DEMOCRAT VINCENT SHEHEEN REFUSES TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE ISSUE
Self-styled “Independent Republican” Tom Ervin – a petition candidate for governor of South Carolina – is the latest candidate for elected office in the socially conservative Palmetto State to weigh in on the same sex marriage issue.
“Government does not belong in the bedroom,” the former judge and lawmaker from the Upstate said. “My personal faith affirms that marriage is between a man and a woman but under our Constitution, people in this country are afforded equal protection under our laws. This means that anyone should be free to marry the person they love. Government should not be in the bedroom, but it should also not be in the church. Individual churches should be allowed to decide which marriage ceremonies they want to perform.”
We agree … and have argued as much for years.
“Marriage – as we’ve noted ad nauseam in the past – ought to be the exclusive purview of local congregations,” we wrote last spring. “Gay or straight – in no instance should government (federal, state or local) ban congregations from marrying whomever they want. But similarly in no instance should government (federal, state or local) compel these congregations to marry couples against their will. In other words, government should have nothing whatsoever to do with marriage .”
In addition to stating his views on the subject, Ervin followed another petition candidate – Thomas Ravenel – in urging the state to suspend any further legal defense of South Carolina’s 2006 gay marriage ban.
In light of this week’s decision by the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to strike down Virginia’s gay marriage ban, Ervin said such a defense would be “a waste of taxpayer dollars.”
Again, we agree …
S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley offered a tepid defense of the state’s gay marriage ban – which passed in 2006 via a constitutional amendment with nearly 80 percent of the public supporting it.
More recent polls show 52.2 percent of South Carolinians opposing gay marriage compared to 38.5 percent who support it.
“This administration will continue to uphold the will of the people,” Haley’s office said in a statement responding to the ruling. “Ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court will decide this issue, and until that time, South Carolina will continue to be governed by the laws of our state.”
Democrat Vincent Sheheen enraged gay voters by refusing to take a position on the issue, trotting out his spokesman to say the campaign would “monitor the court’s proceedings as the process continues to move forward.”
“Vincent Sheheen has once again shown the LGBT citizens of South Carolina that he doesn’t care about getting their votes,” columnist Chris Haire of The (Charleston, S.C.) City Paper wrote. “What a coward. But more importantly, what an idiot.”
According to Haire, Sheheen is blind to “demographic shifts in South Carolina and across the nation.”
“If the rise of more libertarian-leaning politicians and political activists in the Palmetto State doesn’t signal a shift to social liberalism, I don’t know what else does,” Haire noted.
We agree …
Independent candidates like Ravenel and Ervin are on the right side of this issue … ideologically and politically.
I love Tom he is my hero and will beat that witch Haley, yes I have had a change of heart and seen the light of truth…..thanks to all.
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Tom ain’t my hero. In my opinion he is just a lonely old man with no hope of ever winning a political election so he hopes mommy will still love him if he elects her hero Sheheen.
Sandi are you Bipolar are what…one minute you love Haley and the next you see her for what she is a fake.
I don’t usually correct grammar or spelling, but how the fuck can anyone confuse “or” and “are”?
More Haley failures….
SC (WIS) – Many child advocates and lawmakers are questioning just how
much oversight home daycares receive after two Upstate infants died
within six months of each other this year. The recently embattled Department of Social Services is the agency in charge of licensing and registering all daycares in South Carolina. WIS’ investigation discovered that knowing the place where your child is
receiving care is left up to parents to get the facility’s full history. “They
don’t search your home, and they don’t search anything,” Martin said.
“I could be running a meth lab in my basement and have a childcare
center, and they wouldn’t know it.”
Tom is more liberal than Vincent. I’ll have to look at him again.
LOL!!!! I may not agree with ANYTHiNG you have ever posted but this is a classic. And so TRUE!
Tommy and the ugly old lady are only looking for 2-4% of the vote so they can elect democrat Sheheen.
That gives him and the ugly old lady plenty of room to advocate bizarre and delusional opinions as faux Christians. Tonight was supporting state sponsored gay marriage. Tomorrow? Partial-Birth abortion?
Pelosi says Hamas is a ‘humanitarian’ organization. Ervin says he is a Christian , pro-life and a Republican.
In my opinion,both of them are liars.
and Sandi gets paid by the Haley campaign yet again
Be sure to file a missing persons report come November for her.
I’ve been trying to tell everybody that. Him and his wife’s political contributions prove it.
Only FITS could come to the conclusion that a ‘card carrying Republican’ that supports state sanctioned gay marriage is on the right side of this issue ‘ ideologically and politically’ in SC.
This from the mouth one of SC’s gubernatorial candidates? What a fucked up and sophomoric thing to say.
Is heterosexuality a behavior?
Please show me the “man’s law” that same gender marriages are “contrary to”? Is it also against woman’s law?
Darwin was against “homosexual marriage”? I missed that part.
But I think the best one is your “press corps trumpets anything anal sex”? LOL Maybe they are trumpeting because they’re horny – pun intended.
The sad thing is Blues, that so many of these people believe that gays choose their sexual preference. They can no more choose to be straight, than I could choose to be gay (other than my usual lesbian tendencies).
A lesbian friend made a very good point years ago when she asked if anyone really believed that she would actually choose to be shunned by friends, family, co-workers, and others and deal with all the shit she received, because of her orientation. They don’t choose this, it is who they are and what they are born with.
Yeah, just like those goth kids that get picked on in school don’t choose to dress in all black, wear black makeup, and dye their hair black. You think they’d choose to be social outcasts and get made fun of? Nobody would.
Were you under the impression that teenagers who dress in goth styles get murdered for it and are forbidden to marry other goths?
Were you under the impression that nobody chooses to do stuff that’s forbidden or dangerous?
When did you choose to become a hetrosexual?
So you’ve given up on the “nobody would choose to do something forbidden, dangerous or unpopular” argument?
Jackie (presuming you are straight), if you woke up tomorrow and the new “normal” was that we are all gay, could you stop liking women and want a man because it was the norm? I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t. I don’t care how much preaching, discrimination, or whatever else, society dished out, I could not quit liking women and be attracted to men.
Imagine if you were born with whatever it is that causes one to be wired to like their own sex instead of the opposite. Do you really believe it is as simple as choosing one over the other?
It is not as simple as preferring one color of car over another, one brand of outerwear over another, or similar.
I don’t really have time to address your post in depth right now, but my underlying point is you, and Mary and Myrtle Martha seem to have a naive belief that nobody would ever choose to do something unpopular, dangerous, anti-social, etc. People choose to do dangerous, taboo, unpopular stuff all the time- doesn’t mean they were born that way.
But that so called aberrant behavior (Goth etc) could be oppositional defiance of the teen years, or in some cases could also have its roots in genetics or a chemical brain dysfunction too…. Just a milder form of an Autism or a bipolar disorder or skizophrenia. The latest science says homosexuality appears to be due to some faulty hormonal shutoff sequences of the opposing sex parent’s genetic material during a crucial period of fetal development. So life would be simpler for all concerned if God made more guarantees about birth outcomes.
Kind of like how recent research has shown criminal behavior to be a brain abnormality and, therefore, many criminals may not actually have chosen to commit their crimes?
People who think being gay is a choice, are gay, and don’t know we straight people aren’t choosing.
(Calls someone gay is an insult while supposedly defending gay people)
Mighty white of you to say so.
“Yeah, just like those goth kids . . .”
Excuse me but WTF do Goth kids have to do with anything???
You seem dumb.
“Same gender marriages are contrary to man’s law and the propagation of the species. ”
Yes, but the beauty of it is that those very people can’t reproduce.
Wait, homosexuals are sterile, like mules?
Point made, I’ll instead say “those very people can’t reproduce easily.”
We know most of them wouldn’t sink so low as to put their penis in a vagina, but it’s not cheap to have your sperm but into a willing female recipient(and vice versa gender wise).
Even adoption is a pain the ass….pun intended.
So my point is that naturally over time these biological abnormalities are naturally dealt with, in Darwinian fashion to some extent….maybe the magical 10% will go on forever…but it’ll certainly never get over that.
Look around you. If you need convincing, go to Lexington during rush hour. It looks to me like our species has been doing a bit too much propagating.
I was specifically referring to homo’s. Did you misunderstand my reference or do you cruise Lexington looking for homosexuals?
Hell, I guess that some of the traffic problem in Lexington is homo, just based on law of averages. No, don’t go looking for them, unless they are pretty lesbians. That could be a different matter.
Yeah, it is the ultimate cruelty of life on this earth that we always want most, what we cannot have. :-(
I really hope Tom wins. This right here, moved him up a few more notches in terms of respect for the man. His faith and beliefs are one thing, but he is not so hidebound to religion that he cannot see right from wrong in equal treatment of people.
It appears to me Ervin is the true conservative in this race.
He appears to want to govern by the laws of the land and adhere to the Constitution!
All Liberatarians, true Conservatives, Tea Partiers,Constitutional Conservatives should definately agree and see the logic in this!
Government should be limited to the Constitution and govern by it and the limit it sets. Not doing so, is why we have agencies with responsibilites outside what government should do and why budgets are out pacing the growth of the economy and the ability of the taxpayer to fund. This would limit the growth of government which is OUT of control and bankrupting us all!
What has Haley done to slow govt. growth? Nothing!
Tom will win and had my full support. He will beat Haley by double digits.
So glad Tom supports gay marriage and teaching perverted lifestyles in our public schools. He will be a great governor.
Tom is the best candidate by far. Haley is a liar and a failure.
I agree. Tom can move forward the concept of the penis in the anus.
I like a good penis in my anus. One in my mouth and my anus is even better.
Don’t forget muff diving. What could anyone find objectionable about muff diving?
Uhhh, with possibly one exception (out of a life time), I kinda like looking at beavers; whether shaved, furry, or in between.
You are a true Beaver connoisseur. I find they are similar to wines in their scope & complexity, but where the similarities start, they abruptly end when it comes to age.
For example, a young beaver need not be decanted, opposite to young wine…whereas a well aged beaver usually needs some time in the air before it’s full aroma & complexity can be fully enjoyed, especially with some head cheese and classical music.
I do too, but depending on the orientation, you may get up close and personal with some rather nasty shit.
I agree. The ACLU claims the Citadel, its alumni and South Carolina spent more than $13 million in the vain and foolish effort to defeat the Shannon Faulkner case for equal treatment. This amount included $7 million to convert another college into a “separate but equal” women’s military college in a failed attempt to eliminate the court challenge. Is this true?
Finally, a logical and honest approach to gay and equal rights for all.
As I recall Sanford debated a cardboard cutout of Pelosi @ various venues in SC1 house race.
Haley ought to get cardboard cutouts of Ervin and Sheheen and perform civil unions and marriages at different sites in the state in honor of Tom’s announcement that he is pro gay marriage and wants the taxpayers to pay for it.
Haley ought to get cardboard cutouts of Ervin and Sheheen
The only way she could win a debate with them, huh?
Cardboard cut out of Gilligan – how would we be able to tell the cutout from the real thing?
The fundamental flaw is that a religious ceremony is not a legal state of marriage. Marriage is a legal contract. It may be accompanied by a religious ceremony but it doesn’t have to be, especially since marriage was a legal contract before any of today’s churches were founded. Marriage pre-dates Christianity as a legal institution.
It was the church which tried to take a legal contract and force it into being a religious one, not the other way around. But the Founders never saw marriage as having to be religious. Marriages were performed by judges right from the start and ministers could act on behalf of the government, but without the legal requirements being filled no religious ceremony made people married.
The churches should have no saw over a legal contract. Giving “marriage” to the churches is like making all labor contracts dependent on trade unions.
I never understood why all parties can’t agree to separate a civil union from marriage…it’s like everyone wants to fight.
Hundreds of benefits, including social security and most pension payments, are legally tied to the term “marriage.” The government, federal and state, could do a find-and-replace change of the word “marriage” with the word “civil union” and then all benefits and privileges and responsibilities would switch to civil unions. But I don’t think that most of the country’s married people would appreciate suddenly losing all those rights. So there would also have to be a change in the paperwork and records for millions of people to designate them “in a civil union” instead of “married.” But of course before that could happen, every state would have to make civil unions legal. All this would be hugely time-consuming and cost enormous amounts of money. It would be a lot simpler and cheaper if churches would just start calling what they do “Holy Matrimony,” instead of insisting on using the same word that civil legal contracts use (“marriage”) and then complaining about the word being the same for both.
Many opponents of “gay marriage” regard a marriage license as merely a “license” to avoid violating anti-fornication laws, rather than as a valid, state-sanctioned contract between two individuals committing them to certain obligations and granting certain rights and benefits.
Yeah brah, the Founders were totally like Gay marrying one another all the time back in the day.
the Founders also liked them some slaves, and took land from Indians, were seditionists and bootleggers.
To be fair, most of the indians were dead from disease before Europeans set up permanent settlements in North America.
That’s fair – blame the holocaust on indigenous disease. We didn’t have to kill them – like the buffalo, we just killed them for sport. “we” being Spain, France, and Britain.
90% of the indians died from disease without the Europeans doing anything. Would the Spanish, French and British would’ve killed 90% of the population? We’ll never know because smallpox pretty much did it for them.
We’ll never know
You are so full of shit you could be the answer to our future energy crisis.
Since you obviously didn’t even know that 90% of the indians died before America was even a colony, you’re obviously the go-to expert on French, British, and Spanish and American treatment of the native americans from 1500-1890.
Huh, Does this mean Custer was fighting Zombies at the Little Big Horn, you brain-dead idiot ?
The tribes left by the time Custer arrived were the remnants. Disease killed off 90% of the indians without the Europeans doing anything but showing up. Sorry to burst your indian genocide victim bubble bro.
Good Guy Ervin says what even Sheheen won’t say.
Government’s role in marriage is merely recognizing people as married and therefore applying laws for married couples to those persons, nothing more. It should perform that duty independent of religious doctrine in order to be fair to all.
LMAO! ‘Traitor’ Tommy comes out of the ‘closet’ supporting state sanctioned gay marriage.
Oh My! Loans his campaign $425,000 . Thousands of dollars of campaign donations to Sheheen and the SC Democratic Party , 20,000 democrat signatures and this is how it all ends.
Latest poll FITS posted had Tommy Boy at 3%. By showing the voters he really is a social leftist with this announcement he should be at 1% -he will get the 1% of gay marriage supporters Sheheen is running from at this time.
If “Tommy Boy” is so low in the polls, why are you frantically white knighting for Haley? Oh, right. The money.
I don’t expect Ervin to win, but it sure is hilarious to see you get worked up into a tizzy over the dude.
The crazier the post, the more $$.
That’s cause Sandi(and her employers) knows Ervin’s a spoiler….I don’t like Sheheen but almost anyone is better than Nikki and Ervin could put him in the mansion.
No Dumb@$$, this news site says what the media will not tell you:
Read: Tom Ervin using gay issue, trying to elect a Democrat
Thanks Sandi. And “Traitor” Tommy. I like that. Although I don’t think he is betraying his true identity.. he is a traitor to the people, but he’s pleasing to the democrats.
At least you don’t tag along with the bullshit idea that T-Rav is gay. Much as I hate to do it, I have to give you credit for that one. And I’m not even a Ravenel supporter.
Almost 80% in SC believe marriage is worth defending from the whims of pop culture. Tom Ervin using gay issue, trying to elect a Democrat. He’s just a Democrat Dirty Trick.
Like ten fucking years ago, Dipshit.
Ervin has the balls to say what Sheheen should say. Sheheen doesn’t have the balls for the job.
Sure, listen to the milk toast politicians who lie, spin and tell you what you want to hear!
Someone who is honest enough to say what they really think and where they stand, you want to stone!
Aren’t the perpetual career politicians, who will not take a position, any position, the problem with the State and Country. They put their finger to the wind to find out which way it blows and then try to determine what you want to hear!
Richard Eckstrom, “Watch dog for the Tax payer”! While using state funds to carry on an affair and a State car to take his faamily on vacation!
Mark Sanford, “Jenny and our four little boys”, a Libertarian leaning” true conservative for the people”, who used State time and lies to sneak away with his paramour!
Bob Peeler, “Faith, family and friends” campaign slogan and at every speech, asking people to “Pray” fo him, while in an affair with a campaign worker.
Nikki Haley, with an eye on elective office, “converting to the methodist faith”, while continuing, out of the public eye, her Sikh faith and observances.
Yep, let’s continue to elect, ONLY those who tell us what we want to hear rather then those who say how they really feel and what positions they will take and give an opportunity for honest and open discussion.
Looks like we can depend on Ervin for the facts and the truth, while everybody else drifts in the wind!
“Vincent Sheheen has once again shown the…citizens of South Carolina that he doesn’t care about getting their votes…What a coward. But more importantly, what an idiot.”
Truer words have never been spoken about the empty suit.
freedom is only for straight, white, Chrisitan Republicans.
Yeah, but we welcome converts. LOL
Are you sure that you wouldn’t be more happy as a Mormon? The Book of Moroni awaits. I like that you can shorten it to “Book of Moron” without losing much myself.
Wouldn’t want to wear the underwear.
LOL – that is pretty good, BT!
I would like to believe that, but Michael Jackson tried to convert, but wasn’t accepted.
Oh puleese. As usual you only have one target, like a one trick pony. Division does not conquer. It weakens EVERYONE.
Are you 12 years old?
Are you 12 years old?
I was 12 at one time – I grew out of it. Do I sound like a 12 year old? Really?
“Are you 12 years old?”
Would you be interested if he was?
….at least South Carolina is consistent…..runs about 100 years behind…..breathlessly!
Your community poll? What?
SHOULD GOVERNMENT BAN OR SANCTION MARRIAGE (GAY OR STRAIGHT)?
YES [ ]
NO [ ]
It is not a yes or no question.
The entire world is falling apart and here we sit, arguing about gay marriage. SMDH
I do not see the demographic shifts in SC that should cause Sheheen any worry by sitting this one out.
The once GOP does not care one little bit about spending any amount of taxpayer money on any lawsuit if it makes for good political gesture.
WTF? A well reasoned, honest and thoughtful response to a question that impacts thousands of SC-inians from a “Republican” candidate? Wait, let me get up off the floor. Well, there is no way I can vote for this guy. Nikki believes marriage is between a man and a woman and should never get in the way of good sex. And Vinny still isn’t sure about one of the most important social issues of the day, but if you pay me some money, then you have my support.