|| By FITSNEWS || Leaders of the “Republican-controlled” S.C. House of Representatives have agreed in principle on a plan to remove the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House in downtown Columbia, S.C.
The only question is when …
After our initial conversations with GOP leaders over the weekend revealed little appetite to address the controversial banner in the aftermath of last week’s horrific, racially motivated shooting in Charleston, S.C. – things have apparently shifted on a dime.
Eager to beat formerly pro-flag governor Nikki Haley to the punch (the governor has reportedly decided to call on lawmakers to take down the flag), House leaders have quickly sketched out an agreement to move the flag from the north lawn of the State House to a “place of honor” in the Confederate Relic Room – a government-run museum located in Columbia, S.C.
Originally, lawmakers had hoped to accomplish this in January via a “special order” piece of legislation – but it’s looking now as though they may not have that sort of time. In fact, sources tell FITS House leaders are currently exploring whether to use a procedural vote to take the flag down immediately … or at least within the next few days.
“We are in ‘when, not if’ territory now,” a legislative leader told FITS.
Would the State Senate go along with such a proposal? It’s unclear – although one GOP lawmaker in that chamber is already calling for the banner to come down.
“The Charleston murders have brought a festering issue back to the surface, and it simply can’t be ignored,” S.C. Senator Tom Davis wrote on his Facebook page. “Regardless of who’s right from a historical standpoint, it is indisputable that the Confederate battle flag now flying on the State House grounds has been misappropriated by hate groups as a symbol of their hatred, and while I respect the views of those who proudly view this flag as a symbol of their heritage, we must find another way to honor that heritage. This isn’t about re-opening an old wound; it’s about mending one that never properly healed.”
As lawmakers debated how best to address the flag issue, they were united in their contempt for Haley – who last year rebuffed efforts to remove the flag. Prior to that, Haley had gone on record supporting the flag’s presence on the State House grounds.
“Governor Haley could have done this at any time during the past six years, but no she waited to jump on the media bandwagon after a tragedy – and just as the presidential campaigns come into focus,” one lawmaker told us.
Another lawmaker was even more scathing in rebuking the governor …
“Name something Nikki Haley has tried to lead on other than the evening news,” the lawmaker told us.
Ouch …
Unlike these lawmakers, we’re not going to bash Haley for flip-flopping on this issue. Sure, we never supported the flag like she did – but we didn’t come out and call for its removal, either. At least not until after the bloodbath in Charleston.
“State leaders can leave it, move it, burn it or use it as a bath towel for all we care,” we wrote back in 2011.
In fact as recently as March of this year we were blasting the NAACP for their continued singular focus on taking it down.
Things change, though. And in this case they are changing quickly.
How quickly, though, is the question …
If lawmakers are successful in adding the flag to their current resolution of adjournment (the year’s legislative session technically ended in early June), they could conceivably vote to take the banner down as early as next week. Which means the bill would likely be sent to Haley’s desk for signature prior to the end of the month.
If they are unable to agree to such an amendment – or to insert the flag language into a proviso of the state budget – then the issue would have to wait until next January.
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Thank you!!!! And Wil, good job keeping this to the forefront. It might sound hokey, but in honors State Senator Pinkney in a way that shows the people of South Carolina have compassion. But keep up the coverage until it’s down, folded and in the museum.
If, as liberals said, the problem is not with honoring dead veterans, but with “THAT” particular flag, why not move to replace it with the Bonnie Blue flag… if they say no to that, then their lying about what they really have a problem with.
Why not replace with – ugh – an American flag?
uh….
Yes?
i’m not sure how common it is to use the flag of the mother country to honor the dead of the people that rebelled against it. Kind of like having a british flag over a monument honoring William Wallace.
Good point. For me, no flag required, I’m just glad that old rag is coming down. Sorry for my feelings about it, but I stared at that thing for years in Grad school, always thinking, why in God’s name would you fly that on the Capital. Of course over time I learned why.
I’m all for removing the flag. The sons of confederate veterans just need to accept that they’ve lost the PR campaign over the flag. If anything, it should be removed in the interest of just not being an a**hole to blacks. I get that we can’t remove every monument just because someone finds it offensive, but this one is offensive enough and there is enough examples of white supremacists misusing it, that it’s in the best interest of all that it be removed.
Thank you!!!
More identity politics and Perception is Reality bovine excrement.
I’m also not sure how common it is for a government to fly the flag of a treasonous group who try to separate from the main country and then got beat. It would be like the Al-Qaeda flag being flow on official government building in Afghanistan.
Well, Scotland still flies the Scottish flag so…..
That would be because it is a country? Maybe?
It is only flown in the state and not by the Federal Government .. so this logic doesn’t fly … If it was being flown in DC it might . The state of South Carolina chose to fly the flag at a low level on the capitol grounds .. It is NOT flown over the Capitol with the US Flag nor State Flag… it is not even able to be raised and lowered and is not shown the reverence of the other flags … It is a Battle and Naval Flag and is part of the history of SC … I don’t care if they take it down or not … just a a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill …
You don’t remember that the British allow the Scots to fly their own National Flag. Scotland surely lost the war with England, yet the Christian Cross of St. Andrew still flies, just like if does in the South.
You don’t remember that the British allow the Scots to fly their own National Flag. Scotland surely lost the war with England, yet the Christian Cross of St. Andrew still flies, just like if does in the South.
Similarly, I doubt it is very common if done at all for a German city to fly the Nazi flag to honor its WWII dead.
It is against the law.
Actually you mean an English flag over the monument of William Wallace. The British Flag represents the United Kingdom.
Of which Scotland (and Ireland for that matter) was forcibly incorporated into.
Scotland had its chance to leave….and didn’t take it this time around.
The flag that flew over 93 years of slavery instead of 4 years? That one? Great idea.
You mean the flag that flew over the army that destroyed our cities and cops, raped our women, killed our boys and men, and conquered our lands? That one? The one that killed the Indians of the West, and spread imperialism?
Given that the Bonnie Blue is a symbol of the Confederacy that wasn’t subsequently taken as the standard of choice for white supremacists, yes, that would be a better choice.
Before we get all worked up over the “Bonnie Blue Flag”, let’s remember that there is a song that goes with it that might be a bit problemnatic for some:
We are a band of brothers
And native to the soil,
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil;
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far–
“Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!”
CHORUS:
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and like brothers
Both kind were we and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
CHORUS
First gallant South Carolina
Nobly made the stand,
Then came Alabama,
Who took her by the hand.
Next quickly Mississippi,
Georgia and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
CHORUS
Ye men of valor, gather round
The banner of the right;
Texas and fair Louisiana
Join us in the fight.
Davis, our loved president,
And Stephens statesmen are;
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
CHORUS
And here’s to old Virginia–
The Old Dominion State–
Who with the young Confederacy
At length has linked her fate;
Impelled by her example,
Now other states prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
CHORUS
Then cheer, boys, cheer;
Raise the joyous shout,
For Arkansas and North Carolina
Now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer
For Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag
Has grown to be eleven.
CHORUS
Then here’s to our Confederacy,
Strong are we and brave;
Like patriots of old we’ll fight
Our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame,
To die we would prefer;
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.
CHORUS
For those of you who’d rather listen than read: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVeSKwM–1M
And a version done by the Second South Carolina String Band (a period reenactment group) using period instruments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5xdgYLuFCk
That song never gets old :D
You’re so blind, you think you’re making a point… However, if they DID say lets replace it with another CSA flag, then everyone would be fine with it. The problem is THAT flag is the one that seen as a symbol of intimidation toward blacks and that’s why it’s there. It doesn’t serve the same purpose to put another flag up, because the flag being on the grounds has NEVER had anything to do with honoring dead veterans.
Just because it’s *seen as a symbol of intimidation by ignorant blacks, doesn’t mean it is.
Because they are both treasonous. And those dead confederates (excepting those who were drafted) were traitors.
And the founding fathers were called traitors too. LMAO
Yes they were. But there were two crucial differences:
First, the founding fathers rebelled against a king. An arguably tyrannical king. The confederates rebelled against their own duly elected democratic government.
Second, the founding fathers rebelled in order to gain liberty and a representative government. The confederates already had that. They rebelled to maintain their ownership over other people.
Yeah, right. Most of the founding fathers owned slaves but fought for Liberty. They founded a Federal Republic not a democracy. New England made a fortune on the slave trade right up to and sometime after the civil war, ever hear of the Atlantic triangular slave trade ? The Union also had slave states and West Virginia entered the Union in 1863 as a slave state. Slaves never stopped working on the US Capitol and other buildings in DC during the war. The Confederate States Seceded from the United States, just like the New England states tried in 1812.
Read your US history again.
The War of 1812 was the United States vs. Great Britain not New England States trying to secede from the United States.
http://www.history.com/topics/war-of-1812
Try reading about the Hartford Convention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Convention
And our Confederate ancestors fought against a tyrant who ignored the Constitution.
Oh, so noble,the Lost Cause. I guess it’s beats coming to terms with the immorality of your “cause”. For tomorrow, please read the Articles of Secession
I have read the articles of secession.
And why should confederate veterans not have a flag they they fought under honoring their memorial, when not 300 feet away is a huge memorial facing Assembly street full of the flags of other war veterans?
Well, because the man who designed that particular flag said it was a flag pure and handsome in its destiny to symbolize and honor the White Mans World. Just because they fought doesn’t mean they were fighting for the right causes, and hate, no matter the circumstance, should not be honored. The American Flag and South Carolina flag symbolize their duties just as well, without the underlying notions of and upholding of hatred and segregation.
“because the man who designed that particular flag said it was a flag
pure and handsome in its destiny to symbolize and honor the White Mans
World.”
Can you site that quotation please? Or is it nearly impossible to correctly quote your ass.
http://mic.com/articles/121082/here-s-the-racist-meaning-of-the-confederate-flag-in-the-words-of-the-man-who-designed-it
That would be a paraphrased bit of text from a quote by William Thompson included in the text “Our Flag: Origin and Progress of the Flag of the United States of America” written by George Preble. See page 418 in the following link for reference to his identifying the use of the flag with “the white man’s world” in all caps. Regardless of the application, the designer and those who chose to bear that flag meant to represent ideals of white supremacy, whether you would like to think so or not.
https://books.google.com/books?id=vuRCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA416&dq=%22as+a+people+we+are+fighting+to%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G5UTVYnsK9O5ogS8p4LIAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
As I would recall, they did not fight under that flag as American citizens – there were citizens of another country. A failed country – but another country non-the-less.
Well, for starters, they lost the war. Losers don’t usually get honored. HTH.
If you can’t figure that out, maybe you should ask Germany about their tolerance of Nazi flags and symbols after the war.
The last known verifiable Confederate veteran, Pleasant Crump, died in 1951. The flags on assembly honor all those who served in all wars in the various branches of service – a slightly different memorial – but you knew that.
it didn’t “shift on a dime” you idiot. You simply got it wrong, as you often do.
^this
Good, it’s way past time.
The flag will come down, the black family unit will resemble the typical American family… dad will come home from work to his wife and 2.5 children. They will sit around the dinner table to a home cooked meal and discuss the days happenings at school. It’ll be the freakin’ Father Knows Best family atmosphere, all because a flag was taken down.
If you believe that you’re kidding yourself. The flag may come down, but not a damn thing among blacks will change. Priorities will still be rented car rims, having the latest basketball shoes, and getting their hair did.
Hey Squishy – I bet the murdered Senator Pinkney’s family was purty darn close to the one you just described. Fair enough?
Which one, the rims, shoes and hair? I’ll agree with you on that one.
The part of a loving father, who raised his children well, loved his family.
Too bad he was in the minority of his race, and more of his congregation didn’t follow his lead.
You have all the information on every member of his congregation, eh? How long have you been with NSA?
About 10 minutes.
Of his race? Why not poll Dad’s in trailer parks, see how many are like your white ideal.
Don’t black people also live in trailer parks?
Nice observation. Maybe the affecting element isn’t race, but socio-economic.
Then explain why the family unit is almost non-existent in their communities. 7 of 10 black babies are born to single mothers. Dad is nothing more than a sperm donor.
I’m not refuting your contention that a crisis of family exists in the community. But killing a Pastor who fought that family breakdown, and 8 others who worked to combat it, is a cause for state-wide sorrow.
I didn’t know one of them or the shooter, I’m not defending their deaths but I also don’t really give a shit. No more than the black community gave a shit about the white woman who was murdered in the bakery or the white kid who was jumped and nearly beaten to death in 5 Points a couple of years ago. I see this as kind of like the hippies view karma. Bad shit happens, sometimes it’s black on white, white on black, black on black, white on white or any other color on any other color.
Well, lucky for you the United States of America gives a shit about you, regardless of your ignorance. When you have a car wreck, or get run over by your love mule, or whatever sends you to the hospital and you go broke… The USA will make sure you are okay. You’re welcome, squishy. Go hug a Fed today and tell them thank you for their unconditional love.
I think Blue Cross & Blue Shield will do more for me than some welfare program.
I didn’t know one of them or the shooter, I’m not defending their deaths but I also don’t really give a shit. No more than the black community gave a shit about the white woman who was murdered in the bakery or the white kid who was jumped and nearly beaten to death in 5 Points a couple of years ago. I see this as kind of like the hippies view karma. Bad shit happens, sometimes it’s black on white, white on black, black on black, white on white or any other color on any other color.
So since we are profiling, go back to fucking your sister you trailer trash redneck fuck.
You sound upset.
So, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t come down then? Good. Take it down.
So I understand you think blacks are uncivilized and never will be? is that what you’re saying?
It sounds like that’s what you’re saying.
I think everyone else read it the same way I did.
Did you poll everyone else? What you think only matters to you.
I like to see reactions. Most people usually say “I’m not racist. I have plenty of black friends (All of which are from work)”
Did I say that?
My response is, “oh really, when is the last time you were over at their house, or had them over to your house”.
Sooo, who will be J.J. and Urkel?
“Dynomite!”
I can’t believe 3 people upvoted this racist trash.
Wait, I can believe it.
I can’t believe 2 people upvoted this racist trash.
‘Cause all white families stay together.
Why, look at Dylann Roof’s family.
They do more than black families. 70%+ of black children are born to single mothers. Dispute that fact.
I dispute it. Do you have evidence or just a loud mouth? What does being black have to do with single motherhood? Single motherhood is largely linked with poverty and education, both of which are racially skewed in SC because of systemic discrimination, not because of “laziness” or some Jim Crow era nonsense.
Straight from the liberal media’s mouth, 72%.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-struggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.VYhQeEaMCXc
I was disputing you making the connection between that and your out-of-date racist idea that blacks are lazy and stupid. I was disputing that the reason that number is so high is BECAUSE of racism.
And, of course, one of the reasons for this is the mass incarceration of black males.
Yeah, every black male who has knocked up a black female is in jail.
You’re part of the problem. Here’s hoping you are also aging out.
He actually is correct according to CDC:
Preliminary data indicate that 40.7 percent of all 2012 births were out-of-wedlock, which is appalling, and there are vast differences among racial and ethnic groups. Among non-Hispanic blacks, the figure is highest, at 72.2 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, it’s 66.9 percent; 53.5 percent for Hispanics; 29.4 percent for non-Hispanic whites; and a mere 17.1 percent for Asians/Pacific Islanders.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360990/latest-statistics-out-wedlock-births-roger-clegg
He actually is correct according to CDC:
Preliminary data indicate that 40.7 percent of all 2012 births were out-of-wedlock, which is appalling, and there are vast differences among racial and ethnic groups. Among non-Hispanic blacks, the figure is highest, at 72.2 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, it’s 66.9 percent; 53.5 percent for Hispanics; 29.4 percent for non-Hispanic whites; and a mere 17.1 percent for Asians/Pacific Islanders.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360990/latest-statistics-out-wedlock-births-roger-clegg
I dispute it. Do you have evidence or just a loud mouth? What does being black have to do with single motherhood? Single motherhood is largely linked with poverty and education, both of which are racially skewed in SC because of systemic discrimination, not because of “laziness” or some Jim Crow era nonsense.
Squishy… You see, that right there is racist. You’re part of the problem, not the solution and people like you are in embarrassment to this great state.
I concur .
Depayne Middleton Doctor was a 49 year old retiree, mother of four daughters, and formerly was director of the Community Development Block Grant Program in Charleston County.
Cynthia Hurd was a librarian at the Public Library for 31 years.
Susie Jackson was 87 years old. She was the matriarch of her family, and helped raise almost 50 children in her extended family.
Ethel Lance was retired from working at the Gilliard Center and worked part time as the church janitor.
Clementa Pinckney was pastor of the church and a state senator.
Tywanza Sanders just graduated from Allen University, with a degree in Business Administration.
Daniel Simmons, 74, was another pastor at the church.
Sharonda Coleman-Singleton was a coach for a girls high school track team.
Myra Thompson was the third of the pastors at the church.
These are the people who you think their priorities are “rented car rims, having the latest basketball shoes, and getting their hair did [sic]”? Damn, you are ignorant.
Squishy has always been a racist fuck on here. Now that Tango’s gone, people can direct their attention to other shit bags like this.
And that goes double for your post.
Too bad their communities don’t follow the church leader’s priorities. I’ve been to Charleston many times, I especially like the grocery store north of this church, you know where everyone’s sitting around drinking beer in the parking lot in the middle of the afternoon.
You mean like those rednecks that are always sitting around drinking beer in the afternoon outside of tackle shops? Like that?
Guess all white people must do that.
You mean like those rednecks that are always sitting around drinking beer in the afternoon outside of tackle shops? Like that?
Guess all white people must do that.
Like 10++++++
Like 10++++++
You mean those old retired guys?
Great post David.
great idea. lets create more terrorists.
Fits, I believe that all of these guys follow your Rag! Where else would they get these great ideas so fast!?!
At this point, I no longer care what happens as I’m exhausted from the push from the Left to remove the flag. However, whether it is or is not removed, the political backlash to those GOPers that hastily vote to have it removed is going to be friggin ugly. Sure, the GOPers who represent areas with lots of transplanted Yankees will probably be OK, but heaven help those Repubs who vote in favor of removal and who represent a native area favorable to the flag. Simply put, these folks will not be returning to Columbia. For that reason, I’m not sure it’s coming down…. yet.
Actually I disagree there – only with a very small segment of their demographic will there be any backlash.
I think you underestimate the people of SC. The racist “heritage not hate” assholes are dwindling in numbers (as far as I have observed).
Why not have a referendum and let the people vote?
Have one every ten years.
Works with me, except we only need 1 vote.
I agree, a referendum would be perfect. In fact, I’d like a referendum on more than this… like, a referendum on whether the IRS should remain, a referendum on whether we should fight stupid foreign wars, a referendum on whether we should be forced to purchase a product (health insurance), a referendum on whether civil rights trump property rights, a referendum on whether the majority should be forced to accept perversions as a norm, etc., etc., etc… so yeah, I LOVE referendums!
Nothing like a referendum on the confederate flag to promote unity!
Nothing like a referendum on the confederate flag to promote unity!
Yes, they will lose the angry over 60 white male vote! Who will be their new base?
yep, who represent a huge voting block that just happens to consistently vote. Also, let’s not forget that many, many women aren’t as hating on the flag as you may think either. Finally, the love of the historical South ain’t quite an old folks thing either as many many young blue collar folks – you know the ones with the rebel flags on their 4x4s – will be voting for it…. so what I’m basically saying is that your theory is full of it.
In their defense, many of the young-un’s have been lied to since their birth. They think that the war wasn’t fought over the “right” to own slaves…
All they have to do is read the actual justification for secession:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
A huge voting block that decreases by the minute. beep… beep… beep… beeeeeeeeeeeeeep…
The good news is, the younguns in 4X4s have been kept stupid enough that they don’t really vote. The youngsters who vote are the educated ones that go to college, and guess how they vote?
Folks, I haven’t seen and heard so much instant activity from the governor and the legislature since the time I kicked in a fire ant nest,
He Shifty – too bad there really is no joke you could post on this topic to lighten the mood. I say that in honesty – oddly this time around the debate has been rather emotional. We really could use a mood lifter. Or pictures of Taylor.
Nothing like capitalizing on the deaths of 9 innocent people for political jockeying and spotlighting. Who is even talking about the murdered people now? Total bullshit. Typical SC politics.
1,000 +
What about the license plate also?
You know Wil – there’s going to be a huge amount of a specific demographic that complains about this – the over 60 white demographic. And people will try and discredit it by saying it was Yankees etc. How about we get a piece from Taylor – on her view? My guess is, and I may be wrong, that as a younger SC resident, who was born and raised here, she may very well surprise many of us with how her generation sees it.
This is actually a really good point. It’s sort of like the debate over gay marriage. The racism and hate are sort of aging out of the population. Now that the people (18-49) who spend most of the money on stuff are from after Jim Crow and segregation, the politicians are finally beginning to see that maybe there is room for being more open minded about stuff. Lots of young folks were on that bridge yesterday, but I didn’t see a lot of old white guys like you do at Hardee’s.
Yeah, but let’s be fair. Hardee’s has a dang good sausage and egg biscuit. Never let it be said southern culture didn’t add to America.
Unfortunately, a twenty-one year old Lexington County redneck just disproved your “aging out” theory.
There’s weak minded people who can think for themselves in all demographics. Luckily, they are severely outnumbered.
There’s weak minded people who can think for themselves in all demographics. Luckily, they are severely outnumbered.
Yup. It was an all-white SC legislature that, in 1961, chose to use the Confederate flag as a way to give the middle finger to JFK, the national Civil War Centennial Committee, and integration.
An all-white legislature brought the nearly-forgotten battle flag of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia back, atop the statehouse dome, as a symbol of white South Carolinians’ racial intolerance and opposition to integration.
It was not Black Americans, not Yankees, and not liberals who made the flag a symbol of racial intolerance. It was our very own (white) legislators.
Remove all confederate flags flying at Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston, SC NOW!
Remove all confederate statues in Charleston, SC and South Carolina NOW!
Tear down the old slave museum in Charleston, SC NOW!
Tear down Fort Sumter in Charleston, SC NOW!
Ban all civil war reenactments NOW!
Add a white history month. Get rid of NAACP. It stands for one races rights. Make it united for all races. Martin Luther King wanted us all equal.
actually you would also have to remove the term “African American” and just use the word “American” for all that weren’t actually born in Africa, as that signifies “heritage” that is actually less than the flag. But I am against the flag so don’t spew any bs towards me
So you are the only one allowed to spew BS, I get it now…
There are 12 white history months.
Lol. Typical response…
Remove all confederate flags flying at Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston, SC NOW!
Remove all confederate statues in Charleston, SC and South Carolina NOW!
Tear down the old slave museum in Charleston, SC NOW!
Tear down Fort Sumter in Charleston, SC NOW!
Ban all civil war reenactments NOW!
I got no issue with re-enactments – those true to the historical record show the Confederacy lost.
Remove The HL Hunley from Charleston, SC and sell it for SCRAPE METAL NOW!
It’s value is severely reduced by the time spent underwater.
I want Al Sharpton deported back to Africa.
We want you deported back to Russia.
He probably wants you deported back to Stupidsville… so, there, you’re even.
South Carolina legislatures … hahahaahaha … bunch of corrupt lazy ass sperm swallowing chicken shit mother fuckers that all deserve to be in prison. hahahaahaha. Lets use this opportunity since SC is getting so much international attention to throw attention on them, the corrupt and lawless court system, the corrupt judge selection and voting process, Bobby Harrell and how he got off easy, corrupt judge casey manning, drunk alcoholic supreme cunt jean toad. Lets go post remarks about it all on every major news website that is running this story about the flag.
ITS A GREAT DAY TO EXPOSE IT ALL IN SOUTH CAROLINA :)
I guess that’s what it takes for SC Republicans to decide and finally do the “right thing” on an issue… 9 murders.
Lame – you’ll recall that a real democrat put the damn thing on the dome and it took a Republican to take it down.
Don’t fall for it Colonel. The decision to put it up, and the decision to take it down, neither are partisan really. It was racism that put it up, and rejection of racism that takes it down.
Don’t disagree, it’s a “hard thing” because it’s a “heart thing” – just pointing out the fallacy of Ol’Charlie’s argument…
I cannot agree. It was racism that put it up, and racism that has kept it up all these years. It is political fear that has caused it to come down. This is not rejection of racism. The National Republican Party wants this flag issue settled before the primaries. The power of the neo-confederates in SC has waned. The Republicans in the legislature fear the politics of this situation and taking it down seems the option least fraught with danger. Especially if they act in unison. Who will the racists and red necks turn too, the Democrats? Not likely.
If there had not been public outcry to remove the flag, if the national Republican Party had not felt threated by this issue, the Legislature would not even be considering this now. This is politics pure and simple..
So those racist Democrats put it up there?
No, racist legislators.
Actually Governor Hollings put it up and the legislature kept it up…
Well yeah it’s politics, but it’s SC politics. You saw that the day after the murders on this site.
It is not SC Politics. It is National Politics. If this was just SC politics the flag would probably not be coming down at all. The National Republican party is applying pressure to Nikki and the local party to make this problem go away. They don’t want every Republican candidate having to take a stand on the Confederate Flag.
Sorry Tom – I disagree. The issue of the flag started bright and early Thursday afternoon. It’s been the outcry from people here over the weekend. They all put their finger in the air Friday and waited. By yesterday they had judged the direction of the wind.
Exactly. the response It is not a rejection of racism. It is based on political fear. That fear comes not only from within SC but through forces outside of the state.
Your argument is bogus. The racist Democrats abandoned the Democratic Party in the 60s and 70s; and became Republicans. The modern Republican Party in the South is the legacy of that movement.
The Republican party owes its dominance in the south to racism. They have always portrayed themselves as the party that will protect white people from black people…
Fritz Hollings put it up. He’s not nor was he ever a republican. I doubt he ever even considered changing parties. During the 1988 Presidential primaries, Hollings endorsed Jesse Jackson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ernest_Hollings
Fritz Hollings did not put it up there, the legislature put it up there. No one denies the fact the Democratic Party of the South was dominated by racists from the time of the civil war through the 1960s. It absolutely was. But after the Civil Rights movement and resulting civil rights legislation, the hard core racist Democrats abandoned they Democratic party and ultimately became Republicans. They then took that party from nothing to total dominance in the South. Same people, new party. The current Southern Republican Party is their legacy. They used racism, fear and hatred of minorities to fuel their conversion of the South from solid Democrat to solid Republican. That’s what Lee Atwater’s “southern strategy” was all about.
Sorry, Fritz allowed it to go up and stay up in 1961 – the vote wasn’t until 1962. It wasn’t unusual to fly the flag from time to time to celebrate Confederate holidays but this time it went up at the request of Representative John May and stayed up because Fritz said so.
But don’t let facts interfere with your rant…
http://www.scpronet.com/point/9909/p04.html
Please stop the dishonesty. Hollings put the flag up to celebrate the centennial of the battle of Fort Sumter. It was supposed to come back down. After the centennial was over the legislature voted to keep it up as a FU to the Federal Government and black people everywhere.. Was Hollings a racist in 1961. Probably to some degree he was. Most people of his age and class were. But can he be blamed for the flag being on the state house for decades? No. Was it put up originally as a symbol of racism. No, but it was controversial. Did it stay up for racist reasons after the centennial? I think so.
None of that changes anything I have said. The history of Republican Party in the South and its rise to predominance here is tied deeply to racism and fear of minorities having political power. Most of the racist Politicians did switch parties and become Republicans, Republicans have not hesitated to exploit racist sentiment in their rise to power.
Sorry, the Democratic governor of a nearly completely Democrat legislature gets credit for everything the legislature does available to. He could have vetoed the bill. He also could have ordered it taken down after the centennial celebration.
In 1961 all Southern Democrats were not racists, but almost all southern racists were Democrats. Today all Southern Republicans are not racists, but almost all southern racists are Republicans It is as simple as that. The persons dominating the political parties have switched places over the past 50 years.
To say it is “…as simple as that. ..” belies the complexity of politics and humanity and you’re deluded if you believe it is that simple.
Regardless of the reason, to say my statement is not true, is to deny reality.
Clearly you’ve never heard RobutFode, Wendell Gilliard, or Jim Clyburn speak.
You have an odd definition of racism. There is a difference between anger and distrust; and racism. While the symptoms may manifest in similar ways, the cause is not the same.
Yeah, where is Clyburn in all of this? Surprisingly quiet, I must say. Very interesting.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clyburn-confederate-battle-flag-article-1.2264751
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/21/james-clyburn/james-clyburn-says-original-confederate-flag-compr/
Next question.
Sorry, Fritz allowed it to go up and stay up in 1961 – the vote wasn’t until 1962. It wasn’t unusual to fly the flag from time to time to celebrate Confederate holidays but this time it went up at the request of Representative John May and stayed up because Fritz said so.
But don’t let facts interfere with your rant…
http://www.scpronet.com/point/9909/p04.html
In 1993, Hollings told reporters that he attended international summits because, “Everybody likes to go to Geneva. I used to do it for the Law of the Sea conferences and you’d find those potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
Yeah, yeah, yeah heard it all before, the “big switcharoo” and all the racists became Republican and all the “good hearted lovers of all races” became Democrats. The Racist Democrat that put it up was named Ernst Fritz Hollings –
he died a Democratleft office as a died in the wool Democrat so take your “sort of somewhat true” highly debatable argument somewhere else. A few loud racist Republicans damaged the Republican brand and allowed the far more subtle Democrat racists to garner African American support.The first African American to serve as a senior Senate Staff member was Thomas Moss who worked fro none other than Strom Thurmond (prior to that it was 1937 when Mississippi Senator Pat Harrison hired an African American named Jessie Nichols as a clerk)
Wait a minute- Fritz is dead?
Yeah, sucks doesn’t it…
I believe he is still alive.
He, Elvis, Lee Atwater and Strom have a blues combo that plays Saturday nights down in Beaufort?
What’s their name – Black Mans Blues?
Come on now all 4 of them over a significant portion of their celebrity to the black man.
Actually I took that name ’cause I was playing Lynrd Skynrd’s Ballad of Curtis Lowe earlier. Ole’ Curtis was a black man, with white curly hair, when he had a fifth of wine, he did not have a care ——-
Great band, great song, and “…I hope Neil Young will remember that a Southern Man don’t leave him around…”
He, Elvis, Lee Atwater and Strom have a blues combo that plays Saturday nights down in Beaufort?
He is – I’m trying to be funny but it really isn’t…
Not unless it happened in the last 30 minutes.
Not unless it happened in the last 30 minutes.
Yeah, sucks doesn’t it…
Yeah, yeah, yeah heard it all before, the “big switcharoo” and all the racists became Republican and all the “good hearted lovers of all races” became Democrats.
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and so have all Republicans, but they keep vomiting up the idea that liberals are racists because the South *was* Democrat.
Axe Governor Haley why the flag must be taken down. And do not let her talk in circles. She must give a specific pinpoint reason.
Can she give 9 specific reasons?
she knows ’69’, but don’t push her on that ….
Can she give 9 specific reasons?
Why doesn’t the worthless governor ban illegal immigrants?
Because the Farm Bureau won’t allow it.
South Carolina Magistrate Judge Gosnell should be thrown off the bench for using the N word and for protecting his friend in a DUI charge.
The call for the removal of a historical flag has gone viral on the internet. Many say Haley is a douche bag and is reacting and so are SC lawmakers. I am amazed at the amount of support all across the internet to keep the flag in place. Tens of thousands of others say the anti flag people will not stop here. They will want anything tied to the civil war in the south removed. Stupid South Carolina. And stupid is as stupid does. You are selling your soul to the devil. The flag is on Drudge, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, Washington Post, NY Times and many international websites. The support to keep history flying and for this flag is strong.
Who really gives a shit about “anything tied to the civil war”? Seriously. That damn war happened a really long time ago and it’s time to let it stay in the past. The only ones I know that care about that stuff are the biggest racists I’ve ever known. “Heritage not hate” my ass.
But, SC will lose in the long run if it doesn’t remove that flag…so, you were onto something in your title anyway.
Citation needed… I think you’re reading the news from “Bullshit Mountain.”
In the months, and even years, to come when there is another event like Charleston’s, and “The Flag” has been removed , then where will the blame be targeted? The laughing stocks will be brought out.
Yeah but then we’ll have to begin addressing the hard truths about things like evil…
Yeah I know, I just pipe dreaming.
….. like I said about the fire ant nest
Next up? We’ve already seen it..about a dozen buildings on the USC, Clemson, and Wofford campuses.
If you give up your flag; you’ll give up your guns.
Wanna bet?
It’s not my flag. Mine is blue and has a tree on it…
Here is comes!!! —– Headlines to appear — “SC Only State In Nation, Citizens Have No Say So In Who Their Judges Are To Be.” … YES!YES!YES! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Nikki Haley calls for removing the flag, she has gotten calls from the CEOs of BMW, Boeing and Volvo.
It might be, but she probably also got a lot of calls from SC residents.
She got one from me.
She got one from me.
The majority of South Carolinians want it to stay where it is.
It was the flag that killed those 9 people ……. not the gun and the drugs. Keep your facts correct.
No, it was a kid with a gun. Removal of the flag is about healing and unity within the state.
You’re a psychotic.
No, I’m the psycho! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
No. Dead men tell no lies. Get back in your grave, idiot.
You’re projecting.
Haley can not give general reasons for taking the flag down. She has to say exactly why and explain exactly why. There is no excuse if she refuses to do this. She will make a total ass of herself on national news if she does not give exactly reasons for removal.
Healing. Bet you ten bucks.
It will sound very weak and pussy ass to the nation to say that.
No, it will sound like the truth.
I know a lot about being weak and pussy-assed! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
She can just read 9 names and show a picture of Dylann Roof waving that hateful flag. Justification done.
She can just read 9 names and show a picture of Dylann Roof waving that hateful flag. Justification done.
Oh – I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Keepin, my flag, and bein’ rotten,
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land we like our Klan, and Stars and Bars a flying,
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Why Jesup, get me anotha Mint Julip. I think I’ll take my rest on the back porch. And don’t procrastinate boy, I’m thirsty.
People from O-FUCKING-HI-O are sofa king rude.
That’s why I moved there! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
well as a citizen of the united states of America , i can only say the people who want it down don’t know any history of the south and don’t need to be in the south ,but up north where they come from and if they are from the south they need to move up north and stay
because they are not wanted or needed down here . the only one who don’t like the stars and bars come to my house and try to get mine and you’ll see what happens to complainer and people who want to be trouble makers.
You can keep yours. No one cares. We’re talking about the State House campus.
You are gay.
Rex? Are you a dog? Wanna get married? LMAO!!!
Awww – is that supposed to hurt my feelings?
Which means he will be able to get married on the state house steps without that ugly flag messing up the pictures any day now!
Which means he will be able to get married on the state house steps without that ugly flag messing up the pictures any day now!
well do you own the state house campus
We all do.
We all do.
well do you own the state house campus
Do you REALLY know the history? I doubt it.
I’m as “Southern” as anyone, but I think you are an idiot. You probably think the war wasn’t fought for slavery…am I right?
you not southern you’re just a want a be and probably just a child . it was not see you don’t know as much as you though stupid
If your Southern then you’re probably aware of that little fact – you lost the war. Period. End of conversation. To the victors go the spoils. To the losers goes our mercy.
we don’t need your mercy we need for you to kiss our asses
And apparently our money. Tell you what So Bo – why don’t we let you have your state back – I’ll move to Florida. But if you don’t mind we’d like to have back our stuff. Like we move Ft. Jackson to New Jersey, Parris Island facility can go to Jacksonville. We can migrate the air base at Sumtner to say Georgia. Let’s see, what did I miss. Oh, the Naval Data Center from Charleston to San Diego, we can also move any ships left in Charleston to Norfolk, remove any federal funding to USC and Clemson, keep our share for port expansion in Charleston, replace the silt in Cooper River, and for good measure stop contracts with Boeing until they relocate to Miami. Then you can keep your Southern Boy Heritage in tact.
And apparently our money. Tell you what So Bo – why don’t we let you have your state back – I’ll move to Florida. But if you don’t mind we’d like to have back our stuff. Like we move Ft. Jackson to New Jersey, Parris Island facility can go to Jacksonville. We can migrate the air base at Sumtner to say Georgia. Let’s see, what did I miss. Oh, the Naval Data Center from Charleston to San Diego, we can also move any ships left in Charleston to Norfolk, remove any federal funding to USC and Clemson, keep our share for port expansion in Charleston, replace the silt in Cooper River, and for good measure stop contracts with Boeing until they relocate to Miami. Then you can keep your Southern Boy Heritage in tact.
we don’t need your mercy we need for you to kiss our asses
Thanks for the “mercy” of Reconstruction.
If your Southern then you’re probably aware of that little fact – you lost the war. Period. End of conversation. To the victors go the spoils. To the losers goes our mercy.
You are an embarrassment to what it truly means to be southern. Please stop talking. I think for people like you, I’ll start using quotes around “southern”, because being a redneck isn’t being southern. Being willfully ignorant isn’t being southern. Being a whiney little bitch about other people’s “entitlements” isn’t being southern. You, sir, are just a redneck, and they come from ALL parts of the country. There are people JUST LIKE you in Minnesota. You’re not special.
You are an embarrassment to what it truly means to be southern. Please stop talking. I think for people like you, I’ll start using quotes around “southern”, because being a redneck isn’t being southern. Being willfully ignorant isn’t being southern. Being a whiney little bitch about other people’s “entitlements” isn’t being southern. You, sir, are just a redneck, and they come from ALL parts of the country. There are people JUST LIKE you in Minnesota. You’re not special.
Crap. My response was deleted, maybe for the link? Anyway, I have lived in SC my entire life, so I think that makes me “southern”. Since I can’t post a link, google “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union” and get back to me on the reason for secession.
In case you don’t know how to “google”, the really important part is the primary reason for secession:
“increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the Institution of Slavery”
you not southern you’re just a want a be and probably just a child . it was not see you don’t know as much as you though stupid
Those that Haley will say are citizens of SC who called her office wanting the flag removed, she better be ready to produce their names, home addresses, and phone numbers and emails as proof. She better have a record of all contacts from citizens who want the flag removed or it will come back and bite her fat ass.
How – she can’t run for governor again, she’s done politically in SC so she can pull whatever stunts she wants to.
Let’s add to that – it’s the Legislature taking the action to remove the flag. Not Nikki. So Nation Laughing is just lashing out.
Rocky, I feel obligated to talk to trolls today – as you’ve already noted.
:) – I need to get back to work. This flag thing for me is a bit emotion – as you’ve already noted. Have a good day.
Let’s add to that – it’s the Legislature taking the action to remove the flag. Not Nikki. So Nation Laughing is just lashing out.
How – she can’t run for governor again, she’s done politically in SC so she can pull whatever stunts she wants to.
Are you saying that you don’t believe there are SC residents that have become active on this issue. I would point to the demonstration at the State House Saturday and the Ravenel Bridge yesterday. I can certainly prove that SOMEONE called her office and complained about the flag, because I did. I’m assuming I wasn’t the only one… but if I am, bless her heart for deciding to please little ol me!
She once pleased Wil as well. So don’t feel too special. Honestly though, I think she got a lot of calls.
Most of the time, it doesn’t sound like Will was pleased. Just sayin’.
Are you saying that you don’t believe there are SC residents that have become active on this issue. I would point to the demonstration at the State House Saturday and the Ravenel Bridge yesterday. I can certainly prove that SOMEONE called her office and complained about the flag, because I did. I’m assuming I wasn’t the only one… but if I am, bless her heart for deciding to please little ol me!
Those that Haley will say are citizens of SC who called her office wanting the flag removed, she better be ready to produce their names, home addresses, and phone numbers and emails as proof. She better have a record of all contacts from citizens who want the flag removed or it will come back and bite her fat ass.
Why doesn’t the worthless governor ban illegal immigrants?
Answer: because the ZIONIST AGENDA wants them here to help destroy America
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Did you read that on Info Wars or just make shit up.
Are you a South Carolinian? No, I thought not. Your opinion doesn’t matter
Thought so. You just make shit up.
Thought so. You are not from South Carolina. And why you feel a need to cuss me? I will have your account terminated within 72 hours.
Terminate my account. I’ll still be voting in SC much to your chagrin.
Terminate my account. I’ll still be voting in SC much to your chagrin.
I am ze only terminator here.
Thought so. You are not from South Carolina. And why you feel a need to cuss me? I will have your account terminated within 72 hours.
Thought so. You just make shit up.
I am. Does my opinion matter?
7th generation South Carolinian. Family arrived in SC before it was a State. Does my opinion count?
I am also a South Carolinian, does my opinion matter?
Did you read that on Info Wars or just make shit up.
Oh boy, KKK delusions about Jews too. Squishy has good company with racists like these popping up!
Oh boy, KKK delusions about Jews too. Squishy has good company with racists like these popping up!
Is there any wonder that people like Dylann Roof get the idea to do crazy things when absolute bonkers racist stuff like this passes as “acceptable” conversation in SC?
Well, FITSnews is hardly representative of “acceptable conversation” anywhere…this place is a cesspool every day, not just today.
Yep, and taking down that flag will simply promote some other asshole to do something similar. It is time to focus on the people who were murdered…not the flag. I’m not supportive of the flag, but why can’t these people be memorialized without all this political bullshit? The flag can come down, but it is taking the focus instead of the people who lost their lives. It makes me sick.
Why doesn’t the worthless governor ban illegal immigrants?
Answer: because the ZIONIST AGENDA wants them here to help destroy America
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Any Flag that represents man’s freedom from federal government—should be flown at every government building.
If you mean flags that represent mans freedom from oppression – we do – it’s got red and white strips, a blue field with 50 stars. Have you ever seen it?
Poster Frank Night is using multiply nicks. Please make a note of it.
We’re making a note of your dumbfuck idiocy.
We’re making a note of your dumbfuck idiocy.
Given that everyone (almost) agrees that it’s not really the battle flag itself but is the misuse by the hate groups that gives a racial undertone … my question is why is everyone not up in arms over crosses? If someone was burning a cross on my lawn … I would have a problem with that symbol. The KKK used a Cross when they could have used any other type of symbol .. they are associated with the Burning Cross … Why aren’t we up in arms about all the Crosses on all the churches? The Church in Charleston has a prominent cross on the front of its building. YES .. I know it would be crazy to do anything so stupid as that … but .. what’s the difference? Yes the Murderer of the nine innocent people had a licence plate with the confederate flag on it … but he is from South Carolina …. there are tens of thousands of confederate flags on stickers, licence plate on cars. If he was from California and had he same licence plate .. it might mean something…. being from Columbia, SC .. it means nothing .. He probably has U of South Carolina stickers on the car also … I’d worry more about those…. lol … you people need to get over it … stop making this so political. Let the people vote and what they decide should be the decision. It is no ones business but our state. If you don’t agree or like it, stay out of our state … If you live in the state and don’t get the vote your way …. move out. We’re all suppose to be adults. Make adult decisions and stop trying to force the opinion of the vocal minority on the masses. Let the people decide. I really don’t care either way … I just think it’s a stupid waste of time and money. Use these funds to find these crazies BEFORE the kill people. Kinda makes you think that Homeland Security needs to monitor blogs .. might have caught this nut .. JMO
The powers that be, want to incite trouble. There is no other reason why this could not wait until after the burials of the victims. Now flag supporters may cause trouble before and ruing the funerals and we can have the race riots that these killings were meant to start. Chicken idiots in the Statehouse. Starting trouble at funerals and turning love for the victims into hate by bringing up the old issue that was settled 15 years ago is not rational unless it is meant to start riots. I guess the flag issue is plan B for the riots.
Removing the flag is one thing, declaring it a symbol of hate and condemning everyone who honors it regardless of their personal views on race is another thing entirely. This act may “unite” a whole bunch of people….at least until another political fiasco takes place in oh like a month in this country….but literally several million Southern-born Americans – whites, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans – who honor Confederate ancestry and heritage will be collateral damage for what the forces of political correctness consider the “greater good”. All for the high price of non-conformity.
Roden – pretty sure after 30 years living down south, not to many Native Americans, blacks or Hispanics honor Confederate ancestry. Are you telling me Stonewall Jackson’s aide de campe was in fact Pedro Martinez, and Robert E Lee had a divisional commander called Carlos Juan Padilla? And who can forget the madonna of Richmond – Maria Juanita Sanchez Arias.
Well, having lived about the same amount of time down South Rocky-boy, I can tell you that I have seen first hand black, Hispanic, Native American and Jewish descendants of Confederate soldiers honoring that heritage at dozens of memorial services. I know because I have stood with them, I have prayed with them, I have sung “Dixie” beside them as brothers and sisters of the Southland.
Can we poll them about the flag issue?
As much as I wish that the issue would go to referendum, that would never happen. If it did the outcome (which would favor keeping the flag) would be examined by racial lines and you know what it would find: between 35% – 42% of Black South Carolinians who would not favor that flag’s removal.
Same number voted that way in Mississippi when they did their own referendum.
Remembering General Eagle Toe Cherokee – of the First Tennessee Army. Or Admiral Curtis Blackie Johnson of the 33rd North Carolina Koondog Regiment?
No but I can tell you about the Native Cherokees of Thomas Legion NC Volunteers. General Stand Waite – Confederate and Native Cherokee chief.
I can tell you about Moses Eziekel, one of about 15,000 Jewish men who served in the Confederate Army.
I can tell you about Bill Yopp, Henry Brown, Lewis Napoleon Nelson…and literally a thousand other Black Southerners who wore the gray.
I can tell you about Jesus Hernandas and roughly 13,000 other Hispanic-Southerners who fought under that flag.
Should I go on?
Taking a flag down, one that most people outside of SC didn’t even know was flying, won’t harm anyone or their heritage. There is no collateral damage to removing the flag from the state house grounds. All those who “honor confederate ancestry and heritage” will still be free to fly any flag they choose at home…
I have many ancestors that fought for the South. I never met any of them. They are all dead. Let’s move on.
Oh they will be free to do so at their homes and on their persons true, but if you have loud, angry voices calling them racists for doing so without proof the charge is true, you don’t think that’s going to be an issue at all? Really?
That already happens now. There’s a guy in Greer that has a 6X4 flag on a pole bolted to his truck…I flip him off every time I see him drive by! I do know a couple people who are “southern heritage” guys that are not racist at all, but I believe they are the minority, at least from my experience.
I bet he smiles every time he sees you coming toward him. He enjoys it as much as you do.
Well then I suggest you get some more experience when you grow up little man. Id say the number of people who use that flag for hate are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by those who do not.
I like making up statistics too! I’d bet that 60% the time you’re right every time. (You stay classy, CW Roden)
Enjoy that small little bubble you’re living in, hope you don’t lose your mind when it finally bursts. (Later sweetie – smooch!)
Scenario: July 1, 2015 – The Confederate flag is taken down and removed from the Statehouse grounds.
Question: January 1, 2015 – What difference did the removal make other than a different view looking south on Main Street?
Prediction: Not a damn thing.
As I said I don’t mind the flag being removed. Declaring it a symbol of hate and by extension labeling all the million or so people who honor it as racists for the actions of a handful of haters is the bigger problem.
Its about respect, or so the Opposition claims. That goes both ways.
Republicans are no better in South Carolina than Obama and Democrats. It is always someone else’s fault. So much B/S you bunch of cowards.
I have news for you folk’s More people have died under the Stars and Stripes than any other flag that originated in America. I have relatives who died because politicians started a war. As far as I am concerned you can dig up every politician that was in office at the start of Korea,Vietnam and etc and cremate them and bury them at sea. They have no more guts than those in Columbia and DC today. They along with the NAACP,Sharptons,Jacksons , the President and Congress have created all the problems in America for personal and selfish reasons. They have destroyed God and America and may they all burn in Hell!
Wait, first your “sources” say there is no appetite for removing the flag, now lawmakers say it’s coming down? Such ceedibility, I do declare!
All the distortions and dodges and shabby attempts at diversion and delay are likely to fail the flag worshipers this time. Too much elite power would be inconvenienced at the prsent stage. Loserville awaits. The howled excuses and accusations will be amazing to behold II suspect. Will the losers be able to work the Muslims into the equation somehow? Obamacare?
Why don’t we ask the politicians of the Confederacy what they really thought in 1861. Not watered down A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
What did Texas think? Straight from the Texas Declaration of Causes… In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.
I can forgive stupidity, but I don’t forgive hate. Most of you have probably never read the Declaration of Causes for Secession (practically every state penned their own Declaration). There are 13 stars on that flag and SC troops were dispersed everywhere. All for one and one for all. You can’t have the cake and eat it too. SC had a more elegant and thoughtful Declaration but still demanded the return of fugitive slaves (property). I love my state and don’t apologize for anything, but the flag belongs in a museum or on the back of your truck. Not on State House grounds.
It’s a heritage of hate. Go read the Declaration of Causes for Secession. It’s called by historians a primary source. It’s history that is free from 150 years of dilution and rewriting. Signed, sealed, and delivered by the newly minted Confederate states. Almost all of the states penned their own version. 13 stars on that flag and they fought and died together. One for all and all for one… I love my state and don’t apologize for anything. Put it in a museum where it belongs.
This is damned despicable. I cannot fathom what is happening in the South Carolina government. Dreadful, and a slap in the face of our ancestors.
Welcome to the powerless.
Our ancestors lost the war. The defeated don’t get to keep their flag flying…
We have for 150 years.
While South Carolina’s leaders spend time, money and energy debating whether or not to take down the flag, the State ranks 51st in the country for education, 43rd for health and #1 for the dirtiest State in the U.S. It seems it has more pressing issues at hand and would probably do well figuring out how to do better in the future rather than clinging to their past.
http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-on-american-education/
http://www.thestate.com/news/business/health-care/article13831391.html
http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/stevewonder2/the-2014-american-state-litter-scorecardusa
All the familiar and irrelevant sniveling (shades of Maurice) isn’t going to save the flag this time. The scattering of true heritage types can just thank their bigot brethren.
Moved to Columbia when they removed it from the dome. Now, still arguing about where it should be placed? Stick it in Confederate museum and let’s move on!!
And all Haley needs to do ius ask a janitor to remove it to the museum. Instead shes playing the performing seal.
Since the 2012 Presidential Election, Sheldon Adelson has reminded the national Republican Party that he has grown tired of supporting “losers”. The 2016 Presidential Election is “do or die”. Adelson wants a candidate like Jeb Bush with name recognition, pragmatic, and moderate to win the White House and increase the Republican majority in the Senate. Adelson has spent several hundred million dollars supporting Republicans and is the largest single donor by far. Even Lindsey Graham flew to New York to kiss a$$ and got a check to fight off primary challengers >$300k. In exchange, he’s expecting the Republicans to push through a “tax holiday” on repatriated corporate profits saving him $3 Billion on his casinos operating earnings in China. So when the Confederate Flag controversy raised its head, the national Republican leadership cracked down demanding fast action to avoid alienating voters and shooting themselves in the foot. When the man who pays the bills says “jump” just look at how fast they can move! Adelson achieved in a single day what the NAACP could not in their ~20 year boycott.
Better not voice your real opinion on here, or they will remove it!!!