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John McCain Is “McWrong”

FOREIGN POLICY EXPERT? NOT HARDLY … This website has repeatedly rebuked the slavish devotion with which U.S. Sen. John McCain serves the global interventionist ends of America’s corrupt, wasteful (and results-challenged) military-industrial complex. Oh, and the strange bedfellows he and U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham have made in their effort to “make war…

FOREIGN POLICY EXPERT? NOT HARDLY …

This website has repeatedly rebuked the slavish devotion with which U.S. Sen. John McCain serves the global interventionist ends of America’s corrupt, wasteful (and results-challenged) military-industrial complex.

Oh, and the strange bedfellows he and U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham have made in their effort to “make war out of nothing at all … ”

As we’ve noted ad nauseam, McCain and Graham are nothing but neoconservative whores … looking to expend other people’s blood and money to preserve their

Anyway, having been roundly rebuked in his effort to force America (deeper) into the Syrian conflict, McCain is now rattling his saber in relation to the Ukraine … ramping up the interventionist rhetoric in yet another country riddled with internal strife.

As former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul noted in this column, McCain “has made several trips to Ukraine recently to meet with the opposition” and is of the belief that the “U.S. must stand up to support the territorial integrity of Ukraine.”

Here we go again …

“If you had to sum up John McCain’s foreign policy beliefs in a single word, that word would probably be ‘Grrrr!'” wrote Paul Waldmen for The American Prospect. “Whatever the situation is, McCain’s view is always that we should be tougher than whatever the White House is doing. This applies to both Republican and Democratic presidents. If we’re already bombing somebody, McCain’s answer to any challenge is that we should bomb harder. If we haven’t yet commenced action but are seriously thinking about it, he thinks we should start bombing. If we’re engaging in diplomacy, McCain thinks we should ditch all that talk, which is for pussies anyhow, and get ‘tough’ with whoever it is that needs getting tough with.”

Indeed …

There isn’t a foreign country for which McCain can’t concoct a “compelling national interest” necessitating immediate armed intervention – and naturally anyone who opposes such an intervention is soft on communism … err, terrorism (sorry, we forget the latest bogeyman).

But McCain is flat out “McWrong …”

And has been for years …

“(McCain) made every wrong judgment call that could be made after 9/11,” columnist Frank Rick wrote for The New York Times in 2009. “It’s not just that he echoed the Bush administration’s constant innuendos that Iraq collaborated with Al Qaeda’s attack on America. Or that he hyped the faulty W.M.D. evidence to the hysterical extreme of fingering Iraq for the anthrax attacks in Washington. Or that he promised we would win the Iraq war ‘easily.’ Or that he predicted that the Sunnis and the Shiites would ‘probably get along’ in post-Saddam Iraq because there was ‘not a history of clashes’ between them.”

“What’s more mortifying still is that McCain was just as wrong about Afghanistan and Pakistan,” Rich adds.

But despite his repeated misses, McCain continues to be treated as some sort of foreign policy expert – a credible critic of U.S. President Barack Obama (who, ironically, has by and large has embraced McCain’s failed interventionism).

Are we missing something here?

You can’t argue with someone like John McCain on foreign policy. Why not? Because the answer is always going to be more intervention and more weapons (a.k.a. more blood and more money). And when that fails – as such approaches have invariably failed – the answer is always to double down on the same failed approach.

Don’t get us wrong: What’s happening in the Ukraine right now is terrible.

But it’s also none of America’s damn business, as much as neoconservative whores like McCain might wish otherwise.

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108 comments

GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Hey FITS: Who did you, Sanford and Graham “slavishly” support against G. W. Bush in 2000???

One thing about liberals…you are chameleons. Kerry was for it, after he was against it. Clinton would jump out and act as if he was leading the tar and feather parede that was coming for him… And Obama is still going around the country decrying the Government he has so F*#ked up…

FITS is true liberal in his ability to totally REJECT what he once was so passionately for…when it manifests, and becomes so obviously ugly…

Classic….

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Bill February 24, 2014 at 2:41 pm

Well too bad they were unsuccessful. Maybe we could have avoided the economic hell hole and endless wars Bush and Cheney put us into.

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GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

Yeah…maybe Gore would have in the same shape your lord-god Obama has lowered us to..sooner…

No jobs, no money and limited opportunity, where Obama has us, is great if you’re an ignorant F*#king liberal…who slurps handouts from the government, because you are too lazy and too stupid to earn anything for yourself…

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Rocky February 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm

But unemployment is under 7%, we have insurance, and outside of South Carolina (and New Jersey) things are pretty good. In a lot of states they even have, gasp, six lane interstate highways, instead of the standard four in SC.

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GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 3:15 pm

Just goes to show: If you tell a F*#king idiot, that his urine is Kool-aid…that Stupid Some Beech will drink it, and tell you how good it is…

I used to think the media was stupid for peddling the lies for liberals…but there are plenty of Dumb@$$#$ who believe everything their gods feed them…(see Rocky)…

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:44 pm

Just goes to show: If you tell a F*#king idiot, that his urine is Kool-aid…that Stupid Some Beech will drink it, and tell you how good it is…

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so…. how good is it?

GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 5:46 pm

If you’re accusing me of drinking it, you should know. You copy everything I say…because you’re too ignorant to think of anything yourself.

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:55 pm

If you’re accusing me of drinking it,

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How could you know?

AZ WI February 24, 2014 at 11:23 pm

John McCain wants numerous more of these endless wars that Bush and Cheney put us in

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:43 pm

Hey FITS: Who did you, Sanford and Graham “slavishly” support against G. W. Bush in 2000???
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old news.

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Rocky February 24, 2014 at 2:01 pm

John McCain and Lindsey Graham are great Americans, who served together in Vietnam and were cell mates as POWs. They continue to stand up for the principals that make America great. We should all be proud of their efforts to liberate the Iraqis and other repressed people around the globe.

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idiotwind February 24, 2014 at 2:10 pm

graham was born in 1955

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CNSYD February 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm

Buy a dictionary. Principals is not the correct word. It is principles.

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Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 3:42 pm

Long live the Queen’s English! Long live basic English grammar and writing instruction in American education. Oooh, wait a minute. Too late…mostly gone already. Damn these kids can text like mofos, though, LOL, OMG, IMHO. Keep fighting, though.

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:42 pm

We’re going to have to use bilingual signs in America after all.

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Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 10:16 pm

Bilingual, my ass. More like quintilingual (sp?) We need English, Spanish, Ebonics, Trailerparkese, and Text. Oh, and before the obligatory vitriol pops up calling me a “raciss,” Ebonics is spoken by just about as many white ghetto-as punks as black…

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 10:21 pm

We should make a new language. Make it hard enough that only those with an IQ of at least 130 can master it, and make passing a test on it a prerequisite to buying a gun, getting a license or voting.

We should make an amendment to the constitution to that effect.

Ah.. and perfect a genetic test for sociopathy, imprison everyone who tests positive and abort them all at birth.

Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 11:38 pm

Euwe Max for President, 2016. I will head the Redneck Riviera Chapter. Let’s get the forms signed for the PAC now and get started. We’ll do a 527, too. What the Hell.

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 11:50 pm

How will we keep it a secret from the stupid people? Make it into a reality show?

SCBlues February 24, 2014 at 5:19 pm

Graham was a POW? Which war was that?

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 9:16 pm

The war on reason – a little publicized war declared by Republicans.

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Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Come on now…you think a guy saying that McCain and Graham are standing up for school administrators has all of his facts straight, or is even making a serious comment? ;-)

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TontoBubbaGoldstein February 25, 2014 at 8:29 am

Inadvertently stole your joke. Didn’t scroll down far enough……

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SCBlues February 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm

LOL . . you got me on that one.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein February 25, 2014 at 7:09 am

Rocky,
To paraphrase BigT/GrandTango : We should all fellate these two heroes, who have used our gallant troops to fight and die to bring freedom to the countries, where it was in America’s interest to do so, to protect OUR freedoms. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is a DUMB@$$ Liberal-Tarian (who deserves to be bitch slapped), who spends time circle-jerking other Liberals as they pay homage to their god, Obama, who made gas prices spike during the Bush administration.
TBG admires these two for standing for American principals. Cheaper foreign principals are RUINING our public government-run schools!!

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AZ WI February 26, 2014 at 10:07 pm

Proud heck no! For the safety of mankind these two old warmongers should be voted out of office

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CL February 24, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Its hard to know how to respond to this when you do not discuss the elephant – or maybe it would be more apt to say bear – in the room. You make it sound like this is just about Ukraine, but the unrest is obviously as much about Russia as anything else. Ukraine is vitally important in regards to Russia’s efforts to reconstitute its empire, and also to our obligations to the NATO countries. You may believe that Russia is not any of our business and that we should disband NATO. If so, then argue that point rather than trying to cast this solely in terms of “internal strife.”

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idcydm February 24, 2014 at 3:51 pm

Yes, it’s a little deeper than the Ukraine but most people don’t see or think too deep.

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:39 pm

That’s why it’s up to us, because we’re so smart!

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EJB February 24, 2014 at 3:54 pm

McCain has earned much of the criticism he has received but most of the posters here do look at this as solely a Ukrainian problem. It seems most believe that we should just let the Russians do as they wish (behind the scenes as well as in public view) and we, the USA, will not suffer for it, they (the Russians) will just leave us alone. Curiously, that is what many, including Mr. Clinton, thought about Osama bin Laden. Of course everyone had a different point of view after 9/11 but that is what hind sight is for, to see what you should have done, learn from it but do nothing different the next time some international intrigue happens. And now nearly thirteen years after that tragedy we find ourselves ready for he next tragedy. Que sera, sera!

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CL February 24, 2014 at 4:36 pm

” It seems most believe that we should just let the Russians do as they wish (behind the scenes as well as in public view) and we, the USA, will not suffer for it, they (the Russians) will just leave us alone. ”

I can sympathize with that, but I don’t think Russia has any interest in working with us or in leaving us alone. Putin seems to view Russia’s ascension as necessarily being connected with a diminution of US power and influence. China is similar in that regard.

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:41 pm

I can sympathize with that, but I don’t think Russia has any interest in working with us or in leaving us alone.

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That’s what bullets are for.

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Nah February 25, 2014 at 12:03 am

“Curiously, that is what many, including Mr. Clinton, thought about Osama bin Laden.”

lol…you just made the equivocation via a Ukranian civil war with a possible Putin intervention to OBL.

That’s some serious stretching. Not buying it myself, but good ole college try.

One minor note, it was intervention that drove OBL to bomb the towers and then send planes into them, that might be indicative of a response by Putin if we decide to intervene in his affairs as well.

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EJB February 25, 2014 at 7:03 am

I drew no equivocation between Russia/OBL only between US actions/response. We did stick our head in the sand regarding OBL and we will/are sticking our head in the sand with regards to Russia (and China).

As far as “stretching” goes, blaming the US for OBLs actions is one of the biggest stretches there is, go fetch your tin foil hat, you’ll need it.

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Nah February 25, 2014 at 9:03 am

“As far as “stretching” goes, blaming the US for OBLs actions is one of the biggest stretches there is, go fetch your tin foil hat, you’ll need it.”

Typical Neocon trash. I don’t need a tinfoil hat when I can quote OBL himself you moron:

http://technorati.com/politics/article/why-we-fight-letter-from-osama/

Would you like to address any of his points as not being interventionist?

Even if you claim some of his points are bullshit, certainly you can’t claim all of them are(and I’d like to know which points of his you thing are bullshit).

He very clearly says it’s the “intervention”, which is now what your ilk are promoting with Ukraine.

It’s like the reality of Iraq, Afghanistan, & Vietnam are impervious to your thick skull. It’s amazing!

EJB February 25, 2014 at 9:37 am

and jails are full of innocent people.

What do you expect him to say, “I just decided to blow people up, so there.”?

Next you’ll be taking foreign policy cues from Assad or Ahmadinejad.

Nah February 25, 2014 at 9:48 am

That’s right, pretend there’s no substance in his statements, because you have no argument.

It has nothing to do with ‘taking cues’ from anyone, that’s just an attempt to vilify me for pointing out the reality. No argument needed, just demagoguery.

GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 4:07 pm

FITS’ and RonPaul’s predecessors thought Hitler was a nice guy who would just murder a few million Jews, and then go along on his merry way…

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:39 pm

Hitler is old news.

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GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 5:47 pm

“Those ignorant of history”….never mind…

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm

“Those ignorant of history”….never mind…

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The war in Iraq was based on lies.

Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 11:33 pm

Mistakes, not lies. Big difference. Forgive me if I’m a little sensitive, but I was part of some of the mistakes. Saddam was telling even his inner circle that he was getting ready to use his “enormous stockpile” of WMD. We did a really good job of tapping into those coms and turning key human intel; not so good on figuring out that the douche (and his primary accomplice “Chemical Ali”) was even lying to his own commanders and moving old, barely toxic tankers around. I know the “Bush is a murderer” and “Lies” stuff sells really well on the Bill Maher / Cindy Sheehan far-left, but the truth is actually a lot more mundane. Besides, I’ll tell you like I tell the 9/11 Truthers, JFK Grassy-Knollers, and the no-Moon shot people: the federal gov’t I worked for simply wasn’t (and isn’t) capable of keeping a secret that big for more than a few months. Ask Snowden. Sorry, I had to chime in. That shit wears me out sometimes. Namaste…

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Mistakes, not lies. Big difference. Forgive me if I’m a little sensitive

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Lies. It may be a mistake to believe them, but the mistakes were based on lies, therefore the war was based on lies.

We can debate whether the mistakes were benign, or well intentioned, or crypto-mistakes at the highest levels, but at the base level, they were lies. Deliberate, fabricated lies.

CL February 25, 2014 at 8:43 am

The Niger/Italian thing does nothing to show Bush lied.* The Italian document was forged by an Italian, unless you think the NYT is lying about that to protect the Bush administration. I guess you could claim the paper is being misled, but that would violate the liberal standard on Iraq where anything that is incorrect is tantamount to a lie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/04/international/europe/04italy.html?_r=0

Especially when you make the same leap in logic on curveball. Unless you can show Powell knew that the information from curveball was false at the time and then repeated it, it simply is not a lie. A shoddy way to make a case for war, I’ll grant you. But it is not a lie.

* What Bush actually said about yellow cake and Niger was:”The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The British did share with the US a report that made that assertion, without any reliance on forged Italian documents (see link below). I have no problem if you want to criticize Bush for relying on the intelligence of others, as the qualification “the British government” implies Bush was not confident making that statement based upon our own intel. But quit pretending it is a lie.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/07/case_closed.html

euwe max February 25, 2014 at 10:00 am

The Niger/Italian thing does nothing to show Bush lied.

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Look, genius, I didn’t say Bush lied.

Read what I write, not what you think I wrote.

CL February 25, 2014 at 11:42 am

The Italian forgery is treated as evidence by the Left that Bush lied in his State of the Union. Glad you don’t disagree with me that this is BS, but it is odd that you cited it to no purpose in this discussion of whether the administration lied to build its case for the Iraq War.

euwe max February 25, 2014 at 1:23 pm

Like I said, the reason you don’t “get it” is because it’s *about* intelligence.

euwe max February 25, 2014 at 1:44 pm

* What Bush actually said about yellow cake and Niger was:”The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The British did share with the US a report that made that assertion, without any reliance on forged Italian documents (see link below). I have no problem if you want to criticize Bush for relying on the intelligence of others, as the qualification “the British government” implies Bush was not confident making that statement based upon our own intel.

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You missed something, Sherlock. The director of the CIA told the administration 3 months before the SOTU address to remove it from the Cincinnati speech because it was unfounded. Condi said “everyone forgot.”

You don’t read for comprehension, do you?

CL February 25, 2014 at 2:52 pm

One of us does, but I think it is you rather than me. I said our own service did not have intel to support the statement (which is why the CIA wanted it removed). It was a weaselly thing to use British intelligence for cover. But that does not make it a lie. the British were reporting that and disagreed with the CIA on that point. Chris Hitchens argued to the end that Iraq was trying to acquire yellow cake for the reasons set forth in the article I linked.

“You don’t read for comprehension, do you?”

Says the guy that interpreted something I said in defense of Jewish people as an apology for Nazis. Although, to be fair, I am open to the idea that that was just willful dishonesty on your part rather than stupidity.

euwe max February 26, 2014 at 2:57 am

It was a weaselly thing to use British intelligence for cover. But that does not make it a lie.

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It was *based* on a lie. Are you insane? The forgery was a lie. The British information was based on the forgery. The director of the CIA knew that, and told the administration that it was based on a forgery 3 months before the SOTU address. Condi said she and everyone else “forgot.”

Sheesh!

CL February 26, 2014 at 6:48 am

False. The italian forgery was AFTER the British report and may have been generated to discredit the British report, as noted in the Hitchens article I linked which you either ignored or can’t comprehend.

euwe max February 26, 2014 at 9:45 am

DR. RICE: The president quoted a British paper. We did not know at the time, no one knew at the time in our circles—maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency, but no one in our circles knew—that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course, it was information that was mistaken.

MR. RUSSERT: “No one in our circles.” That has proven to be wrong.

DR. RICE: No, Tim, that has not proven to be wrong. No one did know that they were forgeries. The notion of the forgeries came in February or in March when this was—when this came to the CIA. It is true that we learned, subsequent to my comments to you, that Director Tenet did not want to stand by that statement. And I would never want to see anything in a presidential statement—speech—that the director of Central Intelligence did not want to have there.

And I’m the national security adviser. When something like this happens, I feel personally responsible for it happening because it obscured the fact that the president of the United States did not go to war over whether Saddam Hussein tried to acquire yellow cake in Africa. He went to war over a threat from a bloody tyrant in the most volatile region of the world who had used weapons of mass destruction before, and was continuing to try to acquire them. And so, of course, this should not have happened.

DR. RICE: in October for the Cincinnati speech, not for the State of the Union, but the Cincinnati speech, George Tenet asked that this be taken out of the Cincinnati speech, the reference to yellow cake. It was taken out of the Cincinnati speech because whenever the director of Central Intelligence wants something out, it’s gone.

MR. RUSSERT: How’d it get back in?

DR. RICE: It’s not a matter of getting back in. It’s a matter, Tim, that three-plus months later, people didn’t remember that George Tenet had asked that it be taken out of the Cincinnati speech and then it was cleared by the agency. I didn’t remember. Steve Hadley didn’t remember. We are trying to put now in place methods so you don’t have to be dependent on people’s memories for something like that.

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This shows that the forgeries existed, and they claimed they didn’t know that they existed – and they forgot that the CIA director told them the information was unreliable.

CL February 26, 2014 at 10:35 am

The forgeries existed AFTER the British report and may have been forged to undermine the British report. As Hitchens noted, 2 different inquiries in Britain found the forgery to be irrelevant to the validity of the report. So the forgeries simply are not a smoking gun to negate the British report.

Why not criticize the administration for not being forthcoming in building its case for war rather than waging this ridiculous assault on the English language by trying to make something a lie that simply was not?

euwe max February 26, 2014 at 12:23 pm

You aren’t arguing with me, you’re arguing with Condi.

EJB February 25, 2014 at 7:06 am

Actually in the treaty that Hussein signed at the close of Gulf I he acknowledged stockpiles of nerve agents and other weapons, including research into nuclear weapons.

I'm a moron February 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

You’ve found the missing WMD!

EJB February 25, 2014 at 9:39 am

He moved them as the pressure mounted but they were in Iraq at the close of Gulf I. That was the main impetus for invading Iraq was that they kicked the weapons inspectors out and stopped letting them verify destruction of the know WMDs.

euwe max February 25, 2014 at 10:09 am

There weren’t any WMD.

AZ WI February 25, 2014 at 10:33 pm

McCain=Hitler

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euwe max February 26, 2014 at 2:58 am

oh.. reincarnation. my bad.

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Its hard to know how to respond to this when you do not discuss the elephant

Bachmann was selected by House Speaker John Boehner for a position “on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, giving her a new role as overseer of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community.”

Our “intelligence” was at the source of the invasion of Iraq based on lies.

We narrowly avoided becoming a dead beat nation at the hands of some of our more “mature” international nation builders.

It’s only appropriate that we continue the pattern of using the military to back up our idiocy abroad that we created at home.

Could there *be* a more intelligent way to use tax revenue?

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CL February 25, 2014 at 8:23 am

Don’t really see what Iraq has to do with the discussion (are you really questioning whether Russia’s meddling is the source of the unrest in Ukraine?) or what Bachmann has to do with Iraq (she was not even in Congress when we invaded).

I was not in favor of the Iraq War*, but it is amazing how liberals never seem to be able to identify any statements about WMD that the speaker knew to be false at the time they were made. Instead you just fudge the definition (a habit for you) and declare any incorrect intelligence to be a lie. I guess I can see how it might be comforting in a weird way to believe our leaders and intelligence services are evil rather than just incompetent, but it does not change the reality of the situation.

*If we were going to risk blood and treasure, why not address a real existential threat like Iran? After 9/11, any list of state sponsors of terror would have begun with Iran. But Bush chose Iraq because he thought it was an easier target than Iran (we were still technically at war with them, UN mandates were already in place, etc.), but that is not really a good reason to invade a country. Now, once we chose the battlefield and Al Qaeda entered the fray, we should have done everything we could to win

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euwe max February 25, 2014 at 10:05 am

Don’t really see what Iraq has to do with the discussion

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That’s because it’s intelligence.

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NATO for dummies February 24, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Let’s start the discussion with which wars we can afford!

After that, you can tell us how a re-unified Soviet Union will differ from the previous outcome and specifically what goals it will achieve that harm the United States.

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EJB February 25, 2014 at 7:07 am

If you don’t see the damage happening there is nothing anyone can show you that will convince you.

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NATO for dummies February 25, 2014 at 9:06 am

You are truly a moron. I never said I don’t see the damage. I’m simply making the case that more intervention will not solve the problem and most likely involve us in yet another war we can’t afford.

It’s unbelievable that anyone would argue against this line of reasoning in the context of the last 13 years.

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EJB February 25, 2014 at 9:43 am

Didn’t mean to imply you were a moron. There are people, good, well meaning people, that don’t recognize the hazards and I assumed you were one of those. You can’t give those kind of people enough evidence, they will deny even to the point of providing plausible explanations of the bullets flying around their heads.

CL February 25, 2014 at 8:08 am

We achieved the outcome you reference through aggressive resistance to Soviet expansionist goals. So that is not exactly a good example for the isolationist crowd.

I am not at all committed to the idea of military intervention, but the argument about how the US should respond needs to be made honestly in regards to Russia, with a full assessment of the costs and benefits of getting involved, rather than by kidding ourselves that this is just some internal strife in Ukraine.

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NATO for dummies February 25, 2014 at 9:07 am

“rather than by kidding ourselves that this is just some internal strife in Ukraine.”

I don’t know who’s doing the above, but the argument against I just made below. Feel free to respond to it.

“I am not at all committed to the idea of military intervention”

So what is your strategy that being the case? Telling Putin “knock it off” and hope he listens?

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CL February 25, 2014 at 11:39 am

“I don’t know who’s doing the above, but the argument against I just made below. Feel free to respond to it.”

FITS is the one calling it internal strife in the original article, which I disputed in my comment. You then decided to reply to my comment.

And I did address your argument that a reunified USSR would likely suffer the same fate as its predecessor. I noted that the fall of the USSR was brought about by a very aggressive US response.

“So what is your strategy that being the case? Telling Putin ‘knock it off’ and hope he listens?”

For starters, I would fund the opposition in Ukraine against the Putin allies. To go back to the fall of the USSR, that happened without us invading Russia.

NATO for dummies February 25, 2014 at 1:55 pm

“For starters, I would fund the opposition in Ukraine against the Putin allies. To go back to the fall of the USSR, that happened without us invading Russia.”

I’m glad you clarified. I believe you would make matters worse, aside from the actual moral issue of taking tax money from poor people in the US and giving it to rebels, dictators, or otherwise in countries halfway around the world.

Your argument isn’t very compelling, but you’r entitled to it.

CL February 25, 2014 at 2:19 pm

I don’t find your isolationism very persuasive. For better or worse, our country’s interests are global. I am not advocating giving any money to a dictator. I am advocating supporting a movement trying to stop a dictator from taking over their country (again). The important point is not that they are rebels, but what they are rebelling against.

NATO for dummies February 25, 2014 at 9:14 pm

” I am not advocating giving any money to a dictator. I am advocating
supporting a movement trying to stop a dictator from taking over their
country (again).”

Look at all the money the US put into Egypt(both the old and “new” admins). Where did it all go? It was a total waste.

The simple fact is that you are suggesting we poor money into factions we know nothing about and with no guarantees regardless of the fact that we are taking money out of the hands of our own people to do it. It’s madness.

CL February 26, 2014 at 10:29 am

Our support for Mubarak kept Egypt on Israel’s side in conflicts with the Palestinians. He also tried to control Islamic radicals in check. It only went to waste when Obama cut him loose and implicitly sided with the Muslim Brotherhood. The worst thing you can do in foreign policy is to prompt the “with friends like that…” line of thinking.

I believe it is madness to stick our heads in the sand and ignore the potential reconstitution on one of the most evil states the world has ever known.

Centrist View February 24, 2014 at 3:02 pm

With the Ukrainians pulling down statues of Lenin, and their pro-Russia President vacating office, it seems that they are sorting out their own affairs.

Lenin Statues Toppled Across Ukraine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLZ7pWtyLCY

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CorruptionInColumbia February 24, 2014 at 3:36 pm

McCain and Graham are treasonous pieces of McShit who have nothing but love for illegal invaders of the United States and foreign dictators who at best are ambiguous in their feelings and intent for our country, while having nothing but contempt for American taxpayers and citizens.

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GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 4:05 pm

Like it or not: McCain is a liberal-tarian. He is called a maverick, moderate…but those are just other names for libertarian.

And Obama has so damaged the democrat brand…the only way the left can maintain its power is by dividing the GOP, separating the hero Conservatives, like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, from the establishment libertarians, like Graham, Christie, McCain, Boehner and McConnell.

Don’t let the media (FITS included) make a fool of you…

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CorruptionInColumbia February 24, 2014 at 4:11 pm

Libertarians embrace liberty, freedom, and the United States Constitution. Neither McCain nor Grahamnasty, fit that description. They are about enslaving us to the NWO and the military industrial complex for their own personal greater good.

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GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 4:41 pm

No: Libertarians, or liberal-tarians, think anyone should have the right to go anywhere in the world they want. They do not think America has a right to control its borders. They won’t tell you that, because it could hurt them politically…but it is what libertarians believe.
Liberal-tairans also don’t like authority, because they want to do as they please. No advanced society can be great, w/o some sore of authority, based on morality and good people willing to back it up…
The M.I.C. is just an invention of people who want to be lawless and immoral..to take freedom from others…

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Watching a Republican Lie February 24, 2014 at 6:08 pm

A bald faced,unmitigated LIE.

GrandTango February 24, 2014 at 6:12 pm

No…it’s called SLAPPING the P!$$ out of you w/ the truth….

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 8:01 pm

No…it’s called SLAPPING the P!$$ out of you w/ the truth….

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Is this another metaphor? Or are you physically slapping the piss out of him? Could you explain this in more detail? The exact mechanism by which this takes place is difficult for me to see.. It seems to me that he still has all the piss he had to begin with. What did you do with it?

You didn’t *drink* it, did you?

CorruptionInColumbia February 24, 2014 at 6:37 pm

Well look at the “authority” this country has been under for the last twentysomething years and tell me they might not be right to resent it. It has been abused and misused in just about any and every way one can imagine. Where are those “morally good people” who can handle the power and authority? They sure as hell aren’t to be found in the Republican or Democrat parties in sufficient numbers to make much of a difference.

The MIC was invented (or at least perpetuated) by people like McCain and Graham, who get their pockets generously lined for their continuous efforts in its behalf.

America’s military has kept us free (excepting its actions from 1860-1865 and a considerably larger period if you are Native American) for many, many, years. Increasingly, since WWII, it seems to be less about freedom and more about protecting and expanding political and corporate interests, rather than protecting our nation. This is in no way intended as a disparagement of brave and honorable men and women who have served, risking and often losing life, limb, and more while doing what they believed was for the best interests of their country. Any disparagement goes where it rightfully belongs, into the laps of the politicians and corporate greed mongers who actually benefited personally from these conflicts. In the future, it would be hoped that given the direction things have been moving in for far too long, that young people who consider enlisting will give a lot of thought as to what their real role may be and who they are really protecting before signing up.

CNSYD February 24, 2014 at 8:10 pm

Speaking of documentation, you continually allege that certain politicians, e.g. McCain and Graham, have personally profited from the MIC. I presume you have proof to back up your allegations.

CorruptionInColumbia February 24, 2014 at 8:31 pm

A windstorm blows down trees and damages power lines and structures. I couldn’t see the wind, but have a reasonable clue that the wind is what did it.

CNSYD February 24, 2014 at 10:15 pm

and this is your “proof” that McCain and/or Graham personally profited from the MIC? To use your analogy, where are their blown down trees and damaged power lines?

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 7:58 pm

.but liberal-tarians will pollute the Tea Party (they already are) because they are corrupt…

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The tea party is corrupt? I hope you can document that with solid evidence! I was under the impression they were simply ignorant and mean-spirited.

Nah February 25, 2014 at 12:07 am

You left out ‘selfish’.

euwe max February 25, 2014 at 12:10 am

I usually leave out the obvious when talking about Republicans. It saves storage space on the server.

TontoBubbaGoldstein February 25, 2014 at 8:33 am

The M.I.C. is just an invention of people who want to be lawless and immoral..

DDE = Immoral, Freaky, Hippy Libertine

Gotcha.

euwe max February 24, 2014 at 7:58 pm

Don’t let the media (FITS included) make a fool of you…

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You preempted them! Good going!

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9" February 24, 2014 at 4:56 pm

McCain is one hot,hairy,Silverdaddy(his finger is turgid).How much you wanna bet,Lindsey concurs,and has had plenty ‘O’ that?

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 7:57 pm

McCain is a silverback Republican.

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Mike at the Beach February 24, 2014 at 10:17 pm

Ewwwwwwwww…

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Ha Ha February 24, 2014 at 5:35 pm

And meanwhile OMB reports that the US defense budget is more than China, Russia, Britain,France, Germany, India, Saudi Arabia, Italy and Brazils combined.

And we are concerned about government spending?

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euwe max February 24, 2014 at 7:57 pm

We need a strong military so we can keep showing our ass to the world.

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Nah February 25, 2014 at 12:06 am

Yes!

I know it’s not patriotic to leave other nations alone and that we know best, but why not take a break after all our good works? Let’s call it a Sunday!

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euwe max February 25, 2014 at 12:08 am

Israel has it right – you’re never *done* until you’ve killed everyone that hates you.

That highlights how important it is to get people to hate you…. because they’re all living on land that’s rightfully yours anyway!

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AZ WI February 24, 2014 at 11:19 pm

John McCain knows absolutely nothing on foreign affairs or the military!! All McCain really is, is a war crazy warmongering war nut that the Defense & Oil Industries own. John McCain just can not get over the fact, That the American people very soundly and overwhelmingly rejected him and his outdated out of touch warmongering views for the presidency twice. Since McCain became a bitter jealous frustrated dangerous old madman!

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west_rhino February 25, 2014 at 10:21 am

“faulty WMD evidence” ya mean the goods in Assad’s hands at the moment?

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dad22 March 4, 2014 at 1:38 am

Saddams chemical weapons had long passed their shelf life years before we invaded, if they are in Assad’s hands, no big deal. They are barely weapons and certainly will not cause mass destruction.

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AZ WI February 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm

John McCain should be charged as a international terrorist for his worldwide warmongering tour, All McCain is trying to do is insight numerous wars, bombings, invasions, and killings.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/mccain-supports-radical-muslims-in-kosovo/

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/30496848783

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euwe max February 26, 2014 at 3:18 am

Gohmert thinks McCain is a terrorist.

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euwe max February 26, 2014 at 3:18 am

Do you think Bush sent Israel some nuclear bunker busters before he left office?

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