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Edward Snowden’s Heroic Act

We don’t know enough about 29-year-old Edward Snowden to refer to him as a “hero” just yet. One thing we do know: His decision to blow the whistle on the federal government’s massive domestic spying operation was a heroic act. Snowden – a former technical analyst at the Central Intelligence…

We don’t know enough about 29-year-old Edward Snowden to refer to him as a “hero” just yet.

One thing we do know: His decision to blow the whistle on the federal government’s massive domestic spying operation was a heroic act. Snowden – a former technical analyst at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) – permitted The (U.K.) Guardian and The Washington Post to reveal him on Sunday as the source of last week’s groundbreaking reports on the Orwellian snooping operation erected by the administrations of former president George W. Bush and current president Barack Obama.

Currently in Hong Kong – where he is hoping to avoid being extradited to the United States – Snowden spoke to The Guardian about his motivation for leaking the information.

“I don’t want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” he told the paper. “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

Snowden – who worked for a defense contracting company at the time of the leaks – is all but certain to be charged with multiple counts of unlawfully releasing classified information. If extradited and convicted, he could spend the rest of his life in prison.

He says it was worth the risk …

“I can’t in good conscience allow the U.S. government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building,” he said. “What they’re doing poses an existential threat to democracy.”

We agree.

Bravo, Edward Snowden. Bravo.

In the war against an increasingly brazen and tyrannical federal government, the first blow against Orwellian oppression has been struck. We can only hope and pray that more members of the American intelligence community – and the U.S. Armed Forces – come to realize as Snowden did that the battle lines in the fight for freedom have shifted dramatically.

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148 comments

Libtard June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am

“I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.” Yet he is currently living in Communist China?

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? June 10, 2013 at 8:43 am

Aside from the fact HK has a totally separate legal system than China, and Chinese mainland residents need to get a passport to visit HK….the influence of over 150 years of British rule makes HK itself FAR from “communist”.

From a strategic standpoint, it’s one of the few places in the world that might actually consider not deporting him back to the US.

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The Colonel June 10, 2013 at 9:04 am

? you might want to brush up a bit on what’s really going on in old Hong Kong these days. As China has prospered Hong Kong has diminished in importance and the PRC is playing a far heavier hand there than they started out with. Things are not all goodness and light and the bulb grows dimmer daily.

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:05 am

Ok, so what did I post that was inaccurate?

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The Colonel June 10, 2013 at 9:20 am

I’d start you out with these articles: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/01/24/hong-kong-rethinks-its-relationship-with-mainland-china/

http://world.time.com/2012/01/24/trouble-down-south-why-hong-kong-and-mainland-chinese-arent-getting-along/

“In the end, he hopes that ordinary Hong Kong people could realize the fact that they, like most mainlanders, live in an unjust political system under which the rich and the powerful collude. they share the same destiny, that is, to end this injustice.”

Hong Kong no longer operates under the rules of the “separate system” as promised 15 years ago. While some of the policy is still in effect, the rules change as China’s financial power grows. In fact, as the prosperity of the PRC has grown, Hong Kongers have taken a back seat to “real Chinese” in their own land.

? June 10, 2013 at 9:24 am

Well, with all due respect your comment that I should “Brush up” doesn’t seem to hold water.

Your two links show there are ongoing major differences between HK and China aside from the facts I stated earlier.

If you can show me where I might have been inaccurate and needing to “brush up” I’m open to whatever you are trying to say.

Fox News Viewer June 10, 2013 at 9:50 am

Back in the day the Commies who OWN and RUN Hong Kong would have referred to you as a “useful idiot”

? June 10, 2013 at 9:51 am

Well today our country has you, so there’s that.

The Colonel June 10, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Good one ?.

I guess my point is that the “separate system” is in place in name only and the Hong Kongers are actually now viewed as second class citizens. There is still a desire to get the “HK passport” among the poor in China but the Elite rulers don’t see things that way. The Hong Kong of the past is diminishing rapidly as China’s financial ascendancy continues. The “far from Communist HK” is only far from communist because China is not now nor has it ever really been communist – a dictatorship or elite autocracy is closer to the mark.

? June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am

“Truth is treason in an empire of lies.”- Ron Paul

Our glorious gov’t will proceed in trying to destroy him for telling the truth, a la Bradley Cooper.

Remember folks, the Nazi’s were just “following orders”.

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Polyphemos June 10, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Paul definitely repeated it better than the original writer. I’m trying to track down the quote from a Roman writer.. Ovid or Seneca.. Maybe even Terrence.. Won’t be exact, though, so Paul gets the prize.

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? June 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm

I’ll be interested to see the originator and it’s translated version. Kudos to you for evening knowing it was a derivation, I didn’t.

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Polyphemos June 10, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Nope. I was thinking of Tacitus’ famous quote, “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” (Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges), which is pretty good, but not the same thing. So Paul definitely gets the originality prize here. It does have a harkening to “In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king,” but with a much more true and biting sensibility. Good on you for sharing this very important truth.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:22 pm

I think I’ve seen the quote before Paul, but don’t remember where. Some people claim it was Orwell.

Polyphemos June 12, 2013 at 12:46 am

You win the next prize – the quote IS Orwell – “In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”. Andrew Klavan, in his 2008 book, Empire of Lies goes further with the Orwell quote to an almost exact quotation used by “?”. Now it comes down to who said it first, because Tacitus DID say something similar to the Orwell quote, as well as Josephus AND Ovid. (In times of cowardice, bravery is often just telling the truth. Tempore timoris saepe vera fortitudo.)

Libtard June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am

“I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.” Yet he is currently living in Communist China?

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? June 10, 2013 at 8:43 am

Aside from the fact HK has a totally separate legal system than China, and Chinese mainland residents need to get a passport to visit HK….the influence of over 150 years of British rule makes HK itself FAR from “communist”.

From a strategic standpoint, it’s one of the few places in the world that might actually consider not deporting him back to the US.

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The Colonel (R) June 10, 2013 at 9:04 am

? you might want to brush up a bit on what’s really going on in old Hong Kong these days. As China has prospered Hong Kong has diminished in importance and the PRC is playing a far heavier hand there than they started out with. Things are not all goodness and light and the bulb grows dimmer daily.

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:05 am

Ok, so what did I post that was inaccurate?

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The Colonel (R) June 10, 2013 at 9:20 am

I’d start you out with these articles: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/01/24/hong-kong-rethinks-its-relationship-with-mainland-china/

http://world.time.com/2012/01/24/trouble-down-south-why-hong-kong-and-mainland-chinese-arent-getting-along/

“In the end, he hopes that ordinary Hong Kong people could realize the fact that they, like most mainlanders, live in an unjust political system under which the rich and the powerful collude. they share the same destiny, that is, to end this injustice.”

Hong Kong no longer operates under the rules of the “separate system” as promised 15 years ago. While some of the policy is still in effect, the rules change as China’s financial power grows. In fact, as the prosperity of the PRC has grown, Hong Kongers have taken a back seat to “real Chinese” in their own land.

? June 10, 2013 at 9:24 am

Well, with all due respect your comment that I should “Brush up” doesn’t seem to hold water.

Your two links show there are ongoing major differences between HK and China aside from the facts I stated earlier.

If you can show me where I might have been inaccurate and needing to “brush up” I’m open to whatever you are trying to say.

Fox News Viewer June 10, 2013 at 9:50 am

Back in the day the Commies who OWN and RUN Hong Kong would have referred to you as a “useful idiot”

? June 10, 2013 at 9:51 am

Well today our country has you, so there’s that.

The Colonel (R) June 10, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Good one ?.

I guess my point is that the “separate system” is in place in name only and the Hong Kongers are actually now viewed as second class citizens. There is still a desire to get the “HK passport” among the poor in China but the Elite rulers don’t see things that way. The Hong Kong of the past is diminishing rapidly as China’s financial ascendancy continues. The “far from Communist HK” is only far from communist because China is not now nor has it ever really been communist – a dictatorship or elite autocracy is closer to the mark.

? June 10, 2013 at 8:36 am

“Truth is treason in an empire of lies.”- Ron Paul

Our glorious gov’t will proceed in trying to destroy him for telling the truth, a la Bradley Cooper.

Remember folks, the Nazi’s were just “following orders”.

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Slartibartfast June 10, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Paul definitely repeated it better than the original writer. I’m trying to track down the quote from a Roman writer.. Ovid or Seneca.. Maybe even Terrence.. Won’t be exact, though, so Paul gets the prize.

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? June 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm

I’ll be interested to see the originator and it’s translated version. Kudos to you for evening knowing it was a derivation, I didn’t.

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Slartibartfast June 10, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Nope. I was thinking of Tacitus’ famous quote, “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” (Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges), which is pretty good, but not the same thing. So Paul definitely gets the originality prize here. It does have a harkening to “In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king,” but with a much more true and biting sensibility. Good on you for sharing this very important truth.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:22 pm

I think I’ve seen the quote before Paul, but don’t remember where. Some people claim it was Orwell.

Slartibartfast June 12, 2013 at 12:46 am

You win the next prize – the quote IS Orwell – “In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”. Andrew Klavan, in his 2008 book, Empire of Lies goes further with the Orwell quote to an almost exact quotation used by “?”. Now it comes down to who said it first, because Tacitus DID say something similar to the Orwell quote, as well as Josephus AND Ovid. (In times of cowardice, bravery is often just telling the truth. Tempore timoris saepe vera fortitudo.)

Smirks June 10, 2013 at 8:42 am

Kudos to Iceland for offering this guy asylum too.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 8:42 am

Kudos to Iceland for offering this guy asylum too.

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David Coe June 10, 2013 at 8:50 am

Tell it all brother. Dang, I wouldn’t have told that!

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David Coe June 10, 2013 at 8:50 am

Tell it all brother. Dang, I wouldn’t have told that!

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The Colonel June 10, 2013 at 9:02 am

“…Currently in Hong Kong – where he is hoping to avoid being extradited to the United States – Snowden spoke…”I don’t want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” … “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

Ahhhh, so he says he doesn’t want to live under a “totalitarian government” and he flees to, wait for it, China’s “special administrative region”, Hong Kong? Yeah, that Hong Kong, where the internet is regulated and “Chinese politics” plays a daily more important role in the life of the average Hong Konger.

Follow the money, this kid isn’t an ideolog and he damn sure ain’t a hero.

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:09 am

“Yeah, that Hong Kong, where the internet is regulated”

Well, give it some time…not only could I make the case that the US gov’t already regulates to some degree our internet…it has already been shown that it spys on us like the the Chinese gov’t does its citizens via the internet, in fact it’s pretty clear it does so better/more intrusively most likely.

The two gov’ts aren’t too far apart on that issue…and growing closer every day.

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The Colonel (R) June 10, 2013 at 9:02 am

“…Currently in Hong Kong – where he is hoping to avoid being extradited to the United States – Snowden spoke…”I don’t want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” … “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

Ahhhh, so he says he doesn’t want to live under a “totalitarian government” and he flees to, wait for it, China’s “special administrative region”, Hong Kong? Yeah, that Hong Kong, where the internet is regulated and “Chinese politics” plays a daily more important role in the life of the average Hong Konger.

Follow the money, this kid isn’t a patriotic ideolog and he damn sure ain’t a hero.

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:09 am

“Yeah, that Hong Kong, where the internet is regulated”

Well, give it some time…not only could I make the case that the US gov’t already regulates to some degree our internet…it has already been shown that it spys on us like the the Chinese gov’t does its citizens via the internet, in fact it’s pretty clear it does so better/more intrusively most likely.

The two gov’ts aren’t too far apart on that issue…and growing closer every day.

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The Colonel (R) June 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm Reply
jimlewisowb June 10, 2013 at 9:09 am

Always a great day when you read about a Rabbit thumping the Bear in the chest

Question is how the is Bear going to react. One of my concerns is that the Bear will appear to retreat but in reality will simply hunker down and become even more dangerous

Too many of my friends and relatives have taken on a “so what attitude” toward Prism. I wonder if they will feel the same when their neighbors, friends and relatives just disappear one day never to be heard from again

Then again they may congratulate the Bears for reopening the old smelting factory out in the middle of nowhere but complain daily of the atrocious smell coming from the billowing furnaces

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:20 am

Flag waving, “patriotism”, and nationalism can be a damned dangerous thing, the Germans know that better in “modern” history than anyone else.

It blinds people to the facts, obscures with emotions…and can become downright evil as those telling the truth become modern day villains in the nationalistic “we can do no wrong” society.

That’s how Germany lost so many productive people fleeing to the West even prior to WW2.

The smarter ones saw what was coming and left.

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jimlewisowb June 10, 2013 at 9:09 am

Always a great day when you read about a Rabbit thumping the Bear in the chest

Question is how the is Bear going to react. One of my concerns is that the Bear will appear to retreat but in reality will simply hunker down and become even more dangerous

Too many of my friends and relatives have taken on a “so what attitude” toward Prism. I wonder if they will feel the same when their neighbors, friends and relatives just disappear one day never to be heard from again

Then again they may congratulate the Bears for reopening the old smelting factory out in the middle of nowhere but complain daily of the atrocious smell coming from the billowing furnaces

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:20 am

Flag waving, “patriotism”, and nationalism can be a damned dangerous thing, the Germans know that better in “modern” history than anyone else.

It blinds people to the facts, obscures with emotions…and can become downright evil as those telling the truth become modern day villains in the nationalistic “we can do no wrong” society.

That’s how Germany lost so many productive people fleeing to the West even prior to WW2.

The smarter ones saw what was coming and left.

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nitrat June 10, 2013 at 9:12 am

This is hilarious. Billions of people give Facebook (and the ISPs it travels over) the most intimate details of their personal and professional lives so that Facebook (and the ISPs) can make billions selling advertising. Selling advertising…not exactly the most noble of goals or professions.

Then, they get their panties in a wad over the government creating the “haystack” so that if a terrorist threat is detected they can immediately start making connections to get to the “needle”?

To me, this comes down to whether we are more concerned about what a profit driven company does with our personal information or the government. Really, which do we think is more willing to exploit us?

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:15 am

You seem to miss an important point, when you sign up for Facebook, you VOLUNTARILY give up your privacy/information.

You don’t get a choice if the Feds want it, which is supposed to at least be subject to 4th Amendment rights(in the least).

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Curious June 10, 2013 at 9:34 am

Exactly.

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nitrat June 10, 2013 at 9:50 am

Of course, I understand that Facebook is voluntary.

But, how many of those billions of Facebookers don’t understand the implications of what they are doing?

I had some friends hassle me to get on Facebook. So, I did twice, separated by several years. What freaked me out was that at the initial set-up, it came into my computer, found every email contact I had ever had and showed me the pictures they had posted when they joined.

I’m sure I could have gone in after the fact and blocked some of that. But, Facebook has it, will never get rid of it. And, it’s not just Facebook. It’s hundreds, if not thousands, of other companies that we come in contact with when we turn on our computer.

From Sinclair Lewis’ 1935 novel It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”
Sound like anyone you know?

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

People voluntarily hand over this stuff without thinking of the implications, but often times they just click away their acceptance of Facebook taking this information. They don’t go through your phone/email contacts unless you explicitly tell them to. If they do, that’s their own damn fault. Facebook is giving them a service that they want, and handing over that information gives them a simpler time setting it up. It isn’t doing this automatically, without your consent, and telling you to screw off if you complain.

To take this further, if Facebook requested your phone records, or your browsing history, and asked to started publishing who you called and what sites you visit, or automatically sharing all those RedTube videos you watch in private browsing/incognito mode just because you clicked an “OK” button, people would flip shit and leave in droves. If Facebook did this automatically, this would be a huge breach in privacy and Facebook would get raped in court.

I’ve seen people do witch hunts online, take scraps of information and find out someone’s street address, when they were born, how many kids they had, etc. I’ve seen people drop dox on persons that have tried very hard to keep their private identity under wraps. I’m well aware that our lives aren’t as private as we’d like them to be, but this is an unprecedented level of intrusion, and it is something we do have a say in. We have a say every 2/4/6 years depending on the office our politicians hold, and I’m not about to let the dum-dums of the world click the “share everything” button on the fed’s website. Not if I can help it.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm

“I’ve seen people do witch hunts online, take scraps of information and find out someone’s street address, when they were born, how many kids they had, etc. I’ve seen people drop dox on persons that have tried very hard to keep their private identity under wraps.”

Same here. I’ve seen people lose jobs by it, and these were the targets, not the stalkers. I’ve “seen” (via what seemed to be reliable reports by the victim) people physically stalked and approached.

shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:59 am

nitrat: The feds are reportedly putting shills on various sites, including blogs such as this one. By taking various contrary positions to solicit responses they can ferret out certain folks for review, especially if those folks take consistent positions on several blogs, editorial pages, etc., and if the feds don’t like it they can easily track you in any number of ways. But here on Fitsnews we don’t have to worry about that — do we?

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm

Shite man. T’s not posting. OCRAP The jig is up. Shite man Shite. RUN FOREST RUN. :)

Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:31 pm

I think it was Upton Sinclair (after whom Sinclair Lewis was named) who said, “If fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”

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nitrat June 10, 2013 at 9:12 am

This is hilarious. Billions of people give Facebook (and the ISPs it travels over) the most intimate details of their personal and professional lives so that Facebook (and the ISPs) can make billions selling advertising. Selling advertising…not exactly the most noble of goals or professions.

Then, they get their panties in a wad over the government creating the “haystack” so that if a terrorist threat is detected they can immediately start making connections to get to the “needle”?

To me, this comes down to whether we are more concerned about what a profit driven company does with our personal information or the government. Really, which do we think is more willing to exploit us?

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:15 am

You seem to miss an important point, when you sign up for Facebook, you VOLUNTARILY give up your privacy/information.

You don’t get a choice if the Feds want it, which is supposed to at least be subject to 4th Amendment rights(in the least).

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Curious June 10, 2013 at 9:34 am

Exactly.

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nitrat June 10, 2013 at 9:50 am

Of course, I understand that Facebook is voluntary.

But, how many of those billions of Facebookers don’t understand the implications of what they are doing?

I had some friends hassle me to get on Facebook. So, I did twice, separated by several years. What freaked me out was that at the initial set-up, it came into my computer, found every email contact I had ever had and showed me the pictures they had posted when they joined.

I’m sure I could have gone in after the fact and blocked some of that. But, Facebook has it, will never get rid of it. And, it’s not just Facebook. It’s hundreds, if not thousands, of other companies that we come in contact with when we turn on our computer.

From Sinclair Lewis’ 1935 novel It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”
Sound like anyone you know?

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

People voluntarily hand over this stuff without thinking of the implications, but often times they just click away their acceptance of Facebook taking this information. They don’t go through your phone/email contacts unless you explicitly tell them to. If they do, that’s their own damn fault. Facebook is giving them a service that they want, and handing over that information gives them a simpler time setting it up. It isn’t doing this automatically, without your consent, and telling you to screw off if you complain.

To take this further, if Facebook requested your phone records, or your browsing history, and asked to started publishing who you called and what sites you visit, or automatically sharing all those RedTube videos you watch in private browsing/incognito mode just because you clicked an “OK” button, people would flip shit and leave in droves. If Facebook did this automatically, this would be a huge breach in privacy and Facebook would get raped in court.

I’ve seen people do witch hunts online, take scraps of information and find out someone’s street address, when they were born, how many kids they had, etc. I’ve seen people drop dox on persons that have tried very hard to keep their private identity under wraps. I’m well aware that our lives aren’t as private as we’d like them to be, but this is an unprecedented level of intrusion, and it is something we do have a say in. We have a say every 2/4/6 years depending on the office our politicians hold, and I’m not about to let the dum-dums of the world click the “share everything” button on the fed’s website. Not if I can help it.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm

“I’ve seen people do witch hunts online, take scraps of information and find out someone’s street address, when they were born, how many kids they had, etc. I’ve seen people drop dox on persons that have tried very hard to keep their private identity under wraps.”

Same here. I’ve seen people lose jobs by it, and these were the targets, not the stalkers. I’ve “seen” (via what seemed to be reliable reports by the victim) people physically stalked and approached.

shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:59 am

nitrat: The feds are reportedly putting shills on various sites, including blogs such as this one. By taking various contrary positions to solicit responses they can ferret out certain folks for review, especially if those folks take consistent positions on several blogs, editorial pages, etc., and if the feds don’t like it they can easily track you in any number of ways. But here on Fitsnews we don’t have to worry about that — do we?

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm

Shite man. T’s not posting. OCRAP The jig is up. Shite man Shite. RUN FOREST RUN. :)

Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:31 pm

I think it was Upton Sinclair (after whom Sinclair Lewis was named) who said, “If fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 9:21 am

Gents and Ladies, I don’t think that he awoke one morning and just “decided” to fly to Hong Kong. He has probably researched and negotiated some sort of deal in some sort of negotiation. Also HK sweats money – $$$$$$$$$$$ !!

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 9:21 am

Gents and Ladies, I don’t think that he awoke one morning and just “decided” to fly to Hong Kong. He has probably researched and negotiated some sort of deal in some sort of negotiation. Also HK sweats money – $$$$$$$$$$$ !!

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TangoCharlie June 10, 2013 at 9:25 am

I refuse to participate in the survey on the basis that I do believe in black helicopters and all that about about the Pakistanis soldiers working for the UN. The Federal gov’t is about 3 times the size we think it is. Why fight it at this point? Plant a garden, make some wine, study Mandarin, or not, cause that train has left the station. I fly a private plane for a large corporation and the things that I have seen landing at some small strips around this country used to frighten me. Now I just grin and accept it. “the times they are a’ changing” my friends, the devil done drove down to Georgia.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:49 am

TangoCharlie: You may be more right than you know. Not everyone working/monitoring for the feds is on the payroll.

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TangoCharlie June 10, 2013 at 9:25 am

I refuse to participate in the survey on the basis that I do believe in black helicopters and all that about about the Pakistanis soldiers working for the UN. The Federal gov’t is about 3 times the size we think it is. Why fight it at this point? Plant a garden, make some wine, study Mandarin, or not, cause that train has left the station. I fly a private plane for a large corporation and the things that I have seen landing at some small strips around this country used to frighten me. Now I just grin and accept it. “the times they are a’ changing” my friends, the devil done drove down to Georgia.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:49 am

TangoCharlie: You may be more right than you know. Not everyone working/monitoring for the feds is on the payroll.

Also, I didn’t post on the survey because this is not an up or down situation — it’s much more complex. With some background as an “insider” I could debate this entire situation from now until the Second Coming.

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Curious June 10, 2013 at 9:28 am

From The Guardian article: “the Chinese government might whisk him away for questioning, viewing him as a useful source of information.”
Should have gone to Iceland to begin with. I wonder why he didn’t.

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Curious June 10, 2013 at 9:28 am

From The Guardian article: “the Chinese government might whisk him away for questioning, viewing him as a useful source of information.”
Should have gone to Iceland to begin with. I wonder why he didn’t.

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guest June 10, 2013 at 9:33 am

So he was brave enough to blow the whistle on the government’s spying operations but not brave enough to stay in our country. Like a coward he has to run to another country and hide. His love for himself and his own privacy is greater than his love for our country and that does not make him a HERO.

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Jack L. June 10, 2013 at 10:13 am

Your post is filled with so many logical fallacies that my computer just SFJ*#FJ*OSFJDLKFS>D…..

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:45 am

Jack: The feds have already deciphered your coded word at the end of your post (in less than one hour!). They have identified you as a rogue alien from an outer galaxy. The only reason it took them that long is that they thought it was a message from BigT.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:14 am

You don’t squeal on the mafia while you’re sitting right behind the don.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 10:16 am

Yeah. I changed my vote on that one. Smirks is correct. You wouldn’t tear up a parking ticket in front of the cop. :)

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Guest June 10, 2013 at 10:46 am

Sorry Jack that your computer went #$%^ and Smirks and FP made good points. IMO he is still no HERO. Do wonder if he is alone with this or is the scrapegoat for an extreme group. Per Wash Post he is not at the hotel where he had been staying and it appears he may have some help. The question is who is really behind all this.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 11:08 am

History will absolutely remember this man kindly. Obutthead, eehhh, not so much.
Snowden is clearly a hero. Lots of guts.

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Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:27 am

You underestimate our capabilities. Our power will relegate Snowden to Vallandigham status.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Vallandigham

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 11:38 am

Disinformation is accurate for you. Snowden fights for us all, on the surface Vallandingy looks like a regular old fashioned politician. Racist lying no good dog out for the almighty buck before the citizens of the country.
But hey, who the hell am I?

Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:39 am

No one important, we know that.

Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Well, It’s lunch. I read through the article. I was correct in my original assumption. The guy was nothing more than a politician. Glad he shot himself. The Demlicans of the era might have turned into much more communist Repuklicrats of today.
Have a Great Day, Dis!! :)

shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Interesting, I’ve never heard of this guy before – will read full article tonight.

guest June 10, 2013 at 9:33 am

So he was brave enough to blow the whistle on the government’s spying operations but not brave enough to stay in our country. Like a coward he has to run to another country and hide. His love for himself and his own privacy is greater than his love for our country and that does not make him a HERO.

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Jack L. June 10, 2013 at 10:13 am

Your post is filled with so many logical fallacies that my computer just SFJ*#FJ*OSFJDLKFS>D…..

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:45 am

Jack: The feds have already deciphered your coded word at the end of your post (in less than one hour!). They have identified you as a rogue alien from an outer galaxy. The only reason it took them that long is that they thought it was a message from BigT.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:14 am

You don’t squeal on the mafia while you’re sitting right behind the don.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 10:16 am

Yeah. I changed my vote on that one. Smirks is correct. You wouldn’t tear up a parking ticket in front of the cop. :)

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Guest June 10, 2013 at 10:46 am

Sorry Jack that your computer went #$%^ and Smirks and FP made good points. IMO he is still no HERO. Do wonder if he is alone with this or is the scrapegoat for an extreme group. Per Wash Post he is not at the hotel where he had been staying and it appears he may have some help. The question is who is really behind all this.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 11:08 am

History will absolutely remember this man kindly. Obutthead, eehhh, not so much.
Snowden is clearly a hero. Lots of guts.

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Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:27 am

You underestimate our capabilities. Our power will relegate Snowden to Vallandigham status.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Vallandigham

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 11:38 am

Disinformation is accurate for you. Snowden fights for us all, on the surface Vallandingy looks like a regular old fashioned politician. Racist lying no good dog out for the almighty buck before the citizens of the country.
But hey, who the hell am I?

Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:39 am

No one important, we know that.

Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Well, It’s lunch. I read through the article. I was correct in my original assumption. The guy was nothing more than a politician. Glad he shot himself. The Demlicans of the era might have turned into much more communist Repuklicrats of today.
Have a Great Day, Dis!! :)

shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Interesting, I’ve never heard of this guy before – will read full article tonight.

? June 10, 2013 at 9:35 am

Over 2 to 1 saying he’s a hero in the poll…maybe there’s hope for the country yet.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:13 am

Should be a higher ratio than that, so only a tiny glimmer of hope, if that.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein June 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm

I, for one, welcome our new NSA overlords.

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? June 10, 2013 at 9:35 am

Over 2 to 1 saying he’s a hero in the poll…maybe there’s hope for the country yet.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:13 am

Should be a higher ratio than that, so only a tiny glimmer of hope, if that.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein June 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm

I, for one, welcome our new NSA overlords.

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vicupstate June 10, 2013 at 10:00 am

If the government stops monitoring everything, are we willing to accept more terrorism? Will we blame the government for not protect us?

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Fox News Viewer June 10, 2013 at 10:12 am

Oh thats simple.

When the Democrats are in power the Republicans will blame them.When the Republicans are in power the Democrats will blame them.

The answer is Yes.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 10:18 am

Absolutely no terrorism will be accepted.

Further, we will reverse the current thought on the 2nd amendment and see it for what it really is. The right of the people to bear arms against an unjust gubmint.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:38 am

Assuming government is not causing more people to hate us and delve into the realm of terrorism, restricting these powers does not necessarily mean terrorist attacks will increase. There is no such thing as a complete defense. All of the shit we do didn’t stop the Boston bombing and won’t stop a lot of future attacks. We can keep handing our rights away one by one but as badly as Americans want complete protection, it isn’t going to happen. Life comes with risks.

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vicupstate June 10, 2013 at 10:00 am

If the government stops monitoring everything, are we willing to accept more terrorism? Will we blame the government for not protect us?

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Fox News Viewer June 10, 2013 at 10:12 am

Oh thats simple.

When the Democrats are in power the Republicans will blame them.When the Republicans are in power the Democrats will blame them.

The answer is Yes.

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Frank Pytel June 10, 2013 at 10:18 am

Absolutely no terrorism will be accepted.

Further, we will reverse the current thought on the 2nd amendment and see it for what it really is. The right of the people to bear arms against an unjust gubmint.

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Smirks June 10, 2013 at 10:38 am

Assuming government is not causing more people to hate us and delve into the realm of terrorism, restricting these powers does not necessarily mean terrorist attacks will increase. There is no such thing as a complete defense. All of the shit we do didn’t stop the Boston bombing and won’t stop a lot of future attacks. We can keep handing our rights away one by one but as badly as Americans want complete protection, it isn’t going to happen. Life comes with risks.

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Marla June 10, 2013 at 10:59 am

Can’t wait to find out who Snowden is working for,and it will come out.

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Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:12 am

We are crafting the story as I type this.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:31 am

DS: Folks, this comment may be much more accurate than you think.

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Marla June 10, 2013 at 10:59 am

Can’t wait to find out who Snowden is working for,and it will come out.

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Disinformation Specialist June 10, 2013 at 11:12 am

We are crafting the story as I type this.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 11:31 am

DS: Folks, this comment may be much more accurate than you think.

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SCpundit June 10, 2013 at 11:57 am

The people who voted “Criminal” will be recorded, tracked and harassed. Oh wait, don’t like the sound of that? Oh wait……

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SCpundit June 10, 2013 at 11:57 am

The people who voted “Criminal” will be recorded, tracked and harassed. Oh wait, don’t like the sound of that? Oh wait……

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lawzoo June 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm

It was a gutsy act. We are throwing civil liberties down the tube. To hear the defense of domestic surveillance is “it works” is disgusting.

Same defense that was used for water boarding . Unless it stops get ready for “just following orders”.

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lawzoo June 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm

It was a gutsy act. We are throwing civil liberties down the tube. To hear the defense of domestic surveillance is “it works” is disgusting.

Same defense that was used for water boarding . Unless it stops get ready for “just following orders”.

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This just in . . . June 10, 2013 at 1:31 pm

N.S.A. Enforces Zero-Tolerance Policy on Conscience

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — The National Security Agency moved swiftly and forcefully today to remind its employees of its longstanding zero-tolerance policy on conscience, warning that any violation of that policy would result in immediate termination.

“When you sign on to work at the N.S.A., you swear to uphold the standards of amorality and soullessness that this agency was founded upon,” said N.S.A. director General Keith B. Alexander. “Any evidence of ethics, decency, or a sense of right and wrong will not be tolerated. These things have no place in the intelligence community.”

To enforce the policy, General Alexander said that once a month all N.S.A. employees will be wired to a computer to take full inventory of what is going on in their minds: “We want to be sure they are spending their free time playing Call of Duty, not reading the Federalist Papers.”

The N.S.A. director attempted to reassure the American people that despite “unfortunate recent events,” the agency remains “one of the most heartless and cold-blooded organizations on the face of the earth.” He added, “We refuse to let one good apple spoil the whole bunch.”

He said that going forward, the N.S.A. would try to recruit people who had already demonstrated “a commitment to invading people’s privacy” by working at Google or Facebook.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm

thisjustin ….. or posting on Fitsnews?

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This just in . . . June 10, 2013 at 1:31 pm

N.S.A. Enforces Zero-Tolerance Policy on Conscience

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — The National Security Agency moved swiftly and forcefully today to remind its employees of its longstanding zero-tolerance policy on conscience, warning that any violation of that policy would result in immediate termination.

“When you sign on to work at the N.S.A., you swear to uphold the standards of amorality and soullessness that this agency was founded upon,” said N.S.A. director General Keith B. Alexander. “Any evidence of ethics, decency, or a sense of right and wrong will not be tolerated. These things have no place in the intelligence community.”

To enforce the policy, General Alexander said that once a month all N.S.A. employees will be wired to a computer to take full inventory of what is going on in their minds: “We want to be sure they are spending their free time playing Call of Duty, not reading the Federalist Papers.”

The N.S.A. director attempted to reassure the American people that despite “unfortunate recent events,” the agency remains “one of the most heartless and cold-blooded organizations on the face of the earth.” He added, “We refuse to let one good apple spoil the whole bunch.”

He said that going forward, the N.S.A. would try to recruit people who had already demonstrated “a commitment to invading people’s privacy” by working at Google or Facebook.

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shifty henry June 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm

thisjustin ….. or posting on Fitsnews?

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GooGoo DaDa June 10, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Likely will come out that SC’s own US Senator Graham knew all of what was going on and had condoned it. He will deny it of course, but the truth always has a way of catching up with pig sheets like him.,

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GooGoo DaDa June 10, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Likely will come out that SC’s own US Senator Graham knew all of what was going on and had condoned it. He will deny it of course, but the truth always has a way of catching up with pig sheets like him.,

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I have long simply guessed that federal information gathering might help explain all the free email accounts and heavily solicited traffic with photos, private communications, opinion blogs, etc.

It just seemed kind of likely, especially given how relatively easy it is.

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Soft Sigh from Hell June 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I have long simply guessed that federal information gathering might help explain all the free email accounts and heavily solicited traffic with photos, private communications, opinion blogs, etc.

It just seemed kind of likely, especially given how relatively easy it is.

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 6:42 am

Here is an article about Snowden’s girlfriend. Some of her comments give me the idea these two may be loose cannons. She’s a very attractive girl.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339202/Lindsay-Mills-girlfriend-Edward-Snowden-Woman-NSA-leaker-left-member-acrobat-troupe.html

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 6:42 am

Here is an article about Snowden’s girlfriend. Some of her comments give me the idea these two may be loose cannons. She’s a very attractive girl.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339202/Lindsay-Mills-girlfriend-Edward-Snowden-Woman-NSA-leaker-left-member-acrobat-troupe.html

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 7:29 am

The (potus) will need to wear clean underwear for the G8 meeting. Next on the shopping list State Department scandal.

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 7:29 am

The (potus) will need to wear clean underwear for the G8 meeting. Next up — the State Department scandals.

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carrie June 11, 2013 at 11:09 am

After reading about him, I would consider him to be a TRAITOR.

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carrie June 11, 2013 at 11:09 am

After reading about him, I would consider him to be a TRAITOR.

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Frank Pytel June 11, 2013 at 11:35 am

So funny. And yet very very Scary. It only took the company that he actually worked for 24 hours to fire him? I totally agree this guy is a hero, but what if this had been a real terrorist? WTF??

Typical gubmint teet lover I guess. Had to form a committee undoubtedly.

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Frank Pytel June 11, 2013 at 11:35 am

So funny. And yet very very Scary. It only took the company that he actually worked for 24 hours to fire him? I totally agree this guy is a hero, but what if this had been a real terrorist? WTF??

Typical gubmint teet lover I guess. Had to form a committee undoubtedly.

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Frank Pytel June 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm

With the news hitting like it is I got curious. See Below. I wonder if Mr. Snowden has anything to do with this. ??
Google news search “bomb” with multiple hits

Princeton
Southwest airlines

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/210996591.html

GA captiol
Explosiong at hartsfield Concourse D
Richmond Airport

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_23433797/suspicious-packages-closed-highway-36-oak-park-heights

Oak Park Heights Highway 36, Minnesota (stolen clothes probably. Still funny)

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/265796/

Grand Forks ND

http://www.fox4now.com/news/local/210915251.html

Fort Myers Fl

http://www.northjersey.com/news/210893101_Police_investigate_bomb_threat_at_Cedar_Grove_High_School.html

Cedar Grove High School, NJ

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=908340#.UbdPfKPD-Hs

Perrysburg (WTF?) OH

Ah to hell with it. I got tired of looking. What the hell is going on?

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Frank – See my post below about the Operation Troll the NSA with the link. While some of these folks might have some relationship with that, your links show that there are still plenty of stupid, uncaring assholes in our country who think this sort of shit is funny. Well, I don’t!

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Frank Pytel June 12, 2013 at 7:08 am

Quite serious henry. Quite

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Frank – Also catch my other link to his girlfriend. Interesting article about her, but like I used to say about one my girlfriends, “Looking into her eyes, I see the lights are on, but no one is home.” Her dad agreed with me (but not in front of her mom.)”

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Frank Pytel June 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm

With the news hitting like it is I got curious. See Below. I wonder if Mr. Snowden has anything to do with this. ??
Google news search “bomb” with multiple hits

Princeton
Southwest airlines

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/210996591.html

GA captiol
Explosiong at hartsfield Concourse D
Richmond Airport

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_23433797/suspicious-packages-closed-highway-36-oak-park-heights

Oak Park Heights Highway 36, Minnesota (stolen clothes probably. Still funny)

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/265796/

Grand Forks ND

http://www.fox4now.com/news/local/210915251.html

Fort Myers Fl

http://www.northjersey.com/news/210893101_Police_investigate_bomb_threat_at_Cedar_Grove_High_School.html

Cedar Grove High School, NJ

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=908340#.UbdPfKPD-Hs

Perrysburg (WTF?) OH

Ah to hell with it. I got tired of looking. What the hell is going on?

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Frank – See my post below about the Operation Troll the NSA with the link. While some of these folks might have some relationship with that, your links show that there are still plenty of stupid, uncaring assholes in our country who think this sort of shit is funny. Well, I don’t!

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Frank Pytel June 12, 2013 at 7:08 am

Quite serious henry. Quite

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shifty henry June 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Frank – Also catch my other link to his girlfriend. Interesting article about her, but like I used to say about one my girlfriends, “Looking into her eyes, I see the lights are on, but no one is home.” Her dad agreed with me (but not in front of her mom.)”

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Tyrone Land Rover June 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm

No one has the right to jeopardize national security.

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Tyrone Land Rover June 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm

No one has the right to jeopardize national security.

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