Remember the U.S.S. Maddox? The ship – an Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer – was laid down on October 28, 1943 and commissioned in the U.S. Navy the following spring. After being decommissioned in 1969 it was sold to Taiwan, renamed the Po Yang – and eventually decommissioned (again) and scrapped in 1985.
Forty years ago, though, this ship was at the center of a global storm – the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This “attack” by Vietnamese torpedo boats led the U.S. Congress to pass the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, giving then-U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson unlimited authority to act in defense of Southeastern Asian nations threatened by “communist aggression.”
A decade later, nearly 60,000 Americans had been killed in the Vietnam War.
Here’s the funny thing, though: The main “attack” against the Maddox – alleged to have occurred on August 4, 1964 – never happened. That’s right – it never happened. It was a creation of American intelligence – specifically the National Security Agency (NSA).
In fact the NSA’s own historian recently concluded that the agency “deliberately falsified intercepted communications in the incident to make it look like the attack on Aug. 4, 1964, had occurred.”
Even Johnson himself joked after the attack about how “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
Wow …
The NSA fought for four decades to keep this information secret, by the way … another comforting thought to bear in mind as they rife through your personal emails, internet searches, online chats, phone records and other personal information.
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Not surprised.
I don’t trust a word the federal government says
So which government do you implicitly trust?
1 Samuel 8
Not surprised.
I don’t trust a word the federal government says
So which government do you implicitly trust?
1 Samuel 8
On what planet does a super-secret spy organization just blab “the truth” about what they do and have been doing?
Pardon me if I harbor suspicions that you would not have been so outraged had these disclosures come during a Republican administration.
Actually there was an attack.
On what planet does a super-secret spy organization just blab “the truth” about what they do and have been doing?
Pardon me if I harbor suspicions that you would not have been so outraged had these disclosures come during a Republican administration.
Actually there was an attack.
It’s not that big a deal…first this information was out some time ago…just not widely disseminated. McNamara admitted this years ago.
Second, it was just small gov’t lie that ended up killing 58 or so thousand Americans and 400,000 or so gooks and wasted 686 billion 2008 dollars.
USA! USA!
Get on board and wave the flags people, or you are a bad American.
It’s not that big a deal…first this information was out some time ago…just not widely disseminated. McNamara admitted this years ago.
Second, it was just small gov’t lie that ended up killing 58 or so thousand Americans and 400,000 or so gooks and wasted 686 billion 2008 dollars.
USA! USA!
Get on board and wave the flags people, or you are a bad American.
I trust Tom Clancy.
I trust Tom Clancy.
Further reading:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm
Also: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54/106.html
The next shoe to drop hopefully, the cult surrounding the supposed necessity to drop the a-bomb during WW2:
“In 1945 … , Secretary of War Stimson visited my headquarters in Germany, [and] informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act…. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and second because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’ The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions.”-Dwight Eisenhower
Further reading:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm
Also: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54/106.html
The next shoe to drop hopefully, the cult surrounding the supposed necessity to drop the a-bomb during WW2:
“In 1945 … , Secretary of War Stimson visited my headquarters in Germany, [and] informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act…. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and second because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’ The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions.”-Dwight Eisenhower
Where are the shrill screams of “conspiracy theorist!”?
Where are the shrill screams of “conspiracy theorist!”?
One thing Liberals and Conservatives mostly agree on: This spying on citizens has got to stop, NOW!
One thing Liberals and Conservatives mostly agree on: This spying on citizens has got to stop, NOW!
My math may be wrong but 1964 to 2013 is a bit longer than 4 decades
My math may be wrong but 1964 to 2013 is a bit longer than 4 decades
NSA did not fight for quite four decades to keep this secret. I was able to obtain from NSA about 31 years after the events, through the Freedom of Information Act, texts of five crucial documents that very seriously undercut the argument that there had been an attack on August 4, 1964.
NSA did not fight for quite four decades to keep this secret. I was able to obtain from NSA about 31 years after the events, through the Freedom of Information Act, texts of five crucial documents that very seriously undercut the argument that there had been an attack on August 4, 1964.
I really can not say what I think about what’s going on in our Country. I would hear a knock on my door by the FEDs.
I really can not say what I think about what’s going on in our Country. I would hear a knock on my door by the FEDs.