AMERIKA’S HYPOCRITICAL FOREIGN POLICY ONCE AGAIN ON DISPLAY …
Earlier today we posted a story on the United States’ goose-stepping “partners in peace” in Ukraine (a.k.a. the Nazis). And predictably, our comment section was flooded with people challenging the veracity of the story (one even going so far as to rebuke the credibility of the German news outlet that first published it).
You know … because America would never align itself with unsavory people, right? Right?
Anyway, our commenters accused us of being fully in line with the “Kremlin spin” on Ukraine, where a battle is raging between Russians loyal to Vladimir Putin and a puppet government installed by the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency/ State Department after an unconstitutional coup.
That’s right … the country claiming to “make the world safe for democracy” (which isn’t our job, by the way) overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine, which is the impetus for all the “Russian aggression” we’re seeing in the region.
So … were we over-the-top in highlighting the Nazi connection in Ukraine? And America’s links to these neo-fascists?
No …
Back in March, The Nation published a voluminous piece detailing the close ties between the U.S. government and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and its Banderas outfit. This group – which dates back to the 1920s – not only fought with the Nazis in World War II, they participated in the Endlosung der Judenfrage , or the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question” (a.k.a. the Holocaust).
The Nation story contains an interview with Russ Bellant, who wrote a book back in 1991 that “exposed the deep involvement in the Republican Party of Nazi elements from Central and Eastern Europe.”
“There’s a documented history of (the OUN) participating in the identification and rounding up Jews … and assisting in executing several thousand citizens almost immediately,” Bellant told The Nation. “They were also involved in liquidating Polish group populations in other parts of Ukraine during the war.”
Of course according to our commenters the latest display of Nazi loyalty is just “two knuckleheads who drew Nazi symbols on their helmets.”
Um, no. The stylized runes of Adolf Hitler’s Schutzstaffel (SS) are prevalent among Ukrainian fighters because the nation’s military lineage traces back directly to the Nazis – whose offshoot groups in the country have been receiving covert U.S. support for decades despite their involvement in German atrocities.
“If you look at insignia being worn in Kiev in the street demonstrations and marches, you’ll see SS division insignia still being worn,” Bellant said, referring not to one or two “knuckleheads,” but rather “entire formations” of troops.
Are they nice Nazis?
“The OUN, even in its postwar publications, has called for ethno-genetically pure Ukrainian territory, which of course is simply calling for purging Jews, Poles and Russians from what they consider Ukrainian territory,” Bellant said.
Wow …
Bellant closes his interview with The Nation thusly …
I think all Americans have a responsibility to know what their government is doing in the foreign policy in Europe as well as elsewhere around the world, as well as Latin America, as well as Africa. Since our policy was to uphold apartheid in South Africa, why weren’t Americans challenging that more? They began challenging that in the ’80s, but the apartheid regime was run by the Nazi party. They were allied with Germany in World War II. They were the Nationalist party and they took power in 1948 and the United States backed that for decades. We backed the death squads in Latin America, even though they massacred tens of thousands of people—200,000 people in Guatemala alone. Americans aren’t being attentive to what their government is doing abroad, even though it’s being done with their tax dollars and in their name, and I think we just have a general responsibility.
Amen …
Also a note to our beloved commenters: We know many of you are operating at a disadvantage due to having been educated in South Carolina’s government-run schools, but please – think before you type. The embarrassment you save may be your own.
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Not educated in a SC government run school, but let’s just put this out there. “Over the past week, this blog has done jumped the shark.” Very disappointing actually.
BYE! Don’t tease like Mande Wilkes – if you say you’re done with FITS, fucking go then. Good riddance. The rest of us will help you pack.
Who said anything about going anywhere?
With that type of response, I think I’ll stick around and see if things get better.
thanks for continuing to come back, though.
I can only speak for myself, but I’m coming back less and less. And when I do come back, it’s usually just to read the comments.
Maybe when you get time you can do an article on why you decided to go from the reputation of being hated by every politician, feared by department administrator & directors, and blocked on most state webservers to a blog that is turning into something like Parade Magazine. Once you start updates on the Kardashians and Justin Bieber you’ll just about be there.
I’m hoping I’m not in any way a cause of that. If so I will apologize and depart.
Nothing wrong with Nazis, they took care of the problem
With that sort of comment, no wonder your Disqus history is “private”.
Just ignore them. Seriously, you can’t make a comment like that and expect anyone to actually give you the time of day.
Let me guess which commenters they were …. “Colonel” …. “Mike at the Beach” …. “CNSY” <<<< the 3 stooges of hate itself.
My only comment was directed toward the goofus who wanted to destroy the CIA. Perhaps you should do what Sic Willie seldom if ever does…research.
Your psychosis is noted.
Call them, “The Hateocracy”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXSwsnlmPc
Please let me know exactly who it is that I hate.
Crickets… In other words, you disagree with my positions but are unable to intelligently refute them so you resorted to name calling.
You gonna cry?
No, just pointing out the obvious.
“Nope”
Oops, too late.
I don’t see the problem…
Another “private troll”.
No comment on the subject matter?
Your avatar gives new meaning to “showing your ass”.
You like little girls you pedo?
Based on the “logic” presented, there is direct linkage between the current military of Japan and Tojo. The Chinese military and Mao. Etc. The US allied itself at one time with Stalin as it benefited us vs Hitler.
… so? and that would be the reasoning behind the current administration’s seeming attachments to things Fascistic in this brave new world? Oh Bummer.
You miss the point. Linkage is made when it is ascertained than there is a possible benefit. Read about how we made an agreement (secret) one time with Lucky Luciano. Was it because we approved of him? No, because we wanted to use him.
By “we” one would assume you mean the collective “we” as in government … in which our too secretive government(s) have had ongoing relationships with all of the Sicilian and Italian outfits, usually around election times when votes are being bought and sold.
Perhaps, but one thing to learn from history is don’t ask for their help and then double cross them later e.g. JFK and RFK
Presuming that “The only difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans stay bought.”
Uh, didn’t the French Government participate in the final solution? The Czech republic? The Hungarian government?
The fact is, many Eastern Europeans helped the Nazis because they knew the Soviets were much, much worse. As Soviet troops raped their way across Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, etc., those fears were more than realized.
I’m also curious about the use of the Nazi symbols. Maybe these guys want to re-start WWII or restart the Nazi party. Or, maybe, they use it to piss off the Russians- who they hate. Kind of like sticking it in the Russian’s eye.
I don’t get demonizing working with former Nazis and Nazi sympathizers after the war. We recruited a ton of Nazi scientists that were critical in the development of jet engines and later NASA. If we didn’t work with them, the Soviets certainly would. To look back today and judge it lacks an awareness of world politics after WWII.
“… The fact is, many Eastern Europeans helped the Nazis because they knew the Soviets were much, much worse. As Soviet troops raped their way across Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, etc., those fears were more than realized. …”
Mostly correct, but not all of the Ukrainians fought back against the Nazis.
Russ Bellant and Ken Follett have a lot in common – they both see Nazis around every corner and they both write a lot of fiction. Please feel free to buy into this if you want Will.
Apparently, Nazis are fighting on both sides of this conflict: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-who-are-russian-neo-nazi-groups-fighting-separatists-1463489
Or maybe not: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/ukraines-phantom-neo-nazi-menace/359650/
It’s all about string that kettle of fish until the slime comes to the top …
The SA government was run by Nazis in the 1980s because different politicians allied with it in the 1940s? How idiotic. I guess Hungary is currently run by Nazis because it allied with Germany in WWI and WWII.
http://dearputin.com/
A pox on both their houses. Seriously, are we supposed to be forced into a false choice between two groups of people with different agendas than our own? At the end of the day, Russia invaded a sovereign country. Are we now supposed to pick Russia’s side because there are right-wing types in the Ukrainian coalition? Allowing Russia to annex territory at will sounds like a more dangerous path than our very tepid support for Ukraine.
We had U.S. senators in the KKK during WWI. Because of that, should free-thinking Americans have sided with the Germans?
“… Seriously, are we supposed to be forced into a false choice between two groups of people with different agendas than our own? …”
One might also take a look at the recent SC election polls where SC city media seems to be ignoring all but the [D]’s and [R]’s.
Ukrainian Nazis- I hate Ukrainian Nazis.,..
Ukraine has a complicated history. Millions died in a Russian purposely created famine in the 1930’s. Several nations that suffered under or from the communists sided sided with the Nazis. Finland and the Baltic states sided with the Nazis. Remember the Soviets were allied with Nazi Germany from the invasion of Poland in Sept 1939 until June 1941.
These events occurred while the USSR was allied with the NAZIS.
September 17, 1939: The Soviet Union invades Poland.
October 6, 1939: German and Soviet forces gain full control over Poland & begin to divide the country between them.
October 13, 1939: Ron Paul.. em eh .. Charles Lindbergh gives a speech urging U.S. Neutrality.
November 30, 1939: The Soviet Union attacks Finland.
July 21, 1940: Following the Soviet invasion in June, the Baltic States of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia had rigged elections in which only Soviet candidates were allowed to run. The new pro-Soviet governments join the Soviet Union. This has a certain familiarity with Crimea.
June 22, 1941: Germany invades Russia. FDR extends Lend-Lease to Russia.
Our WWII ally was not only communist, but was former Nazi ally.
One might also remember that FDR was rather expedient at home as well, championing everything from big bank bailout loans and huge tax increases to “stimulate” and several attempts to ban guns and federalize several whole industries and the state run school systems. … FDR was a champion of “progressive” thought.
FDR and Eleanor tried to sell Stalin as our friendly “Uncle Joe”.
“Uncle Joe” as in “Bloody Joe”. The Depression Years were rife with politicos scrambling to make deals, pump the glad hands, turn the cheek and ignore certain irregularities … Central Planning being the worst form of government at trying to keep secret deals hidden = Thanks to the modern means of communications (ala fitsnews, drudge, breitbart, etc.) these kinds of palsy-walsy secret deals often come home to roost way before sundown.
“Ukrainian Nazis: We’re Not Making This Stuff Up”
What would one expect? The IMF and the EU are trying to cultivate a bigger g’ment, “progressive” Fascist regime in Kiev. Ukrainian Nazis would be a likely fit with their plans, the Nazis wanna-be’s making almost perfect lightning rods to bait allies in the woodwork.
That’s overtly what the whole revolt in the Ukraine is about. (Covertly it’s all about the planned Russian pipelines to the Black Sea and who gets to levy the taxes on such.)
The east side Ukrainians have had about enough of “progressive” political animals, having suffered 70+ years of steel booted oppression of their past socialist overlords.
Anyone who knows anything about WWII knows the Ukrainians joined up with the Nazis so they could fight against Russia. A lot of them served as concentration camp guards. They are both evil.
“Amerika?” Really? “This website” is a troll. Interesting decision to abandon what little credibility you had in favor of becoming a tiny little SC version of Infowars. Your call. It still amuses me to pop in and point out your stupidity. I do sometimes wish it was more challenging.
If you believe all this stuff now, why did it not bother you that SC’s Mark Sanford and Jim DeMinted are members of The Fellowship/The Family/C Street/National Prayer Breakfast?
That bunch, that religio-political-business-military cabal, has been the impetus for the USA supporting virtually every murderous right wing dictator on the planet for the last 70 years as their brothers in Christ…starting small with getting real ex-Nazis out of German prisons after WWII to be the founders of the German branch of The Fellowship.
Their biggest fund raiser to this day? Bringing these dictators to DC and selling them access to the President at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Jeff Sharlet has written 2 books about them, ‘The Family’ and ‘C Street’.
Holy crap. Hitler escaped to Ukraine. Along with Eva Braun. They lived there until Hitler passed away in 1987 – under the name Louie Shastakovich. He was believed, by his neighbors, to be a retired aid to Stalin. Many of those living in the same village he settled in, Aushwitonik, were members of Hitler’s SS who had escaped from the Battle of the Bulge and administrators of death camps. Many had decorative lamp shades that their Soviet neighbors marveled at. Oddly, the slowly disappeared one at a time during the late 60s and 1970s around the same time traveling groups of gypsies (speaking with Israeli accents) started coming to the area every Summer with the circus.
Many had children with local prostitutes. The children were sent to Brazil.
The Nation oh man that is all i need another POS site like fits
Cool……nothing better to throw the fear of God into that Russian scum than the mighty German Wehrmacht…….( ok, now you offended moralists may explain how Russians have been less evil than Nazis)
I’ll happily take our loopy harmless Teabaggers over the “Blut und Boden” boys.
There are degrees of crazy.
Admit it, some of you guys would jump at being addressed as Obersturmmbannfuehrer too.
NAZIism has always been rampant in Ukraine.
I just dont get why people take up for these ‘nationalists’. They are murderous, genocidal maniacs.