mental illness… crumbling infrastructure… education… hunger… air and water quality… racism… poverty…

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Tom May 6, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Didn’t you get the memo. We have already resolved most of these problems. Mental illness is much exaggerated; not a big issue. Our infrastructure is fine, we replace bridges as soon as they fall. Hunger, what hunger? Water quality is a free market problem, not a government problem. Racism has been eliminated, Obama was elected president. Poverty only affects people who choose to be impoverished.

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 9:14 pm

We’ll just shoot our way out of the recession!

euwe max May 6, 2014 at 1:10 pm

disappear in a puff of high explosives. If we just happened to destroy the entire research facility in the process then “oh well, our bad…”

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So which of your esteemed conservatives would advocate that? Gohmert?

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RogueElephant May 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm

Louie Gohmert is one of the very few congressmen I would trade Joe Wilson for. Great American.

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 3:39 pm

On August 12, 2010, Gohmert appeared on Anderson Cooper 360° to defend recent comments he made on the floor of the House regarding “terror babies”. In a speech about national security made on the House floor in June 2010, Gohmert stated that a retired FBI agent had told him that one of the things the FBI had been looking at were terrorist cells overseas sending young women to become pregnant so they would deliver the baby in the United States, and then take the baby with them back to be raised as a trained terrorist. When adult, this operative—a U.S. citizen by birth—could be easily infiltrated in the U.S. to carry out terrorist actions.

On Fox Business News, Gohmert had later claimed that an airline passenger with a relative in Hamas had a grandchild who was to be intentionally born in the United States. In the interview, Gohmert asserted that pregnant women from the Middle East are traveling to the US on tourist visas, planning to deliver the child there.

According to the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, this automatically grants citizenship to the child. He said that the child would then be returned to the mother’s home country and be submitted to a life of terrorist training. Rep. Gohmert said he could not reveal the identity of the retired FBI agent who provided him the information, but he pointed out to a The Washington Post article, which described “birth tourism” packages, mainly directed at Chinese tourists.

Basically, anyone who manages to enter the United States can give birth in the U.S. specially with the overwhelming statistics of people who overstay their visas. These “birth tourism” packages, Gohmert pointed out, take advantage of a “gaping hole in the security of our country.”

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 3:40 pm

On June 13, 2012, Gohmert was one of five members of Congress (including Michele Bachmann, Trent Franks, Tom Rooney, Lynn Westmoreland) to send letters to the Inspectors General of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and the Department of State outlining their “serious national security concerns,” and asking for “answers to questions regarding the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical group’s access to top Obama administration officials.” In the letter, Gohmert and the other U.S. lawmakers sent, they write about information they claim “raises serious questions about Department of State policies and activities that appear to be a result of influence operations conducted by individuals and organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.”

One of the letters in particular to Ambassador Harold W. Geisel, the Deputy Inspector General of the United States Department of State, mentioned the Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin, as an example of the undue influence. The letter said that Abedin, who had access to sensitive national security and policy information, “has three family members–her late father, her mother and her brother–connected to Muslim Brotherhood operatives and/or organizations,” as backed up by a study by the Center for Security Policy.

The national security concerns expressed by Gohmert in the letters are backed up by previous investigation conducted by the Justice Department Inspector General, court filings and other documents, and they are based on information presented by U.S. Government officials in court depositions, court evidence, correspondence and briefings with Congress and in public statements. This material evidence is substantial enough for Gohmert—in his position of elected representatives by the people, and in the interests of the people—to raise the alleged suspicions and, to request an investigation in order to protect the United States from terrorist infiltration.

Gohmert and his colleagues were praised by Newt Gingrich as the “National Security Five” in an editorial on the Politico website. Gingrich expressed he favors investigating the Muslim Brotherhood, and made clear his support to Gohmert and the other four state-elected representatives for rising up concerns that improve national security. Columnist Cal Thomas shrugged off the specter of McCarthyism, and said that the real possibility of infiltration by Islamic extremists deserves to be investigated.

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euwe max May 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm

On December 16, 2012, two days after the murder of over twenty people at an elementary school, Gohmert appeared on Fox News Sunday and suggested that the tragedy would have never happened had the teachers been armed.

He told host Chris Wallace, “I wish to God that she [principal Dawn Hochsprung] had had an M-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out… and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids.” He also claimed that the 20 victims who had been killed with a Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle had “defensive wounds.”

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euwe max May 5, 2014 at 10:31 pm

Man, I’ll North Korea has the largest rubber band on Earth! Just look at that rocket!!!

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt May 5, 2014 at 11:02 pm

If we listened to the hawk squawk from the likes of McCain, Graham, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Dick Perle, Wolfowitz, Rove, et al, we’d be up to our eyeballs by now in Libya, Syria, Iran, Ukraine and North Korea…and that’s just for starters.

Yet, has the world caved in on itself? Have these countries attacked us? Where’s the obliteration of Israel? Where’s the mayhem?

Turns out, our intelligence and defense assets might actually be worth something and the so called meekness of the President is actually based on credible assessments (not political assessments as in the case of Iraq) and everything is under control?

Don’t buy the Faux News hype machine.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein May 5, 2014 at 11:53 pm

If we listened to the hawk squawk from the likes of McCain, Graham, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Dick Perle, Wolfowitz, Rove, et al, we’d be up to our eyeballs by now in Libya, Syria, Iran, Ukraine and North Korea…and that’s just for starters.

Yet, has the world caved in on itself? Have these countries attacked us? Where’s the obliteration of Israel? Where’s the mayhem?

‘Bout time you got something right. : )

Turns out, our intelligence and defense assets might actually be worth something and the so called meekness of the President is actually based on credible assessments (not political assessments as in the case of Iraq) and everything is under control?

TBG suspects you are being overly optimistic here, though.

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RogueElephant May 6, 2014 at 12:07 pm

A REAL leader gets in front and says “follow me”. Anything less is not leadership.

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William May 6, 2014 at 1:04 pm

“There are not enough Indians in the world to defeat the Seventh Cavalry.” George Armstrong Custer Now thats a confident leader.

Leadership also involves knowing when not to get yourself into a conflict from which you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Like Iraq.

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William Wallace May 6, 2014 at 7:37 am

More transparency from O!
He and Haley both promised to be the most transparent! BOTH LIED AND THE LYING CONTINUES UNABATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Smirks May 6, 2014 at 8:19 am

The best military investment DPRK can make is purchasing Photoshop, that way when their shitty missiles don’t even leave the ground they can edit pictures to make it look like they did.

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GrandTango May 6, 2014 at 8:38 am

Kinda foolish thinking on your part….

Remember Clinton gave China the technology to launch their missiles, along w/ a lot of our secret and exclusive military abilities. And anything China wants to give N. Korea, I’m sure they have.

Bush is hated, but truth is, he had to clean up a BIG BIG mess Clinton left in national security. Why do you think Sandy Burglar was sent to steal documents from the National Archives, and stuff the papers in his underwear?…. We still don’t know what he destroyed, or what he was covering up….

Face it: Your party is – its leaders are – trash…You’re either stupid, or soulless, and anti-freedom and anti- American, to support it.

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Smirks May 6, 2014 at 8:54 am

And anything China wants to give N. Korea, I’m sure they have.

Let me know when North Korea can actually afford to build any of this “technology” let alone actually get it close enough to hitting Hawaii.

Shit, they haven’t even touched the nukes we dropped in Japan, which were old school nukes.

Little Boy’s yield: 12-18 kT

Fat Man’s yield: 18-23 kT

North Korea’s first test: ~1 kT

North Korea’s last test: 7 kT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

Man, that’s some impressive technology there! People usually say DPRK is stuck in the 1950s, but they haven’t even reached 1945 yet!

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GrandTango May 6, 2014 at 9:19 am

Your reasoning, shows your ignorance, and understanding of the Communist mind.
No wonder Putin…Put-it-In Obama (pun intended) and has made him look like a fool…Your intelligence is on the level of Obama’s…

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Sandy Shagger May 6, 2014 at 10:53 am

I love it when you Marxists defend other Marxists.Yesterday it was China.Today it is North Korea.

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EJB May 6, 2014 at 3:38 pm

ah yes, JUST a little ole 7 kT bomb, nothing to worry about hardly damage even a small town let alone a BIG city like Seattle. Barely disrupt public transportation and by God ten years later we’ll kicking the living snake poop clean outta them.

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JC May 6, 2014 at 7:47 pm

The speculation that North Korea would use attack the U.S. with a nuclear weapon is absolutely ridiculous. Kim Jong Un, above all else, craves absolute power over his citizens. Attacking the U.S. is the quickest way to guarantee his absolute power will be extinguished. Just because he is a tyrant does not mean the concepts of political realism are inapplicable to the North Korean situation, which seems to be lost on the warmongering neo-con crowd.

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euwe max May 8, 2014 at 3:11 am Reply

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