Waco: Massive Biker Brawl!

NINE DEAD, 170 ARRESTED …  || By FITSNEWS || The numbers associated with Sunday’s biker gang shootout in Waco, Texas are staggering.  Nine people (all bikers) are dead.  Another eighteen injured.  Meanwhile a whopping 170 people have been arrested – many of them likely to stand trial for capital murder. Over…


|| By FITSNEWS || The numbers associated with Sunday’s biker gang shootout in Waco, Texas are staggering.  Nine people (all bikers) are dead.  Another eighteen injured.  Meanwhile a whopping 170 people have been arrested – many of them likely to stand trial for capital murder.

Over what?  Access to a parking lot … although apparently the bad blood (which led to the shed blood) dates back for years.  In fact the gangs had reportedly gathered in an effort to resolve their territorial and recruitment disputes.

According to The Waco Tribune-Herald, the deadly biker brawl began shortly after noon in the bathroom of the Twin Peaks Sports Bar and Grill – a “breastaurant” located in a shopping center in Waco.  The fight – between the rival Bandidos and Cossacks’ biker gangs – was initially confined to fists and feet, although it quickly escalated into a free-for-all involving knives, clubs, chains and (eventually) firearms.

Members of three other gangs joined the melee as it spread, and when police arrived on the scene – gang members began shooting at them, too.

Police – who were on the scene monitoring the gangs – responded to the brawl within seconds.  They fired after being fired upon, killing several bikers.

It’s not clear yet how many shots were fired – or by whom – as police have only said there was gunfire inside and outside the restaurant.  Specific information on the shootout won’t be available for some time – as police say it will take until the end of the day Monday just to finish documenting the scene of the battle.

Local cops blamed the host establishment for the outbreak of violence.

“We’ve been here over the past two months because of the problems we’ve had with biker gangs here at Twin Peaks,” sergeant Patrick Swanton told reporters. “We have attempted to work with the local management of Twin Peaks to no avail.  They have continued to allow these bikers to gather here, and this is the culmination of what has occurred.”

The owner of the establishment rejected that contention.

“Our priority is to provide a safe and enjoyable environment for our customers and employees, and we consider the police our partners in doing so,” the owner said in a statement. “Our management team has had ongoing and positive communications with the police, and we will continue to work with them as we all want to keep violent crime out of our businesses and community.”

Bond for each of the bikers has been set at $1 million apiece.  None have posted.

Along with black street gangs the Bloods and the Crips, the Bandidos were listed last year by the Texas Department of Public Safety (TDPS) as a “tier two” threat – the second highest level.

In addition to local and state law enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) were participating in the investigation.

Located in central Texas – Waco is home to roughly a quarter million people.  It is best known as the location of the infamous 1993 Waco Siege – in which 83 Branch Davidians and four ATF agents died in a government raid on the New Mount Carmel Center northeast of the city.


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Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm

Twin Peaks corporate management announced the Waco franchise will be permanently revoked.

Sunday at noon….Hmmm… Wonder if their is any correlation with the Pew study on the decline of church attendance. Maybe they brought their guns from church. We all know how dangerous those Bible Thumpers are.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:21 pm

Yep, looks like one of the most slack gun control laws in the country kept that shit from happening didn’t it?????
It was government fired weapons that killed those slugs, not one damn civilian with open or concealed carry served as a deterrent.
After killing several gang members gang members whipped around and fired on the cops who cut them down in quick fashion.

euwe max May 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm

all that means is the NRA needs to represent at that restaurant.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:52 am

For all we know some of those killed,wounded or arrested ARE members of the NRA…….
I’m a card carrying member myself—–gotta be to shoot in certain NRA sanctioned competitions.

euwe max May 19, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Do you wear your colors to the bar?

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 3:09 pm

Only “colors” i wear in a bar is whatever shirt I’m wearing the day I’m riding my bike. I do have my old Air Force issued A-2 flying jacket that i wear some if the weather requires it & regular stuff like a plain jane Levi’s jacket. I did buy a spiffy 3 weather rig with elbow protection and I’m glad I bought it – ever hear of Joe Rocket jackets?
Only motorcycle “club” I belong to is a Japanese Classic Motorcycle Club (bike’s gotta be at least 20 years old and be a ‘rice-burner”)
I’m a motorcyclist – not a “biker.
But I am working on getting a custom made leather vest (tan). When you see it you will know that it is custom made – that’s all I’m saying for now!!!

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Yep, Did any of those gang members have a concealed carry permit. Would they have obeyed the law if denied a permit. Criminals don’t obey laws whether they are strict or lax. Stricter gun laws would not have prevented these crimes.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:52 pm

The point you missed is that having the ability/right to legally pack a firearm don’t mean squat as a deterrent or even defense against someone else packing if they have the wherewhithall to start shooting.
All I’ve heard/read for years from the hard right is that having the right to “pack” keeps bad shit from happening. Didn’t do a fucking thing for this or the poor dude trying to stop the gunfight at a Walmart last year did it?
Packing for packing’s sake is just another way to give some insecure individuals a false sense of security.
I’ve carried firearms in 3 wars and am a competition shooter but the day I think i’ve got to “pack” everywhere i go, it’s all over as a country.

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm

The point you missed is that restrictions on guns to law abiding citizens does not make you safer. If you pass a law you should be able to demonstrate it’s benefit. It is not the burden of those opposed to the legal restrictions to prove the benefit of not having a restriction.
I don’t carry or own a gun. In the last two years, there have been three home invasions in within 5 miles of my rural/suburban home. Home owners killed two perpetrators and two homeowners were seriously injured, but I believe if the owners had not resisted there would be a lot more home invasions. It’s not the successful gun carry events that counts. It’s the crimes that are never attempted, because of gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

Thomas May 18, 2015 at 6:54 pm

There in no evidence to support you belief. Comparing the US to the other major western democracies; the US has gun ownership rates per 100k people of 3+ times that of Europe, Canada, and Australia. The US homicide rate is about 4 times that of Europe, Canada, and Australia. Clearly gun ownership n not reducing the number of Homicides in the US.

There is a deterrence to requiring all gun owners to be licensed and go through a criminal background check. There is no reason that a law abiding citizen should object to being asked to have a license to carry a gun or going through a background check. The reason there is a deterrence is that allows the police to seize guns from people who do not have license, and arrest known criminals who are carrying a gun without a license. They no longer need probable cause to seize a gun. They can simply ask for a license, and if there is not one, take the gun. If there is one, then no problem. This makes guns less available to the criminal element without impinging on the right of law abiding citizens to carry guns, and protect themselves.

The reason the NRA objects to this, is a large number of gun owners could not pass the background check for a license..

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 9:49 pm

I support background checks, but not registration. The background checks should refuse ownership to excess and those who’s mental illness is a risk. I understand that other countries are different, but that’s because they’re different.

RogueElephant May 18, 2015 at 10:28 pm

Background checks are really registration. Why would you need background check if you weren’t interested in owning a gun ? The idea of refusing gun ownership to mental defectives sounds great but who dose the deciding ? In some circles all veterans are potential terrorists. Religious people could be viewed as mental defective. It’s not the person it’s the judge. The old slippery slope theory.

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 11:23 pm

My concern is the privacy of patients mental condition.

3.14159265359 May 18, 2015 at 11:57 pm

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 7:28 am

Mr Beck, is that you?

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 8:34 am

The whole idea of diversity is to make us less cohesive. I remember when we were all Americans. Un-hyphenated. The liberals want to keep us fighting among ourselves. The old “divide and conquer” deal. Stupid people fall for it and there aren’t enough intelligent people to out number them. It really is us against them. Us being the everyday working Joes them being the “leaders” who keep insisting how different we all are.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 8:44 am

I know. You don’t see color, right?

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 8:50 am

Your race card has expired. But realistically when 15% of the population commits 45% of the crime due diligence is required. But only an idiot thinks that is the only thing to watch. Even Juan Williams said that.

Jack May 19, 2015 at 9:41 am

Got to love this respons. The race card has expired, but you should be afraid of black people. Black people raping and killing you are why all white people should carry a gun.

As Lee said, hide it but never stop saying N*****. N*****, N*****

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 10:15 am

I knew the “race card” comment was coming when I posted. Textbook BillO. Discussing race is not “playing the race card”. All regulations are not job killers and all taxes and fees are not budget busters. But hyperbole is hyperbole and non-sequiturs are non-sequiturs

Jack May 19, 2015 at 9:34 am

Republicans are the kings of division. Their entire strategy is to convince people that Black are out to take their money, that poor people out to get them, that Hispanics are out to take their jobs. That Democrats are out to take their guns. If people concentrate on class and race fears, maybe they won’t notice giant corporations, billionairs, and their GOP puppets are screwing them.

On his death bed Lee Atwater, revealed the Republican strategy that has remained unchanged my entire life. Divide and conquer

Jack May 19, 2015 at 9:37 am

Sounds like that poem applies pretty well to the Republican Party Just substitute gays for Jews, and you would have a pretty accurate description of the current Republican Party platform.

Jack May 19, 2015 at 9:29 am

Typical GOP garbage, fake new, Rush, Beck lies. There are no circles were all veterans are potential terrorist and no one believe religious people are mentally defective. Nuts like you pray on weak minded people with fear, because it is the only argument you have. You can’t back up anything you say with facts so you make stuff up.

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 11:11 am

Keep your head well buried in the sand. Meanwhile I will continue to hold onto my guns and my Bible.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 7:24 am

The need for public safety and accountability outweighs your desire for anonymity. Don’t even bother to go down the “gun grab” argument path. It’s just talk from Crazy Mountain (ala “the military is going to take over Texas”) –and the NRA.

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 8:36 am

You will change your tune about 2AM when you hear the front door crash in. But keep your head buried in the sand. Everything will be fine.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 8:42 am

And the chances of that happening are about what? Stop living a life that has become one big Faux News Threat Alert

Jack May 19, 2015 at 9:53 am

If the military chooses to break down your door and take your guns it will be with a body armored Seal trained to do just that, and you will have nothing that can stop them from doing so. In the highly unlikely event you have managed to stock an arsenal of high powered assault weapons and ammunition capable of holding off a trained assault force, They will pull back and send in a drone. Please stop the crazy crap. But that is not going to happen and you know it. More GOP fear tactics.

It sounds like you are one of those nuts in the circle that believes everyone in the military is a potential terrorists. Does that change when the go from active military to veteran? How about if they are subject to being recalled to active duty. Do they remain a threat to you? Like every Republican I know you talk out of both sides of your mouth and never say anything.

You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 2:40 pm

There is something to be said for the man or woman who looks at a criminal or otherwise unrighteous attack on their person or home, not entirely in terms of likely survivability, but also in terms of destruction or reduction in numbers of the attacker. This may be beneficial to the next potential victim(s). Assuming they will likely kill you, if you get one of them it is parity. All above one is icing on the cake.

Thomas May 19, 2015 at 9:58 am

How are they different?

Todd May 19, 2015 at 4:51 pm

Corrected for “demographics” the U.S. has a homicide rate similar to Belgium. The difference in crime rates between the U.S. and Canada/Europe/Australia is not the guns, chief. Feel free to come by and try to take mine though.

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 7:06 pm

very good….

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 7:19 am

“The point you missed is that restrictions on guns to law abiding citizens does not make you safer.”

Tell that to the thousands of spouses, partners, and children who have died or have been wounded. Up to that point, the gun owner was likely considered law abiding citizen.

Zed May 19, 2015 at 8:44 am

I agree.

And you know who I am.

It should not be a right-left issue. Too bad it is.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 10:11 am

Look at Australia’s experience i you want to see evidence of improved safety. You think for a minute that there is no correlation between fatalities and gun availability? And no, the rate would stay the same “because they would just use knives”

You Know My Name May 18, 2015 at 6:29 pm

NOTHING will deter ALL crimes or violent incidents. That said, I’d much rather have the option of being armed wherever I might be than not. Cops were already on the scene when the shit hit the fan in this case. Apparently their presence and ability to be armed were no deterrent to it happening. Should we disarm cops and/or do away with them because of this one incident?

In a case like this, with no clearly discernable “good” or “bad” guys, I would probably choose to seek cover until the shooting stopped. If one person or faction were lobbing rounds at me, my family, or my friends, then I would be inclined to try and neutralize that person.


You Know My Name May 18, 2015 at 6:32 pm

A question that begs asking is whether or not Texas allows citizens to carry in environs where alcohol is served. If the answer is “no”, then your point is moot.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm

again, Walmart last year,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Plus, how many times have I heard that saying: “if only I had a pistol in my glove box”
Carry,pack to your heat’s content – I really don’t care but that bullshit about weapons making the average armed citizen safer is just that – bullshit and feel good propaganda for the whacked out right.

If you’re concerned about home invasions get yourself a good dog that barks like hell (or better yet a flock of geese – you can eat the eggs and cook a goose if times are hard and geese are noisy as hell if an intruder shows up.)
I’m on my 3rd Rottweiller myself (our family has had a “rottie” in our home since 1985. I stake my families life and my property on my “Rott”.

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 7:06 pm

Anybody out there ever have a goose go after you? — they are persistent (especially if they think you have food for them), scary, and noisy…

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:31 am

They’re mean (and noisy) as hell. That’s why i know they are damn good sentries!!!
I’ve got “pinched” more than once by the damn things when I was a boy riding my bicycle “down the “hollers” of West by God Virginia.
Never fucked with them and they would still come after you!!!!!!

shifty henry May 19, 2015 at 11:42 am

Have you noticed when you see geese flying and they’re in a V pattern, often one side will be longer than the other? Do you know why that is?

There are more geese on that side.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 2:04 pm

There you go!!!!
Serioulsy, being the semi-nerd and keeper of useless information that i am,i saw on TV (Discovery, Science Channel – whatever) that the v-shaped formation is very energy efficient and why geese fly that way (sorta-kinda like drafting in NASCAR).
I love to watch pelicans fly in formation either at height or skimming along the surface of the water. Ever notice when the leader flaps its wings the followers flap theirs in succession?
And they are masters of “ground effect” as they skim across the water. I never tire of watching them when I’m at the beach – they are so ungainly when they walk but so beautiful when they fly.

shifty henry May 19, 2015 at 2:24 pm

very good! geese (and birds) when flying in a vee formation will change leaders, possibly to keep from tiring out. sometimes I’m able to watch them change up to 3 times if I see them far enough away(just a game to keep me from getting bored sometimes).

shifty henry May 19, 2015 at 11:45 am

A man goes into a pet shop and sees a goose tap-dancing on an upturned flowerpot. The man buys the goose and takes it home. Next day he rings up the pet shop to complain. ‘This goose has been sitting on my kitchen table for hours,’ says the man. ‘It hasn’t danced a single step.’ The pet shop owner replies, ‘Did you remember to light the candle under the flowerpot?’

RogueElephant May 18, 2015 at 10:31 pm

A hand full of hamburger meat with a dash of a certain agricultural chemical and your “rottei’ is rotting.

You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 11:42 am

Excellent point, Rogue!!!! Also, despite abundant misconceptions to the contrary, my gun(s) will not leave my home, car, or hip, in search of people to harm. Dogs have a mind (sort of) of their own and may do such, especially if of a breed that is second only to pit bulls in maulings and death of humans in the US each year. You can’t take a smelly dog into a lot of places and you can’t ( or shouldn’t) leave it in a hot car on a summer day when going into one of those places. If I have to fight a battle, I would rather deal with it myself than let a snarling, biting, prosthesis do it for me.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm

Smelly dog???? When was the last time you sniffed my Rottweiller????
Did I say anything about letting my dog do the fighting for me?
His main job is to warn/deter and attack as a last resort ONLY if someone crosses the threashold of my fence line.
Someone’s stupid enough to go that far then it’s time for Mr. Mossberg or Mr. Ruger to go to the next level.
Now talking about fatalities by dog attacks:
I quickly pulled up the stats for 2014-2015 (wikipedia) and Rottweillers were nowhere near the fatal attacks (only 1 in 2015) as Pit Bulls and 4th in 2014 behind pit bulls,mixed breed and even a “keeschound” (sp). And I’m positive NOT one of those dog attacks was premediated and all accidental – can you say that about guns??
There are shitloads and I mean SHITLOADS more people accidentally killed by firearms every damn year than by dog attacks. And if you can’t handle a Rottweiller you sure as hell don’t need to own one (the same should be said about firearms)
I own guns and carried a weapon in 3 wars and am a member of the NRA but individuals who believe that carrying a gun around just because you can and give you warm fuzzies live on another planet.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:48 am

True but you gotta be there when I’m not there to do that (that’s the point of a sentry/guard dog)
If I’m there you gotta go through him to get to me and I’ll pay good money to see you try that.
Kinda one of those multi-layered defense tactics that us moderates don’t know jack shit about and only the smug self-righteous hard right does—-am I right?

You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 9:19 am

“Wal-Mart last year”was a single incident. The citizen was caught off guard and/or exercised inadequate situational awareness. This happens to multiple police officers, who are trained not to let it happen to them, each and every year. How many armed citizens are NOT victims each year because they were armed? Hell, let’s talk about another Wal-Mart a few years ago when a female friend and I were loading my car with items she was going to nedd following surgery that was scheduled for her in a couple of days. Both of us kept late hours as we were natural night owls and because of our job schedules. As we were leaving the store with a cart piled with stuff, I couldn’t help but notice the scruffy young man as his eyes locked onto her purse that was sitting in the child seat of the cart. As we made our way into the outer rea of the lot, where I had parked my new car to avoid dings from shopping carts left in the lot by slovenly Wal Martians, I kept checking to ensue that he did not decide to folow us.

You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 9:31 am

…. All appeared well until, as we were loading my trunk, here comes our friend from the breezeway across the lot, making a line for us, in a remote region of the lot. When he was seve yards from us I told him to stop right there and state his business. He took another step and I hiked up my shirt and put my hand on my holstered .45 but did not draw. I told him if he took one more step towards us that I would take that as a hostile act on his part and that he would not like what happened next. He stopped and I told him to go back where he came from. He muttered something under his breath and shuffled off back to the store. We hurridly finished loading the car and left.


You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 9:41 am

When we were in the car, my friend asked why I was so “rude” to him. I asked if sh were joking and she was serious. I asked if she noticed him in the breezeway as we were leaving. She did not. I asked if she saw his eyes lock onto her purse as we were going out the door and of course, she did not. She said that maybe he just wanted directions, a light, or a dollar. I pointed to the front of t he store and maneuvered the car for a better view as I asked what she saw. Even at 3-4AM there was a steady stream of people going in and out of that store.


You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 9:53 am

I asked my friend why he didn’t approach one of those people and ask for directions, a light, or a dollar. I asked what we had that someone there did not. Then I noted that we were isolated and about 50-75 yds in the lot, to ourselves. I also asked if she had noticed that his hands were in his pockets on approach. She said that what I said was starting to scare her. I said “good, take it to heart and it may save you some grief or save your life some time”.

I don’t know if that turd was planning to just snatch something like her purse and run or if he had a knife or even a gun in his pocket, but we were better off in not finding out that night and so was he. It was worth the small bit of trouble to be packing.

You Know My Name May 18, 2015 at 6:34 pm

That is a universal and eternal truth!

Limbaughsaphatkhunt May 18, 2015 at 6:46 pm

Exactly, which means we should have no laws whatsoever b/c crims will just ignore them.

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 7:15 pm

If a law impacts law abiding citizens more than lawbreakers and doesn’t make people safer, then it’s unjust and bad policy.

You Know My Name May 19, 2015 at 11:29 am

…. and so true!

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 8:41 am

Which part of “shall not be infringed” didn’t you catch onto ?????

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm

How about the other stores that have Biker Night?

Bible Thumper May 18, 2015 at 9:41 pm

The Christians go to Cracker Barrel after church. Too dangerous for me.

Zed May 19, 2015 at 8:40 am

I was in the Murrells Inlet Cracker Barrell the other day, and it was packed with Christian bikers who were on Harleys.

Rasputin May 18, 2015 at 3:55 pm

We used to have a member of the 1% biker community who posted on local news sites. Sadly, I haven’ t seen any posts by him in a few years. I’d really like to hear his take on this incident. As it is, we are only getting one side if a multi-faceted issue and you know which way that will be slanted.

3.14159265359 May 18, 2015 at 11:51 pm

He’s still around. He’s on FB and still in no way ashamed or quite about his affiliations. Nothing about this over the real though.

Bill Smith 999935 May 18, 2015 at 3:56 pm

This sets the biker culture back a few decades.

Think About It May 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm

Yeah … Harley Davidson gets a black eye?

Bill Smith 999935 May 18, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Not the machine, the operators.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Probably not – Harley owners/buyers are EXTREMELY loyal to their brand….
That being said, I haven’t seen a Honda Gold Wing or BMW bike in any of the Waco pictures so far…………….
BTW: I’m not a “biker”; I’m a “motorcyclist” = been one since 1973!!!!!!!

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 5:43 pm

Harleys v. Women

Arthur Davidson, of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle Corporation, died and went to heaven. At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur, “Since you’ve been such a good man and your motorcycles have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out with anyone you want in Heaven.”

Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, “I want to hang out with God”. St. Peter took Arthur
to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

Arthur then asked God, “Hey, aren’t you the inventor of woman?”

God said, “Ah, yes.”

“Well,” said Arthur, “professional to professional, you have some major design flaws in your invention:

1. There’s too much inconsistency in the front-end protrusion.

2. It chatters constantly at high speeds.

3. Most of the rear ends are too soft and wobble too much.

4. The intake is placed way to close to the exhaust.

5. The maintenance costs are outrageous.”

“Hmmmm, you may have some good points there,” replied God, “hold on.” God went to his Celestial
super computer, typed in a few words and waited for the results. The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.

Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,” God said to Arthur, “but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:03 pm

That’s a good ‘un!!!!!
Only thing is I wish i had bought HD stock when it went public and then sold it about 10 years ago………
I rented a “naked” Harley superglide a few years back. It was powerful as hell but rattled and shook my fillings out at signal lights.
I love all “bikes” but don’t think I’ll own a Harley.
Been a “rice-burner” owner since 1973!!!!!

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm

During my spell as a rider I bought a used Honda 750

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:55 pm

Honda CB-750…
A Classic fer sure!!!!!

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 7:00 pm

For a beginner it was a great bike – I just got my divorce, my best friend had a repair and parts shop, and I was 41 years old….

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 7:01 pm

There was a brief time in the early 70’s when the CB750 was an ass kicker compared to what was out there at the time. Really, Honda started the whole Jap inline 4 thing. (successfully that is, there were others)

euwe max May 18, 2015 at 7:10 pm

zinggggg…. wingggawinggg wingggg dingg…..

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 7:12 pm

lol…not including two strokes of course…

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:19 am

Ah, the sweet sound of a two stroke (complete with the trailing smoke cloud)!!!!!!
Perhaps the legendary “giant killer” called the Yamaha RD-350??

euwe max May 19, 2015 at 12:16 pm

Ah yes.. the Rajdoot 350

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 1:49 pm

In the mid-late 70’s they remade it to the RD-400 which was a damn good looking bike with performance/handling to boot.
i wish I had one now!!!!!

TroubleBaby May 19, 2015 at 2:09 pm

I did get a chance to ride a “Widowmaker” H2…which was insane. Stoopid fast in a straight line with miserable brakes and equally miserable handling.

Reminded me of muscle cars of the late 60’s/early 70’s.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Yep, the “purple” monster Kawasaki 750cc – a straight line rocket on two wheels.
I remember them well
Then came along the Kawasaki Z-1 903 to enter into a new level of all around ass kicking performance

shifty henry May 19, 2015 at 11:09 am

Remember this? ( I thought you would)—
“You meet more friends on a Honda.”
“But you get more nookie on a Suzuki!”

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:16 am

I think the first CB-750 came out in 1968 or 1969.
The CB-750 revolutionized the Jap bike industry (actually the motorcycle industry as a whole, no longer were the “hot rod” bikes Harleys or Triumphs (and to a lesser degree Norton,BSA and Moto-Guzzi). And pretty much led to some of the aforementioned bikes demise untill Harely came “roaring” back in the early 90’s (which I do applaud and you can thank us “Boomers” for that!!!!)
Honda’s famous ad had been: “You meet the nicest people on a Honda” (showing a “nice” couple riding on a 250 or maybe even a CB-90 – I can’t remember which but I do remember the ad).
The CB-750 changed all that!!!!!

TroubleBaby May 19, 2015 at 2:06 pm

“You meet the nicest people on a Honda” (showing a “nice” couple riding on a 250 or maybe even a CB-90 – I can’t remember which but I do remember the ad”

It was the “Super Cub”, which amazingly, is still made today for certain markets, 50 to 100cc approximately:


I’m turning 44 next month, so it was a generation before me that you speak of, but I’m fairly cognizant of the important models of the 70’s & 60’s.

The big bike in my day(high school) was the Interceptor 750 of the mid 80’s and then the Ninja GPZ900R came out and shocked the shit out of everyone…I remember riding on the back of one at 16 and shitting my pants…. it was also in “Top Gun” which in my generation was a huge movie…after that the much maligned crotch rocket(by earlier generations) took off.

I’ve got a lot of miles on a lot of bikes…but I’ve only ridden Harley’s out of curiosity for short periods of time. I’m not sure I’ll own one. Don’t get me wrong, they are ok, just not really my style.

My stable is two 80’s/90’s icon bikes(one of which I heavily modified-the other I was going to modify as well but decided I don’t have the time and is going to get sold) and an enduro…with young kids I don’t get that much time to ride right now.

euwe max May 18, 2015 at 7:10 pm

30 years ago, eh?

Rocky May 19, 2015 at 9:49 am

And how did it work for getting chicks. I was 41 and recently divorced once, and bought a BMW. Worked like a charm.

shifty henry May 19, 2015 at 10:01 am

‘And how did it work for getting chicks’ — never got proficient enough to take a rider before cold weather arrived – sold to a friend of my daughter at her school

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm

Shit, 99% of HD sales are to weekend bad-asses who spend an equal amount on HD clothing as they do their bikes.

The Colonel May 18, 2015 at 9:41 pm

Meanwhile, our president scribes a executive order forbidding police use of tracked vehicles, shields, grenade launchers and high powered weapons. Never mind that there are no cases of police departments using tracked vehicles offensively, most departments that have the old M-113s only use them for show or evacuation of wounded under fire and generally have no mounted weapons, shields are an established part of riot control and can only be used defensively, the grenade launchers are only used for beanbag and riot control agents and high powered weapons are often the best solution to hostage situations and bomb disposal.

Bill Smith 999935 May 18, 2015 at 9:55 pm

As a resident of St. Louis county, I couldn’t agree with you more.

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Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 7:53 am

Not so true boss. P.D.s can buy them on the “civilian” market if they want

The Colonel May 19, 2015 at 8:01 am

Sure for ten times the cost.

He did say one thing that’s right: “We’ve seen how militarized gear can sometimes give people a feeling like there’s an occupying force …” which is exactly how you want then to feel during a riot.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 8:11 am

How’s that been working lately?

The Colonel May 19, 2015 at 8:14 am

Very well, Baltimore called down immediately once the overwhelming display of force from the national guard was deployed.

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 8:39 am

Yeah, let’s call Baltimore a real success–a true win for the home team and law and order. I wonder if anything might have been done differently by police to avoid needing to bring out the Nasty Guard in the first place

The Colonel May 19, 2015 at 8:44 am

I’d call Baltimore a failure of local government to police effectively that precipitated the need for state government to step in. The governor stepped in in a meaningful way and the rioting was over almost immediately.

Rocky May 19, 2015 at 9:48 am

Agree with that. Baltimore is a complete failure of local government. Always has been. I remember being sent to Melbourne, Australia once in late June (their winter). My office was by the water front. Called back to HQ on a rainy AM and someone asked, how’s it look. My response – “reminds me of Baltimore.”

Rakkasan May 19, 2015 at 10:04 am

Right–and your original post was a complaint about local police (and militarization of them), not use of force in general.

truthmonger May 19, 2015 at 3:15 pm

SOooo, you don’t want police to have WHAT, exactly, and WHY? Tired of the whole “militarization of police” schtick, and they never explain WHAT they are against or WHY.

RogueElephant May 19, 2015 at 11:20 am

There are very few situations that can’t be improved with superior fire power

truthmonger May 19, 2015 at 3:13 pm

Yep, the media and government could have alllowed them to DO THEIR JOBS and protect the public from criminals. BUT, it’s edgier to show you’re “down with the revolution”….

Rocky May 19, 2015 at 9:46 am

Right. No one said the National Guard can’t have them.

The Colonel May 19, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Shouldn’t have had to get that fast. Had the mayor allowed the BPD to do their jobs properly, it wouldn’t have.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 11:01 am

Ten times the cost?????
Gotta call BS on that one too O-6 type
I’m sure that the manufacturer of police supplies and their distributors are in line with DSA pricing.
if not the PD’s can pool their resources and get a single PO for the gear and distrubute it accordingly.
That’s what they need to be doing. None of this shit started till after 9/11 and the new Dept of Homeland Security started passing all this shit out. They’ve got HAZMAT suits and other stuff laying around taking up space after being idle for 10-15 years and lack of PM.
PD’s are no different from any other government agency, if someone’s handing out free (or nearly free) gear they’ll gladly take it and worry about what to do with it later. Then it usually ends up in the basement or some damn locker that nobody remembers what it is for.

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 10:48 am

Gotta call BS on that 0-6 type:
Police can still buy all the shit they need they just can’t (and more importantly SHOULDN’T) rely on sucking off the federal tit for it like they have since Dept of Homeland Security passed out all the hardware like so much candy. The shields????? fuck you can buy all you want from US Cavalry. Grenade launchers??–ever see a cop toting a M203? (the best small arm weapon EVER devised ImHO). the bean bag “shooters” are comerically available from police equipment manufacturers and tear gas “guns” have been around since what the 1930’s?????.Cops have had high powered sniper rifles for a long damn time and they don’t need Uncle Sugar providing them to their department(s) for taking some shithead out or bomb demolition 9there’s a difference between demolition and “disposal”
If I EVER see a cop toting a M203 that’s fucking it and that individual ain’t a cop any more but part of a paramilitary organizationan
I’ve got no problem with them taking surplus hardware (like a UH-1 Huey or 0-H6 Hughes “little bird” helicopters like Anderson,Greenville and Spartanburg counties received, own & maintain)
I’m sick and tired of cops strutting around with better gear than I had during Gulf i or II and acting like they are hot shit
You and I both know that the cops would gladly take a Cobra or Apache helicopter if the feds gave them one.
Long and short:
****If they want/need updated/specialized hardware, let the taxpayers of their town,city or state pay for it*******
More than likely though they will just get more agressive wth traffic tickets and siezure of property to get the gear they need.

truthmonger May 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm

Wow. What a whiny little bitch. Knows nothing, but talks lots of shit.

Nölff May 18, 2015 at 3:57 pm

This is how I imagine the bikers look like:

Right turn, Clyde

Rocky May 18, 2015 at 4:13 pm

Well, the fact is, if you as FC – he’d support our sending the 1st Infantry Division to Waco to bring peace and order.

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 4:26 pm

Two of the five biker gangs involved are centered around Armed Services Veterans from my understanding….so in a weird way they are already there.

Rocky May 18, 2015 at 4:50 pm

So think this through – five biker gangs to to a bar called Twin Peaks. One guy turns to the other and says “hey, want to look at girls and their boobs?” Other one turns and says “Nah, let’s fight with knives.”

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Boggles the mind.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm

The first “biker” riot in Hollister, California back around 1948 (which was the basis for “The Wild One” movie starring Marlon Brando) had a sizeable number of WWII vets as members..
I remember reading an article or two about it. One ‘biker” was quoted as saying: “Once you’ve been a ball turret gunner in a B-17, stocking groceries don’t cut it” – or words to that effect.

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:52 pm

So if you’re 5’2″ tall you only have two choices in life… ball turret gunner and stock boy?

sparklecity May 19, 2015 at 12:06 pm

For this guy it was.
There really was not much need for B-17 ball turret gunners after September 1945 and I can see where drinking, whipping ass and riding motorcycles after being a ball turret gunner is a bigger rush than stocking groceries…………………….
there is a bigger more serious side to this involving combat veterans and ‘adrenlin rush” It has been an issue with Gulf II vets but since you’re attempting to be flippant, I’ll go no further

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:50 pm

The television show Sons of Anarchy motorcycle club was fictionally based on Vietnam veterans. They are some upstanding folks, I’m sure the real gangs aren’t much different.

Why is it gangs rake in thousands of dollars in drug and other illegal activity money and live like single-wide trailer trash.

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm

“Why is it gangs rake in thousands of dollars in drug and other illegal activity money and live like single-wide trailer trash.”

That’s a good question. I don’t think I’ll be asking them anytime soon though.


easterndumbfuckistan May 18, 2015 at 4:26 pm

I’m I the only person on this thread that had never heard the term “breastaurant” and had to look it up to ensure I knew the correct meaning?

Now I know, it a Hooter’s, Tilted Kilt, etc. clone.

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 4:28 pm

To my surprise, it’s a franchise and there’s one in Columbia according to Google.

I imagine biker gangs hanging out in dirty bars/pool halls or strip clubs…not franchise breasterants…lol…oh well…I suppose I’m a victim of Quentin Tarantino.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:00 pm

There’s a Twin Peaks on Woodruff Road in Greenville. My best bud hangs out there. I’ve been a few times with him but it’s too damn expensive for my blood.
You really do pay for the “view” (the girls are easy on the eye and make the Hooter’s girls look like skanks); you have to be a dumbass not to know that before you saddle up to the bar.
I really don’t care about spending my hard earned mony there. Give me $1.00 PBR & $2.00 Blue Moon draft beers and “BOGO” wings on Tuesday at a joint here in Spartanburg any fucking day!!!
Twin peaks – Greenville is a very similar set up as in Waco (Cabella’s across the street, a mexican restaurant adjacent to Twin Peaks, shit load of big box and speciality stores,etc.) Seems like I recall them having a big sign for “biker’s night” too but i was never there when it was “biker’s night. IF they had a sign, I’ll bet that SOB has been taken down now,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Like everything else these days, one marketing area lay-out is basically the same across the country. Been to one, you’ve been to them all. There’s a reason they are situated where they are.

southmauldin May 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm

The nasty, tattooed white trash that works at Twin Peaks is hardly worth going there for. And I’m sure the quality of waitresses will take another nosedive once the Platinum skanks lose their jobs and start applying there. I only went to see Walt Deptula on Thursdays, and I felt sorry for all the guys pissing their money away.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:30 pm

Well, like the old saying (which I posted), “A fool and his money are soon parted”
Who is Walt Deptula?
Like I posted, I’ve only been there a few times cause my best bud hangs out there and I’d hook up then. I don’t think i’ve been there since last summer and really don’t care if i go back. My bud told me that strip club managers come in from time to time to recruit the real “lookers” at Twin Peaks- Greenville
The Twin Peaks (TP) bartenders were definately “lookers’ but like I said, my bud knows I really don’t care to go there so we usually hook up at Chiefs on Congaree (cheap wings & beer on Tuesdays) or Carolina Ale House (across the road from TP – wings aren’t discounted but are large and damn good & their beer is definately cheaper than TP’s!!).
I’m not a cheap SOB but ain’t into paying big bucks for ‘hotties” flashing their Ta-Ta’s to run up the tab and paying for so-so bar grub and over-priced beer.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:35 pm

Just once, I’d like to see a bar called “Skanks”
“Skanks'” adverstisement would say;
“Cheap Brew cause you don’t pay for the “view”
“Our wings are cheap – just like our barmaids”!!!

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:47 pm

I knew a girl who worked at Hooters years ago, they used to joke about the regulars who were typically losers who’d come in and spend that week’s paycheck to get a girl to talk to them. I’m sure Twin Peaks is not any different.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm

Actually that term has been around for a few years. Bloomburg Business magazine even had a 2-3 page article concerning “Breastaurant’s” a few years back.
Breastaurants = Sports Bars with a “view” (and brother you pay for that “view”!!!)
“A fool and his money are soon parted”

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm

now you’re not so dumb, are ya’ …. (heh – heh)

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm

I meant to reply to you not “TroubleBaby”
******please read below**********
Sorry for the “mis-click”!!!

TroubleBaby May 18, 2015 at 5:09 pm

No worries, it’s all good.

easterndumbfuckistan May 19, 2015 at 8:50 am

I guess I wasn’t paying attention when that phrase was coined. I’ve never been in a Hooters and I’ve been to Tilted Kilt exactly once. The view was nice but as you stated you pay for it. Not really my thing, much like strip clubs look but don’t touch isn’t my thing.

Hell if I wanna see a bunch of skimpily dressed 20 somethings I just go downtown and find a bench to sit on around USC and wait on the coeds go prancing around.

Photo Finish May 18, 2015 at 4:27 pm

Obviously we need more federal spending, on education, hug a thug programs, midnight softball, healthcare, housing, jobs and etc., so that these wayward youths will not turn to violence out of despair and lack of hope in a better future.

Krazy Kat May 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm

Hey! We just got a location in the Vista! Fire away!

Ken May 18, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Mark my words. In 5 years, no self-respecting person will go to the Vista. It will be thugs (of the black and white variety), the homeless, wannabes, and the loser that saves all week to buy the cheapest booze and food possible and then fights his way home, with either his date or a stranger as it doesn’t really matter.

Maybe 3 years.

Ken May 18, 2015 at 4:57 pm

I forgot about the car full of rural folk with guys sporting mullets and girls wearing tight white skirts (over big fat asses) dashing to the big city for a fancy drink and a piece of chicken on a stick before shaking booty till 12 am and then dashing back to the Burg for an early morning of picking chickens and doing nails.

Mic May 18, 2015 at 4:59 pm

I agree.

In 3 years we will think about the “breasturant” as the last classy place that opened in the Vista.

it is downhill for here. All downhill.

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm

Another of my ideas that never developed was to open a nice place for folks to hang out in. To keep out riffraff the proposed cover charges would be $20.00 for guys, and for gals it would be $ .50 but with a 10 drink minimum.

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 6:10 pm

You sir are a genius!!!!!
And i salute you for it!!!!!

shifty henry May 18, 2015 at 6:45 pm

— it could have been a rockin’ fun place!

euwe max May 18, 2015 at 7:08 pm

Big Bad Jesus

a bar for the 1%

virgin mary half price.

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:44 pm

Hell, you go there already and the waitresses are either black or heavily tattooed. The restaurant is nice, but the servers are all skanky.

Squishy123 May 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm

You mean like Jillians? I remember when white people used to go there.

SCBlues May 18, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Does this little ditty state the skin color of said bikers? I should hope so since all we are gonna read on here for about the next 10 years is about BLACK BIKE WEEK – eeeeeek!
And shouldn’t there at least be a balancing posting today about either Congressman Clyburn or SC State since these bikers were WHITE?!?!

FastEddy23 May 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm

YouTube search: Waco biker gang bang … lots of phone-cam work, some security cam stuff.

muggs,juggs and sluts May 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm

Reports are they identified themselves filthy,drug addicted boozers and pedophiles.They had a “Vote Democrat” booth in the parking lot with ugly women registering voters.

Buck Wheat May 18, 2015 at 5:39 pm

They had to be white.If they were black they would have looted the cash register and stole all the wings,ribs and booze before burning the place down.

Think About It May 18, 2015 at 5:19 pm

Can you imagine the damage these biker gangs could inflict upon the black drug infested communities of SC most populated areas?

sparklecity May 18, 2015 at 5:56 pm

Baylor is also the home of Baylor University & Texas State Technical College
Not a bad town actually and hate the rap it has gotten over the years. I’m sure this is the last thing Waco residents needed

idcydm May 18, 2015 at 6:28 pm

Thugs are thugs regardless location or race.

euwe max May 18, 2015 at 7:07 pm

Now, how would you know that?

idcydm May 18, 2015 at 7:23 pm

Observing actions.

nitrat May 19, 2015 at 8:39 am

I was in a barber shop in Berkeley county a few months ago when a SCDNR officer came in and was talking about a woman friend of the family who had gotten involved with someone who turned out to be a Hell’s Angel. The woman was terrified about trying to get out of the relationship. The SCDNR guy said Hell’s Angels are all over the Trident area and it is definitely organized crime.
Of course, in SC we only notice crime when the criminal is black.

GT & pogo MIA May 19, 2015 at 8:57 am

Interesting. The trolling is only mildly abrasive.

BT, no need to change up your game as a result. W can actually like you as a human being and it won’t hurt a bit.

Doh May 19, 2015 at 8:57 am

Should have been “We can actually like you …”

Cush May 19, 2015 at 11:04 am Reply

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