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THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE …  By FITSNEWS  ||  We deal in data on this site. Hard data.  In fact the harder the better, in our opinion. Numbers help us make sense of the world.  They help us cut through the clutter of conflicting opinions to arrive at the essence of what…

THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE … 

By FITSNEWS  ||  We deal in data on this site. Hard data.  In fact the harder the better, in our opinion.

Numbers help us make sense of the world.  They help us cut through the clutter of conflicting opinions to arrive at the essence of what it is we’re discussing – whether it’s economic policy, education policy or the ongoing debate over “gun control.”

Frankly, we don’t believe there should even be a”gun control” debate in the United States.  Private citizens’ right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution – which is why this website has consistently argued for the civil disobedience of any law to the contrary.

The debate is (or should be) over before it even begins …

For the sake of argument, though, does the increasing prevalence of firearms in America make our citizens more or less safe?

Let’s look at the numbers …

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)’s annual crime report, the estimated number of violent crimes in America decreased by 4.4 percent in 2013 when compared with 2012 data.  Murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault – all down.  Also, property crimes declined by 4.1 percent from the previous year.

What makes these numbers interesting?  They occurred against a backdrop of soaring gun ownership.  A whopping 21,093,273 background checks for firearm purchases were conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in 2013 – far outpacing the 14,033,824 checks conducted in 2009.

For those of you keeping score at home, a recent Congressional Research Service report (.pdf) found that the number of privately owned guns in America climbed from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009.  That report also found a reduction in the rate of “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” from 6.6 per 100,000 Americans in 1993 to 3.2 per 100,000 Americans in 2011.  Murders per 100,000 Americans also declined from nine in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011.

And remember – the population of the United States expanded from 259.9 million to 315.5 million over this period.

Spot the trend?  If not, please refer to the headline of this article.

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40 comments

Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 8:41 am

Correlation is not causation. I’m pro-gun, but I highly doubt the most gun heavy areas had high crime rates before their owners went out and bought more guns.

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keith poe November 12, 2014 at 8:46 am

“The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.

In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results released on Thursday. Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant.” Your analysis is flawed because fewer households have guns…individual gun owners own more guns hell you could say this is the reason that crime is down…”Milk consumption per capita has been on steady march downward, dropping 25% from 1975 to 2012, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Meanwhile, the mainstreaming of plant-based dairy alternatives like soy, almond, and rice milk has averaged annual sales growth of 10.9% since 1999 in the U.S., according to market research firm Euromonitor.”

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FastEddy23 November 12, 2014 at 1:20 pm

Don’t forget coconut milk … which reportedly reduces dementia in bloggers.

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Born at Night, Not Last Night November 12, 2014 at 8:49 am

“We deal in data on this site. Hard data. In fact the harder the better, in our opinion.”

That statement may be the biggest pile of bullshit you have ever posted on your blog/propaganda sheet.

Zero Hedge…hard data? LMAO.

Americans for Limited Government…hard data.

All of the other “rent an opinion” pieces that you litter this site with?

We all may be suckers or craning our necks at wrecks, but most of us are not fools, FITS.

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 8:50 am

In 1994 there were 24 million cell phone subscribers. In 2009, there were 276 million cell phone subscribers. Murders declined from 1994 to 2009. THEREFORE CELL PHONES PREVENT MURDERS.

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:07 am

Fact – half the “gang bangers” in the country are standing in line waiting for the latest release of the IPhone 7 (or 8 whatever we’re up to now)

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Manray November 12, 2014 at 11:12 am

Fact???

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 1:21 pm

Sorry, I was on a long, dull conference call and got a little silly…

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Tazmaniac November 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm

Watching “The Wire”, I thought they all have TracPhones.

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 8:53 am

In 1995, there were 3 million Mexican illegal immigrants in the US. In 2005, there were 16.5 million Mexican illegal immigrants in the US. Murders declined from 1995 to 2005. THEREFORE ILLEGAL MEXICANS PREVENT MURDERS.

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:03 am

Flawed premise – according to Homeland Security most of the illegal aliens “non-documented workers” are not Mexicans.

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Nölff November 12, 2014 at 9:04 am

omgwtflolomfgrofl

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Manray November 12, 2014 at 11:11 am

The numbers can’t lie. It must be true.

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 8:56 am

In 1994, there were 96 million internet users in the US. In 2007, there were 304 million internet users in the US. Murders declined from 1994 to 2007. THEREFORE THE INTERNET PREVENTS MURDERS.

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:05 am

Actually the internet does help prevent murder – some of the criminals have figured out a much safer way to rip folks off than with a gun and another group is so addicted internet porn, candy crush or Face Book that they don’t have time to create mayhem…

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Dave Chappelle I'm Rick James November 12, 2014 at 9:07 am

touche

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 9:13 am

To truly understand the impact internet scams have had on reducing the murder rate, we’d have to be looking at Nigeria’s murder rate.

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FastEddy23 November 12, 2014 at 1:18 pm

Are you saying that Ebola IS a g’ment plot?

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FastEddy23 November 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm

… Thats why the banks are the biggest employers of convicted felons … ’cause that’s where the money is.

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Dave Chappelle I'm Rick James November 12, 2014 at 9:07 am

In 1995, the South Carolina football team won the Carquest bowl. In 2005, they lost the Independence bowl.

Thus, winning bowl games encourages murder?

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 9:11 am

In 2005, South Carolina football revenue was $46 million. In 2013, it was $90 million. Murders declined from 2005 to 2013. THEREFORE SOUTH CAROLINA FOOTBALL MAKING MORE MONEY PREVENTS MURDERS.

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:12 am

Winning championships does in fact reduce murder unless you’re talking about NBA championships in which case a riot invariably breaks out…

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Penus Williams November 12, 2014 at 9:01 am

I like these posts, Jackie Chiles, and I am chuckling with you. How about this one? I weighed about 150 lbs in 1994 and now I weigh over 200 lbs. THEREFORE, MY FAT ASS PREVENTS MURDERS. ERGO, I AM A NATIONAL HERO!!!! Now those are some “hard” facts for you, Fitzy!

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 9:07 am

In 2000, there were roughly 5.8 million living WWII vets. In 2014, there were about 1 million. Murders declined from 2000 to 2014. THEREFORE THE DEATHS OF WWII VETERANS PREVENTS MURDERS.

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Dave Chappelle I'm Rick James November 12, 2014 at 9:09 am

In 2000, Jackie Chiles offered no comments to FITS threads.

In 2014–substantially more. Therefore, Jackie Chiles is single-handedly preventing murders through his comments.

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:11 am

Flawed premise – Fits wasn’t around in 2000 (not that that’d stop Will from touting your premise as fact….)

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urbantrout November 12, 2014 at 6:11 pm

Damn, you’re too stupid to breathe…..you of course can’t correlate veteran deaths to firearm violence, but you can damn well correlate firearms to firearm violence. Were you a failed abortion and the forceps distorted your brain pan?

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Jackie Chiles November 12, 2014 at 8:42 pm

Where is the correlation? The article literally looked at raw numbers and drew a connection when there was no study tying the two together. Your claiming there is a correlation is exactly as provable as my claims as I used the same methodology as zerohedge and fits did. I’d mock you for not understanding this, but it’s useless to waste a good mocking on someone without the intelligence to comprehend it.

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Nölff November 12, 2014 at 9:12 am

When a Democrat is president, the price of ammo goes way up. When a Republican becomes preznit, the price of ammo drops. Why is that? Paranoia?

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:16 am

Well yes, of course. Interestingly enough, the price of ammo has dropped dramatically in the last 3-6 months as President Obama has become less and less relevant. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/06/dean-weingarten/coming-crash-ammunition-prices/

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RogueElephant November 12, 2014 at 11:04 am

Obummer has been the best gun and ammo salesman in history. Let’s hope as he becomes more and more irrelevant the prices will continue come down. The best part is he is becoming more and more irrelevant.

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TyroneMamaCollards November 12, 2014 at 9:30 am

I think we should all be armed and loaded. When the shooting begains, we will benefit from a smaller population. This means more goods, services, gas, and jobs for those not dead.

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diamond jim:elections have con November 12, 2014 at 9:48 am

LMAO!!! You are on a roll today. Gun sales are going thru the roof in the Ferguson, MO area prior to the decision of the grand jury on the police officer that eliminated that POS, the ‘gentle giant’.

You may be onto something. :-)

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The Colonel November 12, 2014 at 9:38 am

Okay enough humor (such as it was) – there is a correlation between ownership and crime as there is a relationship between permitting and crime. The relationship is easy – if you’re likely to get your ass shot off trying to commit a crime you have second thoughts. The average sociopath will still commit a crime but the non-sociopath criminal will go steal a car or break into a house instead.

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Manray November 12, 2014 at 11:10 am

In reading the entire report and several other analyses of that report, it seems the consensus among experts attributes the decline to other factors — “including the United States having the highest rate of imprisonment in the world…an aging population and improved police tactics also played a role, along with the increased use of security cameras and the pervasive use of phones to take videos.” Funny, but no other reporting seems to credit the pervasiveness of guns. Wishful thinking, Sic?

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FastEddy23 November 12, 2014 at 1:07 pm

Mmmmm … number of guns doubles, violent crime is cut by half … There might be a connection.

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Tazmaniac November 12, 2014 at 2:28 pm

More LEGAL guns = Less crime. There are thousands of guns in Chicago or Detroit, they just aren’t possessed by good, law abiding people.

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Poopiepot November 12, 2014 at 4:44 pm

Don’t forget that there have been fewer highway deaths since the budget decimation of the SCHP. Does this mean that Patrolmen are a major cause of highway deaths? (See comment on Volvos). Hard facts.

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CorruptionInColumbia November 13, 2014 at 2:33 am

There is a theory or perhaps a doctrine in the metaphysical community which generally holds that the more you try to control something (anything), the worse it will become. There seems to be something to that, at least in some cases, perhaps more than we realize.

Think about:

The War On Drugs

The War On Poverty

The War On Terrorism

Prohibition

.08% BAC laws regarding DUI

Anyone else have something to contribute to the list?

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MrApple November 13, 2014 at 9:42 pm

Crime actual doesn’t fit the propaganda promoted by the “mainstream media”.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/one-needs-know-guns-crime-three-charts/

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