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Petition Seeks Removal Of SC African-American Monument

TIT FOR TAT? || By FITSNEWS || A petition on the website Change.org is seeking the removal of the African-American monument from the grounds of the S.C. State House. Erected in March 2001, the monument was part of the 2000 compromise which moved the Confederate flag from the S.C. State House…

TIT FOR TAT?

|| By FITSNEWS || A petition on the website Change.org is seeking the removal of the African-American monument from the grounds of the S.C. State House.

Erected in March 2001, the monument was part of the 2000 compromise which moved the Confederate flag from the S.C. State House dome to a prominent position on the north lawn of the building.  This compromise flag was removed last week in the aftermath of the “Holy City Massacre,” the premeditated killing of nine black churchgoers inside the historic Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.

A 21-year-old white supremacist – Dylann Storm Roof – has confessed to the crime and is awaiting trial on nine murder charges and one weapons charge.

“Given the recent outcry to remove the battle flag from the State House grounds completely, the people of South Carolina view this as a reneging of the 2000 compromise,” the petition states.  “Therefore, the people of South Carolina implore the South Carolina State Legislature to pass legislation calling for the removal of the African American Monument from the State House grounds.”

The petition goes on to state that “the African American Monument depicts slave ships, mistreatment and words such as ‘segregation’ and ‘Jim Crow.’  This being the case, it is undeniable that this monument can and does serve to invoke in the white community feelings of shame, humiliation and offense, serving as a constant reminder of the dark history of slavery.”

As of this writing more than 35,000 people have signed the petition …

In the aftermath of the flag coming down last week, we’ve been thinking long and hard about the movement to remove various memorials from public grounds – and to rename various counties, cities, roads, bridges, etc.

We’ll be addressing that movement extensively in a future post …

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105 comments

true July 13, 2015 at 3:25 pm

Its petty and childish to have started this petition, but this has as much to do with true heritage as the flag did, so if you got rid of one you should get rid of the other.

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Tikki Nikki 'flippin' Horne July 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm

I have to call Louis,Al and Jesse first. We are working on removing the American Flag from the state house.

Actually we were thinking of adding a pool and game room to the monument…along with the Horne ‘Wailing Wall’ for Justice.

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jimlewisgowb July 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm

Horne ‘Wailing Wall’ – good one

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 7:11 pm

In Jerusalem, a female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Wailing Wall to pray, twice a day, everyday, for a long, long time. So she went to check it out. She went to the
Wailing Wall and there he was!

She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, she approached him for an interview.

“I’m Rebecca Smith from CNN. Sir, how long have you been coming to the Wall and praying?”

“For about 60 years.”

“60 years! That’s amazing! What do you pray for?”

“I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims. I pray for all the hatred to stop and I pray for all our children to grow up in safety and friendship.”

“How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?”

“Like I’m talking to a stupid wall.”

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TroubleBaby July 13, 2015 at 9:47 pm

lol…that’s a +10

shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 11:02 pm

God offered his tablet of commandments to the world. He first approached the Italians. “What commandments do you offer?” they asked.
“Thou shalt not murder,” God replied. “Sorry, we are not interested,” said the Italians.

Next God offered the tablet to the Romanians. “What commandments do you offer?” they asked. “Thou shalt not steal,” God replied. They answered, “Sorry, we are not interested.”

Next God offered them to the French. “What commandments do
you offer?” they asked. “Thou shalt not covet they neighbor’s wife,” God replied. “Sorry, we are not interested,” they answered.

Finally God approached the Jews. “How much?” they asked. “They are free,” God replied. “We’ll take all ten of them!”

shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 11:15 pm

Two Jewish businessmen met at a resort. One who had recently retired was describing his life. “I get up late in
the morning. I have a fantastic breakfast and then I lie down on my veranda and relax. I go inside for lunch, have great salads, the best coffee, and I go out and lie on my veranda again. When it gets dark I have a great dinner with the finest wines. I smoke a Havana cigar. Then I go out and lie on my veranda again.”

The other Jewish gentlemen acknowledged that this was a life to be envied. Later he reported the conversation to his wife.

She asked, “What’s his wife’s name?”

Her husband said, “I’m not sure, but I think it’s Veranda!”

Rocky July 13, 2015 at 3:30 pm

Agree. All of this is a sad chapter which should be relegated to history and the history books. Since this was an integral part of the compromise, appropriate for the monument to be moved to the State Museum.
We all need to bury this past, on both sides.

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flip July 13, 2015 at 3:36 pm

Rocky.For the first time in my life, I am proud of my Rocky. Well done.

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TSIB July 13, 2015 at 4:00 pm

Childish.

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William July 13, 2015 at 6:29 pm

That is silly. The monument reflects the actual history of a significant portion of SC’s citizens. It depicts the history of SC’s black citizens from enslavement to liberation to equality. The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was not part of South Carolina’s history. It was put up as a FU to black people during the civil rights movement. The two are not remotely alike.

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Speak D Truth July 13, 2015 at 7:33 pm

It was actually put up to commemorate the 100th Anniversary of the Civil War by a Democratic legislature . It was left up by the same Legislature as an FU to the US Congress in response to the Civil Rights Act.

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a face in the crowd July 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm

And the quest to be on the wrong side of history continues. Will be interesting to see if their petition finds a willing racist in the legislature.

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Speak D Truth July 13, 2015 at 7:41 pm

I correct William’s misinformation about why the flag was put up and do not even mention the monument and you reply to me with this drivel insinuating that I am a proponent of removing the African American Monument. WTH?

a face in the crowd July 13, 2015 at 7:49 pm

Actually, it was a point of agreement. The quest to be on the wrong side of history continues with children (South Carolinians signing the petition) attempting to get the monument removed.

Speak D Truth July 13, 2015 at 7:50 pm

apologies

William July 14, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Please, misinformation my ass. Do you think the legislature decided hoist a Confederate Battle Flag onto the state house dome in a vacuum. Especially a flag that had nothing to do with the battle of Fort Sumter.

The civil rights movement was in full swing. There were riots throughout the South. The Federal Government has passed laws in 1957 and 1960, both designed to force the South to allow black people to vote. The hoisting of the flag on the centennial of the bombardment of Fort Sumter was an act of defiance and a FU to black people throughout SC. I provided no misinformation.

Speak D Truth July 14, 2015 at 12:18 pm

Do your research.

SoSo July 13, 2015 at 9:01 pm

Liberal drivel….uneducated drivel.

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a face in the crowd July 13, 2015 at 9:10 pm

William is correct.

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Speak D Truth July 14, 2015 at 12:56 pm

I think the difficult part of a suit would be to prove what damage has been done to anyone by the erecting of a monument to honor the achievements of African Americans?
With the Confederate Flag there is a valid argument that some people see it as a symbols of oppression. There is also a valid argument (one that I agree with) that the flag represents Southern Pride, Southern Heritage, and Southern Independence.

truthmonger July 13, 2015 at 10:28 pm

Doesn’t matter what you think. This whole flag mess CREATED standing, and if they sue in court, they can probably force the issue. Unintended consequences and all that.

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William July 14, 2015 at 3:07 am

Total garbage. No one can sue to have the monument removed.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm

Had the AA monument been erected independently of any agreement regarding the flag, I can think of no argument to remove it. Being that it was tied to the (broken) agreement to keep the flag, take it down and put it in a museum.

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Mark July 13, 2015 at 6:24 pm

The fallacy of your statement, is the assertion there was an agreement of some type. A quid pro quo. An agreement between all interested parties, that is binding on those parties. That never occurred.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 13, 2015 at 7:55 pm

The fallacy of your statement, is the assertion there was an agreement of some type. A quid pro quo. An agreement between all interested parties, that is binding on those parties. That never occurred.

Huh?

The compromise of 2000 never happened?

Y’all sure don’t waste time.

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TroubleBaby July 13, 2015 at 8:03 pm

Ziiiiip!

Right down the memory hole.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm

He learned to read after it was in all the papers of the day, I guess.

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Mark July 14, 2015 at 3:01 am

Who was the agreement between?

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Barbarossa July 14, 2015 at 5:49 am

Yay, you’re a first year law student and you’re excited to show what you’ve learned. Well congratulations, you’re right, there likely was no contract nor formal agreement in 2000. Indeed, it was probably just a political agreement, which ironically, highlights the stupidity and impermanence of politics.

Mark July 14, 2015 at 10:05 am

I don’t even need to be a law student to see the stupidity of the argument there was an agreement. The NAACP never supported the proposal, the SCV never supported the proposal and they are only two of the players.

The Truth is Republicans told everybody, this is what we are going to do and its the best you are going to get. If you oppose this deal, the flag stays on top of the Capitol Dome. Since this was better than the alternative, the Legislative Black Caucus did not oppose the legislation moving the flag and establishing the monument. But no one outside group ever agreed not to continue the battle to remove the flag from the state house grounds, or to have it restored to the Capitol Dome for that matter. Removal of the flag has been an issue ever since. Hence, the boycott.

ELCID July 14, 2015 at 3:20 pm

Check your facts!
You are so wrong.
It was a compromise approved by the Black members of the Legislature.

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swampland July 14, 2015 at 8:59 am

(1) The Confederate flag represents an effort by SC to preserve the enslavement of black people by white people:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

(2) Statues of white people who are self-acknowledged racists, such as Ben Tillman remain on the State House grounds.

(3) The African-American monument was erected to show the progress of black people in SC from the time of slavery to the modern era. Unlike the flag and Ben Tillman, the monument is not a tribute to racism.

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ELCID July 14, 2015 at 3:19 pm

That would be correct, if it didn’t just tell one side of the story, and place all the blame on Confederate Southerns. It needs to tell the whole story. Not just what some people want to believe is the truth.

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 4:04 pm

So, sometime in the not too distant future (I hope) will we be talking about the “Will Folks Alley” in the Vista…. similar to “Printers Alley” in Nashville?

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erneba July 13, 2015 at 5:14 pm

“Will Folks Alley”… I like it.
Sounds like it would probably evolve into a good spot to go and relieve thyself.

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm

Well, I could imagine it would be a very nice alley with benches, foliage, lamps, and so forth for atmosphere; ashtrays of course for the cigar smokers and there could be a cardboard image of Will smoking his cigar and where you could have your photo taken with him —- oh, and let’s not forget spittoons.

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erneba July 13, 2015 at 7:26 pm

That sounds like a really nice family entertainment area. You could take the family and have them visit Will. Would you make the right hand movable, so when they greet him and shake his hand they would really believe it is the real thing? My family and dogs like meeting celebrities, can I bring the dogs? No guaranteeing they won’t piss on his leg..

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 7:38 pm

This sounds like something fun to play around with. How about a little speaker box to the side where you push the button and Will speaks: you know, little phrases like “not a core function of government” or “founding editor” or “please look for my book soon to be published” and so forth ……

erneba July 13, 2015 at 7:41 pm

Make sure you have ‘tragic’ and ‘horrific’, ‘I love T-Rav’ and those funny little grunts like when he reads your posts.

shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 7:45 pm

leave out tragic and horrific – shouldn’t scare away the kiddies

erneba July 13, 2015 at 7:49 pm

Yeah, that’s true. You have to teach them early that there is always big disappointments in life, and Will would make sure they learn that lesson..

shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 7:57 pm

Check this out — there’s audio at the end but I didn’t listen to it —

http://randomstoryteller.com/2015/05/28/i-was-a-mannequin-in-a-cannonball-bed-window-display-tbt/

I Was a Mannequin in a Cannonball-Bed Window Display

erneba July 13, 2015 at 8:02 pm

As you exit the area, you get the ‘Benny Hill’ theme song.

erneba July 13, 2015 at 8:13 pm

Yeah, Those cannonball beds are impressive, but most of my formative years were spent in the bed of a 1954 Ford pickup on an old green Army blanket. The moon, the stars, the fresh air, and the mosquitoes eating your ass up.

erneba July 13, 2015 at 8:00 pm

And you could have a trophy table(a real small table) for Will. And a space for commemorating all of Will’s accomplishments(hand written on the back of his business card) and his failures.(in small print on the side of the building)
We would make it all about Will.

linthead sandlapper July 13, 2015 at 4:10 pm

The slope is slippery indeed, comrades.

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Won't Happen July 13, 2015 at 4:15 pm

A lot of people face losing votes for having voted the confederate flag, they won’t also lose votes to take this monument down.

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 4:22 pm

Such a crock of shit. Making “white people” feel shame for stuff their ancestors did. Hey, if they feel shamed and humiliated, that’s on them. They need to resolve that in themselves. My ancestors that were counted as “white” were, some of them, slave owners, and I feel zero shame about that. It’s history. I seek to always look realistically at all of it — the good, the bad, and the indifferent.

This is just more fodder for more divisiveness and revenge. Utter foolishness. Dangerously expensive foolishness it will be, too, if this delays our supposed representatives actually addressing substantive issues to move our state out of the shit-pile it shares with much of the deep South.

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pOgo July 13, 2015 at 4:32 pm

The ‘revenge’ was taking the confederate flag down. Justice would be honoring the compromise of 2000.

A life long liberal Democrat Party socialist stooge like you would be all for delaying ‘addressing substantive’ issues if it was a petition about removing confederate symbols/monuments or the American Flag.

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 4:59 pm

Hah! A “lifelong Democat Party socialist stooge” who has made a great many far more cogent and sane arguments against Barack Obama, the Clintons, Jim Clyburn, Dick Harpootlian, Vincent Sheehee, Jean Toal, etc., than you. Keep spouting that shit, pogo. SOMEBODY might buy it, but most don’t.

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pOgo July 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm

“As a life-long liberal Democrat ”

(Boz Martin)

Yeah…nobody will believe it.

https://mycolumbiasc.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/myrtle-beach-goes-to-the-polls/

OH MY!!!!!

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm

That’s a funny comment thread for you to link to, pogo. I’ve cut all ties with McBride since then. His base in Myrtle Beach now is the hard-core loony right wing theocrat hate-mongers like you, and he panders to them shameless all the time in his effort to again have influence and get elected to something.

pOgo July 13, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Sorry I exposed that you have been a ‘life-long liberal Democrat” your entire life. It has to be humiliating and why you run from it. :)

As far as McBride, I doubt you ‘cut all ties’ with him. My guess is he couldn’t afford to have you around his family/CHILDREN?

Weirdo’s don’t mesh with raising a family.

Carry on.

The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 10:08 pm

I blocked McBride on Facebook, and will not communicate with him in any way. As for his kids, I have nothing against them. The whole family is generally nice. But one of his younger kids did try to friend me on Facebook, and I didn’t accept the request. A that time, I only allowed friends 18 and up. Now, it’s 21 and up. Some of what I post is not appropriate for kids.

Try as you might, you don’t have me pegged. You have no idea who a really am, but sure do seem obsessed with creating your own narrative about me.

johnq July 13, 2015 at 7:56 pm

We’ll talk about it in 150 years.

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FastEddy23 July 13, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Soon, all monuments, flags, madalions, stickers … will have to be removed just to get real “just us” from all sides of the PC crowds.

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 4:56 pm

Well, this action is insuring that it’s not over. Nobody has to yield to any pressure about any monuments at all. I have not seen any serious move on other monuments to this point. But this crap will provoke it. Ben Tillman will be next, if this one is moved. It will never end. Nobody is thinking clearly about this stuff.

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 7:07 pm

It has all been the true example of a “Charlie Foxtrot” all the way around ….

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E Norma Scok July 13, 2015 at 9:47 pm

Its already been mentioned to remove Tillman, and rename or close Tillman Hall in Clemson and Winthrop.

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 10:55 pm

People have “mentioned” that for many years. There is no movement toward doing it.

E Norma Scok July 14, 2015 at 8:57 am

It will happen. At Clemson, Winthrop, USC–anything with John C Calhoun and Ben Tillman in it will be white washed.

http://downwithtillman.com/

Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 9:10 am

A Tillman statue is roughly equivalent to a Goebbels statue, not a Himmler certainly but quite bad enough.

It is interesting that the brand of white trash he backed was the small farmer, a once-numerous but now sparse herd. He had little sympathy for the millworker, now morphed into the white prols more generally (including lumpen-).

Topple it.

truthmonger July 13, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Actually, they are now demanding that Stone Mountain be sandblasted.

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The Buzzman July 13, 2015 at 10:54 pm

… which is stupid.

Also, it’s not in Columbia on the Statehouse grounds, so that’s irrelevant to the present conversation.

FastEddy23 July 23, 2015 at 12:15 pm

… to dust? All of it?

johnq July 13, 2015 at 7:56 pm

That’s what happens when you start wars and then lose them. You lose. Loser.

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Squishy123 July 13, 2015 at 9:12 pm

Does this mean the Vietnam War memorials will be coming down?

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guest July 13, 2015 at 9:14 pm

After the American Flag. They have a schedule.

Stinkbait July 13, 2015 at 4:50 pm

Righteous indignation can be great fun. Let me suggest, however, that unless you’re ready someday to have your grandmother’s insensitive Confederate jasmine ripped off the side of your house; reread linthead sandlapper’s comment.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 13, 2015 at 8:24 pm

PRO TIP:
Don’t eff with TBG’s Cherokee Rose, Wandering Jew, or Confederate Rose bushes.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 9:13 am

The Sandlapper Spur represents much of SC’s great unwashed, prickly, weedy.

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ted July 13, 2015 at 4:51 pm

I am very concerned about the KKK rally next week. Wonder if they sent Roof to Charleston? Wonder how they feel about our non-white governor? How do they claim to be Christian and love Jesus yet hate Jews?

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Tom July 13, 2015 at 6:40 pm

The Jews have been persecuted and discriminated against by Christians for most of the last 1600 years.

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Just Saying July 13, 2015 at 6:01 pm

There’s already a confederate soldiers statue, a statue of Thurmond, Tillman, Calhoun, and Hampton on the grounds, for goodness sake there is an entire museum devoted to the confederacy. As is with history, there are certain parts we would all like to forget (like my ex wife), be that as it may, it teaches us and that of future generations. The battle flag was put up all for the wrong reasons, and it wasn’t even the right flag to begin with. That flag, unfortunately has been co-opted by hate groups and others. The thing about a monument is that a group or an individual can’t just up and tote around a monument. Simply put, the monuments need to be left alone and the flag is now in a place of reverence, much like the US Constitution or The Declaration of Independence, or the log book from Ellis Island.

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Carolina Girl July 13, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Where does one sign??

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Mandingo July 13, 2015 at 6:58 pm

Why don’t you go back to selling pu$$y in “Backpages”, you racist whore.

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truthmonger July 13, 2015 at 10:23 pm

Awwww….. you’re SOOOOO special…. like a little snowflake…… Your feelz get hurt?

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Mandingo July 14, 2015 at 10:35 pm

Not at all….Carolina Girl really has an ad in Backpages (Columbia). Despite the “no blacks” stipulation in the ad, if the money is right, she will do anyone, regardless of color.So stupidmonger, the bottom line is that I hate racist, pussy selling hypocrite.

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johnq July 13, 2015 at 7:53 pm

We must leave it up just as a giant fuck you to the flag supporting whackos to remind them how badly they lost to the NAACP and Sharpton and Jesse. They just wiped their ass with your confederate flag! lol

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 13, 2015 at 7:57 pm

Yeah, it will help build some character in those flag losers. Help man them up.

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You're a lazy-ass taker July 13, 2015 at 8:40 pm

Character was built was built when we paid for the monument, AND the taking down of the Confederate flag. While you got a monument by whining, and sitting on your LAZY, anti-American, begging ass.

You don’t do anything but bitch. And hate the people paying for you to be a worthless, acrimonious piece of shit.

If you EVER contributed anything, you’d not be so disgusting. But you are greedy, and just use the producers to pay for the ignorant, ass-backward shit that defines you as the filthy scum you are.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 8:31 am

A pitiful squeak from a dusty dark corner.

But in America, even lowly vermin get their voice.

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Typical-liberal July 13, 2015 at 8:35 pm

So you are FOR racists, if it’s your Racist.

Typical liberal. Wake up, people.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm

Just more for the losers to lose over.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 13, 2015 at 8:19 pm

A compromise. We could build a monument to the white trash’s long history

Pellagra and hookworms could figure prominently. .

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Squishy123 July 13, 2015 at 9:08 pm

Or we could just take something out of your front yard, like the car on blocks or your outdoor furniture, which used to be your indoor furniture.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 13, 2015 at 11:08 pm

Those would be perfect in a white-trash monument. I once saw a sofa in a tree, apparently a deer stand. I haven’t yet seen what would be the white-trash ultimate: a La–Z-Boy deer stand.

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 11:17 pm

…. cut that out!

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shifty henry July 13, 2015 at 11:17 pm

Now, you two just ………

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 13, 2015 at 11:10 pm

And inbreeding.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm Reply
You are racist! July 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

It’s divisive. If you deny that, and don’t go as hard against it, as you did the flag, that defines you for the racist you are.

But, of course, I already KNOW the answer? (;

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Look Away Dixie Land July 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm

It has to cum down, too. No excuses. It reminds me of cotton pickers and slave shacks.

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Squishy123 July 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm

I’m offended by it, so it has to go.

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E Norma Scok July 13, 2015 at 9:48 pm

Remove all the monuments from the statehouse. One monument is enough–the actual statehouse.

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ThreePalms July 14, 2015 at 6:40 am

That is real whining. 35,000 losers and counting.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 8:27 am

Their pathetic impotent wails are the 19th Century finally–at long last–dying away.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 8:24 am

It could be moved. Move it to a newly established, state-funded and staffed, South Carolina Black History and Black Struggle for Equality Museum. The site of the old Confederate Veterans’ Home is available, convenient, and vacant. It would be only fair. Our taxes have funded the Confederate Rubbish Room forever.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 10:09 am

Let’s see some GOPers run on a “tear down the AA monument” or “re-raise our flag” campaign. I doubt even Pitts, Bright, or Corley is that dumb. But you never know.

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ELCID July 14, 2015 at 3:17 pm

Exactly, this lying monument needs to go!!
Unless they can change it to tell the truth, about the Yankee Slave Ships, Yankee Manufacturers who created the cotton slave trade and the Blacks in Africa who sold blacks into slavery for money.

Southern Whites were only one small component of this US Corporate IMPORT/EXPORT Business that supported the US Economy for over a half century. Yet, Southerners get stuck with all the blame, problems, lies, towns burnt down, family’s destroyed, land stolen, mass murder by War Criminal Sherman, and 100 years of Reconstruction until 1960.

NO FREE RIDE: MONUMENT MUST GO, OR BE MAJOR LEAGUE CHANGED!

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 14, 2015 at 4:47 pm

Loser laments. You don’t have a prayer.

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JayJay July 15, 2015 at 3:11 pm

Bulldoze it, load it up on dump trucks and haul it to the Columbia landfill.

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