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Clemson: Play Cupcakes, Become An All-American

TWO TIGERS MAKE COACHES’ FIRST TEAM … BUT DID THEY DESERVE IT? There’s no question that Clemson University quarterback Tajh Boyd was the best player in the Atlantic Coast Conference this year – which is why we have no problem with him being named the 2012 ACC Player of the…

TWO TIGERS MAKE COACHES’ FIRST TEAM … BUT DID THEY DESERVE IT?

There’s no question that Clemson University quarterback Tajh Boyd was the best player in the Atlantic Coast Conference this year – which is why we have no problem with him being named the 2012 ACC Player of the Year.

The 6-foot-1, 225-pound junior completed 66.6 percent of his passes for 3,550 yards and 34 touchdowns – while only being intercepted 13 times.  He also rushed for 492 yards and another nine touchdowns.  Those are sensational numbers … but consider Boyd’s opponents.  He racked up those stats against the likes of Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Maryland and N.C. State.

Meanwhile Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel completed 68.3 percent of his passes for 3,419 yards and 24 touchdowns – while only being intercepted eight times. “Johnny Football” also rushed for 1,181 yards and another 19 scores.  Those are better numbers … and Manziel put them up against the likes of Alabama, Florida, LSU and Mississippi State.

As a freshman …

That’s why we’re surprised to learn that Boyd, not Manziel, was named first team All-American by the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) – one of five All-America squads sanctioned by the NCAA.

Also making the AFCA first team?  Dalton Freeman, the Tigers’ 6-foot-5, 285-pound center.

Again … don’t get us wrong.  We’re not disputing the fact that Freeman is the best center in the Atlantic Coast Conference – and we have no doubt that he’s also among the best centers in the nation.  But is he really better than Alabama’s Barrett Jones?  Or LSU’s P.J. Lonergan?

We think not …

In fact watch Boyd and Freeman in action against a real All-American, University of South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney …

Yeah …

Given the weakness of the ACC (which was on full display last weekend), it’s frankly embarrassing that any All-American team would include Boyd over Manziel and Freeman over either Jones or Lonergan.

Let’s hope the teams unveiled by the Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Sporting News and Walter Camp Football Foundation rectify this injustice.

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125 comments

Thomas November 28, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Manzeil gets the Heisman? Could be as far as I know…but Boyd? Hmmm

BTW….give us Kansas State…please?!

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Sammy November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm

Boyd lost against the good teams they played….CAROLINA and FLORIDA STATE. The other teams could be beat by middle school teams.

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The Colonel November 28, 2012 at 2:58 pm

No doubt that Boyd is a good quarterback – but he ain’t that good.

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The Colonel November 28, 2012 at 3:07 pm

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First Team All American my eye…

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popcorn sutton November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

Shewwww weee those boys on that Clemson station / James Turd show were all crying today. They were so optimistic last week and it was sickening.

Now, it’s downright hilarious. They are screaming and drooling all about getting out of the ACC. They sound like a bunch of fools.

Callers saying “what would you rather have, an ACC championship or 4 wins over Clemson?” Ha = easy damn answer that one is:

A 4 year roll of ass=kicking those Tigers – whewwwww eeeee damn.

Johnny Football for Heisman – tough kid and he deserves it -what’s I’m sayin.

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Jeffy01 November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

Hilarious

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south mauldin November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Boyd is an excellent quarterback. Until he gets pressure, when he becomes an average quarterback. There are 10 qbs in college football better than him.

He is much better and faster than last year. If not, Clowney could have had 8 sacks easy.

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Same Old November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm

We see this baseless nonsense each year in the preseason polls and in mess like this. No matter how pitiful the ACC is known to be, that doesn’t seem to be a factor in evaluating the stats of its great players when comparing them to great players in legitimate conferences. I guess the ACC takes what it can get, faux kudos for unproven players like Tajh the Mirajh.

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Mike Traynor November 28, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Complete joke. Back to the girls.

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VoiceofReason November 28, 2012 at 5:14 pm

You people are so classless.

SEC =. Scholastically easy conference (except Vandy) of course.

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Sammy November 28, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Clemsux, a bunch of criminals…..ask Watkins? didn’t he get in trouble with the law for a little drugs etc. penalty…no playing against easy teams …..wowowowow

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haha November 28, 2012 at 6:41 pm

And you realize the ACC just added the #116 academic D1 School in the country to its conference today you classless, name calling, less educated than you think you are, over compensating piece of trash. Not much room to talk, between the higher institutes of learning there with already having Miami, and now Louisville coming in you have some uneducated thugs on your hands. Also to sammy dont ever forget Clemsux has had a few woman beaters on the team up there. 2 in the last few years. but lowlifes like Voiceofreason dont seem to think there is anything wrong throwing a girl down a flight of stairs. Hell Voice might have done it as as well. class act all the way!!!

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clemsux November 28, 2012 at 7:30 pm

those student athletes of the ACC never do anything wrong, oh wait today a Clemtech basketball player got busted smoking dope. VOR has no clue about anything. just ignore the gibberish

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BradWarthenSucks November 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm

Clemsux, like USC football and basketball players don’t smoke dope.

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Original Good Ole Boy November 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm

It’s hilarious to read Clemson fans bragging about academics. They have absolutely nothing else to say.

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clemsux November 28, 2012 at 8:26 pm

BWS, I didn’t see any on the news tonight arrested for it. Or since potkins got busted on CU campus for that matter. But thats off the point, the reply was to voiceofreason who seems to think all ACC players are angels and great scholars. I was simply pointing out that it wasnt true and that VOR doesnt know jack shit. you though as someone who cares nothing about USC or the SEC, as you have said many many many times, keeps talking about it and them an awful lot. I wonder why that is. Hmmmm Jealous, no life, hater, it doesn’t matter as you have clearly proven that you do care and think about USC and the SEC with as much as you talk about it.

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scsince60 November 28, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Anyone who thinks Clemson is some sort of elite college academically has parents who didn’t made it past high school. It’s OK, but come on, not exactly anything I’d brag about at a cocktail party with all white people.

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Twinkie Ho-Ho November 29, 2012 at 10:50 am

Clemson is Auburn with a lake. Check where Clemson profs got their degrees.

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toyota kawaski November 30, 2012 at 11:42 am

dumbass

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mph November 28, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Hey Voice of Reason, the Athletically Challenged Conference just pulled in Louisville. Give me a break. Clemson, Maryland (yes, I know), NC State and FSU are all mediocre schools and there no are differences in standards for admission between the conferences. That’s a comforting canard. Keep telling yourself that.

Bobble Head looks to be heading to the NFL. Bring the newest Heisman candidate, Cole Stoudt.

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shifty henry November 28, 2012 at 6:12 pm

It is Shifty Henry’s Law of Anticipation that it is always wise to support Girl Scout cookies. After all, today’s Brownie is tomorrow’s cupcake.

What does this have to do with this article? Nothing, I just wanted to say it.

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Eye of the Tiger November 28, 2012 at 7:29 pm

“Frankly embarrassing?”

The fact that Clemson players won some nice post season honors “embarrasses” you? A guy who brags about his sexual conquests, his prior heroin use, his alcohol and substance abuse, his willingness to risk breaking up a family by sleeping with a married woman behind her husband’s back, his criminal record, his prior violent behavior, his willingness to expose innocent people to lies and malicious innuendo, frequently with no proof, is “embarrassed” that Taj Boyd made an all american team? Wow.

What do you have against Taj Boyd? Or Dalton Freeman, one of the finest guys in all of college football? They played hard – their team lost to a better team in USC – yes, for a 4th year in a row, but that worm has turned before and will turn again.

Get some class. Act like you have been there before, even if you haven’t.

Yes, Dabo may be an excitable hick, but he isn’t an asshole. Spurrier is a jerk. He shows his ass every chance he gets. He should take a page from Ray Tanner’s book. Or Marcus Lattimore’s.

And yes, Taj, you need to be playing stiffer competition. Like Kentucky and Wofford, like Tennessee, Vandy and Arkansas. Why blame the QB for the schedule?

Doesn’t the fact that Clemson players are good make Carolina look that much better?

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TontoBubbaGoldstein November 28, 2012 at 9:46 pm

Damn, when you put it like that…. Sic looks pretty bad…

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Carl Spackler November 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm

+2

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Smirks November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am

Dayum.

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RestEZ November 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm

hey, Eye, ..just looking at the way these “SPORTS-men” hammer on the losing team(s) says it all about their ‘character’..Pure Hatred.

I also like the way you summed it up:

“What do you have against Taj Boyd? Or Dalton Freeman, one of the finest guys in all of college football? They played hard – their team lost to a better team in USC – yes, for a 4th year in a row, but that worm has turned before and will turn again.

Get some class. Act like you have been there before, even if you haven’t. ”

They can’t jus”t say “way to go, Tajh, Dalton, because THAT’S what true SPORTS-men do. They’re just Tater-Haters.

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Last Step to Recovery November 28, 2012 at 7:30 pm

I am an ACC-aholic. Having grown up in NC my whole life, I have naturally been devoted to the ACC. That started to change when I interviewed for a job in Columbia and the final question was — ACC or SEC? My natural answer of ACC shocked everyone. I then offered the classic defense line of the ACC — “hey, you SEC fans can crow during football season but where are you during basketball?” The response from those folks (sitting in the shadows of USC) took me by surprise. That “intervention” was my first step to recovery as I spent two years working in Columbia.

Returning to NC, I started to slip until a grand revelation changed me. All the recent jostling to add Pitt, Syracuse, and now Louisville to “improve the football” status of the ACC and approach “super conference status” has confirmed how bad I was addicted. Man, I’m glad that’s over!

I relish the support and comfort here from those that, although bluntly, do speak truth about the two conferences. I still struggle with basketball season but am glad I pick up the SEC Network during football.

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BradWarthenSucks November 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm

Why all the surprise that the ACC isn’t a strong football conference? It never has been, the ACC is a basketball conference.

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scsince60 November 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm

Help me out with this Brad, in the last twenty years, the ACC and SEC have both won six basketball championships……. BTW, Clemson is a good state university academically, nothing more, nothing less. I’m guessing you are a first generation college man who was tickled pink to have been accepted at Clemson but weren’t even close to W and L, Davidson, Furman, etc., and wouldn’t have fit in socially.

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BradWarthenSucks November 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Sorry to disappoint you, but I didn’t attend a South Carolina institute of higher learning. You see I’m not from around here, and went to a much better school than what is pushed off as higher education in this state.

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toyota kawaski November 30, 2012 at 11:44 am

just add cock at the end brad

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Brad, What a shame you had to come and live in such an awful place. I would have thought such a highly educated man would have done better.

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jimlewis,owb November 28, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Great news. Maybe that is why StubHub now has tickets going for $3.

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Old Bike Dude November 28, 2012 at 9:38 pm

Hey Brown eye of the Tiger.
Kentucky, Wofford, Tennessee, Vandy, and Arkansas…Clemson would be 5-6 and still lose to us in Deaf Valley. Those 5 teams plus your annual Gamecock asswhuppin would actually salvage your holiday season.
Tigers went 10-0 against teams not in the top 50 and 0-2 against teams in the top 50. That says it all.

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Loyal Clemson Fan November 29, 2012 at 8:23 am

At least Clemson has players that act like good sportsmens and not like the jackass that Swearingin did on the field Saturday. As for criminals, all USC has to do is look in the mirror. It was not that long ago that Carolina had players caught for fighting, stealing and drugs. Many were put on probation. The Carolina thugs came out on this past Saturday’s game. At least Clemson loses with dignity. Carolina fans are hard to find when they lose a game–they all take down their little flags off of their cars.

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clemsux November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am

Hey loyal Clemson fan,
Oh how blind you are. Go back and watch the game before you say the Clemson players acted like good sports. Before the game some idiot woke Clowney up by talking trash, then your “the legalize pot poster child” criminal Sammy Watkins in about his only catch popped up jawing at how bad he thought he was. Clemtechs golden boy Boyd tried to as well after his first TD by trying to act like superman. Nuke tried after his TD. Then on and on and till the game was “over” they t5alked. Clemson fans like you make me wonder how stupid everyone that went to Clemson must really be, because they can only see things one way, therefore they just assume they are right. Ignorant rednecks are all you are. Seriously go watch the game again. Clemson players tried to talk trash all night, and they were not the good sports you think. I know its hard to because if you have ever watched the Swinney show its exactly like the old Bowden show in that it only shows plays that worked for Clemson. Never do they show the opposing TD’s or turnovers, or anything that looks bad against the taters. You would think they won every game they ever played if you didn’t know better, so the tigers are just used to only one way, whatever looks best for them and not the truth. Sure the Gamecocks talked trash too, but don’t for a second say the Tigers didn’t. They were like little children that started it, and then whined when someone else finished it. Sure what DJ did was over the top and bad, but no one will admit it didn’t quit your players from trying to talk some trash again. It was like a midget that challenge the heavyweight to a fight and talked shit all up to it, then gets knocked the F out in the 1st round, and then says the punch was over the line because they are only a midget. Crybabies! Then finally the score board sealed the deal, and you still won’t shut up. Next time tell your players to shut up, Tweeting last year didn’t work and all the trash they talked this year didn’t either. They were more worried about the trash talk than the game it seems. And when your fatass Center can’t even credit the other team with the win “no it wasn’t them, it was all us” that’s not losing with dignity or class. That is flat out bad sportsmanship, and quite frankly a lying little baby. Now you are in that exact category. Take the beating with some dignity and STFU. CU next year.

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clemsux November 29, 2012 at 9:55 am

and also there is still no sign of alot of Tater fans in here. where are they?

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scsince60 November 29, 2012 at 3:19 pm

OK, you win. Your thugs are of a higher caliber than our thugs. Happy? And yes, they have learned to lose with incredible dignity.

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sid November 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

“At least Clemson loses with dignity. Carolina fans are hard to find when they lose a game–they all take down their little flags off of their cars.”

Hmmm. Could be, but who knows? It’s been so long since Clemson won that it’s hard to recall how USC fans react to a loss in these games.

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Gamecock Hall of Fame November 29, 2012 at 9:05 am

Last week: We’re going to trounce on USC. Then, oh yeah, QB is hurt, RB is hurt, DE is limping, we’re going to rub your faces in the turf.

This week: Our QB is a hero, sooo good. We beat ourselves…. and finally,,,,, We’re smarter in class than you.

Next week: My daddy is stronger than your daddy.

I guess Spurrier is just going to have to drive to Pendleton and bitch slap Dabo Dabo Doo before you pussies can accept it.

YOU GOT OWNED,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,AGAIN!

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browneye winking back at you November 29, 2012 at 9:23 am

vanderbilt was 8-4 for anybody who is talking sh1t about the ‘dores.if you put jordan rogers and jordan matthews in the acc,they do what nuked hopkins and boyd did.and yes, womanbeater will is a piece of shit, and yes he claimed to go to rehab when he was 18, but then spent years snorting coke with the likes of thomas ravenel and LONG AFTER his rehab stint. LOL and yes he beat women, and yes, he still talks shit about fucking local sluts or women from the local TV affiliate news stations, and yes, his wife probably reads those boasts, and i dont think either one of them care. and if his wife does care, then he clearly doesnt give a fuck about publicly humiliating her on a regular basis. as for his creepy obsession with comptroller creepy and his soon-to-be bride, creepella, i think thats just his way of offering an invitation to swing: “…boy IM TALKIN WIFESWAPPIN!”

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Positraction7 November 29, 2012 at 11:20 am

Wjen were these voted for?

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GRogersNo38 November 29, 2012 at 2:29 pm

They got All-Americans but the hicks can’t win a Heisman for shit.

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Really?!? November 29, 2012 at 6:19 pm

“And when your fatass Center can’t even credit the other team with the win “no it wasn’t them”,

I bet that “fatass” goes quick in the NFL draft!

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Loyal Clemson Fan November 29, 2012 at 6:55 pm

To Clemsux: as usual, you are apparently a Carolina fan. Go back and read my comments—not one time did I say that Clemson did not win, not one time did I whine about the game, but as a typical Carolina fan, you went postal and blew up and attempted to give me a lecture about something that didn’t even occur. I was talking about sportsmanship. You talk about Clemson fans talking bad—your coach started it all and by the way, Carolina was talking up just as much so don’t try to act like you are soooo innocent. Clemson fans are just a better quality people. People like yourself always call us rednecks when you can’t think of anything to say like that is the first time we ever heard that –eeeeew! Don’t forget your Governor is a Clemson graduate—must be pretty smart for a Clemson grad to become Governor. Did not say she was the best. Just said she made it to be governor.

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scsince60 November 29, 2012 at 7:33 pm

I’ve lived in SC all my life and have never noticed that “Clemson fans are just a better quality people.” That’s a pretty strong statement. It really is a shame you feel that way. I have Clemson friends that I rib, and they rib me back, but truthfully don’t believe one school is a whole lot different than the other. I can assure you, they don’t feel that I, and my buddies who root for Carolina, are not “quality” people. My bet is that you are still upset over Clemson’s recent poundings. You also might try to associate with more graduates and fewer “fans”, of both schools.

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clemsux November 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm

For clarification the redneck was for Clemson not you, the 2nd post was for you. I guess I should have made that more clear

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clemsux November 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm

Loyal Clemson Fan,
Ok I went over yours again, now go back and read mine again. I most certainly did say Carolina talked trash so never tried to claim innocence, but you seem to think they were the only ones. Like most taters, you seem not to read or see everything. I even said DJ’s was over the top (its in there go look again), and you once again missed the truth. Our coach didn’t start the trash talk, Dabo started all of this with his little crybaby rant last year about its a domination not a rivalry about something he thought Spurrier said but never did. That’s when Spurrier knew he had him like his little bitch. Yes you did whine like a baby. Your team couldn’t win the game so you resorted to name calling “criminals’ and “thugs” against the players that beat yours again. You don’t even notice that what I pointed out was simply a statement that instead of “USC looking in the mirror” as you recommended, they could just look at the tigers for lack of sportsmanship as well, because it was clearly on display during the game. But once again you can only see it one way, just like a tiger. Go smoke a bowl with Sammy (while driving high), throw a girl down a flight of stairs, and STFU. And you really are claiming Nikki, the governor who is just flat out screwing this state up, as a good thing for an alumnus for Clemson? Really?? No seriously are you for real? Damn you really are a “redneck”. Which by the way was never once in my post as you claim, go look again. So now instead of a point of argument, you are just flat out making stuff up. I guess when you are trying to look like the “better class of person” you make stuff up to make the other look bad. Didnt work. CU next year classy one!

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clemsux November 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm

the reply above was supposed to be to this post. i messed up

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Jump Back Jack November 30, 2012 at 2:27 am

Somebody please explain to me why Clemson isn’t playing for the ACC championship this year.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 8:59 am

FSU and Clemson finished tied for the ACC lead; FSU won head to head vs Clemson. They are in the same division and each division sends the top “eligible” team. FSU goes in over Clemson by virtue of the tiebreaker, to play against GT who is taking Miami’s place as Miami is not eligible due to “self-imposed” penalties.

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 7:43 am

Clowney’s IQ is borderline mentallly retarded and he is attending classes at USC. That says it all if he actually has ever seen the inside of a classroom in Columbia. Great football player but not much else.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 7:51 am

maybe he and sammy watkins take the same course load. Except sammy also has a minor in driving on curbs high with pills for extra credit.

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Original Good Old Boy December 3, 2012 at 11:49 am

What did CJ Spiller, a Clemson “honors” student, score on his wonderlic?

Do you really want to go there?

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 8:00 am

No intention of getting in childish back and forths. Just stating the fact that Clowney is borderline mentally retarded.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 8:55 am

so you have facts, or an “educator” who broke the law to tell you thier opinion? Just pointing out everytime you want to cry that a person you feel is not as smart as you, makes you look like a child. (and as for back and forths you keep coming back)

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 9:26 am

Hello Brian, Wasn’t Clowney highly recruited by Clem? How could the Harvard of the South have been interested in a dullard like him? If he had chosen Clem, he’d be a biology major, or whatever he wanted to be. Get over it buddy. Just play hard in the ACC next year, ya hear?

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 9:19 am

I never make fun of anybody’s mental abilities. The point is to illustrate the “win at all costs” attitude that Spurrier has brought to USC. Cases like this are exactly why USC is on probation again for the second time in the last 6-7 years which most sc fans fail to realize. Kids that have no business being in college are allowed and pushed through the system just to remain eligible. No, I am not gullible enough to think that it doesn’t happen everywhere but not to the extent that it happens at USC and the rest of the SEC. There will never be a level playing field versus other conferences because the other BCS conferences will not compromise their academic reputations and stain the degrees from their respective universities. At least not the extent of the SEC. Get outside of South Carolina and ask people what they think of the SEC’s academic reputation, besides Vandy, and they will laugh at you.

SEC’s sole function is to be a football factory and everything else is secondary. There is no reason to argue otherwise as the leadership in the conference has decided to worship at the altar of the almighty dollar.

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 9:36 am

Hey buddy, I just double checked to be sure I was right. Clowney’s final decision was among Carolina, Clemson, and Alabama. Clemson was his last official visit. Are you claiming that Clem would not have taken him?

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 9:38 am

“There will never be a level playing field versus other conferences because the other BCS conferences will not compromise their academic reputations and stain the degrees from their respective universities. At least not the extent of the SEC”

You do know the ACC has Miami the most trouble program around (perhaps SMU was worse), and they also just added Louisville who is rated #116 overall academics out all BCS rated schools, and Pittsburg is not that much better, so did you figure into the equations that the 3 of the last 5 school the ACC added seem to have the football (athlete) 1st mentality too, I guess if what you claim is true, A. only the SEC is winning therefor no one notices, or B. you just chose to generalize one conference when the other major one in this area (I just laughed when I wrote that)seems to be moving in the same direction?

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 9:51 am

I must repeat my question. Why would an ACC school, such as Clemson, ever consider recruiting a player like Clowney who so obviously, according to you, doesn’t fit the “student-athlete” mold that Clemson demands? Oh, I know, your football recruiting guys hadn’t gotten around to checking out his grades and test scores.

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 10:04 am

Helloooo Brian, I’m sure you wished you could have snatched that Clemson orange cap off that table in front of Clowney on signing day two years ago. You remember the cap, the one sitting beside the Carolina cap and Alabama cap. Gosh, if Clowney had unexpectedly chosen the Clemson cap, do you think Dado and staff would have “worked with him” academically, or turned him away. After all, I’m sure the Clemson coaches noticed he was “borderline mentally retarded” during his visits to Clemson.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 10:09 am

scsince60
It’s just like this year’s #1 recruit. it was “yeah he is coming here, he is the best, and he will do this: now he cancels his commitment and Clemson fans now say “he couldn’t get it, he is a problem, he has an attitude” only when he won’t go there did ANY of that come up. It’s the same thing here. Sore losers, and yet they post they lose with dignity. What a joke of themselves they are making.

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 10:15 am

Clemsux, Agreed. The conversation is kinda boring now.

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Brian, I know your reading comprehension is great but the rest of us might have missed it so I’ll repost the important part of an article I published below:

More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . .

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Brian, Oh yeah. The only things “stained” were Tajh’s, Sammy’s, Dalton’s, and DeAndre’s underwear when they saw the Cocks take the field last Saturday night.

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 9:58 am

Yes, they would have taken him. Every school has exceptions but not the rule. Swearinger’s antics the other night were because he was pissed that Dabo didn’t offer. Well, he didn’t offer because he couldn’t get in. Like I said previously, all schools have exceptions but in the SEC they don’t need exception rule.

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 10:10 am

So you’re saying Clowney COULD have gotten in at Clem? I’m confused.

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Brian, I know your reading comprehension is great but the rest of us might have missed it so I’ll repost the important part of the articl I published below:

More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . .

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Original Good Old Boy December 3, 2012 at 11:58 am

DJ was pissed that Clemson didn’t offer? LOL.

And if that’s true (that Clemson didn’t offer) that might explain why their team is not nearly as talented as their recruiting rankings would have you believe.

It’s called a rivalry dude. He just doesn’t like Clemson.

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 10:01 am

Taking exceptions still doesn’t change the fact that some kids have to be given verbal tests because they can’t read and comprehend what a question is asking.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 10:06 am

So again, that only happens at USC, or you choose to only think it happens at USC.

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scsince60 November 30, 2012 at 10:08 am

Brian, Harkening back to one of your earlier comments, I would like to take this opportunity to make fun of YOUR meager mental abilities.

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Lindsey with an "E" November 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm

I’m wondering if Brian knows so much about “retarded kid accommodations” because he was one of them…

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jeffy01 November 30, 2012 at 10:11 am

ugh….Swearingen was way out of line. Cant defend his behavior. It was ridiculous. His play was awesome. his reaction was tacky…but it wasnt a felony for goodness sake.
Both Clempson and USC recruit and welcome less than stellar scholars….and even sometimes human beings onto their respective teams. Im sure it is 100% equal over time.
I am also sure that USC won the game 27-17!!!!

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 10:22 am

The reading comprehension on this board solidifies my argument of those that attend USC. Yes, all schools take exceptions, like Clowney, and yes, Clemson would have figured a way to get him into school BUT again, he would be the exception not the rule. SEC schools make it more of the norm than the exception to accept those type of kids. Sc has kid beyond Clowney that Clemson couldn’t even recruit because there wasn’t a snowballs chance in hell that they could get them into school. All schools have 1 to 2 exceptions allowed but not 25% or more of them team.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 10:34 am

Show your proof. My reading comprehension is just as good as yours, and all you have for me to read is your opinion on the matter. No actual proof. I am done with you as really this has gotten old. Show your factual proof, (not the alleged opinion from and unnamed educator that may have broken the law by disclosing information) With out actual proof to support I will not reply to this gibbersih anymore.

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Get your head out of your ass Brian. This article from US News and World Reports sums up Clempson’s “athlete academic performance” nicely:

Some “universal truths,” according to the Journal-Constitution:

All 53 schools for which football SAT scores were available had at least an 88-point gap between team members’ average score and the average for the student body.

Schools with the highest admissions standards, such as Georgia Tech, the University of Virginia, the University of California-Berkeley, UCLA, and the University of North Carolina, had the biggest gaps between the SAT averages for athletes and the overall student body.

Football players performed 115 points worse on the SAT than male athletes in other sports.

The differences between athletes’ and non-athletes’ SAT scores were less than half as big for women (73 points) as for men (170).

Many schools routinely used a special admissions process to admit athletes who did not meet the normal entrance requirements. More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . . At Georgia, for instance, 73.5 percent of athletes were special admits compared with 6.6 percent of the student body as a whole.

(3ws).usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Brian, I know your reading comprehension is great but the rest of us might have missed it so I’ll repost the important part:

More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . .

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CNSYD December 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm

The Colonel,

The USNWR article may have stated a correct percentage but the problem with the whole statement is that it is probably comparing apples to oranges. Special admits based on what standard? A uniform standard among all those being measured or against the standard used at each school which is probably not uniform across all schools?

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clemsux December 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm

while I see your point, it doesnt matter what the standards are, Brians point was that clemson doesnt make as many exceptions and this documented informations proves they in fact do make over 50% of special exceptions hence making Brians point invalid. Off of what standard is irrelevant because they are lower than the normal at Clemson.

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CNSYD December 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm

clemsux, don’t disagree with what you say. My purpose was to point out that all exceptions, regardless of the number, are not created equal. If there is such aa thing as an exception to say MIT, that is probably at a whole different level than an exception to either USC or Clemson.

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 10:53 am

Maybe Fits will do the research. I doubt he has the guts though

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm

The colonel just did it above for you. The numbers he documented did not make your arguenent look so good though.

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sid November 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Brian appears to be “borderline mentally retarded.” He can’t seem to grasp how to post within individual threads, and he is incapable of answering direct questions. When presented with facts, his strategy appears to be to ignore them in the hope that they will go away. Perhaps he has a mild form of autism.

Oh, and Colonel, I have to disagree with you. His reading comprehension is terrible.

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm

Sarcasm Sid, sarcasm …

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mph November 30, 2012 at 11:49 am

Hey Brian,

Dabo did offer Swearinger. About three weeks before signing day. Guess he was another of those exceptions.

And go back and read Mike Bellamy’s tweets. Yikes. It makes CJ Spiller, a guy that graduated with honors at Tater Tech and had the lowest Wonderlic score in history, seem like a scholar.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm

It would be cool if that were true, but Spiller had a 10 on the wonderlic test. The lowest was Morris Claiborne of LSU with 4. The lowerst 5 scores of all time however do feature 2 ACC players and 2 SEC players (Spiller wasnt in the bottom 5 either.) So they are at least even there.

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toyota kawaski November 30, 2012 at 11:50 am

Taji boyd was just sacked again

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The Colonel November 30, 2012 at 1:03 pm

…and again and again and again on the last play of the game…

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mph November 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

Okay, let me amend that statement – CJ Spiller got 10 on the Wonderlic. Out of 50.

And that’s an academic superstar on the tater football squad.

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never going to happen December 1, 2012 at 7:38 am

you maybe hearing some chatter off of tigernet. A friend of mine went as far as to post it on Facebook last night. he has now updated the post saying he heard it on tigernet and that it claims Jim Grobe confirmed it. It is no where else however, so most likely a made up story. one guy on the chain on FB says he knew a wake forest alumn and nothing has been said in the wake rooms. leaving to a DII doesnt make since other than size of wake fitting in better.

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VoiceofReason November 30, 2012 at 5:12 pm

Believe me you do not want to compare academics of ACC vs SEC schools . Except for Vandy, ACC rules big time. Why the hell do you think SC got out of the ACC. They could not hang with the scademic requirements.

SC plays a superb smoke and mirrors game with academics both with athletes and non-sthletes. They always have. The B school and IB program is grossly overrated. My sister in law graduated from Wharton@UPenn ans she knows B schools.

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haha November 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm

The overly opinionated one that doesn’t care either way is back. I wonder why? Go defend the mighty ACC academics by adding Louisville Pittsburg, (and Miami a few years back). I guess the added them only for the academic ratings huh, because they bring so much to the table for that? Go blow it out of your Ass. You don’t know anything. You must have had time to think stuffed in that locker in highschool.

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haha November 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm

Just heard from a tiger friend of mine, that Wake Forest is leaving the ACC for the SOCon (supposedly it is a done deal), and GT might leave for the big 10. If both of those happen it isnt looking good for the smart ACC. 2 of your top schools leave. Where will you hang your hat then? you might be down to only a couple a “great” schools.

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clemsux November 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm

I heard that too, but I think its just a rumor

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Brian November 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm

You answered it again. Clemson has special admits but SEC standards are so low that there obviously is no need for special admissions even for athletes as no percentage reported. What’s funny is that Clemson’s special admits would get into USC under normal admission standards. That’s the difference.

By the way, there is a reason USC keeps Clowney away from the media. Guy can’t put 2 sentences together.

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haha November 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm

man, this guy is s dumb he cant see when he is proven wrong. if you cant beat em, bash em huh? loser

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clemsux December 1, 2012 at 10:12 am

Is that why Swinney kept Watkins away from the media this year Brian? Or is it because he is with his family at that 5 star florida resort Brad Scott payed for? They got him in college when he couldnt get in himself and paid for the summer vacation for the family too huh? People in glass houses should throw stones.

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clemsux December 1, 2012 at 10:17 am

And fyi, you obviously don’t listen to the radio, or your listening skills are as bad as your reading comprehension. After the Clemson game, Clowney said to reporters on air “I don’t know what it is like to lose to Clemson. (Sentence 1) I won’t know what it’s like to lose to them either, because we won’t as long as I am here. (Sentence 2)” Once again you are proven wrong.

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CNSYD December 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm

clemsux,

I thought it was Sic Willie who had the proof IRT Watkins and family and the 5 star resort. Since Sic Willie has deep sixed that claim (you know like the Wingo SAT story) I guess you are the one with the proof.

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The Colonel December 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Brian on your best day you couldn’t get into Auburn, Vanderbilt or the University of Florida, all of whom have higher entrance standards than Clempson. USC, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky are in the same SAT window as Clempson +- 30 points. All the rest of the SEC is within a 100 point window of Clempson’s admission standard.

Clempsonites like to believe that they’re elite but what they really are is effete. (a great SAT word by the way)

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The Colonel December 1, 2012 at 3:59 pm

Brian,
I forgot to check A&M, you couldn’t have gotten into A&M either.

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CNSYD December 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm

The Colonel,

Check your SC history. The use of “effete” prcedes your use here by quite a bit. Pitchfork Ben Tillman used it when describing South Carolina College (now known as USC)grads.

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clemsux December 1, 2012 at 11:59 pm

If you are going to attempt a smart comment in retort, make sure 100% of your words are spelled correctly. You must be in the “over 50% of those special admits. “prcedes” isn’t a word

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The Colonel December 2, 2012 at 12:11 am

Yet another thing Ol ‘Pitchfork got wrong. I sometimes wonder what THE NAACP will do when they find out one of Clempson’s most racist founders has a statue on the state house grounds right there by the Confederate flag.

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CNSYD December 2, 2012 at 9:46 am

clemsux, please accept my most sincere apologies for leaving a letter out of a word. “Typing” is not my forte. However, I think you got the point of the post.I would have assumed you have read FITSNEWS long enough to know a Sic Willie story is bogus when all of a sudden he never mentions it again. There is a whole list of those. I am sure he will cover them all in his forthcoming book on his relationship with Haley.

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CNSYD December 2, 2012 at 9:57 am

The Colonel,

It does not take much research to find out that past people of note have feet of clay. If the NAACP is not aware of Tillmaan’s views then they slept in SC history class. Sure they can rail against his statue but other than the attention to them it may draw, what is the purpose? Lets play the game and select another historical person. Henry Ford. I assume you are well aware of his antisemitic views. Seen any protests about it at any dealerships or Ford plants? Again, what would be the point?

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clemsux December 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm

look who is finally back. I was really taking a rib at Brian for making up stuff about Clowney. Its a Ferris Bueller story. “A friend of a friend knew this kid who went to a school with a girl that talked to a teacher that claimed Clowney wasnt too bright”. Now a quote form Bender in the Breakfast club “I would expect you to know the difference”. the 80’s movie references are a flashback so that clemson fans can remember the good ole days when they were still good.

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Jesse's Pontiac Ventura December 1, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Brian, you didn’t get beat in the argument. It’s not the guys you were arguing with that kicked your ass.

You beat yourself.

I know you’ve heard that one before.

Tweet that.

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haha December 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm

that was one of the funniest things I have seen.

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VoiceofReason December 1, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Please don’t mix SC with academics, it’s like oil and water. CU is so much better than SC it’s not even funny. As for Auburn your facts are wrong. The SEC does not compare academically to the ACC. The ACC would not have taken SC back.

CU is becoming an elite state school. Accept it and deal with it you morons.

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haha December 1, 2012 at 7:59 pm

That was a laugh. Sammy Watkins could possibly get a degree from there. That means alot about your school. You know who else did? William Perry. That speaks volumes about how tough it is. I met the man. Nice guy, but dumb as dirt. Elite, damn I am still laughing.

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CNSYD December 3, 2012 at 1:44 pm

haha,

George Rogers says Hi.

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VoiceofReason December 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm

And another thing. Our pitiful politicians keep trying to slow CU down so it won’t leave your precious “flagship” school behind.

Innoviista = Innowasta

CU ICAR is the real model in how to run a research center. Deal with it.

I get sick and tired of SC’s overrated accomplishments.

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haha December 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm

I’m still laughing at you.

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VoiceofReason December 1, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Finally, it’s a common fact that SC gets extra funding to make itself look better than it is.

Yes, I am having an anger issue. I am tired of you morons and your cohorts trying to trash CU when you absolutely nothing about CU. you are all a bunch of jealous idiots. Wake up and see what the rest of the nation sees.

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haha December 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm

But you don’t care about either as you say, yet all of a sudden you are only tired of people bashing Clemson. We all knew you went there. Oddly you say you’re tired of people “trying to trash CU when you absolutely nothing about CU”. You do the same to USC and the SEC and you know nothing of them either. That makes you a hypocrite. And an egotistical one at that. This post makes all the point in the world. Thanks for the proof that you are full of dung.

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scsince60 December 2, 2012 at 12:43 am

Dear VOR, I just have to jump in here a minute. Again, I have no idea what crowd you run in, but I’ve got a bunch of Clemson friends, and I’ve never heard any of them tout their school as any kind of elite academic program. They are proud of Clemson football, etc. blah, blah, blah, but no more so than anybody else of their school. They attended Clemson just like other guys went to Carolina, College of Charleston, Georgia, or whatever. I assure you, no Clemson buddies of mine feel as if they are superior. But this is in a circle with Davidson, WandL, Chapel Hill, Furman, guys With you, it must be a socio-economic deal. My suggestion to you would be to find some more well-to-do friends. That way you wouldn’t have such an inflated opinion of your Clemson experience. Just trying to help you.

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ecivguy December 3, 2012 at 7:15 am

If the CU ICAR is the standard, why does USC receive such a large amount of research dollars compared to CU?

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haha December 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm

This just in, VoiceofReason was stuffed in yet another locker, and highschool is out.

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Shamus_Coot December 2, 2012 at 9:40 pm

More butt hurt Coot fans. Now they claim a freshman should win the Heisman b/c he lit up the SEC with his mediocre team that couldn’t compete in the Big12? Roll Tide! Now back to more USC fan posts about UGA almost winning the SECCG and how it just means USuC should’ve won the NC! Sorry it didn’t happen, nor did a division title or any other meaningful thing you coots could fly beside your ’69 ACC Title. The ACC – the conference coots couldn’t win twice and still hate to this day! Hate-On!

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taters_suck December 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm

Tater tater tater. if you were to walk to the end of the hall in that toilet of a place you live, it would be further than all the offense your mighty taters put up in the last 4 years vs the Gamecocks. you suck, your team sucks, your conference has become a joke (the gamecocks left in in 71 so couldnt win again but would have 6 different occasions since including the last 3) no one hates it, we pity it, and we laugh at it.

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Jeffy01 December 2, 2012 at 10:07 pm

I jut did some research about both schools….I learned…..final score was 27-17!
Hahhahhahahha

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Original Good Old Boy December 3, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Ah, never in my life did I expect to see Clemson fans resort to the “we are a better academic school” argument. No doubt they would rather brag about beating us in football, but since that is not possible, they have to desperately latch on to whatever they can.

Congrats, Clemson. You guys are academic rock stars. And classy, too. Who cares that they are soft on the field and continue to get destroyed by USC. All that matters is that they are good studens who play with class. LOL.

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