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Obamatrade: Moment Of Truth

WHO WILL STAND AGAINST CRONY CAPITALIST TRADE DEAL? || By FITSNEWS || This week marks the moment of truth for U.S. president Barack Obama‘s crony capitalist trade push – “Obamatrade.” Over the last six months, this website has written exhaustively on this issue – debunking the idea that Obama’s secretive…

WHO WILL STAND AGAINST CRONY CAPITALIST TRADE DEAL?

|| By FITSNEWS || This week marks the moment of truth for U.S. president Barack Obama‘s crony capitalist trade push – “Obamatrade.”

Over the last six months, this website has written exhaustively on this issue – debunking the idea that Obama’s secretive Pacific Rim pact is “free trade.”  It isn’t.  We’ve also written extensively on how the deal is bad for the national economy and for the economy here in South Carolina.

The bottom line on this deal is simple: Any lawmaker who votes to advance this dangerous deal is selling out American workers and consumers to benefit wealthy Wall Streeters and Hollywood liberals.  They’re also participating in a fundamental usurpation of democracy – with all sorts of pernicious consequences to follow.

This week, Obamatrade nearly died on a procedural vote when thirty-four GOP lawmakers sided with overwhelming majority of Democrats (yes, Obama’s own party is opposing him on this deal) – and rebuked their liberal leader, “Republican” John Boehner.

“Americans should be proud that thirty-four Republicans put their country before their political party,” said Rick Manning of Americans for Limited Government (ALG), the group which has been leading the fight against this monstrosity.

Manning added Obamatrade would have been killed outright “if Boehner had not succeeded in lobbying eight Democrats to pull his bacon out of the fire.”

For those of you keeping score in the Palmetto State, standing against Obamatrade on the procedural vote were U.S. Reps. Jeff Duncan and Mick Mulvaney.  Supporting it were U.S. Reps.  Tom Rice, Mark Sanford and Joe Wilson.

Trey Gowdy was listed as “not voting.”

So … what happens next?  Well, the procedural hurdle was clearer by an incredibly narrow margin – 217-212.  That means the fight over Obamatrade now moves toward approval of a “trade adjustment assistance” (TAA) provision favored by Democrats.

The TAA is a tax hike – pure and simple.  It’s a bailout for Big Labor.  Basically, it would create a costly new government program aimed at helping American workers who lose their jobs as a result of Obamatrade’s passage (which if you think about it ought to tell you everything you need to know about this deal).

That’s right: The only way Obama can pass his trade deal is if Congress supports a tax hike to pay for all the jobs it would cost the country.

And this is what “conservative” U.S. Reps. Rice, Sanford and Wilson voted to move forward this week …

Anyway, if the vote on TAA fails then Obamatrade is likely dead in the water (which is why we are calling on every member of South Carolina’s congressional delegation to oppose this tax hike).

If that vote succeeds, however, lawmakers would vote on the first critical step in Obamatrade’s passage – so-called “trade promotion authority” (a.k.a. TPA, or “fast track”).  Passage of this measure would enable Obama to continue negotiating the trade deal in secret – forbidding Congress from debating it, amending it or overseeing it once it’s been approved.

This vote is where the rubber will meet the road on Obamatrade – and where South Carolina’s “conservative” lawmakers will either stand for you or stand for Washington.

Because there will be no TPA vote without the approval of TAA, it  means GOP lawmakers “will have to vote for a union bailout that increases taxes to pay for it, in order to vote on fast-tracking treaties for a president they neither like nor trust,” according to Manning.

“A pretty ugly scenario,” he said.

Indeed.  Any “Republican” who votes for a measure like that should lose their job.

Stay tuned to FITS: Unlike the state’s liberal mainstream media, we will be bringing you coverage of exactly how each member of the South Carolina delegation votes on both TAA and TPA.  And make no mistake, these votes will loom large when each of these lawmakers faces reelection in 2016 …

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142 comments

BoehnerTrade/McConnellTrade June 12, 2015 at 8:35 am

He still calls it ObamaTrade to protect the Republicans from owning this, still using his “Republican” meme, even though it is going to take a Republican House and Senate to pass. Nice devotion to shielding the GOP.

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festus June 12, 2015 at 8:38 am

Excellent point.John is a nice guy.Not a good leader.

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festus jr. June 12, 2015 at 8:39 am

The Obama administration has fooled, failed, and deceived the American people for far too long, and Republicans needs to wake-up to this classic game of bait-and-switch before it’s too late. From ObamaCare and immigration to Iranian negotiations, new gun mandates, and runaway government czars, President Obama simply cannot be trusted to protect America’s workers.

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Festus Gonna Molest Us June 12, 2015 at 8:40 am

I don’t think we should be listening to a pedophile defender and online stalker like you.

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FastEddy23 June 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm

Better him than the “progressive” Fascist bunko takeover artists like you Helots.

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festus jr. June 13, 2015 at 6:52 am

Thanks FastEddy23. These progressive “Facist bunko artists” listen to Obama tell them how bad America is and then act out in a violent way.The bombing of the Dallas PD is just another example.Read their comments on Fits.They are dangerous.

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FastEddy23 June 15, 2015 at 1:54 pm

I don’t know about that. It appears that The Dallas Screw Loose had other issues than just the Dallas authorities.

“Free Timothy McVay!” … T-shirts for sale online.

FastEddy23 June 12, 2015 at 2:32 pm

“… cannot be trusted to protect …” Veterans, small businesses or the poor either.

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idcydm June 12, 2015 at 9:25 am

I like the idea of Obamatrade, just don’t think we can get much for him.

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Quietus June 12, 2015 at 9:48 am

+5

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Quietus June 12, 2015 at 10:28 am

Can we trade him, Hillary, Kerry, Biden, Bohner, McConnel, and Haley to Russia for Snowden?

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idcydm June 12, 2015 at 10:49 am

I wouldn’t even trade Obama for Snowden, to my mind Snowden like Bergdahl is a traitor. Patriots don’t run and hide in foreign countries.

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You Know My Name June 12, 2015 at 11:57 am

They do when a corrupt government and President want their head on a stick for exposing the evil tbey do.

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Squishy123 June 12, 2015 at 12:52 pm

They do when the alternative is rotting in a federal prison or likely mysterious death for uncovering and publicizing government illegal activity.

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idcydm June 12, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Really, who are they?

FastEddy23 June 12, 2015 at 2:36 pm

Just like some who dodged the draft and went to Canada in the ’60’s and ’70’s.

RogueElephant June 13, 2015 at 9:57 am

No. Those were all cowards. They should never have been let return to the USA. If you aren;’t willing to fight for it you shouldn’t be able to partake of the bennies.

FastEddy23 June 15, 2015 at 1:59 pm

I resemble that remark. Yes, there are a great many things about My Country, The U.S.A., that I would fight for, but the military draft is not very high up on My List.

I whole heartedly agree that any and all benefits derived from government should have strings attached … like workfare, unemployment insurance, food stamps and rent subsidies … operative words like “gainful employment” and “tax paying” come to mind.

“I will gladly help the helpless, but I refuse to help the clueless.”

erneba June 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm

When the aliens eventually take over the planet, they will not not have to go probing up the asses of people like Hillary, Kerry, Biden, Bohner, McConnel, and Haley to find out what kind of people they are. What they are is self-evident, they will go straight to the “recycle pile.”

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9" June 12, 2015 at 9:26 am

Taylor should have included,’crony capitalist’ in her drinking game…

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The Colonel June 12, 2015 at 11:09 am

And ‘Hollywood liberal’..

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:43 am

Trey Gowdy was on the Vince Coakley show on WORD 106.3 yesterday and stated he is for TPA and undecided on TPP.
Other than Fits getting the votes right, everything that fits said was true is actually false and everything that fits said was false is actually true.
TPA will pass and that is good news, especially for South Carolina.

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legalcat June 12, 2015 at 10:05 am

http://netrightdaily.com/2015/04/14-things-you-have-to-know-about-fast-track/#ixzz3cnXTFfSG

TPA/TPP is NOT about trade. Take the time to read what Julian Assange has leaked, read Senator Sessions “Critical Alerts” & all will see that this deal has created economic nationalism and surrendered U.S. sovereignty.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:25 am

The sovereignty over what you buy and sell belongs not to the US government, but to the individual. Just like the government does not have sovereignty over free speech, it should not have sovereignty over what you buy and sell.

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The Colonel June 12, 2015 at 11:10 am

But the limitations on what you can buy and sell are directly related to ‘trade deals’ like this one.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 11:55 am

Yes, but the new deals reduce current restrictions. It’s not free trade, but it is freer trade. That may be the best that the current Congress can achieve. With a Republican congress and a supportive Democratic President, this might be the best opportunity to pass freer trade pacts in a long time.

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The Colonel June 12, 2015 at 12:49 pm

My problem with it at this point is the non ‘trade’ stuff sick in it.

Andy Martin June 12, 2015 at 9:58 pm

@Bible Thumper: You misunderstand the definition of “sovereignty” in legalcat’s post. The sovereignty of the United States over it’s own country, not given to foreign nations. How we run our Country and decide what our laws and rights should be is our right and ours alone. Obamatrade gives foreign nations authority over us! THIS is what Obamatrade ultimately does. Are you still for passing it???

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:56 pm

The US is 4.43% of the world’s population and it’s proportion is declining. America will continue to grow, but undeveloped countries will be able to maintain a higher growth rates. If you google “center of world population, you will find that Asia is the center and South America is furthest from it and North America is next. The average American lives 10,000 miles mean distance from the world’s population. Chinese citizens live only 5,000 miles mean distance from the world’s population. We live geographically in the boondocks. BMW Spartanburg is the only plant in the world that builds those vehicle models. 70% of it’s production is exported outside North America. That is globalism. There will never be any high tech or high capital factories built in the USA unless over 50% of its production is exported outside North America. Eight of the last ten North American auto assembly plants announced since the beginning of the Twentieth century are to be built in Mexico. Mexico has no tariffs against its import to the US or the European Union. EU tariffs on US autos are 10%. Yes, maybe some current jobs will be protected temporarily if the trade deals are regected, but future investment in new industry will decline. While the rest of the world builds factories that can complete all over the world, we will be protecting weak, ageing plants that can barely profit from the limited North American market.

If you want to sell an auto in the EU, Then the EU exercises sovereignty over us with a 10% tax on the transaction. If our government wants to make an agreement with other countries to eliminate those tariffs, it’sour sovereign right to do so. And it maintains sovereignty, because at any future date it can end that agreement or renegotiate it. There are mechanisms to settle disputes, but the government can withdraw whenever it chooses. The United Kingdom is going to vote on whether to leave the European Union. That is both an economic and political union. TPP is only a trade agreement. TPP abrogates current restrictions on our trade that were unilaterally imposed on us by foreign governments without our agreement. TPP create a mutually agreed trade policy. It protects American trademarks, copyrights and patents in foreign countries. It also protects foreign investments.

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festus June 13, 2015 at 6:45 am

BT is the blog “Progressive Christian Socialist”.

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TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:27 am

So I’m curious, did the government release the bill or did they only do so after Wikileaks did?

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:32 am

Less sovereignty means less government.

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MashPotato June 12, 2015 at 3:41 pm

Incorrect. If the US gives up its sovereignty, who gets it? What if the UN gets it? Then, an organization has control over the US that is less accountable and offers less representation than the USG.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm

If citizens get to purchase and sell legal goods from more people and to more people with fewer restrictions, then the people gain more freedom and personal sovereignty.

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MashPotato June 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm

I agree, but Obamatrade is about corporations, not people. Care to read a little more instead of blindly supporting the president?

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 4:03 pm

TPP and TIPP will not be available to read until 60 days before the votes. I am familiar with current trade laws. Most of our clothing is imported yet we pay a +50% tariff. BMW vehicles from Spartanburg are charged a 10% tariff by the EU. These models are not built anywhere else in the world.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 7:33 pm

According to “Citizens United”, corporations are people.

You Know My Name June 12, 2015 at 4:14 pm

As usual, MashPotato, you get the idea(s) regarding this or whatever topic! Scum sucking “Republicans” are selling this country out to the NWO at a faster pace than even the Democrats. They’ve either been threatened, bribed, or both into supporting any and every thing that will be harmful to us and our country. Damn fools such as those here in Lexington will continue to vote Joe Wilson and his Lexington Ring buds, or their proxies, in any time they run for office. It seems to be the same everywhere else, too. No one bothers to look at what these trators actually have done and are doing to our country.

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shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 7:13 pm

I’ve got definite ideas about who should or should NOT be a member of the UN — I’ll have to gather all of my info for later…

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MashPotato June 12, 2015 at 7:20 pm

I’m excited to hear about it. I think Al Gore should be a member- maybe they can cap his fossil fuel consumption.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:08 am

So I haven’t really been following things, are there now circulating full texts of the bill(s)?

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American Illiteracy June 12, 2015 at 10:12 am

That’s a joke right? Congress doesn’t read these bills, why would they want us to?

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TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:21 am

Just wanted to confirm it…thank you.

“We have to pass it to know what’s in it” yada yada yada

More of the same. The government truly shits on us every way imaginable.

I can’t wait to hear another argument from the resident GOP statist Bible Thumper/Flanders about how a trade bill few have actually read is “good for us.”

Maybe he’ll let me play kazoo in accompaniment while he bangs out his next argument.

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Nölff June 12, 2015 at 10:14 am

No. They won’t release it… until after.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:29 am Reply
Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:22 am

TPA is available. TPP will be available 60 days before a vote is held.

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TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:23 am

According to American Illiteracy below it’s not. Are you sure of it? I’m feeling a bit lazy.

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TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:31 am

Impressive. It’s 118 pages to establish “free trade”. Who knew free trade was so complicated?

Thank you for the link. According to govtrack it’s got an 83% chance of passage.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:34 am

Yes but read our current trade laws. One document replaces 11 current documents with each of the current members of TPP.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:38 am

As I’m skimming I’m seeing that “free trade” includes agreements on subsidies, anti-dumping, & core labor standards that includes forbidding child labor. I wonder how kids working in sweat shops to feed themselves over in India feel about that?

lol….I’m going to skim some more to understand what “free trade” means.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:45 am

India is not currently in TPP, but Burma and Vietnam are. I believe the trade deal regulations only effect exports. So, unfortunately child labor will continue for domestic goods.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:46 am

“So, unfortunately child labor will continue for domestic goods.”

Unfortunate for who? I think the kid working in a sweat shop so he can pay for food probably likes it better than the alternative.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 10:49 am

My father used me for child labor. Didn’t hurt me. But child labor in dangerous industries that separate children from families and keep them out of school is bad.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 10:53 am

It’s all about what options there are for a child. You had more opportunity, even back then, than a kid in a third world country working in a sweat shop.

If you didn’t work, you might have upset your Dad and received a spanking depending on how he raised you..the kid in the third world country gets to starve/roam trash piles.

Now all that being said, having finished a very cursory skim of the bill…it’s not as bad as I would have thought. Don’t consider that an endorsement…just a “glass half full” viewpoint.

I have no idea what the stuff it supersedes looks like or if in the net it’s truly more “freer” trade or not.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 11:14 am

We can’t expect third world countries to meet first world labor standards without a transitional development period. Even the US went though it in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 11:17 am

I agree. Which is why said restrictions shouldn’t be in this trade bill.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 11:21 am

That’s why you’re correct in calling it freer trade and not free trade, but perhaps this is the best bill that can pass at this time.

TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 11:36 am

I actually said I don’t know if it’s “freer” trader or not.

:)

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 11:49 am

It’s hard to get trade and tarriff data, but the US only collects about $30 billion in tariffs. That is only 1% of total federal revenue. Over 50% of the collections are for clothing. Another large portion is for table ware. There are some retaliatory tarriffs that effectively prevent the import of some goods.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:54 pm

Mortality rate, infant (per 1,000 live births)
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India
2010 46
2011 45
2012 43
2013 41

REALLY! do we think we can have an influence on furrin’ cuntries, just by appealing to greed?

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 8:00 pm

The infant mortality rate among greedy people is 6.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:03 pm

How can you tell who the greedy ones are?

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 8:04 pm

The infant mortality rate is a good guide.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:13 pm

So if I die because of filthy living conditions, I’m one of the lucky ones! God loves a cheerful giver! Woo hoo!

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm

Greed, Crony Capitalist, Globalist, Bible Thumper;

These terms are over used. Most people try to get ahead by producing something of value to the rest of society. Government is there to referee hopefully. Not always the case, but that is the best situation.
Venezuela is an example of the failure, oppression and violence that comes from misguided good intentions. Power corrupts. Free markets diffuses power and keeps the powerful responsive to people’s needs.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Most people try to get ahead by producing something of value to the rest of society.

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“Most people” is misleading, now isn’t it? :)

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 8:45 pm

Some try to get ahead by extracting value from others without properly rewarding them or making there own contribution. That happens everywhere. It’s more prevalent when government societal institutions are weak or corrupt. You must admit the Bolivarian Republics intentions were good?

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:51 pm

Jesus had good intentions too, but look what happened to *him*!

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm

Acts 20:35 And2 remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

It is obvious that those in a position to give are better off. What is not as apparent is the nearsightedness if selfishness. The widow’s mite is rewarded in the afterlife. The only requirement is that it was voluntarily given out of your own possessions. If given out of others possessions there is no blessing and the recipient is not grateful.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 9:19 pm

That’s what a representative democracy is – the right of a civilization to pool its resources as a group, lead by the majority, not its wealthiest members.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:30 pm

In representative democracy, the majority can compel the minority. That’s ok if the rights of the minority are protected. It may be a beneficial policy. But don’t call it Biblical giving. There are no blessing for the giver or the recipient. Too often it encourages resentment, entitlement and dependency. Entitlement may not seem so bad, but if it is unfounded and unearned, it erodes a person’s character.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 10:20 pm

In representative democracy, the majority can compel the minority. That’s Ok if the rights of the minority is protected.

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the majority not only “can” compel the minority, it is a fundamental *requirement*.of a representative democracy.

As for biblical giving, I will once again refresh your memory about what “voluntary” means in the context of the individual, and in the context of the nation.

For the individual
Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me. And the king will answer and say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it to me.

Matthew 18:21-35
Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Not voluntary.

For the nation:

Matthew 25:31-46 King James Version (KJV)

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Not voluntary

The will of the majority represents the nation under God. If the people of the nation choose to implement laws that pool some of its resources in order to provide as Jesus intended – being generous towards its lowest members, and providing as he has provided, then they shall be blessed with bounty – we will be known as a Christian nation now, and the legacy of our work will be something that will not rot, and cannot be destroyed.

Rather than leaving the visage of cold command etched in faces of stone, broken and eroding in the desert – we shall be the sons and daughters of a greater good… human in the highest sense, and a light to all who hear of it.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:49 pm

It’s all about what options there are for a child.

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My pappy always said, “when you’re up to your neck in shit, and someone starts throwing baseballs at your head – duck!”

Sometimes you have choices you didn’t realize you had until conservatives present them to you.

TroubleBaby June 13, 2015 at 9:25 pm

Who are you calling conservative?

So what’s your plan for 3rd world countries? When you strip the child sweat shop worker of his job, what’s your plan to feed him?

Are you going to hop on a plane and go over there and do it?

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:47 pm

The part I like about child labor is the chicken industry – the rivers of chicken shit aren’t nearly as toxic as leaking nuclear reactors.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 7:51 pm

Chicken Industry!” You’re hitting very close to home.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:00 pm

I’m a big popcorn chicken fan. Tasty bits… I try not to think about chickens having their beaks ripped off their little faces so they won’t peck at each other in filthy, cramped little spaces and confined cages…. I’m getting better at it, now that they’ve got the spices in the breading right.

The chicken shit river waste is a lot easier to block out, since there aren’t any chicken farms near here.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Beaks removed is an urban legend. People are so disconnected from farming that they believe anything. Beak clipping is no worse than a circumcision at 12 years old using hedge clippers. You know, like on “Roots”.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm

HA! HA! now you’re talkin’!

http://www.upc-online.org/pics/debeak_lg.jpg
“If an electric beak trimmer is not available, a temporary form of trimming can be done by using a sharp jackknife.” Diseases of Poultry, 8th ed, p. 743.

“The emotion-laden word ‘mutilation’ is sometimes used in describing husbandry practices such as removing a portion of a hen’s beak … [However] removal of certain bodily structures, although causing temporary pain to individuals, can be of much benefit to the welfare of the group.”

James V. Craig, Domestic Animal Behavior.
1981, pp.243-44

http://www.upc-online.org/pics/debeak_diagram.gif

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:44 pm

In those countries, children are in the sex slave trade… little boys fill an important role in the entertainment matrix of our “captains of industry.” – but, I always try to look at the bright side.. they can shower afterwards, and sleep on a clean floor for the night.

They have it much better than their parents (whoever they were) had.

TroubleBaby June 13, 2015 at 9:27 pm

“In those countries, a goodly number of poor children are in the sex slave trade”

Is that what Obamatrade is regulating? It seems the bill is directed towards imports(from third world countries). I think sex/human trafficking is already illegal.

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 10:19 pm

I’m just sayin…

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:41 pm

Free trade basically means the United States has the right to fuck over developing countries whenever they damn well please.

TroubleBaby June 13, 2015 at 9:34 pm

It’s always bullshit with gov’t:

“Free trade”*(means regulated)
“Patriot Act” (unpatriotic)
“USA Freedom Act” (reduces freedom)

Cartoon governance elected by 25% of the voter age population with an average IQ of 100. It’s to be expected I suppose.

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 10:19 pm

peacekeeper missile

coolhandluke June 12, 2015 at 11:15 am

Fits, if it creates jobs for “workers” as you say, why are dems/liberals so adverse to it? Not many of them work anyway, do they? just saying.

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Joe, You Lie June 12, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Joe is voting for this shit. Called his office and his aid sid it would help increase jobs for the working man. I countered that it will help Wall St and the little guy, not so much. As with NAFTA, that giant sucking sound will be more American jobs going to other countries.

They really do thing we are that stupid. Joe gets no more votez from me.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 1:04 pm

This trade deal vote is so close that it calls for Obama to use all his super human powers. Why doesn’t he emit a rainbow from his hand in the picture above like this link shows?
http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2015/4/14/president-obamas-parting-shot-rainbow-over-homophobic-jamaica

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O-BUM-ER June 12, 2015 at 1:09 pm

Obutfuck is a faggot. We have proof in a sign from G_d of Obama’s faggotry.

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shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 7:10 pm

Let me know when he can fart butterflies….

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Rocky June 12, 2015 at 1:16 pm

I have found this entertaining this week. What this is about is a vote to provide the Executive branch with authority to fast track trade agreements in negotiations and submit them to the House and Senate. But if you go over to Breitfart you’d think the world is ending .All the right-wing nutjobs are now saying the support Dems who stand up against it for Labor, and sound like a bunch of Union folks, hatin’ on the GOP. It’s hilarious. And they’re never gonna donate again, and Cruz and Rubio are turncoats and everyone needs to take up arms against the government. It’s a riot.

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Rocky June 12, 2015 at 3:10 pm

And now they are all cheering Nancy P.

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The Colonel June 12, 2015 at 1:34 pm

This is the government you want to have unrestricted ability to negotiate your rights away with programs like TPA/TPP: ABC News, “OPM Hack Far Deeper Than Publicly Acknowledged, Went Undetected For More Than A Year, Sources Say” http://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/opm-hack-deeper-publicly-acknowledged-undetected-year-sources/story?id=31689059

Many of you were ready to crucify Haley for a much smaller breach that was made public 2 weeks after it happened. This breech likely occurred more than a year ago – cockroaches.

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Mike at the Beach June 12, 2015 at 10:34 pm

Thank goodness intelligence agency employee data isn’t in OPM so I dodge the bullet again…are MILPERCEN records duped there at all? You renew your LifeLock Ultimate yet?

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The Colonel June 12, 2015 at 10:44 pm

Might want to check what really happened. We still don’t have the full truth of the size of the breech. Four years ago they got into the DODMERB data base garnering information about every potential new officer in every branch of the armed forces. Nothing was done about it at all.

I am sure my data was scooped up in this latest debacle.

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Mike at the Beach June 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm

I am a LifeLock Ultimate dude…come on in…the water’s fine…

The funny part about “Haley’s breach” is that no one seems to notice how that just went away – no claims, no big reports of the data being used, no follow-on damage or banks replacing cards. The MSM and their easily duped readers just couldn’t couldn’t connect those dots and figure out / deduce that the SC breach was handled, and pretty creatively handled at that. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, no? I’m keeping my LifeLock though. It’s already saved me major hassle twice in less than four years.

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erneba June 12, 2015 at 1:54 pm

This follows true to form for Obama’s policy of enacting legislation that is not for the best interest of this country as far as the general overall economy is concerned. It seems he wishes to punish and restrict the influence of the US on the world stage. Obama has always been nothing more than a glorified activist who derives pleasure from punishing and restricting the US influence. This man, Obama has no business trying to run an economy the size the US, he should be on a street corner in Chicago with protesters trying to rip off banks in the name of “social justice.”

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 2:05 pm

House rejects TAA. This puts the whole deal at risk.

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TroubleBaby June 12, 2015 at 2:11 pm

The interesting irony of Pelosi coming out against it:

“Slow down the fast track to get a better deal for the America people,”

Too bad she didn’t hold that philosophy when she was jamming the ACA down everyone’s throats, eh?

If those pushing it didn’t hide it from the start, maybe it would have had a better chance.

Oh well, I’m not sure it means much to the average Joe either way.

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euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:40 pm

Fake it until you make it.

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FastEddy23 June 12, 2015 at 2:31 pm

There is another moment of truth coming next week: BummerCare to be decided as Un-Constitutional … or not … or something else (again).

That will either send the stock, bond and commodities markets into a crash air a boom … If a crash, then everyone will have to join in on this Greater Depression ride into Gruberment welfare … or everyone will have a job waiting for them by the end of the year.

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Sam June 12, 2015 at 2:37 pm

Just more rich people making sure they get richer.
Just more powerful people making sure they get more powerful.
What is new about any of this?

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Rocky June 12, 2015 at 3:13 pm

Guys, been a busy week and I miss you all. Not much time to visit FITS this week. Colonel, Shifty, Boz, Thumper – have a great weekend.

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festus June 13, 2015 at 6:48 am

Working in Dallas?

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 3:14 pm

TAA will be reconsidered on Tuesday.

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FastEddy23 June 12, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Democrats, right for all of the wrong reasons.

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shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 7:07 pm

The “moment of truth” phrase and the heat today reminded me of this incident”

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A solar panel installer was up on a roof, when out of the sky a bolt of lightning
strikes the roof, blowing him off the roof, across the street, and through the
neighbor’s picture window. He gets off the floor, turns to the startled family and says “That’s the one thing I hate about this job.”

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euwe max June 12, 2015 at 7:38 pm

That kind of shit happens to me all the time on here. I’m pretty sure that’s what happened to Damned Tango.

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shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 8:52 pm

are you the one who mentioned something known as ‘the darksucker theory’..?

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euwe max June 12, 2015 at 9:03 pm

No.. but I just came up with a novel idea – space is actually infinite energy, rather than “nothingness” – and if a region of space contains no matter long enough, a hydrogen atom is spontaneously created out of it.

HA! it explains everything! prove *that*’s not true!

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shifty henry June 13, 2015 at 8:38 am

Interestign , and you may be on to the Darksucker Theory. What I found is long, so I’ll just post some of it:
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It may come as a surprise to learn that darksuckers
also operate on a celestial scale; witness the Sun. Our Sun makes use of dense dark, sucking it in from all the planets and intervening dark space. Naturally,
the Sun is better able to suck dark from the planets
which are situated closer to it, thus explaining why
those planets appear brighter than do those which
are far distant from the Sun.

Occasionally, the Sun actually oversucks; under
those conditions, dark spots appear on the surface of the Sun. Scientists have long studied these ‘sunspots’ and are only recently beginning to realize that the dark spots represent leaks of high pressure dark because the Sun has oversucked dark to such an extent that some dark actually leaks back into space. This leakage of high pressure dark frequently causes problems with radio
communications here on Earth due to collisions between the dark particles as they stream out into space at high velocity via the black ‘holes’ in the surface of the Sun.

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 5:26 pm

flostigon

shifty henry June 13, 2015 at 7:56 pm

…???

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 8:02 pm

oh hell… .

phlogiston

…like looking into a carnival mirror

shifty henry June 13, 2015 at 10:08 pm

Chapter 2 – Darksucker Theory

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This newsletter introduces a brief synopsis of the
darksucker theory, which proves the existence of dark and establishes the fact that dark has great mass, and further, that dark particle (the anti-photon) is
the fastest known particle in the universe. Apparently, even the celebrated Dr. Albert Einstein did not suspect the truth.. that just as COLD is the absence of
HEAT, LIGHT is actually the ABSENCE of DARK… scientists have now proven that light does not really exist!

The basis of the darksucker theory is that electric
light bulbs suck dark. Take for example, the darksuckers in the room where you are right now. There is much less dark right next to the darksuckers than there is elsewhere, demonstrating their limited range. The larger the darksucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. Darksuckers in a parking lot or on a football field have a much greater capacity than the ones in used in the home, for example.

shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 8:55 pm

An engineer walks into his boss’s office and says “I want enough money to buy a new HP System Analyzer.”

His boss says “Why do you need a System Analyzer?”

The engineer says “I don’t, I just want that much money.”

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euwe max June 12, 2015 at 9:07 pm

engineers are practical, if nothing else…. however, the problem with some engineers is that when they run into a tangential problem in the course of implementing a solution to another problem, they tend to obsess over the new wrinkle to the exclusion of all else until they miss the deadline.

…which is not to say that’s all bad – since that’s how the transistor was born.

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Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:09 pm

It was the wrinkles in the universe that made life possible.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 9:09 pm

…and all this time, I thought it was tits.

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:10 pm

Bumps, wrinkles; no difference.

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 9:12 pm

Tell that to an aging porn star!

Bible Thumper June 12, 2015 at 9:18 pm

Lol

shifty henry June 12, 2015 at 9:52 pm

One manager was bragging to another. “I have a great engineer working for me. Last week I gave him a project and he stayed up for six straight days, completed the circuit board design, finished
the bill of materials and wrote a thousand lines of firmware.
The completed projected was on my desk when I got to work
on Monday morning.”

His friend asked “So how far ahead of schedule was he?”

The manager said, “Ahead of schedule? Who ever heard of an engineer doing that?”

euwe max June 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm

If an engineer completes a project to spec, within budget, without issue, on or ahead of schedule, he misunderstood the schedule.

Fast
Cheap
Good

choose 2.

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 10:33 am

LOL – many engineers are too pedantic. They start a project with best of intentions, but soon come to own it, get personally vested and the next thing you know something simple has morphed into their project, that must be perfect and does things beyond the scope of work. Great product, just a little expensive in some cases and you can’t rush a perfect piece of art. ;)

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 4:22 pm

Psalm 82:6: ye are gods

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 4:41 pm

Unfortunately I cannot give credit for this quote, without some research, but I find it very interesting and poignant: Today’s oppressed will be tomorrow’s oppressors.

I’m pretty sure the Mormon religion has something similar to your biblical quote. While I don’t claim expertise, based on my limited knowledge of the Mormon Religion. It seems they believe they are, or will be gods. More power to them. If they act like Romney has acted in his contributions to the cause – well heck, he believes in giving a LOT. I also like the way he campaigns, nothing dirty.

Having said that, he is unelectable because he won’t play dirty and the religion factor.

euwe max June 13, 2015 at 5:10 pm

(I added a postscript to the previous message)

The idea of a god is not confined to wacko religions… the idea is very simple – if you nurture a life, feed it, comfort it, sacrifice for it, derive joy from it… you have expressed the highest ambitions of life itself and transcended the simple process of locomotion and acquisition…. you have become a god.

…and.. if you should possess that rarest of elements in the known universe – inspiration – and have the opportunity to create something – something that reduces the burdens of life – something that embodies usefulness – that furthers the goals of life… entertainment, happiness – joy – the capacity for growth. An independent, functioning object whose persistence may greatly outlive the author, and whose value eclipses the transient and superficial reproductive wriggling of cilia in the void.

Within the craft, secreted away in the smoothness of a surface there, the subtle shade of color here… a subtle confluence of personal choices… emphasis… something unique adheres to it – and as a frame in a great film captures a moment in the life of the actor, creation of a useful object sends a part of ourselves into the future, to join with the creations of others to bring more power and glory to life, and its greater purposes.

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 6:00 pm

I am glad you added the postscript, because none of that made sense before your latter comment. In all honesty – I can break it down into layman terms, but no idea the original intent. Seems the Wicked overtook a system. I am sure that is a metaphor – perhaps symbol of our system?

It sounds a bit Randish, but with a tweak. I don’t know the philosopher you are talking about or have adapted, but like any work of art – open to interpretation.
To me this means, we all work on something (an engineer), some of us find the answers to society (bang), but become afraid and abandon ship. Giving the dark side leverage.

Hmmm…..a puzzle to piece together.

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 7:06 pm

I’ll likely be back on this comment later. I am worked out for the day and need a break. Brain dead and need time to absorb. You are always a little cryptic, so might take me some time to figure out if you are just messing with me or where you are getting that info. As always, thought provoking.

SYNTwist June 14, 2015 at 9:35 am

Did you write this? I can’t find a single reference to anything written above outside your forum. It is dark, but wow – if you wrote this, I am impressed.

euwe max June 14, 2015 at 10:30 am

As you imply, I often integrate the work of others into points I want to make, editing the original if it suits me, to better illustrate an idea.

I’m not publishing a doctorate essay, claiming it to be an original idea, or being paid to write completely original articles for a newspaper.

I don’t give a flying fuck if some dead guy put the words together close enough to use as an illustration I want to make gets upset that I didn’t give him credit for it.

No one owns an idea, or a perspective.

But to answer your question, there is nothing derivative in that post beyond the familiarity we all have with the meaning of the individual in relation to life.

It is my original work.

Now, since we are on the subject – I use words. I didn’t create the English language, or participate in the refinement of correct syntax, definitions, punctuation or contemporary style.

I’m not the original author of ellipses and hyphens in the writing style of the stream of consciousness, or the use of wry humor as a coda in conclusion.

I also liberally use the words “meaning,” “time,” “life,” “love,” “noble,” “God,” and “Republican,” though those words could be said not to have real definition, and are constantly undergoing revision in literature, and mean different things in different contexts.

The ideas that I write about are hardly unique. They are as common in literature as yellow journalism on Faux news.

The only reason I try to convey ideas, many of which may predate language itself, is I feel compelled to.

SYNTwist June 14, 2015 at 10:37 am

Wow – seems my compliment pissed you off. I genuinely thought it was an interesting piece and wondered if it was your “original work.” I like your creative writing style.

euwe max June 14, 2015 at 11:00 am

I’m not pissed off at all.

I used to try to put :) everywhere to help keep the reader from falling into the idea I’m more “dark” than my intent.

Don’t mistake my disgust for Republicans as an expression of an angry white man trying to enlist haters into ethnic or philosophical cleansing. :)

When I’m pissed off at someone, which is *very* rare, I keep it to myself. If I find someone offensive, I might say “fuck you” or psychoanalyze their post.

People who are trying to be offensive are simply used as a foil for ideas. People sometimes misinterpret ideas that are counter to what they believe as a personal attack. I can’t help that.

And of course, there are occasional casualties of “friendly fire,’ but long-term, these heal, and are expected.

SYNTwist June 14, 2015 at 11:03 am

If I can find it, I have a poem I wrote many years ago, based on someone else’s work, but totally different. I’ll post it IF I can find it. Yes, I put that smiley face all over stuff so that I am not misunderstood. :)

SYNTwist June 14, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Ok, you like cryptic, so do I. Here is something I wrote MANY years ago, can you guess WHO inspired it? I got no love for that person, but did appreciate a couple words, that I made mine.

Daylight faded,
obscured in the soul of treas
the beacon swayed,
with each caressing breeze.
Blackness fell, once more,
upon this wasted shadow.

Morning fell, and dawn appeared.
Once more,
it swallowed this daunted spirit.
Upon this path lay dreams of love
and happiness,
and everything in between.

They all swallowed each other.
In silence of the lamp.
The darkness pulled at them,
made them disappear.

Emptiness and loneliness,
fell across this wake.,
marking time. Infinite.

They layed upon it,
still marked by hope.
Of course the lamp would breathe again,
the meaning of.

In fate it left me without fare for the soul.
Hungry.
Nowhere can I see.
Vastness like a desert.
Silence.
It led to where?
This place. This life.

In dust I made a dream.
Dreams of soulfulness and depth.
I let it breathe.

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 4:46 pm

Did you mean to say you are a god? Last I recall you are an embedded systems engineer? Or does that quote only apply to the pedantic ?

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 4:47 pm

thanks – I am just seeing the rest of your comment…

SYNTwist June 13, 2015 at 4:53 pm

Max – I am very interested in your comment above, I am mowing today. Zero turn mower – like riding a four wheeler, but productive at the same time. Many acres yet to mow, so I’ll respond when I get in. Sunburned and irritable :). j/k about the latter, but I need time to absorb what you have drafted.

Bible Thumper June 13, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Our over exposure to Bruce Jenner’s trans gender conversion to Caitlyn has conditioned us to display a more muted response to the revelation that the chapter president of the Spokane NACCP, Rachel Dolezal, has transitioned to be black. Of course, for those of us who are regular visitors of Fitsnews, this type transition is something we’ve witnessed before in the “founding editor”.

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Joe June 13, 2015 at 1:36 pm

TAA isnt new. It has been around for many years. It is up for reauthorization.

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