PROSPECTIVE 2016 CANDIDATE ADOPTS CHRIS CHRISTIE’S POSITION …
|| By FITSNEWS || We have yet to mention former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina in our list of presumptive presidential candidates … although it’s looking increasingly as though we might have to start.
How come? Because the sixty-year-old businesswoman – who ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate in California in 2010 – is actively discussing her interest in the GOP nomination. She’s also weighing in on some of the issues likely to come up over the course of a presidential campaign. Why does that matter? It doesn’t, really … aside from the fact Fiorina is one of only two women to openly express interest in a possible 2016 presidential bid.
For as long as she can sustain it, that makes Fiorina’s long shot bid newsworthy for its novelty …
“Fiorina is positioning herself as a business-savvy outsider with a compelling personal story who can command a stage,” reporter Jonathan Topaz of Politico wrote last month. “If she avoids stumbles, a run could boost her standing in GOP circles; some speculate her real goal is the vice presidency or a Cabinet slot.”
And command the stage Fiorino did last week in Iowa – earning rave reviews for her remarks at a “Faith and Freedom” Summit there.
You know … unlike the other woman to express interest in a possible 2016 presidential bid (a.k.a. Sarah Palin).
Anyway, Fiorina weighed in this week on the issue of vaccinations – telling BuzzFeed‘s McKay Coppins “vaccinating for measles makes a lot of sense.”
“But that’s me,” Fiorina added. “I do think parents have to make those choices. I mean, I got measles as a kid. We used to all get measles… I got chicken pox, I got measles, I got mumps.”
Fiorina’s comments come after New Jersey governor (and fellow 2016 presidential contender) Chris Christie took heat for his comments regarding the measles vaccination – which U.S. President Barack Obama has strongly urged all parents to get for their children.
“Parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well, so that’s the balance that the government has to decide,” Christie said.
Okay …
Why does this issue matter in early-voting South Carolina? Ask governor Nikki Haley … who got caught adopting conflicting positions during the debate over vaccinations for against human papillomavirus (HPV).
Our view? Any vaccination for any disease ought to be the exclusive purview of parents …
There is no “balance” to be struck. It is (or should be) a parent’s choice, simple as that. In most cases we recommend in favor of vaccinations (and we don’t necessarily buy into the theory that certain vaccinations lead to conditions like autism), but whatever the arguments for or against … we don’t believe they should be compulsory.
Arguing the other side of that equation? Former Texas governor (and 2016 hopeful) Rick Perry – who in 2007 mandated girls in Texas receive the HPV vaccine. Perry later flip-flopped and termed his mandate a “mistake.”
RAPID REACTION
@fitsnews these people are pretty much the most irresponsible parents out there
— ProjectRoto (@ProjectRoto) February 2, 2015
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“Parents need to have SOME measure of choice in things”
How gracious of her. That’s what this country needs right now, someone that is just a little dictatorial.
Yes, right! Gruberment “suggesting” is Gruberment mandating.
After all, illegals have more rights than your children: The 18 Million illegal workers since 2008? They get the choice: to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. Our school kids, mostly not.
Carley Fiorina won’t win one primary nor one delegate.
I think polio vaccine should be a parents choice too. And rhubella. And every other vaccine. If the kids won’t be let into public schools (or private ones) without them, then they can be home schooled by Uncle Jed and Grandma. And if they get sick and die – it was God’s will. And whilest we’re at it, we should all go to those Churches that handle coppperheads and rattlesnakes.
Thank goodness these ass clowns weren’t around years and years ago to fuck up the eradication of smallpox, or the relegation of polio to third world hellholes.
“It’s just a choice guys! How dare you bar me sending my unvaccinated child into your public school? I’m a better parent than you! Vaccines have weird stuff in them so I think I’ll have my kid take his chances with an iron lung!”
Then why do we have a policy allowing third world hellhole residents to pour in this Country un-challenged? This is not an R or D issue as both are doing it.
First it was white settlers, in the not too distant future people of Hispanic desent will be running the country.
You are more than likely correct, Thanks to Bush and Obama.
actually they aren’t allowed to pour into this country un challenged. You don’t know what you are talking about.
https://www.google.com/#q=border+agents+medical+staff+threatened
Right. If you are for it, just be a big boy and say so. Sticking your head somewhere and hollering La-La-La doesn’t do anything.
Serial Fox News liar Todd Starnes started that nonsense. Funny how nothing ever came of it.
As a Rotarian – polio is limited to only a handful of cases in Afgahnistan, India and I think one place in Africa. The vast majority of the Third World is polio free. Not sure how Crapville SC is making out though.
And when I say handful, only like 12 cases reported last year.
Well done, sir.
You forgot to include the part where all laws regarding seatbelts, child restraint systems, and speed limits should be abolished as well. Never mind the potential for human projectiles.
Good to know you’re pro-choice.
If foregoing measels vaccinations were not resulting in a renewed outbreak of the disease, then it would be a choice, but since it is causing massive numbers of cases, I’d say it is a public health concern:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-cases-climb-102-cdc/story?id=28669137
“Oh, we got these diseases when we were kids!” Yeah, dipshit, and those diseases can possibly have complications and kill people, or at least drastically impair their day-to-day lives, which is why we vaccinate for them now. Counting yourself as a lucky survivor doesn’t omit the fact it kills others. You take advantage of herd immunity when the reality is that you endanger the herd too, mainly the ones who are willing but not able to have the vaccines.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
And 90% of these fuckers dodge MMR over some quack asshole with a financial interest linking it to autism, but the fact that his paper was retracted by Lancet doesn’t stop these lemmings from falling for his crap.
The fact that there are people who “choose” to not take the polio vaccine is one of the main reasons it even exists anymore. “Well I’d say the polio vaccine is a good thing, but that’s just meeeeeee!” Moron.
Remember George Carlin – “we used to swim in the East River as a kid. That’s right, we used to swim in shit, and we turned out JUST FINE.”
I’m the mom who takes her kids to the pediatrician for check-ups not even one day late. I can tell you that I have been required to sign my name many times over the past 18 years every time my child was given a shot. The document I was required to sign was one stating all the risks, common and rare, that could happen as a result of the shot and that I would not sue the doctor if my child suffered side effects. If the government makes certain vaccinations mandatory, who is liable?
So in the case of vaccinations, it’s a parents choice”, and they should never be “compulsory.” Never mind that an unvaccinated child could then spread the disease to their friends or classmates, the important thing here is the individual’s previous rights, not the good of society as a whole. Is that about it? That’s an attitude right out of the philosophy of Cole Blease. Read up on him Willie. You would like his worldview, even if he was governor one hundred years ago.
I’ve a question for you.
If vaccines work, why is it anyone should be afraid of other kids that aren’t vaccinated?
How is it “that an unvaccinated child could then spread the disease to their friends or classmates”?
I don’t think she has the slightest chance to be competitive for the nomination. She at least has some experience running an organization, other than a few street protesters, unlike our current bumbler- in-chief before he was elected.
And she failed at HP…the large organization she ran….right into the ground.
It amazes me how that is forgotten.
She sure knows how stupid the press is in the 21st century.
Yep, including the 30,000 employees she axed and outsourced a majority of those positions to India and China. How could anyone forget afterwards her retort that there is no job that is America’s God-given right anymore.
Fiorina didn’t run HP into the ground all by herself. I helped her.
HP was stupid enough to wage a price war with Lexmark’s clone LaserJet printer cartridges that I helped reverse-engineer. Although our share of the market was only about 5%, we always made a profit on our line.
HP — and Fiorina — never figured out that for every dollar they made Lexmark lose in the price war, HP denied themselves $19 in profit. HP also had to share cartridge profits with the real manufacturer, Canon, while Lexmark made its own toner and photoconductor.
Another stupid asshole. Measles can cause deafness and kill. What a fucking idiot.
“Any vaccination for any disease ought to be the exclusive purview of parents…” So the public at large should have no say in actions to prevent communicable diseases? I like the idea of active public health initiatives. They have eliminated smallpox, almost eliminated diphtheria and made measles and tuberculosis rare. Don’t all school children in SC have to be vaccinated unless granted a waiver for medical or religious reasons? That’s good common sense policy.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a push by the Right Wingers in the State Legislature to repeal these mandatory vaccinations.
They couldn’t care LESS about the kids.
Nothing can get in the way of Right Wing ideology.
The most anti-vaxxers are the Whole Foods/Organic crowd. Not really your run of the mill SoCon.
Fits is into Whole Foods and Organics?
Had him down as a ham and egger!
Didn’t she almost run HP into the ground? But nice rack for her age.
I opted out of the HPV Vaccine. It prevents cervical cancer and only prostitutes get that. EVERY vaccine carries risks. You weigh to risks against the benefits. I’m pretty sure my sons will never get cervical cancer. So I’m not willing to risk the serious side effects from the vaccine.
Wow, are you ignorant of HPV.
Or, you’re a troll.
I’m happy to debate with you. But I need a little more than name calling to debate you.
Yea we know that by getting the HPV vaccine, the child automatically becomes a whore.
HPV Vaccine is about big pharmaceuticals and profit margin. Easy money for them. HPV is sexually transmitted virus that can cause cervical cancer. Pap smears catch cervical cancer in the early stages. Hence, few people die of cervical cancer. SO, why risk my sons to a shot that may cause sterilization or worse?
Should it be the parents’ choice for a dying child to get a blood transfusion? Really dumb comments,Fits.You should have been sterilized when you were a child.This doesn’t quite jibe with your ‘pro-life’ stance.
They only have a right to life before they’re born. Once they hit the ground, they’re on their own. Personal responsibility and all
You’re right.If they get sick,take em to the vet,or put em in a gunny sack along with the kittens,and head for the Gervais street bridge…
Rand hops on the crazy train.
Paul, who is an ophthalmologist, also asserts that he’s heard of cases where vaccines have caused “profound mental disorders.”
“I’ve heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines,” Paul said. “I’m not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they’re a good thing. But I think the parents should have some input.”
I thought more about this last night walking the dog. So four years ago I would joke, if Obama’s scientists found a cure for cancer, the GOP would argue not to get the shot. That it was bad. It was a joke, or so we thought. Now, here’s where we are. The GOP does well in the mid-terms and vows “take us seriously, we’re serious smart people ready to govern with common sense and intellegence.” OK, sounds good. Now we enter the first part of the 2016 Presidential Election, and on queue, the first issue the GOP candidates want to lay down – “don’t let your kids get vaccinated for deadly diseases.” Now coming out of the mouths of people like Insanetarium and Blockheadmann and Failin’ Palin – OK. Rand Paul? A dcotor (albeit an eye doctor). Weeks ago I was convinced he’d someday become President. Now I’m convinced he will not. He just failed the loon test.
So the current GOP platform for 2016, “We want to take away your access to healthcare, end vaccinations for polio, small box and whooping cough, and stop wasting money on education.”
Seriously, that’s where we are. Cannot believe it. As a side note, when I was a kid the view was opposite. My parents made me get my polio shot from a private doctor, and not participate in the school communal vaccine (where you got the little round scar and had to have the plastic bubble on your arm for two days). And I was upset because I wouldn’t be in the group picture. Kids had group photos of We Got Our Polio Shots – and families proudly hung them up in the house. And now, the GOP is saying – Don’t Get Your Shots.
“And now, the GOP is saying – Don’t Get Your Shots.”
Reallly? Look, I’m not GOPer, but I haven’t seen that message yet.
Is the debate over whether people should get the shot or whether it should be voluntary?
But that’s how it comes out. And the longer it’s out there, the more it will go that way. The GOP has to be very careful now, because the second string guys will say anything to improve their position. It comes out as “dno’t get your shots.” The issue of voluntary over mandated is silly.
“The issue of voluntary over mandated is silly.”
Is it? How so?
Because it’s not voluntary. It never is. When you take your kid to register for school the first thing they want is the record of the shots. No shots – no school. And if they don’t go to school, the parent goes to jail. So there is nothing voluntary about it. It shouldn’t even be an issue. Any sane responsible parent is going to get their kids the shots for their health and welfare. Geesh! Is this what it’s down to, if the government says get shots, the people scream no? Should driving on the right side of the road be voluntary too?
“And if they don’t go to school, the parent goes to jail.”
Homeschoolers?
“It shouldn’t even be an issue.”
Yet somehow, it is.
“Should driving on the right side of the road be voluntary too?”
Well that depends, are we in England?
:)
Seriously though, going a little deeper, the “issues” in politics is ALWAYS what is or is not voluntary.
What needs to be discussed is when it’s justified to have government force you to do things.
So, for example, WAYYYYY more people die from the flu every year than measles.
Should we force everyone to get a flu vaccine every year?
NO! It is a matter of whether children are “wards of the state”. Or whether it is assumed parents know what is best for their children. Of course, there will be the occasional weirdo parent who might think it best to teach their kids to be wiccans or warlocks, for example. But short of extreme abuse, parents should have the ultimate decisions about their child’s healthcare. It’s a slippery slope when government mandates medical care.
No?
I agree with most of your statement,(except the “No”), I think you need to reread mine.
I’m simply saying the debate appears to be whether it’s voluntary or not…unfortunately, the State decided a long time ago it owns us and can make us do whatever it wants. (and I’m not for that, but I recognize reality)
I’m just attempting point out that someone has framed the “debate” improperly and made an inaccurate statement.
Two thoughts.
1. Prez Obama could end the argument fast. If he were to say vaccines were
bad for children all these GOP panderers would immediately come out for
doubling the use on all children, even free shots immigrant children.
2. Carly, just fix my stupid HP printer (mfg in China, of course), and stop trying to out-babbel the constantly campaigning dullards in the GOP.
“Any vaccination for any disease ought to be the exclusive purview of parents …
There is no “balance” to be struck. It is (or should be) a parent’s choice, simple as that.”
That’s the “libertarian” view of choice. They’d let you choose whether to expose your kids and others to an unnecessary risk of highly infectious, debilitating, often fatal diseases, but would deny you the choice not to give birth.
“but would deny you the choice not to give birth.”
Actually, that’s not quite true. Libertarians are pro abortion(in the political party/platform sense), libertarians(little L) are about split like the general population on the issue.
Abortion is the king of all splitter topics among groups.
Oh no — the Michelle Bachman of vaccine ignorance !! Too bad — seemed smart until I read her position !!! Jeez — who is advising her ! Against WHO ,CDC , NIH , all med socities , infectious disease experts , AMA recent guidelines — are these people stupid — NOT !