FORGOTTEN DOCUMENT, LOST COUNTRY …
By FITSNews || On September 17, 1787, thirty-nine delegates to the United States’ Constitutional Convention affixed their signatures to the document that initiated the American Republic.
The first to sign? George Washington – the Revolutionary War hero and first president of the fledgling country.
Was the document perfect? Of course not … it would be another four years (December 15, 1791, to be precise) when ten articles of amendment were added to the Constitution. These articles later became the first ten amendments to the document (a.k.a. the Bill of Rights).
On these amendments – and the limitations and separations of power contained in the original Constitution – rested the foundation of what became the greatest, strongest, most prosperous nation in the history of human civilization.
Note the past tense there, if you will …
Today America celebrates “Constitution Day.” Except not really. No schools are closed. No federal offices are shut down. And there’s no mainstream media offensive recalling the principles upon which our country began its march into history.
And why should they? Those principles are dead .
Even before last year’s domestic spying scandal broke, we penned a column exposing the federal government as the “Evil Empire.” Little could we have imagined what the next year-and-a-half would hold.
It’s been said those who forget the past (a.k.a. tyrannical repression, taxation without representation, usurpation of fundamental liberty, etc.) are doomed to repeat it.
Remember your past, America.
And remember the limitations of government intervention – be it around the globe, in our economy or in our personal lives – are never truly dead unless we give up on them in our hearts. And become unwilling to fight and die for them.
“Someday somewhere, someone may find out the damned truth,” former New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison once said. “We Better. We better or we might just as well build ourselves another Government like the Declaration of Independence says to when the old one ain’t working – just – just a little farther out West.”
He then invoked the words of Edward Abbey, who wrote that “a patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government.”
Amen to both …
Remember your past, America … or else we will continue to repeat our mistakes.
Pretty mindless crap. SCPSD has a piece on Harvest Hope Food Bank going on Life Support in Obama’s MISERABLE Economy. Sadly, the people who idolize Obama, are suffering at his hands more than anyone.
But when Bush was president I donated my tax rebates W sent to the poor. I bet a few of those hungry people are thinking how good they had it, when us producers could make a decent living, instead of like it’s screwed up now.
Today’s a Wednesday.
Yes, and to close out the week—
Sep 17>> National Apple Dumpling Day
Sep 17>> Citizenship Day
Sep 17>> Constitution Day
Sep 18>> National Cheeseburger Day
Sep 19>> International Talk Like A Pirate Day
Sep 19>> National Butterscotch Pudding Day
Sep 19>> POW/MIA Recognition Day – (Third Friday of September)
So, talk like a pirate while eating butterscotch pudding and remembering prisoners of war?
My sister and her husband (a Chief Aviation Boatswains Mate) were among the first to wear the POW/MIA bracelets – she is still wearing hers today.
Those who don’t eat cheeseburgers on National Cheeseburger Day are doomed to McNuggets…
Interesting quotes at the end there Will, one from an envirokook who advocated ecoterrorism and the other from a conspiracy theorist with a tenuous touch with reality. Neither of whom would be considered a strict constitutionalist.
Should we return to the original document and enure we follow it? OK. State legislatures will elect US Senators. Women will not be able to vote. Etc. The Constitution is a living document and as such undergoes either wording changes or (more likely) new interpretations. However, Sic Willie, your bff T-Rav and you are free to leave and go establish a country that were you can create your brave new world.
I think we should go back to senators being appointed by the legislature. Their long terms allow them to do what they want for four or five years then shift to “vote getting mode” just before elections. One would think that a state legislature would have a longer memory than the average voter. I’d also go back to the traditional requirements for voting, namely having achieved adulthood (generally 25 +-) and being a property owner. Allowing people to vote who have no skin in the game gets you populist office holders who given to win votes rather than to preserve the United States.
By property, do you mean just real property?
I’ve gone back and forth on that but I think any “taxable” property would qualify so a car, land, house etc would be sufficient.
That would sure suck for individuals living in NYC that can’t afford to buy a place or garage a car.
That’s one of the quandaries, perhaps the standard should be “taxpayer” vice “property owner”.
Otherwise you risk giving those subsidized by government paychecks, but not officially “on the dole” a vote…which is disastrous for similar reasons as the current model.
Exactly, defense contractor and those who own shares in companies that do defense contracts should not have the right to vote. People who work for the government and earn more than they pay in taxes, like say members of the military should not have the right to vote. They are takers.
A bunch of damn Democrats.Who cares about them?
A bunch of damn Democrats.
HYMIES!! Hymies living on land stolen from Native Americans!!!
*Looks around wild-eyed*
I know Republicans think rich people should run the country, but this is the most arrogant BS I have heard in a long time. Just because a person can’t afford enough property for you to think he is important does not mean he is unimportant, has nothing to contribute, and has no “skin in the game.” Since when does property = skin. Everybody has their life and liberty on the line. Isn’t that real skin.
That was the argument used against poor people and minorities in the in the latter part of the last century. They are poor people, why do they need to be educated or why should we listen to them. They are good for nothing except working in factories, fighting wars, and cleaning houses.
For that matter, why should a person be forced to defend a country when he can’t even vote. Citizenship is meaningless if you can’t vote. You have no rights if you can’t vote.
If rich people want to run the country then let them defend the country. Stick a rifle in David Koch’s hands and drop him in the Iraq desert. I am guessing we would have no wars at all if billionaires start get hauled out of their wall street towers and deposited on the streets of Kabul. So maybe I’ll go along with your rich people get to make the decisions as long as we add a corollary to your voting rule. You can’t vote if you don’t own property and only voters can fight wars. After all, with great power comes great responsibility. I know I’m not interested in fighting any war some asshole on Wall Street voted to send me to without my input.
Or hey, why don’t we just make a rule that people in the military can’t vote? . Sounds like a good way to keep the military in check to me. I know I would be much more comfortable if you could not vote.
Soooooo…your contention is that universal suffrage and the popular election of Senators keep us out of stupid wars?
I don’t understand the comment.
Don’t worry.He doesn’t either.
Pray tell, please expound.
I don’t understand the comment.
“For that matter, why should a person be forced to defend a country when he can’t even vote. Citizenship is meaningless if you can’t vote. You have no rights if you can’t vote.
If rich people want to run the country then let them defend the country. … I know I’m not interested in fighting any war some asshole on Wall Street voted to send me to without my input.”
TBG’s point was that, despite the fact that we now live in your “Power to the People” democratic utopia, not a whole lot has changed for the better with regard to *national defense.*
I’d gladly give up my right to vote if in return I didn’t have to pay taxes and fight in wars.
Good for you, you’re a natural born servant. Not me!
You like paying taxes, and you call me the servant?
lol, you’re a fool
Taxes are a necessary part of civilization. I enjoy many things brought to me by taxes. I do not want to live in a wilderness with no roads, airports. police. You don’t either. You just want taxes to go for what you want and not for anything else. Paying taxes does not make me a servant. I derive benefits from the taxes I pay. The only question is what level is reasonable for the benefits provided.
Those who would give up their right to participate in government for money are natural born servants.
” I derive benefits from the taxes I pay.”
Oh, I’m sure you do.
” Paying taxes does not make me a servant.”
Yes it does.
You derive benefits from the taxes you pay as well. No one truly believes we can live in a nation without taxes.
“No one truly believes we can live in a nation without taxes.”
“You derive benefits from the taxes you pay as well.”
Nope. I have no doubt that if I wasn’t stolen from, the people that I would pay to render services like roads & police privately would do a much better job for far less.
Why do you live in this country? You are an anarchist. Move to some place where there is no effective government. The society you crave would be an uncivilized nightmare. The only reason you live in this country is because you benefit from living here, and that is because we are civilized and taxes pay for that civilization.
More of the countries history existed without income taxes then with…try picking up a book now and then.
False equivocation on your part.
Since you equate taxes with civilization, why don’t you move to someplace with higher taxes?
Dumb response. I never said democracy would end war. But it does mean the people who fight get a vote. Unlike under the Colonel’s system. Actually I said if we required the billionaires to fight there would be no war.
I never said democracy would end war. But it does mean the people who fight get a vote. Unlike under the Colonel’s system.
Aside from sounding good, in this particular instance, what exactly does it accomplish?
Because we would fight a lot more wars if the only people voting were the ones that would benefit from the war without being required to fight it. Like say the owners of oil companies, or the defense contractors. The only reason we are not going back into the middle east right now with guns blazing and hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground is the general public is tired of war.
As SOAD popularly sung,
“Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?”
For us more, uh..seasoned commenters ….
Funny though, some of the most brilliant political minds agreed with me until liberalism began to take hold. Where’s that got us?
Where has that got us?
Government which derives its power from the consent of the governed. You remember that rule of just government don’t you?
I am very happy with the modern world. The 19th century was a hell hole for most Americans. The golden age of America was the 20th century, not the 19th Century. That is when most of our people achieved liberty, and we rose to our greatest period of wealth and power.
As for those “brilliant” political minds who agreed with you; it seems they were largely rich white men, who did not want to see their power diluted and structured the government accordingly. They spoke eloquently of the virtues of eliminating aristocracy and representative democracy; but in their hearts they feared the people and the loss of power and privilege. Under their system 75% of the people in the country could not even participate in the running of the country. They were second class citizens or slaves. Cannon fodder or worse.
We as a people rejected the system they established for a system that was designed to bring liberty to all and not just for the rich and powerful.
Read a few of Teddy Roosevelt speeches for god sakes. Get out of your world inspired by J. P. Morgan wannabes, like the Koch brothers. Education makes us equal. Money and who your family is are no longer the only measures of a man.
T.Roosevelt was a progressive socialist as was his cousin Franklin.
He was a progressive he was not a socialist. He believed to save capitalism and democracy the power of the American oligarchs had to be curtailed. He believed unless the common man was allowed to grow and participate in the bounty of the nation, revolution was inevitable. I agree. Without the Roosevelts we would most likely live in something similar to modern day Russia, if we were a nation at all.
I would agree that during his white house years he was just a progressive and that he was probably in the top ten or so for effective leadership. After he foolishly stepped down without seeking re-election, he began to creep further and further towards socialistic tendencies.
You don’t understand.To a Republican,”progressive ” and “Socialist ” mean the same thing.
…”progressive ” and “Socialist ” mean the same thing.
Usually a pretty safe bet…
More than a safe bet…ask them to differentiate the two and sit back and laugh.
The joke is watching the far right’s inability to understand what a socialist is or read history other than that fed to them by the Fake News Network, Beck, Rush and their ilk.
I have absolutely no problem differentiating between Socialist and Progressives, but you probably lack either the education to understand or the willingness to listen.
I’m partial to form extensions to correct deficiencies in the framework.
No, its not. And that is why its hard to have a reasonable conversation with the right in this country.
Always beware of a Republican who claims to know about “history.”
The golden age of America was the 20th century, not the 19th Century…
How’s the 21st century looking?
I am an optimist. I think the 21 century looks grand. I wish I could be around for more of it. We are on the verge of unbelieveable scientific discoveries, in physics and medicine. We just need to get two groups out of the way. The naysayers who think government has no role in science (The vast majority of great science has come with government backing) and the people who want to keep all the discoveries for themselves. .
This nation turned down the opportunity to build the worlds largest particle accelerator here. The cost to the taxpayer was too high. The Europeans built it. The payoff has been unbelievable. We have discovered more about the nature of the universe in the last 20 years than we have in all of history. We need an even larger collider here, and the government needs to build it.
I am an optimist.
That, you are.
I wish I could be around for more of it.
You and TBG, both.
The main difference in us is that you focus on all the good that strong governments can accomplish…while TBG, more of a Jeffersonian) fears all the bad that strong governments can do.
You are a democrat. TBG is a republican. (Note lowercase letters).
TBG views democracy as “Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.”
Per your own example, do you really think the *uneducated, unwashed masses* are going to vote for a Really Large Hadron Collider, when they can vote themselves more public largess, instead. Now you’ll probably say that they would if “properly educated.” But…who determines what “proper education” is?
Eventually, to meld quotes by two *progressives*, politics comes down to “Who? Whom?” and the barrel of a gun. Hence, TBG’s distrust of big government.
I am a great admirer of Jefferson. But in the days of Jefferson we lived in an agrarian society. Available land for farming and forests for hunting were essentially limitless; and most of us were subsistence farmers, able to survive with little help from our neighbors. With urbanization that all changed. We can no longer go back to the simple concepts of the man in the wilderness. We must live together. Living together requires cooperation and cooperation requires government. Therefore we must construct government that focuses on benefiting the most of us, if we are to avoid the type of government urbanization brought to Europe in the middle ages.
I believe if Jefferson were alive today he would be a progressive. He believed in educating the public and the equality of men. While he feared the power of government, he feared the rise of aristocracy more.
Typical Republican response.
Noooo, don’t tell me you’re a Democrat. They say that all the time.
I think we should go back to senators being appointed by the legislature.
Sen. Harrell and Sen. Leatherman
US Sen. Harrell and US Sen. Leatherman
No, folks, I think reverting to the previous system would have a positive impact on the state legislators. I think it would cause the voters to scrutinize the names on the ballot boxes — and hopefully shrink their jockstraps at the same time. Certainly something to bat around the old cracker barrel.
I think it would cause the voters to scrutinize the names on the ballot boxes
What makes you think that? We’re about to reelect Graham and Haley. You’re going to need some extra strength pixie dust to magically transform the voting public’s awareness in this state.
Term limits for all.
Stop electing PEOPLE, people!
I could make a case for robot’s running our government.
I nominate sex robot for President:
I’m voting total ” R ” and James Metts, along with a nice frag for you !
Thanks Deo, your articulate views always add so much to the conversation.
You’re stalker rarely disappoints.
My inner stalker radar has found a null.
Most Republicans would.
One would think that a state legislature would have a longer memory than the average voter.
One would think that a state legislature would have deeper pockets and a much higher corruptibility than the average voter. State legislators have a smaller price tag when it comes to moneyed interests, have a tendency towards gerrymandering, are more likely to play good-old-boy politics, etc.
It amazes me that anyone can look at our very own State House and honestly say “Man, it would be great if those guys picked our Senators!”
However, Sic Willie, your bff T-Rav and you are free to leave and go establish a country that were you can create your brave new world.
Did you go to Logic class with GrandTango? It is you “living document” types that are bringing on “your brave new world”.
The document includes a method to “live in the here and now”, we call that process amendment. It was intentionally made difficult to prevent stupidity like prohibition.
OK. Cruel and unusual punishment. What does that mean? Does it mean the same thing to everyone? No. So interpretations have to be made. Does the interpretation made say in 1890 mean the same as the interpretation in 2014? I doubt it. That is what I meant by that statement.
TBG, no retort?
You and TBG both know that TBG wasn’t talking about minor quibbles over the definition of “cruel and unusual punishment.”
If you are on the receiving end of said punishment it ain’t “minor”.
My attempted point was/is that all documents are subject to revision and/or new interpretations as time marches on. Somehow I don’t think the founders envisioned computers, the internet, TV, or even indoor plumbing.
It’s not like DNA is some kind of “living document” … or holy writ, or … well.. you get my drift.. those who are doomed to … when the going gets ugly, the ugly… when the ellipses run out… the…
State legislatures will elect US Senators.
A lot of Republicans actually want to go back to this. Senators elected by popular vote makes the Senate immune to gerrymandering.
After carefully weighing my options and not wanting to put my freedom in jeopardy every time I visit my family or friends I’ve decided to renounce my American citizenship and live where I can be free. – Thomas Ravenel
To ban all felons ownership of a Henry rim fire squirrel rifle who not only did not use a weapon in the act of committing a violent felony, any felony is reason enough to either flee the home of the despotic and land of the those detained for no crime what so ever without habeas corpus and miranda rights. The most reasonable solution is to stay, and do not post a comment until you see the red in the faces of these unconstitutional hoards who violate their oaths to our Constitution and vote every single law breaking elected official back to Main Street before they destroy our republic.
Interesting choice for re-location.I assume it’s homage to the fact that Lincoln wanted to send all the emancipated slaves there?
If you want a reasonable facsimile of what South Carolina is without the US Constitution, look no further than acting Sheriff Lewis McCarty over at Lexington County. Do not let that fair skin complexion fool you. Underneath that thin skin is a reptile as two faced, psychotic, and psychopathic as are his peers, counterparts, and contemporaries. Able to exploit a criminal act in a single press release, he was indicted bad guy Sheriff Metts’ left hand during the last 45 years of lawful masturbatory bliss beguiled by their partner in ejaculation, Solicitor Donnie Meyers. Easily enraged when his desires are thwarted, he represents a time capsule of the worst South Carolina was/is and yet, embraced by the current subculture of schizotypal deputized miscreants, is the poster boy for present and future law men in their antiminarchism where the high ideals of protecting individual rights the government has subverted, they joyfully pervert even more. Their role is an agent of its citizens whereas citizens “have no rights except the rights delegated to it by the legislature” then act in a partial manner according to specific, subversively defined laws they enforce, they interpret, they prosecute in the field for nothing less than sadomasochistic adrenaline rushes using any means illegally to carry out their granted authority by covering up facts or capriciously creating facts and weights out of thin air. Where is their oath? Where is the US Constitution? Where is the Bill of Rights?
Law enforcement is a higher noble calling, if carried out lawfully with high regard to the Constitutional rights of all involved. If to enforce bad laws written by equally wicked legislators is the job description, how can freedom and liberty loving flag waving constitutionalists carry forward the intent and subjectivism of unlawful laws with a straight face? They can’t. By definition, a sworn in Sheriff, Deputy, Solicitor, Governor, Judge or Legislator can not possibly be a coward. Nor can they be an enemy to the very people and constitution they serve. Quite possibly that answer lies elsewhere.
To lack empathy with sadistic fantasies is only one layer of qualities exhibited by our law enforcers and legislators. Possessing powerful sadistic traits, these “people” such as McCarty, Santiago, Lott, Keel, Metts, Williams, Wilson, Harrell, Leatherman, Sanford, Haley, Hood, Sheheen, Ervin, and Meyers along with their proteges and contemporaries, often severely socially anxious, they strike citizens as odd while creating an internal world where they are superior beings thinking about themselves as gods. These people are not just self-centered with significant social deficits, they can not understand why citizens hate them since they feel as they are the “victims” of the very hate and malicious disregard they exhibit towards citizens in violation of their oaths whence the true victims, citizens, channel back to them in the form of primitive mammalian acts of self preservation. Embracing victims of crime only if the occasion protects the familial, collegiate, or career wise connected in advancing their inward delusions while simultaneously spitting on every other right, victim, detainee is their calling card. I am not finished.
Citizens can never accept this mentally ill ruling class and their enforcers to spite the founding documents they perverted for their own selfishly narrow purposes. Their response? Military grade weapons, tanks, kevlar body armaments, drones, sniper rifles to protect them from the justified bitter reactions to their defamatory press releases, prosecutorial misconduct, phony internal investigations, shammed grand juries, evidence gathered illegally, evidence tampering, illegal shootings, extremely harsh sentencing, trampling of constitutional rights all congenitally maligned to their misperception that humanity is just like them and the constitution is in their way!
These people think their ill gotten and illegal actions will transform humanity. It is these bizarre attitudes they carry that has mutated humanity into a “prisoner in their own home” mentality to suit their purposely created fascist state of existence. Their narcissistic entitlement, delusions of grandeur, paranoia, masochistic obsession with their own suffering, devastating envy, and sadistic fantasies of vengeance all result in horrific acts of violence against unarmed citizens and those detained by their unlawful enforcement of unlawful laws passed in the darkness betrayed by lobbying money that remove not only the context and intent of our founding documents, but also replaces our Creator with a civil god, them.
My apology, Thomas, but you exceeded the limit of three words per comment I have to find in my dictionary…
Real simple, left click-drag your cursor over a word, then right click selecting “search for…”. Typically you will be brought to a dictionary spelling and definition if Google is your default search engine. Social media has made such a mess of democracy it ain’t funny. ;)
The SC Supreme Court ruled autopsies as medical records unavailable to information requests. Why? “The 4-1 ruling ends a lawsuit filed by The Sumter Item newspaper that had been seeking the medical examiner’s autopsy report of a Sumter County man who was fatally shot by a police officer in 2010. Sumter County Coroner Harvin Bullock argued the report was a “medical record,” meaning it was protected by the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA).
Attorneys representing the newspaper argued that HIPAA protections did not cover 25-year-old Aaron Jacobs, who was killed by police after they said he drew a gun on them during a carjacking investigation. The newspaper was eventually able to get the autopsy findings from a different source and noted the findings were inconsistent with police reports of the incident.
A state judge sided with the coroner’s office in 2012. The Supreme Court agreed Wednesday, saying autopsy reports fall under the traditional definition of “medical record.”
“(A)n autopsy, which is performed by a medical doctor, is a thorough and invasive inquiry into the body of the decedent which reveals extensive medical information, such as the presence of any diseases or medications and any evidence of treatments received, regardless of whether that information pertained to the cause of death,” Justice Kay Hearn wrote for the majority.
“This is the type of information that would necessarily be contained in medical records when a person is alive. We decline to allow a person’s death to change the nature of the record into one subject to disclosure under the (Freedom of Information Act).”
However, the lone dissenting judge Costa Pleicones argued state law does not prohibit the release of autopsy findings. Pleicones wrote the law specifically requires an autopsy “be furnished upon request to any party to whom the cause of death is a material issue.”
Sumter Police stopped Jacobs in September 2010, saying he matched the description of a carjacking suspect. Police said Jacobs pulled a gun and fired at them. But The Item eventually received a copy of the autopsy from the State Law Enforcement Division that showed Jacobs did not have gun residue on his body (meaning he likely never fired) and was shot in the back” then shot twice in the back of the head.
The release of officer involved shooting autopsies is illegal yet it is ok to tell the world of other autopsies related criminal acts was just too much for me to remain silent. Acting Sheriff McCarty, after first embracing then exonerating the adulterous wife, Amber Jones at a press conference then turned around to parade the father for a bond hearing knowing full well charges are incomplete and lacking jurisdiction that belongs to the 11th Circuit Judge exclusively making known the alleged killer of those five innocent kids is on suicide watch most likely splayed naked with hands and feet bound on a concrete slab or atleast naked in a padded cell. Then this acting Sheriff with 50 years of routine gets up and damn near released preliminary autopsy reports on how those kids died in direct violation of the July ruling, not for closure, but for sensationalism. These people routinely fuck over their constituents as a matter of convenience in direct violation of their oaths. Happy Birthday, US Constitution indeed?
Fits is merciless on Haley, Graham, and Swinney, but what about George Washington.
Washington’s selection a Commander was based more on politics than military skill. New Englanders thought having a Virginian would encourage Southern support.
He never commanded more than 1200 soldiers. He lost more battles than he won.
He was a crony capitalist, paid by the government for land surveying and using the inside information to make land deals.
Washington plied voters with beer, whiskey, rum punch, and wine on election day.
He was a snob when it came to mixing with what he considered the lower classes.
From age eleven in 1743 until his death at sixty-seven in 1799, Washington (and his wife Martha Washington) owned Africans and their descendants as slaves.
George Washington wore his pants way too tight.
What’s your point? Washington was probably the best president ever and we ALL owe him a debt of gratitude for our freedoms. You wear your pants too tight….GeezLouize…
Washington was probably the best president ever and we ALL owe him a debt of gratitude for our freedoms.
oh, come ON!
Don’t we owe *anything* to Rudolf the red nosed reindeer?
It isn’t our fault the insurance company considered his red nose a “preexisting condition.” Personal responsibility, bootstraps, etc.
I am mocking fits one sided attacks on others.
You forgot to use the $arca$m font.
Would those freedoms be the same ones that Middle Easterners hate us for?
You forgot the part about paying for the teeth of slaves, ostensibly for use in his dentures.
Just thought I’d help out.
The problem with this country is the people.
Well, it’s official – Folks’ shit is completely lost. One doesn’t come back from quoting Jim Garrison.
Kinda dead over here. We got a GREAT piece up on SCPSD: entitled: GOP lays down with dogs, gets up with Sanford
Sanford is in the news, but of course FITS hands are tied on that one, like they are on so many compelling topics. SCPSD is free to cover whatever is attractive to readers.