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Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton Renew Assault On Second Amendment

AFTER CHARLESTON, ANOTHER ANTI-GUN CRUSADE IS UNDERWAY … || By FITSNEWS || The blood spilled during a murderous rampage at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C. has scarcely dried, but Democratic politicians are already pouncing on the tragedy as an excuse to limit the constitutionally protected right of American citizens…

AFTER CHARLESTON, ANOTHER ANTI-GUN CRUSADE IS UNDERWAY …

|| By FITSNEWS || The blood spilled during a murderous rampage at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C. has scarcely dried, but Democratic politicians are already pouncing on the tragedy as an excuse to limit the constitutionally protected right of American citizens to bear arms.

“We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,” U.S. president Barack Obama said during a press briefing in Washington, D.C.

Meanwhile across the country Hillary Clinton – the presumed Democratic nominee and favorite to follow Obama into office in 2016 – called for the country to examine “hard truths” related to gun violence.

“We have to face hard truths about race, violence, guns and divisions,” Clinton said during a speech in California. “How many innocent people in our country – from little children, church members to movie theater attendees – how many people do we need to see cut down before we act?”

“Let’s unite in partnership, not just to talk but to act,” Clinton added, although she did not offer any specific proposals to accompany her rhetoric.

Around 9:00 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, a suspect believed to be 21-year-old Dylann Storm Roof – who is white – opened fire on black parishioners at the historic Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.  Nine people including the church’s pastor – S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney – were killed during the attack.

(For more on Roof, click here).

This website condemns Obama and Clinton’s assault on the Second Amendment.  In fact we condemn it every bit as strongly as we condemn the deplorable violence which precipitated it.

As we’ve repeatedly pointed out, elevated levels of firearm ownership translate into less crime.  For those of you slow on the uptake or wrapped up in the emotion of the moment, we’ll repeat: More guns = less crime.

The senseless slaughter of nine people in Charleston is a terrible tragedy.  And it does require us to confront many “hard truths.”

But attacking the ability of people to defend themselves against armed aggressors is not the answer … unless of course the objective is to increase the frequency and severity of such attacks.

This may not be the popular view in light of current events, but it remains the right one …

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150 comments

Poster June 18, 2015 at 8:07 pm

Please list all the times a gun prevented a mass shooting. Thanks.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 18, 2015 at 8:13 pm

There was a school somewhere some years back, I believe before the “Safe Schools (GFZ) Act” where a teacher retrieved a handgun from his vehicle and halted one of these incidents.

Almost 100% of these incidents occur in Gun Free Zones. Only an idiot could fail to see you are not safe in a GFZ.

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Quietus June 18, 2015 at 8:39 pm

Oct. 1, 1997
Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother and went on to kill two students and injure seven others at his high school. Woodham was stopped by Assistant Principal Joel Myrick, a U.S. Army Reserve commander, who detained Woodham by using a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he kept in his truck, until authorities could show up.

Myrick stopped Woodham from going across the street to the middle school………

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Quietus June 18, 2015 at 8:43 pm

Here are the ones I found rather quickly.

1. The Pearl High School shooting
2. The Parker Middle School dance shooting
3. The Appalachian School of Law shooting
4. The New Life Church shooting
5. The Trolley Square shooting
6. The Golden Market shooting
7. The New York Mills AT&T store shooting
8. The Clackamas Town Center shooting
9. The San Antonio Theater shooting

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Bobby June 18, 2015 at 9:00 pm

You pulled these off “buzzfeed”, but forgot to mention that the incidents were either over when the event was “stopped by the gun owner”, or the individual who intervened was a trained law enforcement officer (or military reservist) … sorry, you fail on this one…

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Quietus June 18, 2015 at 9:16 pm

The question was: Please list all the times a gun prevented a mass shooting.

I took the quickest list I found. I read through them. Anyone else can Google the Details if they wish. The question wast to explain all the details behind them. Your reading comprehension is poor. You fail.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:59 am

LOL You’re a piece of work.

Quietus June 19, 2015 at 9:44 am

LOL! You’re an ass. Bless your retarded little heart.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 10:14 am

LOL You’re a constipated old fool that thinks their shit doesn’t stink but incredibly clueless – oh by the way, fuck off.

Quietus June 19, 2015 at 11:27 am

The only SHIT in this conversation is you.

You’re a constipated old fool

You’re older than I am, I’m willing to bet, and I’m quite regular. I shit every morning at 7:00am.

You want me to mail you a turd so you can use it as a dildo?

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 11:43 am

LOL Don’t need a dildo – I’ll bet your asshole is gaping from being gang-banged by GT and Pogo and Squishy (your kindred spirits) and of course getting them enema’s from enema – so I have no doubt that your shit flows – it sure flows on here! LOL

Quietus June 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm

Read my comment history. Pogo and GT are the worst idiots on here. I’m ambivalent to Squishy. You are about to take 3rd place behind Pogo and GT on the FitsNews most fucked up list.

SCBlues June 20, 2015 at 5:21 am

I’ve read your comment history – not impressed at all. For some reason you think you’re impressing folks on here – and feel the need to come on here to somehow “prove” how smart you are and talk down to everyone else and tell them how retarded they are. You are on the same side of every issue as Pogo and GT – plain and simple – you’re just like them. Go fuck yourself fool.

Quietus June 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm

Read my comment history. Pogo and GT are the worst idiots on here. I’m ambivalent to Squishy. You are about to take 3rd place behind Pogo and GT on the FitsNews most fucked up list.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 11:41 am

You got an upvote from enema – that is unless you two creeps are not one and the same. LOL

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 10:15 am

That old fool will never ever concede any point – complete idiot and jackass.

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erneba June 18, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Good Job. The one that popped into my mind was the Muslim extremists in Texas at the the Allah cartoon contest.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 20, 2015 at 10:49 am

Was the New Life Church incident you mentioned the one in Spartanburg County around a year ago? If not, that one needs to be added to the list. That’s the one where the nut showed up during services with a shotgun. People inside saw the car, driven by his sister, pull up and him get out with a shotgun. They locked the door but he managed to force his way in, at which time the pastor’s grandson (a CWP holder) got the drop on the nutter, who was then disarmed and held for police.

Sorry, but I can’t help but wonder how much better things might have turned out in Charleston if, rather than oppose and have disdain for CWP, Rev Pinckney had embraced it somewhat as was the case in Spartanburg.

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Quietus June 20, 2015 at 5:24 pm

No but we can add it to the list. The one I was speaking of was in Colorado in 2007.

The 2007 Colorado YWAM and New Life shootings were a killing spree that occurred on December 9, 2007. In the early morning hours, 24-year-old Matthew J. Murray opened fire at the Youth With A Mission training center in Arvada, Colorado, with a pistol, killing two and wounding two others before escaping. Later that afternoon, he attacked the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, with a number of firearms, killing two more people and injuring three before being shot and wounded by a member of the church’s congregation; he then committed suicide.

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FastEddy23 June 18, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Poster Child: go watch an old western.

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euwe max June 19, 2015 at 12:50 am

Hey! They weren’t using real guns! what are you trying to pull here?

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 6:00 am

You mean John Wayne did not use a real gun?????????

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Blanks June 19, 2015 at 9:14 am

Hey, blanks can be dangerous.

He should have said A-Team, 5 minutes of nothing but gunfire and no one gets shot.

CorruptionInColumbia June 18, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Yep! We kind of knew this was coming, didn’t we?

Never mind that the SC Legislature believes Gun Free Zones such as churches, schools, hospitals, government buildings, and more is the way to go, even though almost 100% of these mass murders occur in GFZ’s. I guess the criminal element such as Roof must be generous contributors to the likes of Jay Lucas, Larry Martin, Greg Hembree, and Mike Pitts. Those guys sure see to it that violent criminals have safe work environments.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 12:22 am

Yeah…except when they pass laws allowing guns into bars. Or trying to get rid of concealed weapons courses.

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Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 12:55 am

Those are pretty stupid, agreed.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:46 am

Yay Michael!

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Wipe your chin June 19, 2015 at 9:48 am

“Slurp, gulp. Do it again, do it again! Here’s some OJ!”

Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 12:12 am

Yay you!

euwe max June 19, 2015 at 9:26 am

a kingdom divided cannot stand.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 9:19 am

Which reminds me, where is all of that “blood flowing in the streets” and “the wild West” that you guys told us it would be when they passed restaurant carry? Ditto when they passed “shall issue” CWP back in 1996, or any other time an attempt was made to liberalize ownership, possession, or carry of firearms by citizens? Have there been incidents of shootings? Yes, same as there were BEFORE any of these changes were made in existing laws. I don’ t believe there was any discernable uptick in unlawful shootings as a result. Heck, even though almost all (if not 100%) of participants in such incidents don’t have CWP’s and limely would not be eligible for one due to prior criminal history, shootings in Richland County thug bars seem to have dropped since passage of “restaurant carry”.

I’m not claiming a correlatino, but where is your “b

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Goobersmacker June 19, 2015 at 10:54 am

Did you not understand what happened at the church in Charleston? Not enough blood for you, white trash?

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 1:12 pm

Are you totally devoid of the ability to look beyond the surface of an issue and to comprehend cause and effect, as well as when it does and does not apply to a situation? I guess since several people fell off of a deterriorating balcony in CA recently and died, we need to outlaw upper level balconies, eh?

Dumbass.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:10 pm

S.C. is third most dangerous state in the union.

Are you not entertained.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 8:42 pm

Sounds like but one more reason I am wise to go armed.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:45 am

Hello CiC – My bet is that if Roof made contributions to any person or any group is was connected to the White Supremacy Movement.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 9:32 am

Hi SC Blues! You are probably right but too bad for those named politicians and their colleagues. They realy go to bat for “people” like Roof.

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cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 8:41 pm

Fucking lol, that self link that More Guns = Less Crime is such bullshit. You could make the same argument that as the amount of abortions have gone up in the country since the 70s the amount of violent crime has gone down. (Chapter 4 of Freakanomics)

And the fact that you are scolding people for politicizing this when your 1st story a hour after the news came out included shit about why you are pro death penalty is fucking laughable.

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Quietus June 18, 2015 at 8:47 pm

Gun control is not directly related to a murder case, the death penalty is. You argument is invalid.

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cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 9:22 pm

Ensuring nut job, racist, drug addicts who have several arrests on record don’t get easy access to guns via background checks and licensing doesn’t have anything to do with a mass shooting?

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cuzdummy June 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm

‘several arrests’?
sev·er·al
?sev(?)r?l/
determiner & pronoun
1.
more than two but not many.
“the author of several books”
synonyms:some, a number of, a few; More

He had TWO…not SEVERAL…not only do you lie but you are stupid!

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cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 9:34 pm

lol

cuzdummy June 18, 2015 at 9:07 pm

Study: Abortion rate at lowest point since 1973 – The …
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…abortion-rate…/8dea00...
The Washington PostFeb 2, 2014 – The abortion rate in the United States dropped to its lowest point since … “We are extremely happy that the abortion numbers are going down …

You really this stupid?

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cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 9:24 pm

Not really sure what that has to do with my argument. Abortions going down is great though!

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cuzdummy June 18, 2015 at 9:28 pm

You said abortions are going up. You lied.Therefore your entire argument is false.

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cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm

I meant directly after Row vs Wade when it became legal in all states. Abortions have been trending down for a while now since contraception has been easier to access and we stopped abstinence only education. Thanks Planned Parenthood

cuzdummy June 18, 2015 at 9:35 pm

‘Row’ vs Wade? What the fuck was that? Can’t spell or no education?

cuvinny June 18, 2015 at 9:40 pm

If you are going to gimmick post you should register a real handle that way people remember who you are.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:58 am

The same ones gimmick post over and over on here under multiple posting names. Fits ought to wise up (yeah right!) and not allow these “guest” posters

Just Ban Pogo June 19, 2015 at 8:54 am

Hey, not all of us are bad, just one rotten, stinking apple named Pogo.

Bible Thumper June 18, 2015 at 10:47 pm

“You could make the same argument that as the amount of abortions have gone up in the country since the 70s the amount of violent crime has gone down.”
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Actually the opposite is true both crime and abortions peeked in 1980 and have declined since. See charts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/graphusabrate.html

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 12:23 am

Trying to reason with people in this state (the 3rd most violent I would remind) is pointless.

But yes, you are correct (although they’ll never admit it), fewer guns means fewer deaths. It’s a fact.

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Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 12:20 am

No, it’s not – see my reply above. You posting something doesn’t make it true.

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9" June 18, 2015 at 9:09 pm

‘Lawyers,guns,and money’. Fuck you.

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tomstickler June 18, 2015 at 10:19 pm Reply
Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 1:09 am Reply
9" June 19, 2015 at 7:24 am

That’s the one I was thinking of,Beachman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTU2Y0VFH0E

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erneba June 18, 2015 at 9:09 pm

It is never too early for a “knee jerk” and Obama and Clinton were out on cue.
Within twenty four hours they were out making a disturbing personal behavioral issue by a young man into a political issue. Catch the public when the emotions are high(within less than half a day after this tragedy) to make a political point.
This violence is caused by individuals with deep psychological problems who are driven by their emotions to commit such deeds. Guns did not cause these people to commit these crimes, they were driven to it by an unstable life that their emotional distress had induced. The gun is only one of many tools available to carry out the deed for this racist. Putting onerous restrictions on guns will not solve the root problem. Identifying these people early and monitoring their activities, supplying social services and restricting certain activities may be in order. Politicians should be last on the list of groups we want to solve this problem.
We can’t let the actions of a few control the Constitutional rights and privileges of the many. I wish grading out a person’s emotional stability was as easy grading out food and other products.

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FastEddy23 June 18, 2015 at 9:25 pm

Them lawyers are always early to the funerals.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 12:20 am

Knee jerk like Wayne LaPierre telling us we should have guns in schools after Sandy Hook?

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euwe max June 19, 2015 at 12:46 am

guns will get you through times of no murder better than murder will get you though times of no guns.

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Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 12:54 am

The schools with guns in them rarely have shootings (mass shootings, especially). Facts suck sometimes.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:43 am

If there is not a gun in the school there cannot be a shooting in the school.

Facts really suck sometimes.

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Quietus June 19, 2015 at 9:53 am

Yet all mass shootings occur in gun free zones. You aren’t very smart are you?

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 10:11 am

I am very smart – you just proved how incredibly stupid you are though by missing the boat entirely dumbass. And please don’t bother responding – you’re full of shit and prove it over and over and over on here.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:14 pm

Mass shootings occur pretty much only in America on the scale they do.

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:07 am

That’s like saying if there were no armies we’d have no war. No drugs, and we’d have no addiction. True indeed. That’s sweet, but bears no relevance to the real world. Just like in Chicago, DC, and other “gun-free zone” crime ridden cities, we see that jackass criminals don’t seem to worry too much about these rules. If they’re willing to kill people, they’re certainly willing to violate silly”gun-free zones” laws. There are, however, very often NOT willing to shoot it out with a cop or armed security officer. Criminals are like water – they flow to the point of least resistance.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 10:12 am

What did I say that was not a fact? Your post was about facts and how they suck – I merely posted another fact.

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:15 am

When did I say they weren’t facts? I described them as “True indeed.” I just explained why it was irrelevant. It rained at my house yesterday. This is also a fact, and equally relevant to mass shootings.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 10:16 am

Irrelevant? I posted factual info you just do not like what I posted – man up, Michael.

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:22 am

No…try to keep up here. Of COURSE if there were no guns in school, there would be no school shootings. That’s pie in the sky logic, though. If there were no cancer cells, no one would die from cancer. You call the DOJ and tell them you have solved the mass shooting problem, and I’ll call the American Cancer Society and tell them I just cured cancer. We’ll see how excited everyone gets.

You can’t wish away evil dumbasses with guns by creating gun-free zones and laws any more than I can wish away cancer. I would love to be able to do both, but I can’t (and neither can you).

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 11:38 am

Calm down now, Michael. You were talking about facts and I posted one. Facts are facts are facts. And what is really funny is the two that upvoted you, enema and Quietasshole! You are in good company there, Michael – keep up the good work!

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 11:57 pm

I’m calm, baby…living in the real world requires that. I’m simply trying to explain to you that facts are great. We all love facts, but alone they are just that – facts. You are missing the central point that the goal is to stop these shootings from happening – period. I don’t see how does spouting silliness like “if there were no guns in schools there would be no shootings” move us toward that goal. There are 400 million freaking guns in this country, and like it or not the private ownership of the vast majority of those are protected by the Constitution. We couldn’t even ban liquor a hundred years ago; banning guns is simply a non-starter. That’s just reality (and just as dumb as the far right kooks who think we can deport 11 million people). So, rather than print posters, we take simple steps to protect people. Armed protectors have been proven to stop these clowns – this is also a fact. People not trained in the law often forget that laws are designed for justice and society- they don’t “do” anything. We have laws to deal with the assholes who choose to ignore society’s rules. If we thought they would stop everyone we wouldn’t need penalty sections. Once your argument degenerated down into who upvotes me, I lost track…

SCBlues June 20, 2015 at 5:32 am

Not looking for you to “explain” things to me Michael – got a good head on my shoulders and my station in life proves that. You “explain” things to your little lady. I am not missing anything, Michael. I have never posted on here and never expressed to anyone that I was against private gun ownership and certainly understand the Second Amendment – even though many misconstrue it. Never ever talked about banning guns – most in my family are gun owners and well, they would “shoot me” if they heard me say that (and I do not mean that literally, Michael – just a figure of speech). And in regards to your last line, I was not arguing with you Michael – just making a valid, factual point – you always root folks on around here when they bring facts into the discussion – well, I just brought one into the discussion. That’s all.

Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 9:07 pm

Don’t worry…I’m done trying. We’re in two different worlds – namaste!

SCBlues June 20, 2015 at 10:21 pm

LOL Oh I’m not worried and appreciate all of your efforts to explain things to me – perhaps you should just stick to explaining things to your little lady – my guess is she would be the type that would be much more receptive to all of your explanations. Namaste. Yeah. Whatever.

Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 11:18 pm

You’re falling for your unrecognized biases again, it would appear. My “little lady” (as you condescendingly refer to her) earned the same graduate degrees I did, sits on a few pretty impressive boards, is still train smoke hot in her 40’s, and can most likely whip your shrill ass in chess in about 15 minutes. Unlike you, she is receptive to logic and rational rhetoric so I don’t have to explain much to her. You should try the whole logic thing one day…you may like it. Take you last shot- I’m out!

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:14 pm

So we can’t have any laws whatsoever? We just give up. All too hard? Either we’re all in or completely ban something?

Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 12:11 am

Okay… at least you quickly abandoned your silly straw man argument about arming kids. Of course we need laws; where in the world did you deduce that I was for decriminalizing mass shooting? Bizarre. As I said to SCBlues, however, we can’t put blind faith in laws to stop people from committing these heinous acts. Surely you get this – a sick ass punk like this Roof kid was already violating a whole raft of laws (including gun laws – illegally carrying it concealed, using it in the commission of a felony, etc.). Laws and courts serve many purposes in society – including both deterrence and punishment. We have to have both, and this horrible shooting is a perfect example of why. No law that could ever be written (even by God) will stop the Roofs of the world. In these instances, the law then serves to incapacitate and punish. The protection piece is a separate issue. Let’s say your kids and my kids are in school together one day, and the next Adam Lanza is strolling up to the front door with a gun. Everything he wants to do is already clearly illegal (including bringing the gun to the school), but despite knowing that he continues to the door. Do you want your kids “protected” by the fact that the gun he’s carrying had been rendered illegal by some statute last year, or by a cop wearing soft body armor and a .45? You make your choices, and I’ll make mine, but if ANY kids are in that building I’ll go with the cop. Every time.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 6:19 am

Notebook…check
Pencils….check
Backpack….check
9mm strapped…check

Time for the little ones to go back to school just like the founders intended.

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Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:07 am

Nice straw man you created there. Even the untrained idiots on this comment board have never suggested arming kids. Cops at schools prevent mass shootings (and a lot of other drama); gun-free zones or armed children do not. Even for your Kool-Aid drinking self this was a pretty dumb stretch. ;-)

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:07 am

Even first year students at a tech school can’t use Wikipedia as a source, but more importantly you are missing the point by a mile or so. All of the psychological studies on school studies prove that the weird profile of these mass shooter clowns includes a couple of key elements, the most critical of which is a “good” body count through which to become famous. An armed protector (SRO, security guards, etc.) at the school precludes this. “Gun-free zones” and laws do not. Surely you see how laughable it is to believe that a damaged dumbass who is willing to shoot a dozen people to get his (I say his because mass shooters are almost exclusively male, and white, by the way) 15 minutes of fame would somehow be deterred by the fact that it’s illegal to carry a gun?

euwe max June 19, 2015 at 9:24 am

Left handed Indians rarely shoot black people.

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Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 10:07 am

You got me there…

euwe max June 19, 2015 at 12:40 pm

I like to let the facts speak for themselves.

Mike at the Beach June 19, 2015 at 11:48 pm

Also true.

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:53 am

“The gun is only one of many tools available to carry out the deed for this racist.”

Oh – so now he’s a racist? When I called him a racist yesterday you and Squishy were attacking me!

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Racist Squishy June 19, 2015 at 8:45 am

He can’t be racist, he had black friends on his Facebook page.

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Racist Pogo June 19, 2015 at 8:47 am

White man shoots 9 black people to death? Obama is the real racist, not Dylann.

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euwe max June 19, 2015 at 9:24 am

Clinton loaded the gun, Obama pulled the trigger.

nitrat June 19, 2015 at 9:44 am

“…they were driven to it by an unstable life that their emotional distress had induced. ”

Do you feel that way about black on black crime?

“Identifying these people early and monitoring their activities, supplying social services and restricting certain activities may be in order. Politicians should be last on the list of groups we want to solve this problem.”

Aren’t the politcians the oned who have to appropriate the money for the social services or do you think the faith based, usually woefully untrained non-professionals, can address this on their own when they have not over two millennia?

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Tazmaniac June 19, 2015 at 10:23 am

Well China agrees with Hillary and Barrack. How can 1.35 Billion Communists be wrong? They just accused the US of being a Human Rights nightmare.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:17 pm

And in a way…they are right.

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Accuracyplease June 20, 2015 at 8:28 am

How is registering a gun “onerous”
How is a background check “onerous”
And what is it about the 2nd Amendment referencing a militia that confuses you?

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FastEddy23 June 18, 2015 at 9:23 pm

Gun was apparently a gift. I don’t see how any changes in any laws can undo that or even address it.

But I could see how someone in or around the church who just happened to have a pistol or a can of mace or a taser might have changed that outcome. Maybe. No disrespect intended.

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euwe max June 19, 2015 at 12:45 am

I’m putting a gun and some ammo in the offering plate this Sunday. Jesus might need it.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:41 am

WWJS – Who would Jesus shoot?

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Answering Your Question June 19, 2015 at 8:41 am

Apparently not Dylann Storm Roof.

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FastEddy23 June 19, 2015 at 3:06 pm

… not yet?

SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:50 am

One thing is for sure – we know of one person who did have a gun. Maybe if that one person did not have a gun that might have changed the outcome.
And how do you know that someone in or around the church did not have a pistol or a can of mace or a taser?

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roberto June 19, 2015 at 6:06 am

Cool. Enforce the current law. Jail his dad who broke the law by giving him the gun when his background check would have stopped it.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 11:34 am

Cool. I am not in law enforcement. I cannot put anyone in jail. Just making a valid, factual point. Cool.

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Quietus June 19, 2015 at 12:04 pm

Latest out of Charleston PD is that he purchased the gun himself. His family only gave him the money for it.

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Quietus June 19, 2015 at 12:04 pm

Latest out of Charleston PD is that he purchased the gun himself. His family only gave him the money for it.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 6:21 am

As Cajun Man once said….”Rrrrrreegistrrrraaaashone”

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Quietus June 19, 2015 at 11:33 am

How many other constitutional rights do you want to register? I know let’s register for the 8th amendment. That way if you aren’t registered we can torture you and execute you by burning at the stake, lions, drawing and quartering or the Vikings favorite “The Bloody Eagle”. Then the government can have your name on a list. I mean you don’t need to register for the get out of torture free card if you aren’t doing anything wrong, right?

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:16 pm

You probably vote GOP. The GOP pushed the passing of the Patriot Act.

Count how many constitutional rights were broken in that act and get back to me.

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Quietus June 19, 2015 at 7:59 pm

More of a libertarian who didn’t vote for GWB.

Goobersmacker June 19, 2015 at 10:52 am

You’re a fucking retard. Only an emotionally immature fuckstick would indulge such a little boy fantasy.

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FastEddy23 June 18, 2015 at 9:34 pm

I thought the whole purpose of the Second Amendment was to protect us all from the likes of Clinton and Obama.

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SCBlues June 19, 2015 at 5:41 am

Now FastEddy – You’re going a wee bit overboard here – I don’t think you have anything to worry about from Clinton or Obama – now if you’re going hunting with Cheney, well, then you might need some protection.
As expected the tenor of Fits’ reporting on this tragedy quickly shifted to appease the usual suspects – I was actually expecting one of his regular reports on Congressman Clyburn so the usual yelps could be heard – but I guess throwing out a little red meat that the Second Amendment is under attack (AGAIN) from Obama works too. Yet I still predict a Congressman Clyburn report within a week – and you’ll read the same old comments from the same old folks on here – yawn.
You do have to give Fits credit though – sure knows his audience and knows how to get ’em riled up – plays ’em like a fiddle. So amusing to sit back and watch.
Oh – almost forgot. How are things in Taxifornia doing Eddy? Heard it is a “little dry” . . . drinking your pee yet? Hang in there – grass will be growing in no time and there’ll be lots of lawns to mow and that push mower – ooops my bad – that “durable medical equipment” – will be chugging along.

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FastEddy23 June 19, 2015 at 3:11 pm

“… I don’t think you have anything to worry about from Clinton or Obama …”

And you are a willing dupe of “progressive” Fascism to say that.

You might be interested in Hayek’s “The Road To Serfdom”, chapter two. All that is needed is a “strong man” at the top to turn any “progressive” movement into outright Fascism. Historically, the only thing “progressive thinking” has ever brought is grief, gulags and graves.

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TroubleBaby June 19, 2015 at 8:49 am

Don’t forget Bush, Cheney, etc. et al….

Not that a gun will protect us from our elected masters/megalomaniac’s with the power of government behind them….but just sayin’.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 12:19 am

Here we go…apparently gun nuts are the only ones the have the right to stake out a position after yet another tragedy. Shit, I can damn near set my watch till the next mass shooting in America.

Well, I say a big FUCK YOU to the gun nuts and NRA crowd. Fuck your 2nd Amendment. We are not talking about jack boots taking your stupid guns. We are talking about common sense gun control that pretty much every other advanced nation has and subsequently has fewer gun related deaths. Fewer guns = fewer deaths. Plain and simple.

Freedom is good, but only if you can stay alive to enjoy it.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 9:41 am

I tend to concur with your ladt sentence. For that reason, I am always armed when out and about. Thankfully, it is not something I need every day, every month, or day, or even every year, but when I do, I’m damn glad that I have it.

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Goobersmacker June 19, 2015 at 10:56 am

What a gutless little piece of shit you are. And with a teeny tiny dick, too.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 8:51 pm

I don’t know for sure, but I’d quickly make a wager that you’d shit yourself if you had been some of the places that I have, both armed and unarmed.

If the size of my dick is of great concern to you, I’ll be glad to pull it out and show it to you. Just please don’t touch. I don’t swing that way.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt June 19, 2015 at 7:12 pm

More likely you will shoot your dick off or your 3 year old will find it and shoot his/her sibling….but you know…’Murica.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 8:47 pm

I’ve been carrying since the mid-1970’s and little Richard (you can call him Dick for “short”) is still hanging in there.
I’ve had no issues with kids getting ahold of my guns, either.

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Mike at the Beach June 20, 2015 at 12:16 am

I am also for sensible gun control, but the “fewer guns = fewer deaths” thing isn’t quite accurate. We’ve had a bizarre explosion (no pun intended) in gun ownership in this country, to the point that (depending upon which study you believe) there are significantly more guns than people in the US now, like 400,000,000 of them! There has not, however, been a corresponding rise in murders and firearms assaults. As a matter of fat, most of the top cities for murders and firearms assaults are already very tightly gun controlled.

If you were meaning that fewer guns in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, then I’m with you because THAT has been proven to be true.

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Socrates June 19, 2015 at 1:16 am

As an anti- American i want more guns for US citizen, including easy access for the mentally instable and those with criminal backgrounds. I am against abortion in the US since the majority of kids will become new members of your lower classes and a significant burden on your health, social and prison services. I am against educating them since I want to ensure a low level of skills to further create enormous burden on the social and health services and make sure they cannot support themselves. Then I need to ensure that they have easy access to weapons in particular assault guns. Please read from top again – these policies will allow us to to shrink the US militarily since recruiting standards will not be met, technologically ( science will be done by Asians helped by Europeans) and politically (no civil society will be possible anymore).
PLEASE defend and expand on your second amendment, ban all abortions, cut educations ( in particular higher education). We will watch your Hunger Games and take over in about 20 years.
Commandante Anti-Americano

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Billy June 19, 2015 at 1:24 am

More guns, less abortions and education – sounds like a great 5 party platform.

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TonyA June 19, 2015 at 1:33 am

In other words : reduce what you understand as ‘core functions of the government’?
So Sic Willie is part of the anti-American movement?
Brilliant !

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9" June 19, 2015 at 7:48 am

If I needed a fucking gun to defend myself,I’d build a fallout shelter,instead.Just like I called you out on your fucking Ebola bullshit,same with guns.Fear and paranoia strike deep.I don’t need a gun,I have a big dick;y’all be compensating.If you’re that afraid of the world,go ahead and take yourself out.Everyone would be better off without you dried up mancunts.

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Bob the Builder June 19, 2015 at 8:12 am

This is what I cannot understand in 21st Century America as a well educated American. Someone tired to blow up an airplane with a shoe bomb and now everyone that chooses to fly in this world has to take their shoes off when they get on an airplane. However, America has had many major domestic terrorist attacks since 2005 that took the lives of hundreds of innocent Americans and government has done absolutely nothing to address the issues in play. We are just as vulnerable for another one of these events to happen as we were 10 years ago. They have done zero for mental health care and even less to ensure guns (which have proven to be weapons of mass destruction) stay out of the hands of crazy people. Every single one of these shooters obtained weapons through legal means and were not mentally stable human beings. We spend billions of taxpayer dollars every year making sure marijuana does not get into the hands of college kids. We need to spend more ensuring deadly weapons do not end up in the hands of crazy people. Something has got to change because this is not acceptable with the technology that the CIA and FBI institute to prevent terrorism in today’s America. The rest of the developed world does not have these issues at the rate that we do and we are a lot better than the majority of those countries.

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Jonny Logic June 19, 2015 at 8:43 am

Couldn’t have said it better, except for your last line. Are we really better than these countries when we kill each other at such an extraordinary rate?

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Absolute Reasoning June 19, 2015 at 8:56 am

If we have issues because we refuse to do things about it, and other countries don’t have these issues because they have done things about it, then it stands to reason we aren’t better than the majority of those countries. You can be both really successful and really, really fucking dumb.

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Bob the Builder June 19, 2015 at 9:24 am

I was making the point that we are a much smarter overall country than than the majority of the developed world. Yet we cannot figure out the mass shootings that continue to happen. Beyond that, there is zero political will to do anything about it. The whole thing makes makes no sense.

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euwe max June 19, 2015 at 9:28 am

It’s because shooting looks like such fun!

nitrat June 19, 2015 at 9:48 am

What specifically makes you think we are ‘much smarter overall’?

Bob the Builder June 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm

The ability of our economy to function. As bad as it has been, it is in much better shape than the majority of the rest of the developed world.

Bob the Builder June 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm

The ability of our economy to function. As bad as it has been, it is in much better shape than the majority of the rest of the developed world.

Rocky June 19, 2015 at 8:18 am

Who says you have to restrict access to guns. Instead, simply attach a requirement for liability insurance when you purchase a firearm. That doesn’t necessarily restrict your access to firearms from legal buyers. The private sector insurance companies will determine who to manage the risk and quantify it, and determine the premium structures. If you’re a high risk, your premium is higher. Folks who are responsible have lower premiums. Doesn’t restrict those who want carry permits. Doesn’t restrict hunters, doesn’t restrict anyone.

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CorruptionInColumbia June 19, 2015 at 9:48 am

One little problem. It WOULD be an infringement on a right which is not supposed to be infringed. All of the stuff you noted is from current automobile law. Does it keep habitual drunk and impaired drivers off of the road? Do we have an enviable traffic fatality rate as a result? Does it drain the budget of the average person or household, significantly?

Key: N, N, Y

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Tunes'n'News June 19, 2015 at 8:36 am

Is it possible that more guns = less crime AND more guns = more mass shootings, more suicides, more domestic violence murders, more accidental shootings, more young children getting access to improperly stored guns? I think the answer is yes.

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nitrat June 19, 2015 at 8:48 am

Yeah. But, there is absolutely no evidence that more guns = less crime.

In fact ‘more guns = less crime’ is based on discredited data from 1997.

I would provide a link, but it the site won’t take it. So, you will have to search ‘more guns more crime’ yourself.

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Makes You Wonder June 19, 2015 at 9:01 am

Is there any wonder why the NRA fights so hard to block the CDC from resuming its research on gun violence?

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nitrat June 19, 2015 at 9:07 am

Yeah, but it plays real well with the “I am not a scientist” party when the NRA gun manufacturer’s lobby extorts their toadies in Congress to prevent the data from even being complied to come up with scientific information about what is actually going on.

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Republican Logic = Oxymoron June 19, 2015 at 9:13 am

They aren’t scientists, but they’re the first ones to tell you that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

Lip Service June 19, 2015 at 8:40 am

Who cares? Obama is giving lip service to appease his base for something he’ll never accomplish, not with a Republican controlled House and Senate. It is empty rhetoric, treat it as such.

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nitrat June 19, 2015 at 8:56 am

And, one day the Republican controlled House and Senate will pay a price for all the blood they have on their hands.
But, since Americans are apparently not as highly evolved as the rest of the developed world, there will be a lot more killings they will have to account for by the time they meet their maker.
And, just because everything that Republicans do is to appease one extreme fringe ‘base’ after another, the fringes of crazies they have to cobble together to get to a majority now and then, doesn’t mean some politicians do not actually care that Americans die for nothing due to one failed Republican policy after another.

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Tazmaniac June 19, 2015 at 12:08 pm

So what is your excuse for the Super Majority enjoyed his first two years of office. You know, elections have consequences and other such bullshit?

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Tazmaniac June 19, 2015 at 12:08 pm

So what is your excuse for the Super Majority enjoyed his first two years of office. You know, elections have consequences and other such bullshit?

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Tnfdi June 19, 2015 at 8:43 am

Keep talking about 2nd ammenment and see ya at the next shooting in a school, church, cinema or bar

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Manray9 June 19, 2015 at 11:34 am

Sic: Please remind me of the actions taken by Obama in his renewed assaults on the Second Amendment? I’m a gun owner and they haven’t had any impact on me. I go to ranges, gun clubs and gun stores and business seems to be booming. What are the genuine steps he has taken against the Second Amendment?

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SC is fucked up June 19, 2015 at 1:57 pm

Hillary has sealed her fate to never be elected. There is just too many bad and criminal things this woman has done and has been involved with.

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Accuracyplease June 20, 2015 at 8:24 am

Assault on the 2nd Amendment? Whatever are you smoking? South Carolina is a national center for hate. No less than 19 KKK groups are operating in South Carolina. Posing as a militia protectors of whatever their infected minds dream up. They are the American Taliban…and a national disgrace. There’s more than a little of Dylann Roof in this publication.

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