… MEANWHILE MORE PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING HER “I’M A JEFFERSON DAVIS DESCENDANT” STATEMENT
|| By FITSNEWS || S.C. Rep. Jenny Horne has yet to respond to questions regarding her claim to have been a descendant of former Confederate States of America president, Jefferson Davis.
Horne’s boast – taken as gospel by the national and statewide mainstream media – was part of her dramatic speech from the floor of the S.C. House of Representatives during its contentious debate over the removal of the Confederate flag.
We referenced the legitimacy of Horne’s claim in our coverage – but so far she hasn’t responded to our request for a comment.
Now other websites are digging into the issue.
One blog called Crossroads has an interesting post up from author Brooks D. Simpson regarding the claim.
Simpson’s post contains a link to Jefferson Davis’ genealogy, as presented by the Papers of Jefferson Davis based at Rice University in Houston, Texas. It also contains this link purporting to be Horne’s genealogy.
“It doesn’t take too long to see that something doesn’t match up,” Simpson wrote. “Namely, these records show no direct bridge from Davis to Horne.”
More from his post …
Now, this doesn’t mean that there isn’t some sort of kinship relationship, but the word Horne used was descendant. That’s a bit more specific. Maybe the Horne genealogy offered here is in error. Perhaps more information can clear up this confusion and offer a better answer. Nor do I think that this matter detracts from the fundamental power of her remarks.
But this is history, not heritage. After all, whether it makes for a good story, it is worth checking if it’s a true story, and Jenny Horne can quiet these doubts rather easily.
That’s true.
She can … but so far she hasn’t.
More damaging to Horne’s political credibility? Allegations that she flip-flopped on the very amendment she assailed from the floor of the S.C. House. Multiple House members – both flag supporters and opponents – have confirmed Horne spoke in favor of the amendment during a “Republican” caucus meeting mere moments before launching her emotional tirade against it.
We’ll have another report on that soon – including what this flip-flop could mean for Horne’s plan to retire from the S.C. General Assembly and become a circuit court judge.
We’ll also be sure to let you know in the event Horne responds to questions about her ancestry claim.
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A woman telling a lie to enhance the emotional intensity of the moment?
Nahhh…Never happens.
“I’m telling you, the gorgeous of the world can actually look pretty intimidating when they scowl. Imagine a snow-white swan with a scary tattoo holding a chain saw. There’s just no way to really prepare for that.”
Nobody’s Perfect. I’m as Close as It Gets
you’re the GrandTango, right…..?
Shifty,Boz claims to be a descendant and related to every eskimo,Indian and slave that came over from Africa.He said Ben Cartwright bought the Ponderosa from his great great great great great uncles nephew’s aunt’s sister’s brother.Nikki Trikki Horne might be telling the truth.
Oh my!!!!
Nah. I state descent when there is descent, and kinship when there is kinship. But then, I may well be more into genealogy than Jenny. Not everyone with an interest in true heritage is as avid in pursuit of roots as I. In my case, I follow more of what has been hidden by my family. There is also descent from the Plantagenets, on my mother’s side, but I don’t crow about it. Royal lineage is far more common than most people realize, meaning us American commoners have it in great abundance in our family trees — for real.
I hope this gets sorted out. It’s an interesting side-story. But nothing more than a side-story, in my opinion.
“Imagine a snow-white swan with a scary tattoo holding a chain saw.”
Does a big ole redneck, with with lots of knife scars and bulging muscles, pointing a gun at your head count?
Your question will bring on a lot of discussion around the dinner tables tonight…..
Nothing gorgeous about Jenny. Unless maybe to a shit-eating cockroach looking for its next meal.
ouch!
Crying is just downright unfair when women are arguing with men.
It is their “go to” play, happens all the time.
When the odds are against you, change the rules.
If her claims aren’t proven true then she could have enough integrity issues to keep her from getting reelected or from getting the Circuit Court Seat.
If her claims are true but she did flip flop in the issue over the course of a few minutes she may still have a problem with both of the above.
“If her claims aren’t proven true then she could have enough integrity issues to keep her from getting reelected..”
You mean like Hillary Clinton?
“Sometimes you have to go a little crazy before you can find sanity. I think I’m close.”
NEW YORK ROMANCE – A friend of mine was on a date last week, and she heard something quite interesting. Her date told her “I would love to cuddle on the couch and watch TV with you; with my erection in your back”. When she told me this over lunch, I was shocked at first. After letting it sink in, I found it quite endearing. This is what she and I now call #newyorkromance.
My esteem for you just went up….
————–
“Without thinking, I step a little closer, reaching out slowly to slide a fingertip over the largest petal of the lily tattoo on her lower back. Instantly a vibration moves up my arm, and I swear the mark on my hand burns against my skin. I clench my fingers into a fist, but I don’t step away.
“Did you feel that?” she asks.
I shake my head. “I don’t know.” I feel so much, always so much.
She takes my hand and brings it to her side again, resting it on the violets. I
look at the purple flowers between my fingers and feel the heat of her skin, the way it slides beneath my palm, soft as silk. And that vibration moves through my arm again.
Her breath quickens.
I find myself moving closer as her blue eyes go wide with wonder. My heart
stutters and my chest aches with some unknown need.
[- Rachel A. Marks, Darkness Brutal -]
The demon is crouched in the corner, between the Cheetos and the onion dip. It’s a small one, only about four feet tall: a low-level creeper. I flick my gaze over the spot like I don’t see it and open the cooler door to get a Coke.
[- Rachel A. Marks, Darkness Brutal -]
… very good!
The conclusion I draw from your statement, you probably found sanity a long time ago.
a quote from … Tawny Lara
Was she the one working the ‘Snatches ‘r’ Us’ strip club out by the fort?
don’t know who she is, it was a quote but did not say from where
Hillary or Horne? Lack of integrity is lack of integrity regardless of the party.
If she is proven to be a liar she should resign her office in shame but it is doubtful that will happen either.
Why are you a one issue voter?. What do you care about honor and integrity. That is only one issue. The people who voted to take down the flag, have a lot less integrity than Clinton. But you support them. Have you no shame?
How do they not have integrity? Did they say they wouldn’t take it down before they took it down? Why do you call me a one issue voter? I base my vote on a variety of issues.
Because honor and integrity are only one issue. So long as a politician votes the way you want, why do people like you care about honor and integrity. You’ve already said as much.
They lack honor and integrity, because they said they supported the flag remaining on the state house grounds. They said they understood, why the state’s history is important. But that was a lie. They were simply appeasing voters. Apparently this was nothing more than a game to them. They were just pitting blacks against whites because they thought they would get more votes that way; and just as soon as that was not the case, they crumbled like a house of cards.
I have respect for those who said from the beginning, take the flag down, its hurtful; and who stood by that position even though unpopular, through loss after loss. I have zero respect for all the gutless wonders who said keep the flag up, its part of our heritage; and then voted to take it down because the national GOP said it might cost them a few votes. Time for them to go.
She the quote of each of them. Prove that they said that. I’ve never said that I didn’t care about honor and integrity. I have said the exact opposite about Jenny Horne and said she should resign if she lied. I have simply said that if you allow this to make you a single issue voter then you have a simplistic view of the real issues facing our state and country.
Jenny Horne, November 19, 1863; Gettysburg, Pennsylvania:
“Four score and seven years ago My grandaddy George Washington, brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”
“You’ll have to excuse Zo’s manners. She was raised by a group of
indigenous swamp wallabies and is at times uncomfortable conversing with civilized humans.”
“Look, it’s like this-” Zo started to say, but then she interrupted
herself. “Swamp wallabies?”
Tramp wannabes.
Telemarketers never call me back after they fall into one of my special role playing traps…..
You forgot the tears man. I think it an appropriate time for a link to your masterful “Crying Eagle of Justice” flag to commemorate the moment.
Here you go. This one is the best I could do.
http://i.imgur.com/iNQJlfY.jpg
Awwww….man, that’s disappointing. Here I thought you were the Picasso of photoshop.
But thank you for the effort.
:)
Jenny Horne, January 28, 1986; Washington, D.C after Challenger disaster:
“We’ve grown used to wonders in this century. It’s hard to dazzle us. But for 25 years the United States space program, and, my father, Buzz Aldrin, in particular, has been doing just that. We’ve grown used to the idea of space, and perhaps we forget that we’ve only just begun. We’re still pioneers. They, the members of the Challenger crew, were pioneers.”
You’re awesome.
Meh.
Jenny Horne, April 19, 1951, Washington; D.C.
I am closing my 52 years of military service, just like my grandfather Robert E. Lee. When I joined the Army, even before the turn of the century, it was the fulfillment of all of my boyish hopes and dreams. The world has turned over many times since I took the oath on theplain at West Point, and the hopes and dreams have long since vanished, but I still remember the refrain of one of the most popular barrack ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that “old soldiers never die; they just fade away.”
And like the old soldier of that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty.
Good Bye.
Jenny Horne, June 12, 1987; Brandenburg Gate, Berlin:
“We welcome change and openness; for, as my grandfather, Franklin Delano Roosevelt would say, we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”
Politicians are not above anything to accomplish their own personal desires. I trust most politicians as much as I do a Cobra and fear them as much.
Edit: “as I do Cobra”
GI Joeeeeeeeee!
Today’s Jenny meme: http://s5.postimg.org/g09dqkzqf/jenny_emm.jpg
Na na na na; Na na na na
https://i.imgflip.com/o5hip.jpg
Better than my feeble efforts!
Imgflip my good Colonel.
https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/40566633/Jenny-Horne
Meaningless side issue. Won’t change a thing, one way or another, when/if it all gets sorted out.
She’s probably been told that she was a descendent of Davis her whole life, and believed it without checking to see if it was true. Kinda’ like people who believe everything their family told them about the “heritage not hate” rebel flag and the reasons for secession/war.
Exactly.
I find it more concerning that the media just accepted it as true. If you’re going to title an article “Descendant of Jefferson Davis Calls for Removal of Flag,” you’d think they would at least verify the lineage beforehand.
I am still in awe of how quickly Mama June went from being unemployed to becoming a Representative from Dorchester County in the SC House. She has done wekl for herself since her youngest daughter’s cable TV show was canceled. If she gets that Judgeship she was seeking, will she be able to help her pedo-bear boyfriend out with his legal issues?
Is Converse Chellis her boyfriend?
I like Wailin’ Jenny. She’s nice. Been on my show lots of times. But man; did she get caught up in the over-emotional tidal wave, or what?
Wonder how long Trikki Nikki and Nurse Ratchett Horne had to practice all that ‘Walin’?
Jenny Horne
Washington, DC
August 28th, 1963
I have a dream that I can make the vision of my Great-Grandfather Fredrick Douglas a reality; that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, that one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
And then, I got a leaf!
It’s a non-issue. She comes from a distinguished family of legislators and her opinion is well-respected in this state.
Who?
Ronald Reagan? Sonny Bono?
Another politician who voted to take down the flag. If you are in her district and you care about your history and heritage, you must never again voter for Jenny Horn for anything.
Can they vote for Jenny Horne? I wouldn’t vote for her either of it is confirmed that she lied.
Why not? Are you a one issue voter? You and she are a lot alike. She probably agrees with you most of the time. You both have no backbone or honor.
If you support anyone who voted to take down the flag, you support taking down the flag. To say otherwise is a lie. This is an issue on which there can be no compromise. If we compromise, our history will be purged from the state. These cowards will never stand up for anything. They need to go.
Why is it so important for the flag to be on the grounds and not outdoors at the Relic Room?
One location says, this is who we are, warts and all. Our history made us who we are, and we are proud of who we are. We are a people who will take a stand and see it through, regardless of the consequences. We are a people who can endure anything and survive. We will not apologize for our history.We embrace our history. Our history has made us a stronger, better people. .
The other location says. This is part of our past. We have put it behind us. We are not those people, and we are embarrassed by those people. None the less we will not deny their existence and their part in our history.
Does that make it clear enough for you?
Yes. You made my point and probably lost anyone that had considered supporting you.
So be it. At least my position is an honorable one, not based in anger, hate or racism. Unlike those who only supported the flag because they thought it would get them votes. Those people stand for nothing, but themselves. Just like those who support them.
hey southern pride, can you even name your ancestor that you are claiming heritage for that fought for the confederacy? If not then shut the fuck up you dumbass. 20 bucks says either you have no direct relationship to anyone or worse you don’t even know which makes you a hypocrite.
But Jean Toal PROMISED I would get a circuit court judgeship if I would just help her screw over Costa. Jean would NEVER lie!!!! She PROMISED!!!!
You might still have a chance if you let her take you “clam digging” if you get my drift.
I’m a direct descendant of Adam and Eve. Top that!
OK, does anyone know what the shortest poem ever written is?
Hint: it’s about Adam
fleas, adam had’em
John, you are…WINNER!
So. The flag goes back up?
I decree the following:
They flag goes back up and the debate starts anew. Jenny “Cry Me an Ashley River” Horne is unseated by the House and Mike Pitts is put in charge for the week.
So shall it be
Who gives a fuck?
Crazy eyes – another menopausal diva on the Circuit Court bench. Just what SC needs.
Jenny Horne nee Davis — i can kind of see the family resemblance.
“Allegations that she flip-flopped on the very amendment she assailed from the floor of the S.C. House. Multiple House members – both flag supporters and opponents – have confirmed Horne spoke in favor of the amendment during a “Republican” caucus meeting mere moments before launching her emotional tirade against it.”
If Amendment 66 (Ten Republican sponsors) is the one you are alluding to, it was challenged as being dilatory, in that it was essentially identical to a previously rejected amendment. The Speaker ruled it was not dilatory.
It was then challenged as not being germane to the Sine Die resolution, and the Speaker overruled that challenge. Then a motion was made to divide the question, which was tabled. By this point, Reps. Bedingfield, Ryhal, Gambrell and Hill had been blathering on for what seemed like hours. Then a motion was made to adjourn debate, which lost.
This is when Rep. Horne made her impassioned plea to quit screwing around and focus on the victims. To recap, Rep. Horne voted consistently in roll-call votes against Amendments 1, 28, 30, 33, 56, 59, 61, 63, 65, 66, 68 and against recalling H. 4381 from the Judiciary Committee. She did not vote in favor of any Amendments in a roll-call vote, so this alleged flip-flop smells like BS from here.
The House Journal clearly states that the House stood at ease only after Amendment 66 was tabled, then resumed at 8:37PM for more grandstanding past midnight.
Wow, actual research . . . not something I expect to see at this blog.
What difference does it make. The point is that old Jeff dressed in drag to escape from the federal troops. Hmmm that say a lot about the CSA!
I mean you could read about his life, that isn’t exactly what happened. Just don’t want you to be misinformed or sound like an idiot.
I checked with Brian Williams (who was actually Jeff Davis’ brother-in-law and was in attendance at Appomattox) and he said that he seems to remember Jenny from a few family functions. Probably just a cousin by marriage thrice removed, Brian says…
She isn’t a direct descendant. She is one of his great nieces’.
Here it is, folks – and see who the ACTUAL Jefferson Davis in Jenny Horne’s tree is. She dishonors herself, her ancestors, the Sovereign State of South Carolina, the Truth and Republican Constitutional government with this continued LIE. And we know it’s a lie given the glee employed by a communist media that exploits it to cater to their administration. It’s unfortunate that Horne and Haley were willing to sell us all out just like the carpetbaggers and scalawags of old.
1 Cross Ragland DAVIS b: ABT 1800 d: 1860/1870
+ Huldah DIGBY b: 1804 d: 1870
2 James Jefferson DAVIS b: 1841/1842 d: 20 Mar 1879
+ Elizabeth Caroline CARROLL b: 4 May 1836 d: 18 May 1917
3 Alice DAVIS b: 18 May 1875 d: 2 Nov 1900
+ William G PRYOR b: Feb 1862 d: DEAD
4 Lida Mae PRYOR b: 1901 d: DEAD
+ Fred James WILLIAMS b: Oct 1897 d: DEAD
5 James Pryor WILLIAMS b: 29 Aug 1923 d: 10 Oct 1987
+ Frances Imogene SWICEGOOD b: 12 Dec 1926 d: 28 May 2007
6 Cynthia Williams, Jenny Anderson Horne’s mother