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Mike Pitts’ Pot Bill: A Sensible First Step

BUT SOUTH CAROLINA NEEDS MUCH BIGGER STRIDES …  By FITSNEWS || We’ve opined on numerous occasions in favor of legalizing drugs.  Why?  Because America’s ongoing war against them has been a $1.2 trillion failure – and because the resources this war continues siphoning from cops, courts and correctional facilities is money that doesn’t…

BUT SOUTH CAROLINA NEEDS MUCH BIGGER STRIDES … 

By FITSNEWS || We’ve opined on numerous occasions in favor of legalizing drugs.  Why?  Because America’s ongoing war against them has been a $1.2 trillion failure – and because the resources this war continues siphoning from cops, courts and correctional facilities is money that doesn’t get spent on more critical needs.  Or rebated to taxpayers.

More fundamentally, the notion of regulating what people choose to put in their own bodies in the privacy of their own homes is totally inconsistent with the most basic definition of American liberty.

Americans intuitively get this … yet sadly their leaders don’t.  Especially “Republicans,” who are supposed to be all about less government and more freedom (yet aren’t).

Here in South Carolina one GOP lawmaker – a former police officer – has sponsored legislation that would decriminalize marijuana.

His argument?

“I never once had to fight a pothead,” S.C. Rep. Mike Pitts told WSPA TV 7 (CBS – Greenville/ Spartanburg, S.C.)  “I never once had to chase a pothead.  They just did not create problems.  The only problems they created were for themselves.”

Exactly …

MIKE PITTS
MIKE PITTS

Pitts’ legislation wouldn’t make marijuana legal – it would simply turn simple possession charges into an offense on par with a traffic ticket.  Possession under an ounce would be a $100-200 fine for a first offense, and a $200-$1,000 fine for a second offense.

Amazingly, his bill is being opposed by S.C. State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) chief Mark Keel – who in addition to fighting this legislation is also working to undercut recently passed medical marijuana laws.

With all due respect to Keel, he needs to stop opposing common sense drug reforms … and start doing his job.   After all, last time we checked South Carolina was the most criminal state in the whole country … which strikes us as evidence that governor Nikki Haley‘s top cop doesn’t have his priorities in line.

Anyway …

Pitts’ law clearly isn’t the big-ticket reform South Carolina needs.  What South Carolina needs is a full legalization bill that treats marijuana and other drugs the same as alcohol – in other words, it doesn’t need to follow the lead of Colorado in attempting to tax pot to death.

Having said that, Pitts’ bill is a sensible first step.  More importantly, the comments this former lawman has offered in support of his legislation are worth heeding.

Worth dismissing?  The knee-jerk jack-bootery of the Haley administration … which wants to keep wasting your money (and keep the trial lawyer lobby in business) by preserving our state’s outdated, overbearing anti-drug laws.

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142 comments

Jeff deutsch December 21, 2014 at 2:39 pm

Its vital to immediately legalize Marijuana, especially for medical use.

The need to immediately, completely, legalize Marijuana throughout the world is one of the most pressing moral issues of our time.

More and more present and former members of law enforcement agree, and have formed a rapidly expanding group of current and former undercover cops, FBI, DEA, prosecutors, and judges, from all over the world called

LEAP — Law Enforcement Against Prohibition,

because they’ve seen the damage prohibition causes to America and the world.

For more information on LEAP, see http://www.leap.cc/

I’m a Scientist. Not a politician, not a cop.

But as a Scientist with a strong interest in Cancer research, I feel even more strongly about the need to ensure that no Cancer patient is denied it, because I’m so impressed with its benefits for Cancer patients.

I urge everyone reading this to PLEASE call and email the Attorney General, the press, Congress and the President today.

Medical Marijuana helps with Alzheimer’s, Autism, Cancer, seizures, PTSD and chronic pain, and has helped may Americans, including many veterans, stop using Alcohol, and hard drugs, both legal and illegal ones.

Every minute an American dies of Cancer.
Every 19 minutes an American dies of a prescription drug overdose.
Many vets become addicted to prescription opiates and die from them.

NOBODY has ever died from smoking too much pot.

Cancer patients are seeing remarkable results using high dose Medical Marijuana oil, in many cases achieving complete remission, even for stage 4 cancers — there are many excellent articles on the web, and videos on youtube with patient’s personal stories about their experiences with it — and every Cancer patient that uses Marijuana to ease their suffering benefits greatly from doing so.

It is immoral to leave Marijuana illegal, for anyone, for even a second longer.

For Cancer patients, its a matter of life and death.

Cancer patients can’t wait.

Medical Marijuana has an unmatched safety profile, and for people who suffer from so many diseases, of so many kinds, its a medical miracle — and the scientific evidence behind it is rock solid.

For Cancer patients, Medical Marijuana encourages apoptosis and autophagy of Cancer cells, while leaving normal cells untouched, is anti-angigogenic, anti-proliferative, and is anti-angiogenic.

Its also synergistic with chemotherapy and radiation therapy, making both more effective.

For many Cancer patients its meant the difference between life and death.

For everyone else, its a far safe alternative to Alcohol, and infinitely safer than Cigarettes.

Either take them off the market too, or legalize Marijuana right now.

2016 is too far away, Its too long to wait. Every year we lose more Americans to Cancer than died in WWII.

Between now and the 2016 elections, roughly 1 MILLION Americans will die of Cancer.

And Its a horrible way to die.

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John Boy December 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm

Way safer than alcohol and can be ingested in many forms.

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Yummy December 21, 2014 at 3:48 pm

Gummy Bears being the best.

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anon. December 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm

Legalize it, tax it and use the revenue for schools and roads. By far the greatest harm to marijuanna users is the legal system. Keeping it illegal continues to put money in the pockets of the cartels.

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Forgive me December 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm

Just nit picking, but the correct term would be “re-legalizing marijuana”. It was perfectly legal and grown all over the country until 1937.

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Foggy December 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm

For something that’s illegal and considered dangerous, I sure never had a problem procuring pot during the 25+ years I lived in SC. Rarely anything good, but easy to procure none the less.

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9'' December 21, 2014 at 4:40 pm

‘Rarely anything good’ ? Wish I’d known you back then.I used to grow some killer sinsemilla.Two hits,and it would knock your dick in the dirt

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Foggy December 21, 2014 at 4:53 pm

Had a couple buddies back in SC who grew some very decent cannabis. After visiting CO, though? Potentcy is through the roof. Hadn’t been that high since I was a teenager.

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jimlewisowb December 21, 2014 at 3:48 pm

Looking forward to the Christmas Eve when I can place a big batch of Pot Chocolate Chip Cookies out for Santa

Of course I will do the same with them that I currently do with the Cookies we leave out – get up around three, take a whiz, microwave a cup of Joe and eat the Cookies

The only difference is that Christmas should be a lot mellower

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Foggy December 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm

Recently returned from a visit to Colorado. What a disaster! Potted up zombies roaming the streets. Crime everywhere with out of control teens robbing anything that moves, just so they buy more devil weed. Forget trying to drive anywhere. The roads are clogged with wrecked vehicles driven left behind by their stoned drivers….

Just kidding!!! It was awesome! I didn’t notice any difference in everyday goings ons, except I could walk into a dispensary and buy all manner of excellent cannabis and smoke/eat it consequence free. Seems absolutely silly for it to be illegal anymore. It’s coming.

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9" December 21, 2014 at 5:51 pm

So,you had to go to Colorado to seek help for your medical condition? Get well,soon.

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Foggy December 21, 2014 at 6:07 pm

Recreational, son. Everyday life is my condition.

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9" December 21, 2014 at 6:12 pm

The doctor won’t prescribe a medical marijuana card for that…

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Foggy December 21, 2014 at 6:17 pm

Actually, they will.

9" December 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm

Busted

Foggy December 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm

Which is perfectly legitimate. Look at all the Moms on anti-depressants, opioids, and benzos for no other reason than dealing with everyday life. A couple tokes of cannabis is way safer for you and those around you than pills.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:26 pm

lol….only thing we have seen is Colorado becoming a ‘Republican’ state again.
You dumb fuckers couldn’t even win elections in the midterm elections by cheating and allowing mail-in ballots from illegals!

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$$$ December 21, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Sorry had to jump in…..
The only seat that switched to Republican was a senate seat on the federal level. Statewide republicans lost seats. Even the recall winners from last year got sent packing in El Paso and Pueblo counties. All republican led measures, including the so-called “personhood” bill were soundly rejected by the voters. As far as the voting through the mail goes, it’s the way every state should do it. Way more safe and secure than the electronic booths, that have been shown to be easily tampered with on numerous occasions, that SC uses. The ballot is mailed to you a couple weeks before hand. You fill it out and either 1.mail it back 2.Drop it off at a collection box 3. Return it in person or you can just go to a polling station on Election Day. After you turn it in, you can check online to see it has been accepted. If anyone tried to use your ballot, you would know and could contact the election board. Way more secure than those electronic machines where you never see your vote counted.

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Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 7:08 pm

KUSA – Democrats will no longer have control of the Colorado state Senate, according to a 9NEWS projection.

Republicans will gain one to three seats over the Democrats. It’s still too early to know exactly how many seats they’ll pick up.

The Colorado House may also go to the Republicans or remain under Democratic control. Votes are still being counted in several close races. Some of those contests are in the battleground counties of Adams and Jefferson.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/04/control-of-state-senate-shifts-to-republicans/18510077/

Smoking that dope is making you a liar.

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Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:21 pm

“The only seat that switched to Republican was a senate seat on the federal level.” The federal level means Washington, DC not the Colorado state legislature. If you don’t believe me then google it.

FastEddy23 December 21, 2014 at 7:15 pm

See? There is a silver lining to that cloud of smoke.

At this stage of enlightenment the legalization of dumbing down inducing drugs plays right into the “progressive” Fascists hands … ‘Problum is, their constituents are now angry at big g’ment taxes on pot and too stoned to find the voting booth.

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Just Sayin', Bitch December 21, 2014 at 7:19 pm

Apparently enough made it to the ballot box to legalize it…

Also, are you implying Republicans don’t smoke pot? Sorry, I forgot you guys prefer coke. Now, that’s one hell of a drug!

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Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:23 pm

It is not a D/R thing as much as it is a young and educated versus ignorant and elderly. The R’s are dominated by the latter but there are (some) young people in the Republican party which is why almost 40% of Republicans favor legalization.

anon. December 21, 2014 at 11:39 pm

Please define your term “progressive” Fascists… LOL!

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FastEddy23 December 30, 2014 at 11:22 am

Uh, that would be the power hungry political elitists and their clueless minions.

These power grubbing est-holes are constantly on the attack, dissing the center, the right and the tea parties with the single and significant purpose of controlling and growing Central Planning government(s) from the top down. The lies, finger pointing, divisive and diverting spew is always aimed at obtaining more power over the common man, the taxpayers, the media …

Example: Nancy Pelosi is a clueless minion of the “progressive” elitist Fascist movement, generally, and seems bent on championing the destruction of the US Constitution, too often prattling and tattling and spewing the Gruberized message of the NOW Gangsters and taxsucking bloated government Helots. (It may be the waters out here in the west.)

Wikipedia suggestions: fascism, progressive movement, Woodrow Wilson and Benito Mussolini, propaganda, Central Planning … est, Helots … as contrary to: Free Market, Austrian School Economics …

sparklecity December 21, 2014 at 10:35 pm

Good for you “IF” you are telling the truth…………….

Ain’t been to Colorado since around 1985 myself………….

Anyhoo…

“Chuckie” Wright (Spartanburg County Sheriff (who happens to be head of the SC Sheriff’s Assn) is DEADSET against any move to decriminalize reefer just like Keel…

They and like-minded “fuzz’ are scared shitless of losing bucks in drug busts and associated property confiscations associated with “reefer” plus “Chuckie” and Keel truly believe they have the moral high ground and will not relinquish their control over their blessed counties not unlike the old feudal times of past when the “high sheriff” ruled the land under their Lord!!!!

And the “Liberty-loving” TEA party lap up whatever they decree!!!!

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9" December 21, 2014 at 11:09 pm

He’s not telling the truth.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:29 pm

Foggy is telling the truth.

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9" December 22, 2014 at 6:50 pm

Regulars on this blog,have lost their credibility,and any respect I had for their intelligence.Up-voting this,and buying into your bullshit?I guess everyone in SC,is a white trash redneck,and gullible enough to believe anything they read…

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Be more specific December 21, 2014 at 3:55 pm

simple possession currently results in a summons – just like a traffic offense.

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What? December 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

Really? Maybe, after they take you to jail.

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Scrappy December 21, 2014 at 4:44 pm

And you have a drug conviction on your record, lose your job. Other than that, it’s just like a “traffic ticket”.

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:49 am

“With over 5 million people on probation or parole in the United States, drug use on parole or probation has become the primary basis by which thousands of people are returned to prison. These technical violations of parole or probation account for as many as 40% of new prison admissions in some jurisdictions.” – page 6

PROHIBITION IS A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY:

“The war on drugs has also generated indirect costs that many researchers contend have undermined public safety. The federal government has prioritized spending and grants for drug task forces and widespread drug interdiction efforts that often target low-level drug dealing. These highly organized and coordinated efforts have been very labor intensive for local law enforcement agencies with some unanticipated consequences for investigation of other crimes. The focus on drugs is believed to have redirected law enforcement resources that have resulted in more drunk driving, and decreased investigation and enforcement of violent crime laws. In Illinois, a 47% increase in drug arrests corresponded with a 22% decrease in arrests for drunk driving. Florida researchers have similarly linked the focus on low level drug arrests with an increase in the serious crime index.”

–Drug Policy, Criminal Justice and Mass Imprisonment, by Bryan Stevenson

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9" December 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm

This is the way to go. Decriminalization.With medical marijuana,you’re just asking for more bureaucracy and government control.If pot is decriminalized,and you’re stopped,the cop will probably let you go,especially if you let him have a few joints,first.

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Retired Cop December 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm

The old way of thinking is over, make it legal and tax it to fix our roads fix our roads, put more money towards schools and hire more State Troopers and also give them a pay raise god knows they need one with all the shootings this week.

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James December 21, 2014 at 4:35 pm

I agree, my neighbor was a trooper for a year and he quit over money and pay. Said he would have to go on food stamps if he wanted to stay and feed his family.

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Johnny December 22, 2014 at 8:35 am

The officers there are being questioned on every move they. I am surprised more have not left. They need to have a blue flu day and call their lawmakers.

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sparklecity December 22, 2014 at 9:42 am

I ani’t NEVER seen a SC High Patrol car parked in a trailer park but i personally know several troopers who live in some of the nicer developements on the west side of Spartanburg.
Years ago when you had to pay the fine on the spot, the trooper fined me $15. All I had on me was a $20 dollar bill. He said he couldn’t make change but woud be at his house for his lunch break and pay him there. I went down the road, got change for my $20 and went to his house which happened to be at Twin Lakes (which at the time was the most EXPENSIVE developement in western Spartanburg at the time.
A year or two later, I had to go to the DMV for something and had them check my driver’s record while i was there. Guess what???? NO Driver citation was on my record.
Everything I just posted is the gospel truth.
Don’t give me this shit about SC troopers living on food stamps

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Manray9 December 21, 2014 at 4:39 pm

Keel should stop worrying about pot and start investigating the liars, obstructors of justice and perverts at Bob Jones.

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Keel Over December 21, 2014 at 7:04 pm

Catching potheads is way easier.

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Manray9 December 21, 2014 at 10:43 pm

And a lot less costly politically.

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GrandTango December 21, 2014 at 5:21 pm

You want to outlaw God, and push more drugs, in a society that is killing cops, based on a president’s hate themes. Swirling down the toilet is not happening fast enough for you trashy Some Beeches…More decadence is NOT what we need to legislate….

The GET STONED mantra is liberal-tariansim at its most ignorant, and forceful…
One common denominator Liberals and Liberal-Tarians share, is selfishness, or self-centeredness.

You don’t give a D@*n how much you damage society, feeding your greed, vice and lust, is all that matters to you…

Go ask Colorado’s governor. He said legalizing marijuana was RECKLESS…like so many stupid Liberal ideas…they are for it, before they are against it, when it manifests badly….

You people are Dumb@$$#$…

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Midnight Toker December 21, 2014 at 5:54 pm

“It’s nice to hear the governor doesn’t actually think we’re reckless,” said Mason Tvert, communications director for the advocacy group Marijuana Policy Project. Prior to the passage of Amendment 64, Tvert pointed out, marijuana was sold by criminals in an uncontrolled, untaxed market. Now it’s sold by legitimate, regulated businesses.

“How is that taking a risk?” Tvert asked.

The rollout of Colorado’s new marijuana laws, while not perfect, has been largely deemed a success. Voters strongly supported the measure at the ballot in 2012 and have continued to support it. And within the regulated marketplace, teens appear to have been locked out from illegal purchases at dispensaries.

Tvert said ending marijuana prohibition in Colorado was “far less risky” than ending alcohol prohibition in the state more than 80 years earlier. “Voters in 2012 had far more data available about marijuana than voters in 1932 had about alcohol,” Tvert said. “It’s because voters took that ‘risk’ that the governor was able to attend the Great American Beer Festival last weekend and broadcast his love of alcohol to the world via Twitter.”

You look like a damn fool, GT. Why don’t you get the whole story befo…oh, fuck it, you’re too goddamn stupid…

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GrandTango December 21, 2014 at 6:13 pm

Always trying to spin…
And the truth is: the Dumb F*#ks who follow you…believe anything you tell them. That’s the country is in such a F*#king mess.

The Gov. spoke the truth…when he implied more Dope is a mistake.

And you prove one thing: Liberals hate honesty more than you hate real work, or using your money to help the poor….

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Midnight Toker December 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) said Tuesday his state’s recreational marijuana law is not “reckless,” as he called it a day earlier, but “risky.”

“Context is everything,” Hickenlooper said in a statement, first reported by International Business Times. “I was asked if I thought it was [emphasis Hickenlooper’s office] reckless to legalize marijuana in Colorado -– perhaps risky is a better word. While I believe it was risky for Colorado to be the first state to step away from a failed federal policy given all of the unanswered legal questions and implications, the adoption of Amendment 64 by Colorado voters sent a clear message to the federal government that marijuana should be legal and regulated.”

“Is it risky now?” the governor asked. “It is certainly less so. We have a robust regulatory enforcement system that would not have been possible without the partnership of the marijuana business owners, activists, law enforcement officials, regulators, parents, policy experts and stakeholders. Together we have worked tirelessly to ensure a safe and fair system that protects the public health, diminishes the underground market, and educates and keeps marijuana out of the hands of our children.”

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Midnight Toker December 21, 2014 at 6:32 pm

So, there you have it, Grand Dumbfuck.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:33 pm

Those that advocate legalizing drugs that destroy our communities are no different than the Taliban and ISIS.

Same result. Dead children.

Long Dong Silver December 21, 2014 at 6:37 pm

You’re an idiot, Sandi. I’ll find your children and give them some great shit I got down in Mexico…

Going away on biz soon??

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm

Always working.

Yeah, Right. December 21, 2014 at 6:45 pm

If you call trolling on Fits working…

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:49 pm

You sound like your jealous? Need a loan? Traveled all over the country this year. Cause I can.

Long Dong Silver December 21, 2014 at 7:04 pm

Cool. Maybe I’ll see you in FLA soon.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 7:13 pm

lol…I doubt it. Unless you are cleaning the pool or a landscaper.

Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:46 pm

Because you only hang out with pool boys and landscapers? I guess you like’em rugged and smelly huh?

God December 21, 2014 at 6:38 pm

You would like a Christian theocracy in the USA. You are the same as the Taliban and ISIS.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:51 pm

A Christian theocracy doesn’t sound bad before Jesus returns.

Santa Claus Is Coming To Town December 21, 2014 at 6:54 pm

Jesus returns?? Whatever gets you through the miserable life you have.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:57 pm

Sweet Jesus!!! Life is good!!! I figured Obama would save your liberal souls?

How did that work for ya???? LMAO!!!!!

Santa Claus Is Coming To Town December 21, 2014 at 7:00 pm

Religion is the biggest form of dope there is. Enjoy your one way trip to Heaven, dumbass.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 7:02 pm

ok

Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:44 pm

And if Jesus does return He will have but one word for a hateful bigot like Flip: DOWN!

God December 21, 2014 at 7:09 pm

You admit you are no different than ISIS. At least your up front about it.

grandtangosuglydog December 21, 2014 at 9:25 pm

LOLOLOLOL and you wonder why you are considered a total laughing stock…although you did manage to avoid Obama and anal sex for one comment. cheers to you sir.

Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:43 pm

Well you are in the wrong place then because those people aren’t here. This is a place where people are gathering to fight cannabis prohibition which has nothing to do with destroying communities or dead children. Maybe if you had an education you would know that.

$$$ December 21, 2014 at 6:37 pm

Hick made his money in the brewery business. Wonder why he might not want to paint the picture as rosy as it is? He would have made it sound worse, but he wanted to get re-elected. Smart man.

DenverVisitor December 21, 2014 at 6:58 pm

His Beer Garten directly across from the Denver Rail Depot has some Mahhhhhhhhhvelous brew. Unforturately, it’s not cheap.

Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:41 pm

Hickenlooper was never in favor of legalizing cannabis but when the voters of his state — who are after all his employers — gave him a mandate he followed their instructions and did a really great job. Was it perfect? No. He didn’t anticipate the problem with edibles, for example. But Colorado adjusted when they saw the problem and they moved forward. My congratulations to Hickenlooper for a job well done, and to the people of Colorado for showing the rest of the nation how things ought to be. Thanks again.

$$$ December 21, 2014 at 6:35 pm

Sorry, I’m enjoying some Critical Sensi Star right now. A hybrid strain that’s heavier on the sativa side. Gives me a nice euphoric and cerebral high. Perfect for laughing at ridiculous and completely ill informed comments, like your own. Is it getting more and more frustrating for you everyday? Watching the views you support being brought down and replaced by better and more acceptable ways of doing things. I personally embrace the way our society is headed. Good things are happening all over the country. Now, excuse me please, got to get back to this totally debilitating plant that’s ruining the society (except where it’s totally helping society, like here in CO.)

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Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm

You ain’t in CO. My guess is you live in SC and are sitting in your broken down car outside a Wal-Mart hoping that a Salvation Army volunteer leaves his/her ‘post’ so you can steal enough to buy a ’40’.

$$$ December 21, 2014 at 7:08 pm

Old Colorado City, west side of Colorado Springs, El Paso county. Would you like a picture of Pikes Peak? I could run to the kitchen window and snap one. It’s totally dark right now, so you’ll only see the light from the station at the zenith. I could run over to Manitou Springs and hit up Maggie’s Farm. Grab you some nice shatter and a rig. You could use it.

$$$ December 21, 2014 at 7:11 pm

40? Why would I drink shitty alcohol when I have easy and plentiful access to the best cannabis in the world?

$$$ December 21, 2014 at 7:20 pm

Oh shit, how could I forget! I could run up I-25 to the Focus On The Family headquarters! I bet you’re jealous of that ;-)

lbt December 22, 2014 at 12:12 am

Maybe so, but I am in eastern Colorado (Sterling). And out here on
the plains, the big problem is the whole place smells like cattle urine. Legalize pot, criminalize it…I don’t care. But you’re an idiot if you think it matters.

sparklecity December 21, 2014 at 10:45 pm

Give it to me Rush……..Give it to me Rush

Fill me full of your manhood!!!!!!

I’m coming,I’m coming,I’m coming,I’m coming

ARRAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:43 am

Trying to control each and every thing that 350 million people do with their bodies is not small government, so kindly stop pretending to be a conservative. Your brand of fake-conservatism has much in common with socialism.

If you support prohibition then you are NOT a conservative.

Conservative principles quite clearly are:

1) Limited, locally controlled government.

2) Individual liberty coupled with personal responsibility.

3) Free enterprise.

4) A strong national defense.

5) Fiscal responsibility.

Prohibition is actually an authoritarian war on our economy and Constitution.

It’s all about market and cost/benefit analysis. Whether any particular drug is good, bad, or otherwise is irrelevant – as long as there is demand for any mind altering substance there WILL be supply; THE END! The only affect prohibiting it has is to drive the price up while increasing the costs and profits – and where there is illegal profit to be made criminals and terrorists thrive.

The cost of criminalizing citizens who are using substances similar but no more harmful than those that are perfectly legal—like alcohol and tobacco, is not only hypocritical and futile, but also simply not worth the incredible suffering and damage it causes.

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$$$ December 21, 2014 at 6:17 pm

Thanks for worrying America, but we’re doing great with legal cannabis in CO. I get a sales tax refund next year thanks to pot tourism. Come visit today!

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Thank you for the invitation amigo!

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Everybody December 21, 2014 at 6:11 pm

This is what happens when you DO NOT smoke pot. You become an angry, confused, mentally inferior, sexually frustrated person who sits around all day typing insane dribble on comment boards. Don’t let your children suffer the same pathetic fate as GrandTango. Just say ‘Yes!’

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GrandTango December 21, 2014 at 6:14 pm

Cause: We have to deal w/ you STONED, brainless @$$#$…

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Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm

By FITSNEWS || We’ve opined on numerous occasions in favor of legalizing drugs. Why?
Read more at https://www.fitsnews.com/2014/12/21/mike-pitts-pot-bill-a-sensible-first-step/#3UbDFqCClXdYV2Uq.99

How could a father advocate for legalization of drugs?
I guess the same way a mother could advocate for killing her own unborn child?

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Everybody December 21, 2014 at 6:24 pm

Oh fuck, your dumbass is here too? Please, go have yourself aborted now.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm

When will you liberals and librartariantards figure out that aborting children, men sticking the penis in a man’s ass and being doped up all day on weed, destroys families and communities?

Everybody December 21, 2014 at 6:41 pm

You sound like you’re speaking from experience? Don’t pretend to be straight and you won’t destroy your family next time.

Flip Coscoe December 21, 2014 at 6:53 pm

My family is just fine. A lovely wife , children and grandchildren.

grandtangosuglydog December 21, 2014 at 9:23 pm

the anal sex thing ..well its back…its ALWAYS in your comments..hmmm i wonder why??????….go flip..dont change..nothing but Obama and anal sex for you..

malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:57 am

William F. Buckley was for the legalized regulation of all drugs.

Here is a short excerpt from a statement he gave In 1995, to the New York Bar Association:

“I HAVE spared you, even as I spared myself, an arithmetical consummation of my inquiry, but the data here cited instruct us that the cost of the drug war is many times more painful, in all its manifestations, than would be the licensing of drugs combined with intensive education of non-users and intensive education designed to warn those who experiment with drugs. We have seen a substantial reduction in the use of tobacco over the last thirty years, and this is not because tobacco became illegal but because a sentient community began, in substantial numbers, to apprehend the high cost of tobacco to human health, even as, we can assume, a growing number of Americans desist from practicing unsafe sex and using polluted needles in this age of AIDS. If 80 million Americans can experiment with drugs and resist addiction using information publicly available, we can reasonably hope that approximately the same number would resist the temptation to purchase such drugs even if they were available at a federal drugstore at the mere cost of production.”

William F. Buckley—”Why Drugs Should Be Legal”

Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 9:01 pm

We will figure that out when it becomes true, which is to say never duh.

Uh huh December 22, 2014 at 9:05 pm

I thought bombs/drone strikes destroyed families & communities.

Huh, who knew is was anal sex? You obviously I suppose. Kudos.

malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:54 am

“The path we are on now (war on drugs) will destroy our free society” those were Milton Friedman’s words. Go on; I dare you to claim he was a Liberal! That is how a true conservative thinks; you are simply a fake conservative!

You’re complicit in destroying the constitution and all that it stands for, and you still dare to call yourself a conservative. So what is it in fact that you believe you’re conserving? American organized crime? The American Gulag? Or the American corruption of public officials? You can’t possibly be that stupid. You can’t possibly be that unaware to the fact that you’re actually complicit in promoting the destruction and/or corruption of every cherished American institution while attempting to vilify those of us who are rallying in their defense.

For shame on you sir!

Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Most people are advocating for the legalization of cannabis, which technically speaking not a drug as it is a plant. And of course parents in particular — especially parents of teenagers or almost-teens, should be especially vocal about demanding an end to cannabis prohibition. Keeping cannabis illegal jeopardizes our teens by forcing cannabis sales into the black market where kids can more easily obtain it and where they are exposed to other more dangerous drugs. The experiences of the Netherlands, Portugal, and Colorado clearly demonstrate that a legal and regulated cannabis market is more effective at keeping cannabis away from kids than prohibition and the black market could ever be. If for no other reason, cannabis should be relegalized for the sake of our children.

Everybody December 21, 2014 at 6:23 pm

I come off way more sane and intellegent than you ever will. While I’m stoned, so less.

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sparklecity December 21, 2014 at 10:42 pm

Oh, Rush………

You’re such a MAN!!!!!

Lemme give you some more VIAGRA to prove what you do for me!!!!!!!!

Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,OH,Oh,

I’m gonna come for ya Rush!!!!!!!!!!

Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh,……………….ARRRAGH!!!!

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sparklecity December 21, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Rush…………

You’re my man and I want to be your bitch!!!!!

I’m gonna come for you Rush…make me come!!!!!!

I’m coming,I’m coming,I’m coming, I’m coming, i’m coming,I’m coming…ARRRRAGH!!!!!

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:52 am

The University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada recently reviewed 15 studies that evaluated the association between violence and drug law enforcement. “Our ?ndings suggest that increasing drug law enforcement is unlikely to reduce drug market violence. Instead, the existing evidence base suggests that gun violence and high homicide rates may be an inevitable consequence of drug prohibition and that disrupting drug markets can paradoxically increase violence.”

Here is Julien Codman’s testimony (he was a member of the Massachusetts bar) given before the Senate Hearings of 1926:.

“we will produce additional evidence on this point, that it is not appropriate legislation to enforce the eighteenth amendment; that it has done incredible harm instead of good; that as a temperance measure it has been a pitiable failure; that it has failed to prevent drinking; that it has failed to decrease crime; that, as a matter of fact, it has increased both; that it has promoted bootlegging and smuggling to an extent never known before”

“We believe that the time has come for definite action, but it is impossible to lay before Congress any one bill which, while clearly within the provisions of the Constitution, will be a panacea for the evils that the Volstead Act has caused. We must not be vain enough to believe, as the prohibitionists do, that the age-old question of the regulation of alcohol can be settled forever by the passage of a single law. With the experience of the Volstead law as a warning, it behooves us to proceed with caution, one step at a time, to climb out of the legislative well into which we have been pushed.”

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:53 pm

Cannabis use is supported by the Bible, starting in the Book of Genesis and continuing well into the New Testament. Just because you are superstitious and uneducated with regards to cannabis does NOT make it sinful or ungodly. However, rushing to judgement and condemning your neighbors is a sin in the eyes of God and your Day of Judgement will come.

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urbantrout December 21, 2014 at 7:27 pm

If the dopers want to legalize something, why not opium? The buzz is a hell of a lot better than pot. Weed doesn’t even make you feel good…..but you will watch a hourlong infomercial on food blenders in rapt fascination…..that show you how evil the shit is.

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 5:01 am

Here’s some info on the Swiss Heroin-Assisted-Treatment program (HAT) —legally regulated (pure) heroin acquired through government channels.

At the end of 2009, 1356 patients were undergoing HAT at 21 outpatient centers and in 2 prisons.

HAT is now being carried out at centres in Basle, Bern, Biel, Brugg, Burgdorf, Chur, Geneva, Horgen, Lucerne, Olten, Reinach, Schaffhausen, Solothurn, St. Gallen, Thun, Winterthur, Wetzikon, Zug, Zürich and in two prisons Oberschöngrün (canton Solthurn) and Realtà (canton Graubünden).

Results

In many cases, patients’ physical and mental health has improved, their housing situation has become considerably more stable, and they have gradually managed to find employment. Numerous participants have managed to reduce their debts. In most cases, contacts with addicts and the drug scene have decreased. Consumption of non-prescribed substances declined significantly in the course of treatment.

Dramatic changes have been seen in the situation regarding crime. While the proportion of patients who obtained their income from illegal or borderline activities at the time of enrollment was 70%, the figure after 18 months of HAT was only 10%.

Each year, between 180 and 200 patients discontinue HAT. Of these patients, 35-45% are transferred to methadone maintenance, and 23-27% to abstinence-based treatment.

The average costs per patient-day at outpatient treatment centers in 1998 came to CHF 51. The overall economic benefit – based on savings in criminal investigations and prison terms and on improvements in health – was calculated to be CHF 96. After deduction of costs, the net benefit is CHF 45 per patient-day.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:42 pm

I think @urbantrout was trying to be a smart aleck. Interesting how you turned it around though; good job!

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:40 pm

Most dopers aren’t interested in cannabis legalization one way or the other. They have other problems to worry about. Cannabis users and taxpayers are the ones who support legalization. And of course parents.

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Jeff deutsch December 21, 2014 at 7:29 pm

Its time to end the insanity.
We need to legalize Marijuana immediately.
Marijuana is a “Gift from God” for anyone who has Cancer and helps for a wide range of other conditions, and its incredibly safe — nobody has ever died from smoking too much pot.
An American dies every minute from Cancer.
People with Cancer Can’t wait.
And its a horrible way to die!

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urbantrout December 21, 2014 at 7:44 pm

See kids? Pot makes you stupid.

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:48 am

In response to passage of California’s medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuana’s medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, “Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana.” The report also added, “we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting.” The government’s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government “loves to ignore our report … they would rather it never happened.” Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:50 pm

Well what’s your excuse? Jeff appears to write coherently and to offer cogent arguments that are relevant and supported by the data. What have you offered except insults and lies?

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urbantrout December 22, 2014 at 11:08 pm

Have you ever been around anyone in the end stages of metastatic cancer? Their pain is agonizing, and can only be somewhat abated by the strongest of morphine derivatives …not some burning weed rolled up in a paper. Jeff is cogent? “Marijuana is a Gift from God” ?yeah that’s rational…..he’s just a pothead trying to use others suffering to justify his habit.

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Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm

Jeff is cogent and the Bible supports his statement:
Then God said, “Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food.

Regarding metastatic cancer, cannabis often does help. And if taken in the right form (as an oil extract) early enough it can often reverse cancer and kill tumors. (This is supported by science and not just hyperbole by the way.) Eventually though everybody will die and cannabis will not prevent that. The fact that it is not the best pain killer to use in every imaginable scenario is hardly the point, especially given the precise and horrifying scenario that you paint. Nevertheless, even then cannabis can have an indirect benefit because during earlier stages it often is powerful enough to help patients avoid opiates or use them in reduced amounts. This could help them avoid building up a tolerance to opiates so that when the time comes the opiates will at least ease their passing more effectively.

coolhandluke December 21, 2014 at 7:48 pm

FITS, being one of the top states in the USA has not much to do with South Carolina ranked that high and you should know this. Sadly, the culture of about 30% of the population is the real reason and I don’t think it will change in my or your life times.

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Jeff deutsch December 21, 2014 at 8:19 pm

Its disappointing to see so many posts by people who support continuing the failed policy of Marijuana prohibition — they seem devoid of logic, reason, and compassion.

I can understand the passion of people who want to end prohibition, but not that of people who want to continue it.

Everyone should look at the website of LEAP – Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.They are current and former members of Law Enforcement, DEA, FBI, Customs, Prosecutors, Judges, and the former heads of the DEA’s of other countries.

Starting many years ago, they realized that the “War on Drugs” was actually Prohibition all over again with all of the same problems that it had the first time, and they speak from experiences that only people who have been in Law Enforcement and seen the harm its misuse can do to society can.

They deserve the appreciation of all Americans for taking a brave stand on the biggest moral issue of our time, long before it was fashionable.

Throughout America, police departments have a policy of not invading or arresting middle class Marijuana users. Now is the time to first extend that practice to Americans of all income levels, and most importantly, to end Prohibition once and for all.

http://www.leap.cc/

My particular passion is for Cancer patients. I’ve seen too many people die of Cancer, and dying of Cancer sucks — ask anyone doing it.

The white house comment line is (202) 456-1111 and you can email the President at whitehouse.gov by going to their website and clicking on “contact us”

You can find your Senator and Representatives on the web and they have phone numbers and email as well.

Email them and call them.
Then call the NYT, WP and every other major newspaper.

Every minute an American dies of Cancer.
And its a horrible way to die!

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9" December 21, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Seems like I’ve read this,before.It’s still bullshit.You have no idea what you’re talking about,but potheads really get into your psychobabble..Like I said,before,my sister died a year ago from cancer.She loved pot,but didn’t want any,while she was dying.Morphine was the drug of choice.I’m all for legalization,but man up,and realize this is about recreational usage.Most physicians would find it unethical to provide an unquantified substance,like marijuana,so people can get stoned.Decriminalization is the best way to go..

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:46 am

The following [psychobabble] is taken directly from the US government’s National Cancer Institute website:

* ANTI-TUMOR EFFECTS

One study in mice and rats suggested that cannabinoids may have a protective effect against the development of certain types of tumors. During this 2-year study, groups of mice and rats were given various doses of THC by gavage. A dose-related decrease in the incidence of hepatic adenoma tumors and hepatocellular carcinoma was observed in the mice. Decreased incidences of benign tumors (polyps and adenomas) in other organs (mammary gland, uterus, pituitary, testis, and pancreas) were also noted in the rats. In another study, delta-9-THC, delta-8-THC, and cannabinol were found to inhibit the growth of Lewis lung adenocarcinoma cells in vitro and in vivo. In addition, other tumors have been shown to be sensitive to cannabinoid-induced growth inhibition.

Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis and metastasis. Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.

In an in vivo model using severe combined immunodeficient mice, subcutaneous tumors were generated by inoculating the animals with cells from human non-small cell lung carcinoma cell lines. Tumor growth was inhibited by 60% in THC-treated mice compared with vehicle-treated control mice. Tumor specimens revealed that THC had antiangiogenic and antiproliferative effects.

There is far more there on anti-tumor effects but I’m limited here due to commenting restrictions.

* ANTI-INFLAMMATORY EFFECTS

In addition, both plant-derived and endogenous cannabinoids have been studied for anti- inflammatory effects. A mouse study demonstrated that endogenous cannabinoid system signaling is likely to provide intrinsic protection against colonic inflammation. As a result, a hypothesis that phytocannabinoids and endocannabinoids may be useful in the prevention and treatment of colorectal cancer has been developed.

* ANTIVIRAL PROPERTIES

Another study has shown delta-9-THC is a potent and selective antiviral agent against Kaposi sarcoma-associated herpesvirus (KSHV), also known as human herpesvirus 8. The researchers concluded that additional studies on cannabinoids and herpesviruses are warranted, as they may lead to the development of drugs that inhibit the reactivation of these oncogenic viruses. Subsequently, another group of investigators reported increased efficiency of KSHV infection of human dermal microvascular epithelial cells in the presence of low doses of delta-9-THC.

* APPETITE STIMULATOR

Many animal studies have previously demonstrated that delta-9-THC and other cannabinoids have a stimulatory effect on appetite and increase food intake. It is believed that the endogenous cannabinoid system may serve as a regulator of feeding behavior. The endogenous cannabinoid anandamide potently enhances appetite in mice. Moreover, CB1 receptors in the hypothalamus may be involved in the motivational or reward aspects of eating.

* AS A PAIN KILLER

The understanding of the mechanism of cannabinoid-induced analgesia has been increased through the study of cannabinoid receptors (endocannabinoids), and synthetic agonists and antagonists. The CB1 receptor is found in both the central nervous system (CNS) and in peripheral nerve terminals. Similar to opioid receptors, increased levels of the CB1 receptor are found in sections of the brain that regulate nociceptive processing. CB2 receptors, located predominantly in peripheral tissue, exist at very low levels in the CNS. With the development of receptor-specific antagonists, much additional information about the roles of the receptors and the endogenous cannabinoids in the modulation of pain has also been obtained.

Cannabinoids may also contribute to pain modulation through an anti-inflammatory mechanism; a CB2 effect with cannabinoids acting on mast cell receptors to attenuate the release of inflammatory agents, such as histamine and serotonin, and on keratinocytes to enhance the release of analgesic opioids.

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You Know My Name December 22, 2014 at 12:06 am

Fitsnews and pro-legalization people, don’t hold your breath just yet. This is, after all, Mikey Pitts you are speaking of. Let’s hope he doesn’t pull the same crap with this as he does with boring regularity regarding pro-gun legislation he endorses or introduces.

Mikey regularly introduces or endorces pro-gun legislation, only to sabatoge it with various amendments designed to poison the well, later on.

I hope he is serious this time but would not trust this piece of shit any further than I could throw him.

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:38 am

Cannabis sales continue to shift to the legal market in Colorado

Source: Colorado Department of Revenue

Violent crime has decreased in Denver with recreational legalization:

“According to data from the Denver Police Department, violent crime (including homicide, sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault) fell by 6.9% in the first quarter of 2014, compared with the same period in 2013. Property crime (including burglary, larceny, auto theft, theft from motor vehicle and arson) dropped by 11.1%.”

[Study: Marijuana legalization doesn’t increase crime. MSNBC. 2014]

Compared with the same time period in 2013, in the first six months of 2014 violent crime is down overall by 3%, with murder down by 38%, sexual assault down by 20% and robbery down by 5.3%. Property crime (including burglary, larceny, auto theft, theft from motor vehicle and arson) dropped by 5%.

Medical cannabis has been easy to get in Colorado for years. It did not result in “skyrocketing DUI fatalities” as many feared:

“From 2006 to 2011, traffic fatalities decreased in Colorado 16 percent”

The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact. Rocky Mountain HIDTA. 2013.

Early reports show a possible decrease in fatal accidents after legalization:

“The number of fatal crashes also dropped 25.5% from 2013 to 2014 during the first quarter”

—The Great Colorado Weed Experiment. New York Times. Aug 2, 2014.

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malcolmkyle December 22, 2014 at 4:59 am

Here follows an extract from “Notes on Democracy” by Henry Louis Mencken, written in 1926, during alcohol prohibition, 1919-1933:

The Prohibitionists, when they foisted their brummagem cure-all upon the country under cover of the war hysteria, gave out that their advocacy of it was based upon a Christian yearning to abate drunkenness, and so abolish crime, poverty and disease. They preached a [crime, poverty and disease free] millennium, and no doubt convinced hundreds of thousands of naive and sentimental persons, not themselves Puritans, nor even democrats.

That millennium, as everyone knows, has failed to come in. Not only are crime, poverty and disease undiminished, but drunkenness itself, if the police statistics are to be believed, has greatly increased. The land rocks with the scandal. Prohibition has made the use of alcohol devilish and even fashionable, and so vastly augmented the number of users. The young of both sexes, mainly innocent of the cup under license, now take to it almost unanimously.

In brief, Prohibition has not only failed to work the benefits that its proponents promised in 1917; it has brought in so many new evils that even the mob has turned against it. But do the Prohibitionists admit the fact frankly, and repudiate their original nonsense? They do not. On the contrary, they keep on demanding more and worse enforcement statutes — that is to say, more and worse devices for harassing and persecuting their opponents.

The more obvious the failure becomes, the more shamelessly they exhibit their genuine motives. In plain words, what moves them is the psychological aberration called sadism. They lust to inflict inconvenience, discomfort, and whenever possible, disgrace upon the persons they hate, which is to say: upon everyone who is free from their barbarous theological superstitions, and is having a better time in the world than they are.

They cannot stop the use of alcohol, nor even appreciably diminish it, but they can badger and annoy everyone who seeks to use it decently, and they can fill the jails with men taken for purely artificial offences, and they can get satisfaction thereby for the Puritan yearning to browbeat and injure, to torture and terrorize, to punish and humiliate all who show any sign of being happy. And all this they can do with a safe line of policemen and judges in front of them; always they can do it without personal risk.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm

“Prohibition has made the use of alcohol devilish and even fashionable, and so vastly augmented the number of users.”

I can attest to the parallels here! Cannabis was practically unheard of except in scattered minority communities until they criminalized it. Now it’s everywhere. In the Netherlands on the other hand cannabis use is de facto legal and kids there use it at rates way lower than here.

If kids are your concern than relegalization it what you should be calling for.

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Steven A. Smith December 22, 2014 at 7:11 am

I don’t know exactly what Pitts’ job was, but tell that to the family of Trooper Mark Coats’ family. Mark was killed over a couple of ounces of Marijuana in a traffic stop in Jasper County, November 20, 1992.
I worked with Chief Keel for years and he is right for opposing any legislation involving legalization of drugs and Representative Pitts should be ashamed of himself and I hope someone opposes and dewars defeats him in the next election.

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GrandTango December 22, 2014 at 7:46 am

Great comment. I think redefining marriage has the kooks, druggies and anarchists at a fever pitch. Obama, Holder and Mayor Diablo crucifying police officers is not helping either.
These Dopers speak trash….if you care about the future, you better fight them. We cannot afford any more decadence and ignorance to prevail.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 9:17 pm

Cannabis is going to be relegalized, and for good reason:

‘God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill
the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over
the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the
earth.”

Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is
on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding
seed; it shall be food for you;
and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every
thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green
plant for food”; and it was so.…

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GrandTango December 23, 2014 at 12:30 pm

There is a lot of speculation that drug use is causing more defects in offspring of users. The Autism rate is astronomical, and can it be linked to pot?

You are some Selfish Pieces of S#!t to put getting a head, ahead of babies. But that is typical.

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Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:16 pm

The autism rate is astronomical because they’ve changed the definition multiple times and each time it encompasses more people. In the meantime, they have found numerous causes; for some the evidence is pretty damning and for others it is still quite speculative. But in answer to your question “can it be linked to pot” the answer is no. It is not linked to pot, except that some parents are using cannabis extracts to treat their autistic children. But that’s not what you were asking is it? There is no evidence that cannabis use during pregnancy is harmful to the baby and some that it is actually helpful, although I for one would advocate abstinence during pregnancy as with alcohol and tobacco. (Alcohol and tobacco by the way are both proven to cause harm to babies but we don’t outlaw them.)

I understand why you are so frustrated that you have to resort to foul language. You obviously don’t know a single thing about cannabis and yet you instinctively rail against it anyway out of superstitious fear of the unknown. But it doesn’t have to remain the unknown; you obviously have access to a computer so why don’t you educate yourself on this issue instead of presenting yourself to the world as an uneducated and ill mannered old fool? (While you are at it look up autism in Wikipedia. You should make a habit of using these types of resources before you post your obscenity-laden diatribes and then maybe you wouldn’t have to admit defeat by name calling.)

GrandTango December 23, 2014 at 2:42 pm

So you’re saying it’s OK for mothers to SMOKE IT UP while pregnant. Ain’t that telling….LMAO…

You people ABSOLUTLELY amaze me…and the bigger shock is that the Stupid buy into your ignorance.

Going on personal experience, and some in the public domain…A LOT of the people – an inordinate amount – of the people I know w/ autistic children use drugs…

One of the most successful strategies of the left is to convince their followers to believe your contrived and absurd lies, instead of using their own common sense and connection to reality.

Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 3:10 pm

It is certainly no more reckless than using alcohol or tobacco while pregnant, which some women do, but I did specifically write that I would not advocate it. Those were my exact words. On the other hand I certainly wouldn’t lock anybody up for either which is what you would want to do. It is not hard to see who stands on the moral high ground here. (Hint: it’s not you.)

I trust your own personal experience and the rumors you’ve heard precisely not at all, but let’s hypothesize for a moment and say that yes a lot of people who use cannabis also have autistic kids. That does not mean that cannabis causes autism; it doesn’t even IMPLY that cannabis causes autism. The idea that it might is built on the same logical fallacy as the gateway theory. However, since autism often appears to run in families and since cannabis has been shown in studies in both the US and Europe to be an effective treatment for autism it is likely that the parents are self-medicating with cannabis to treat their own symptoms, possibly without even consciously realizing it.

Again, this is something you would ALREADY KNOW if you weren’t too lazy to do your own research. To quote the words of Dr. Bernard Rimland, “Early evidence suggests that medical marijuana may be an effective treatment for autism, as well as being safer than the drugs that doctors routinely prescribe.”

Read more: http://www.autismsupportnetwork.com/news/autism-treatment-marijuana-madness-8763721#ixzz3MkmXUyA3

Or you could actually use google yourself and get a half a million more links. Here is the URL for google: http://www.google.com

Are You Fucking Serious? December 22, 2014 at 7:58 am

IF as you say, Trooper Coates was murdered because of 2 oz of pot (not because he happened to stop a vicious asshole), would his family really like to see more families go through the same pain as they and their loved ones over such a trivial “cause” as 2 oz of pot?

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Are You Fucking Serious? December 22, 2014 at 8:02 am

I will agree with you that someone needs to oppose and defeat this charlatan, Mike Pitts, but for other reasons, however.

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GrandTango December 22, 2014 at 7:46 am

I think redefining marriage has the kooks, druggies and anarchists at a fever pitch. Obama, Holder and Mayor Diablo crucifying police officers is not helping either.

The country is in a state of chaos, which is exactly what the Devil loves…and the idiots and fools, who only want to get high and live in Stoneville…are as emboldened as they ever have been….

It’s time to stand up. they are shooting down the law in the streets…we are losing the country to the degenerate, irresponsible, unaccountable and criminal. These Dopers speak trash….if you care about the future, you better SHUT them up. We cannot afford any more decadence and ignorance to prevail.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 9:13 pm

Cannabis users are not dopers.

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 9:21 pm

It is not we who redefined marriage. The idea that marriage could only be between one man and one woman only started here in the USA around 1890. Look it up.

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RogueElephant December 22, 2014 at 9:45 am

I say decriminalize pot. Like alcohol. That would free up the people to do as they wish and more importantly make the prison industrial complex shape up. As long as we have corrupt politicians / lawyers / cops (at various levels) making criminals every day we have a self perpetuating tax bill we can no longer afford. It would also save many good people from having a criminal record. Thus making it easier to get jobs.

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GrandTango December 22, 2014 at 10:16 am

Rouge Elephant, they are running a ruse. Alcohol is bad, but is not NEARLY as damaging as marijuana. Pot is a gateway drug, and its users are prone to no-good and irresponsibility. With Obama, the government already sponsors too much lethargy, and anti-empowerment dogma.

And when the lung caner rate skyrockets, you know who will have to pay for their bad behavior. They are not going to, because they will not work…

Not to mention the level of crime it brings w/ it. These are not honorable people. Not the kind you want to get in bed with. Decadence is already prevailing…

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Dusty Relic December 22, 2014 at 8:47 pm

OMG what a bunch of delusional hyperbole. Cannabis is NOT a gateway drug; this is proven by literally reams of research, some of it sponsored by the government with the goal of “proving” that cannabis is dangerous. Meanwhile, your claims about lung cancer are equally pathetic because cannabis use — even when smoked — does not lead to lung cancer. (You might be thinking of tobacco which truly is dangerous and leads to about a half a million deaths per year versus zero for cannabis.) Of course crime is not associated with cannabis use and in Colorado crime rates went down once pot became legal. You spout pure and unadulterated nonsense; not one thing you wrote is even remotely true. I suspect you are a troll posting slander to provoke a response.

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9" December 23, 2014 at 8:32 pm

For vulnerable people,marijuana can trigger a psychosis. I’ve dealt w/many..

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Dusty Relic December 24, 2014 at 9:29 am

The rates of psychosis in the population have remained steady despite rising and falling rates of cannabis usage. These data directly and emphatically refute the notion that cannabis use causes psychosis.

The anecdotal evidence you cite is likely people trying to self-medicate; it backfires when they get a strain that is too rich in THC and too low in CBD, so instead of ameliorating their symptoms it exacerbates them. This of course is just another argument for legalization. In places like Colorado people know what strain they are getting and what the cannabinoid ratios are.

anon. December 23, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Grand Tango, ask any police officer how many violent Pot Parties they’ve broken up. I have and the answer is always “ZERO.” Alcohol, a depressant, is the “gate way” drug, if you believe that nonsense. As for your statement that “users are prone to no-good and irresponsibility” how do you know that? Since the main ill effect of Marijuana is contact with the legal system, wouldn’t the responsible thing to do is be quiet about your use? THC can be consumed in many ways other than smoking, so Lung cancer isn’t a concern.
Like the true liberal that you are, when you don’t like something, you want to stop everyone from doing it, while us conservatives just don’t do it.
You enjoy your Moonshine and have a Merry Christmas!

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GrandTango December 23, 2014 at 4:10 pm

You did not answer my question: wasn’t the Gentle Giant EFFED-Up on pot when he attacked Officer Wilson???

Also: The things children feed themselves to rationalize getting what they want.

POT is BAD. It’s BAD for you. It causes social and HEALTH problems, that you will come running to me to repair, after you F*#k up…We DON’T Need any more VICE, sanctioned by the government.

Spoiled and ignorant Children have to be told “NO” sometimes. It’s time to tell you to sit down and STFU…

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anon. December 23, 2014 at 11:05 pm

The metabolites of THC stay in ones system for up to 30 days and shows nothing about current impairment. So to answer you “Gentle Giant” question, I have read no autopsey information indicating that he was “EFFED-Up” at the time of his attack on the police officer. As far as your statement “POT is BAD. It’s BAD for you. It causes social and HEALTH problems, that you will come running to me to repair, after you F*#k up…We DON’T Need any more VICE, sanctioned by the government” are we to believe you because you say so? What facts are you citing? How many deaths have been atributed to cannabis use? ZERO. What social and health problems are you speaking of?
Liberals are passionate and prone to name calling as you so aptly prove, while we conservatives use logic and facts.
In the spirit of Christmas, I forgive you your ignorance and name calling…just please, please stay off the Moonshine!

GrandTango December 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

Getting F*#ked out of your gourd is irresponsible. Most pot smokers are habitual (they use it EVERY DAY.)

And you CANNOT run pot smoke through your system and think it is not harmful. You’re an idiot to even suggest it is not damaging. But like Global Warming or Obamacare, you pay NO attention to reality…you just stick w/ your propaganda and cite your self-generated and self-serving “research” and a substantial number of stupid people believe it.

Dusty Relic December 24, 2014 at 11:03 am

Gosh you just make stuff up don’t you?

According to the US government, 25.8 million Americans smoked cannabis in the past year.

· 10.6 million users smoke marijuana about six times a year
· 4 million users smoke marijuana once or twice a month (about 18 times a year)
· 2.3 million users smoke marijuana about once a week (about 52 times a year)
· 3.4 million users smoke marijuana about twice a week (about 104 times a year)
· 5.4 million users smoke marijuana almost daily (about 300 times a year)

So about one fifth of all cannabis smokers smoke cannabis “amost every day”. Which means you lied.

Also, there is NO research that shows cannabis when used in moderation by adults is harmful. None. And this is after the government has spent decades throwing millions of dollars into research proving how harmful it is. But they keep coming up empty handed. In fact they have even found that cannabis smokers who don’t also smoke tobacco are slightly less likely than nonsmokers to get lung cancer (probably due to cannabis’ known cancer-fighting properties).

It is very hypocritical of you to reject tons of independent research from all over the world as “self-serving” when you yourself cite no independent research at all; instead you just spout off unsubstantiated accusations and then call everybody else “stupid”. Interestingly, as is the case with most prohibitionists, an analysis of your writing skills indicates that you’ve probably just misidentified precisely which side in this debate is composed of “stupid people”.

anon. December 24, 2014 at 12:24 pm

Well said, Dusty Relic! Just think GrandTango, our two votes more than cancel yours…

Dusty Relic December 24, 2014 at 11:10 am

There is no evidence that the deceased was on cannabis at the time that he was slain. His friend who was a witness to Brown’s murder testified that he was with Brown all day and Brown had not used marijuana (although they were planning to do so). No evidence was ever introduced to contradict this testimony.

Soft Sigh from Hell December 22, 2014 at 6:41 pm

I tried to try marijuana once but I couldn’t get it through the needle.

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Dusty Relic December 23, 2014 at 2:48 pm

Do you hang out with the former Senator from PA Rick Santorum? He is always smokin’ mushrooms…

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theequalizer December 22, 2014 at 10:22 pm

He’s a crook. He had a house burn down twice. What are the fucking chances of that?

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Soft Sigh from Hell December 23, 2014 at 7:13 pm

Maybe he smokes in bed.

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Brad Ramsey January 7, 2015 at 2:10 am

All it boils down to is that any type of law enforment, or anything of that type don’t won’t marijuana to be legalized because they scared its gonna cut funding ect. Also, they scared they gonna have to get up off there butts & do some real work like busting more crack, meth, & herion, ect heads to meet there quota. That’s all it boils down to. They all know USA has changed & think its time to end prohibition. They prob even think its right to end prohibition, but they not gonna tell U that. Its all about politics, money, & getting a name for their self. And that’s really sad!!!

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