Obamacare: Six Million Americans Must Pay Up

THE “INDIVIDUAL MANDATE” IS KICKING IN …  || By FITSNEWS || As many as six million Americans will be forced to pay up to one percent of their income to the federal government in order to be found in compliance with U.S. president Barack Obama‘s socialized medicine law. This insidious…


|| By FITSNEWS || As many as six million Americans will be forced to pay up to one percent of their income to the federal government in order to be found in compliance with U.S. president Barack Obama‘s socialized medicine law.

This insidious “individual mandate” – which was declared constitutional thanks to U.S. Supreme Court justice John Roberts – takes effect this year.

And next year it doubles to two percent of income … all for simply refraining to make a choice in the consumer marketplace.

Amazing …

In 2012 – with Roberts casting the deciding vote – the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Obamacare’s individual mandate was a tax, and therefore constitutional.

The court is currently considering a case that seeks to determine whether the government can disburse roughly $700 billion in Obamacare subsidies in nearly three dozen states that refused to create state-run insurance exchanges under the new law.

If it can’t, the new law is doomed …

(To read our report on the big U.S. Appeals Court ruling that led to this decision, CLICK HERE. To read our report on the underlying legal issues in the case, CLICK HERE).

Years ago, we warned that Obama’s socialized medicine monstrosity was going to be disastrous for the American economy – and we were right (see HEREHERE and HERE).

As a candidate in 2008, Obama projected annual savings of $2,500 per family by the end of his first term in office – only to close out his first four years with a $2,400 increase  in insurance costs.  In other words, his campaign promise was about as accurate the oft-repeated “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it” promise.

And things keep getting worse …

In fact according to a study released earlier this year, spending on health care is gobbling up a higher percentage of Americans’ incomes than ever before.


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Rocky January 28, 2015 at 4:52 pm

Cry me a river. Oh my, if I decide to be an uninsured moocher I have to pay a $500 tax this year, and $1,000 next year. Oh my. But I expect to stick the state and the hospital with my $5,000 medical bill because I was too lazy to get insurance. Oh my. And it’s killing the economy. Unemployment at 5.6%, DOW at 18,000. Give me a freakin’ break. And BTW – 64% of Americans now say if the court rules against the exchange set-up for non-state run exchanges – they expect Congress to fix it – not repeal it.

PCAlum January 28, 2015 at 4:59 pm

“they expect Congress to fix it – not repeal it.”

expect being the operative word in that statement. i expect congress to bend me over the barrel. doesnt mean i want it

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:00 pm

True. But they will:)

TontoBubbaGoldstein January 28, 2015 at 7:33 pm


Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:40 am

Or you will stick it to the state and the feds when you are exercising your “freedom” to not wear a seatbelt or helmet and you crash and burn and leave the bills for someone else to pay. What patriots!

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:49 am

Make you a deal.Deport the millions of illegals on Medicaid and I will consider supporting the expanded Medicaid in ALL states for LEGAL American citizens?

Rocky January 29, 2015 at 11:33 am

Cool. Because you have to provide your Residency status (i.e. your Greeno Cardo) to get Medicaid. Or a Visa that’s valid. You cannot – however – just ask for it. So now that we’ve settled that – and we have deported them since deporting x 0 = 0 and we’re finished, when can I expect SC, GA, AL, FL and others to expand Medicaid.

guest January 29, 2015 at 11:41 am

No you don’t. ANYBODY can get Medicaid and states are giving them a drivers license for an ID to get it. They can also get food stamps.

Show me proof the illegals are deported and we can talk.

guest January 29, 2015 at 11:48 am

Adults should not be on Medicaid OR food stamps however children should have access to preventative health care and NEVER be hungry.

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:45 am

LMAO!!! Rocky just told us SCOTUS is gonna say bye bye to Obamacare!!!
And don’t worry Rocky we will clean another one of your liberal/socialist messes up.

The fines (which poor people will not be able to pay) are just a first step to putting a lien on their personal property,putting them in jail and garnishing their Social Security like they do for other taxes and Child Support/Alimony.

What Are They Costing Us? January 28, 2015 at 5:00 pm

Going to the hospital while uninsured is expensive, somebody’s got to pay the bill. Who do you think that is? If someone can’t afford it, they need help, so Republicans should be trying to help them. If they can, then pay up bitch. It’s costing you? You’ll be costing us.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:21 pm

“I will gladly help the helpless, but I refuse to help the clueless.” – Dennis Miller.

LD January 28, 2015 at 5:03 pm

Requiring people to have health insurance is not “socialized medicine”. You complain about some people not paying their fair share, but then bitch about it when they are mandated to do so.

Means of Production for $200 January 28, 2015 at 5:17 pm

Half of right-wingers use words like socialism and communism when they barely have any grasp whatsoever as to what they mean. To some it means any time government has anything to do with something, to others it simply is a label they throw onto anything they don’t like. When they go through their private insurance to see their private doctor at his private practice, it is socialism because there was a government regulation somewhere and a Democrat is president.

Remnants of the red scare trying to make a comeback, this time against vanilla American-style liberals, nothing more.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:21 pm

Your god Obama has NO F*#king Right to take what I EARN and DEMAND I spend it the way his SORRY @$$ says..

We should fight pieces of S#!* like you who are so Totalitarian you would try to use Government Force to MAKE us play your politics of hate and theft…F#K you – you Communist Piece of S#!t…

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:22 pm

But you are on Medicaid. So we are paying for your ass.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm

This is Obamacare you ignorant Myth-based liberal Piece of $#!t…so why the F*#k are you talking about Medicaid…you slobbering Dumb@$$…

Clueless Cleetus January 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

I’d like to kindly inform you that yes, Obamacare has a lot to do with Medicaid. Perhaps you should study up on things before you deem yourself proficient in them?

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:28 am

Correct dumbass.Medicaid is bankrupting states and Obamacare is the reason.

Ohio Must Be Bankrupt Then January 29, 2015 at 9:32 am

You support Kasich the Medicaid supporter and Haley the gas tax hiker. You are the liberal.

guest January 29, 2015 at 10:29 am

Mistake for Kasich to do the expanded Medicaid. Already, MOST can’t find a doctor-they are having to go to these ‘mini’ clinics in pharmacy’s (and see a nurse’s aide)and many don’t accept the provider they have for Medicaid.

Just like Obama cut the reimbursement fee’s back on doc’s they will eventually cut federal reimbursement to the states for the expanded program and states will go bankrupt.

Haley didn’t expand Medicaid.

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

I am talking about your Medicaid. You bitch about people not being forced to pay for insurance, but you force me to pay for your insurance, you clueless POS>

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:40 pm

Shut up you ignorant brain-dead, F*@k

John Boy January 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm

Lol…struck a nerve?

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:50 pm

No…I just think you ignorant F*#ks need to shut up…Dumb@$$…

John Boy January 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm

Seriously, you look like a kid throwing a tantrum on the playground. Probably not good for an old fuck, but it’s your health. Anyway, rant on motherfucker, rant on…

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:57 pm

I wish it was his health, but he is on Medicaid. So when he has that heart attack, guess who he expects to pay for it. You and me.

John Boy January 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm

We’ll also incur the costs of having his bunions shaved.

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:26 am

PROOF LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack January 29, 2015 at 10:15 am

We hit a nerve with GTs alter ego. GT why don’t you tell your other personality that you let it slip out you were on Medicaid on another site.

guest January 29, 2015 at 10:24 am

False LIAR.I am not on Medicaid. I am not judging anybody that is on Medicaid.

I am saying you are LYING SOB.

PROOF, please.What I figured-another LIBERAL/SOCIALIST liar.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:08 pm

LMAO…looks like I hit a nerve…Hahahaha…

John Boy January 28, 2015 at 6:12 pm

Nah, but I believe you broke a Press-On Nail trying to.

Squishy123 January 28, 2015 at 6:55 pm

Press-On Nails are what he gets for special occasions, his daily wear ones come from Dollar Store.

John Is Gay January 28, 2015 at 7:46 pm

You’re a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. And you are also a jerk, a cad, and a weasel. I take that back; you are a festering pustule on a weasel’s rump. Plus your life is a monument to stupidity.

John Boy January 28, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Oh, man! Looks like Flip/Pogo unpacked his adjectives!

Saluda Rapids January 28, 2015 at 9:59 pm

You never talked like this on SCPSD. Was the very, very short time your “blog” was alive the time you decided to go on meds? You should try that again. Not the “blog,” b/c that was an unmitigated disaster. I am talking about the meds.

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:45 pm

I will when you do you worthless taker. Rip up that Medicaid Card and pay for your own care.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm

You’re the ‘Best and Brightest’ and that’s the best you can do???…You Dumb-F*#k liberals sure do have low standards for creativity and thought…

Mary January 28, 2015 at 6:16 pm

Liberal?. He is the one arguing we need to cut government health care. Specifically yours..

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:25 am


guest January 29, 2015 at 7:24 am


GT is such an inspiration January 28, 2015 at 9:28 pm

GT doesn’t have much of a vocabulary. If he can’t use a dirty word I doubt if he could say or post anything.

Jack, Jacks Off January 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, you couldn’t pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel.

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:24 am


guest January 29, 2015 at 7:24 am

Proof LIAR!!!

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm

Oh, rubbed a raw spot that time.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:28 pm

No…I don’t think you lazy, anti-American Dirtbags realize how much a majority of the people of this country despise what, and who, you are..

The media protects you..so you’re Stupid enough to believe the Bull-S#!* they feed you…as gospel…

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:31 pm

I’m heading home. You’re nuts. Maybe we need to call the state authorities and have the white jackets stop by and check you out.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm

Perfect Fascist…call the government on people who have a different view point than you…Hitler would be real proud of you and Obama…

Willard Lost, Remember? January 28, 2015 at 5:31 pm

I think a majority of Americans spoke quite loudly in 2012.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Hmmm…Nov. 4 was less than 3 mos ago..DUMB@$$…

Lowered Expectations January 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm

Midterm election with piss poor turnout? Wow, what a mandate buddy. Where was this record crowd two years ago, sitting at home with their thumbs up their asses? Oh, what a shame. I guess they didn’t feel like Obamacare needed to go that badly, huh?

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:50 pm

People are REALLY P!$$ed w/ your god, Dumb@$$…Making excuses for a loss of HISTORICAL proportions may work for Idiots, like you…but we KNOW the truth…

There is no hiding what your god-Obama is doing…people got fooled by the media…but the excuses are not working any more…you party SUCKS and everybody knows it…

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:32 am

Be nice or we may just BAN the Democrat Party after we win the WHITE House in 2016.

In fact I say ban Liberalism while we ban Sharia Law.

Hitler Would Be Proud January 29, 2015 at 9:27 am

Freedom, liberty, and democracy to those who agree with me!

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!

Squishy123 January 28, 2015 at 6:54 pm

I believe his whole body is a raw spot, so it doesn’t take much. The guy is mentally unstable.

Anger Management January 28, 2015 at 5:27 pm

You need to take a chill pill, man. That kind of anger can cause heart problems, and the last thing we need is an uninsured bum like you going to the hospital. You’ll likely ditch on paying your debt, as you are clearly mad at the thought of being personally responsible enough to buy health insurance, and those bills you don’t pay are going to go straight to the rest of us.

Now if you can’t afford coverage and need help, that is another thing. I’d feel for you then. But you will need to start voting for people who are trying to give you that help.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

STFU you ignorant LEFTWING piece of S#!*… A LOT of people feel the same way I feel..

All those people who Slapped the S#!* out of your STUPID @$$ on Nov. 4 hate what you, and your anti-American Cretins have done to our country…

You likely hang around at the coffeehouse and espouse Mao and Stalin theory, never realizing how you could NEVER make it in a world where you actually had to prove your worth…

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm

GT doesn’t need any help from the government. Medicaid pays for his health care!!!

Who January 28, 2015 at 7:43 pm

The best part of you ended up as a brown stain on your mother’s mattress.

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:12 am

Best response to GT? No response.

Rakkapussy January 29, 2015 at 7:16 am

Who r you…the CENSOR police? Stalin,Hitler,Mao,Castro? In 8th grade? ‘Don’t talk to him, he ain’t cool’! What a dumbass you are.

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 8:05 am

Always remember, Grasshopper, the empty vessel sounds the loudest.

guest January 29, 2015 at 8:10 am

If you are afraid of different opinions go somewhere else.

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:25 pm

Socialism and communism have only been used by the right since 2008 – those are right-wing code words for a negative sounding word starting with N that describes folks who have darker than average skin color. See – you can use it nicely. “We should string up that socialist.” No one cares. Say “Let’s go string up that N” – now man, you could get investigated for that. So it’s just word play. If GWB had passed this healthcare reform bill in 2004 Grand Tango and others would say it’s market-based reform.

guest January 28, 2015 at 10:19 pm

Rocky…I am disappointed…you present yourself as the brightest bulb of the marxist, Radical Islamic supporting leftists on FITS…and then play the RACE card when you discover you can’t win a political debate.

Scooter January 28, 2015 at 11:30 pm

Isn’t that the usual strategy?

Excellent Case Study January 29, 2015 at 9:18 am

See? Another right winger flinging the proverbial poo of calling someone a Marxist, who has no clue what Marxism even is outside preconceptions learned by think tank trained pundits. Why be bothered with educating oneself on what Marx believed and judging for yourself? That might be the honest thing to do, but it’s hard work.

Also note the other go-to devil of the Republicans, radical Islam. What does Islam have to do with Marxism, let alone health care? Nobody knows, but it sounds like a sick burn when you combine them all. Don’t worry, everyone is laughing with you, not at you.

Republicans For "Socialism" January 29, 2015 at 8:59 am

“If GWB had passed this healthcare reform bill in 2004 Grand Tango and others would say it’s market-based reform.”

Republicans chose Romney for their candidate in 2012. Replace one so-called socialist with his name on a health care reform package with another so-called socialist with his name on a health care reform package? Great strategy there guys.

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Elect us or the commies will get you. Elect us or the Blacks will take your money. Elect us or the Muslims will enact Sharia law in the United States. That about sums up the GOP’s arguments for election.

Tick Tock January 28, 2015 at 5:38 pm

The great thing for Republicans is that scare propaganda works great on old folks, which is exactly why Fox News’ average viewer tends to be grandma and grandpa. Another great thing is that old people are on Medicare, and although they want to cut that to bits too, they can butcher Medicaid and health insurance for the rest of society without costing themselves their loyal old fart demographic.

The unfortunate thing is that old people don’t live long, so they will die out right along side the boomers.

guest January 28, 2015 at 6:10 pm

I’ve noticed on my tea bagger representative’s facebook most of them bitching about Obamacare are on Medicare. Several others railing on the govt bennies are also on SS disability – which really infuriates me.

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:37 am

Are you infuriated about the 45 million on food stamps or the 92 million adults not working and ALL the above on FREE Medicaid aka Obamacare?

Trilliumgirl January 29, 2015 at 9:04 am

Tick Tock, Have you been mistreated by an older person? It is sad that you are so biased against older citizens. Your older fellow citizens have fought and died so you could express these thoughts. It was during the administration of Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, that the Medicare law was passed. I do agree that some reform was needed in the health insurance industry was needed. Perhaps leaving those with insurance alone and doing something for the 15% that did not have insurance would have made more sense and been more fiscally prudent.

The Equalizer January 28, 2015 at 7:41 pm

I am going to hunt you down and make you eat 45 day old moldy pizza from Papa John’s.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:11 pm

It Is Fascist medicine. The takeover of the entire medical profession, the seizure of and degradation of the medical insurance industry … and this cruel tax on the poor and middle classes.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 8:15 pm

Forcing people to buy USELESS insurance, so freeloaders can ride…is NOT paying your fair share…

The Democrats were the party of Slavery…looks like you’re bringing it back…via Kenya, this time…

jack January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am

It is only worthless if Medicaid is already paying the way it is for you.

GrandTango January 29, 2015 at 12:02 pm

One-Trick Dumb@$$ Much?….

Uh huh January 28, 2015 at 8:25 pm

“Requiring people to have health insurance is not “socialized medicine”.”

No, it’s the part where we all pay for it that’s “socialized”.

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:11 am

Who do you think pays the bills when the poor go to the E.R.?

you this stupid? January 29, 2015 at 7:12 am


Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:17 am

Get real. The feds give them $$ for indigent care. It’s a standard part of the hospital”s budget

RAKKACON January 29, 2015 at 7:19 am


Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:31 am

Comeback when you do your homework. I know it’s harder than just yelling at people, but do try. Sometimes it’s best to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool than open your mouth and confirm it

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 7:44 am

“In 2013, $53.3 billion was paid to help providers offset uncompensated care costs. Most of these funds ($32.8 billion) came from the federal government through a variety of programs including Medicaid and Medicare, the Veterans Health Administration, and other programs. States and localities provided $19.8 billion, and the private sector provided $0.7 billion.”
Kaiser Family Foundation

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:54 am

Ever been to a hospital without insurance? You are sent a bill. You either pay it or it goes to a collection agency.Just like ANY other DEBT.

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 8:09 am

And when it doesn’t get paid and/or collected, what do you think happens? Of course the providers must make effort to collect the money. But in the end, somebody else pays–see above

guest January 29, 2015 at 8:11 am

Just like ANY other debt. Does that mean we nationalize department stores too?

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 8:30 am

Not just like any other debt. See Kaiser Family Foundation data above

Tweedle Dumb January 29, 2015 at 9:52 am

If it’s going to collections, then hospitals already know they aren’t getting much of anything. Once fees and interest is tacked on the debt becomes wholly unaffordable and the patient declares bankruptcy. The hospital still loses money.

Guess who makes up for that lost money?

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Right. YOUR medical bill, YOUR insurance premiums, and YOUR TAXES

mamatiger92 January 29, 2015 at 8:47 am


Uh huh January 29, 2015 at 8:17 am

So you admit it’s socialized medicine then?

Your only gripe is that you are claiming it’s already socialized?

Do you realize that you are disagreeing with the number 1 “thumbs up” post?(LD) Also the peanut gallery too…they are all saying it’s not….

Rakkasan January 29, 2015 at 8:28 am

My point is that your you were (pre-Obamacare) and are already paying for it through tax dollars.

Uh huh January 30, 2015 at 6:01 pm

..and by doing so you are admitting it’s socialized.

Paging Alan Grayson January 29, 2015 at 9:48 am

The only way health care is affordable is if other people pay for it. What do you think insurance is? A bunch of people paying into a system so that the sickest of that group benefits most and the healthiest benefit least. If we all paid for every last expense by ourselves we’d be putting on a second mortgage just to get an MRI done.

We also already paid for people who went to the ER but could not actually afford the treatment. Who do you think pays for that? Maybe we should just let them die on the curb outside the hospital, that might save us a few bucks, right?

guest January 28, 2015 at 10:12 pm

Horseshit. Yes it is. If you are on the ‘expanded’ Medicaid in certain state you ain’t payin nothin.

Obama wants to put these people in prison and take their homes so illegals have FREE health insurance.

The Colonel January 29, 2015 at 9:43 am

I notice you take off on the “Socialist-Marxist” debate but fail to address the truth that Obamacare was all smoke and mirrors that will cost the taxpayers $50,000 a person over the next ten years.

Jack January 29, 2015 at 10:12 am

You are behind the times. That number came from the Fake News Network, and has been debunked.

The Colonel January 29, 2015 at 11:18 am

From Politifact: “…The basic math is correct. Divide $1.35 trillion by 27 million people and you get $50,000…”

They go on to say that the number is “…meaningless….[because]…You can’t divide a 10-year spending number by the average number of people who are newly insured,” Antos said. “That’s not the way it works….”

Hate to disagree with Mr. Antos but that’s exactly how it works – in any business that has a clue about costs. Mr. Antos goes on to say; “…”Good arithmetic doesn’t count when it’s based on bad logic. Obamacare is expensive and inefficient, but this doesn’t prove that.”

LD January 28, 2015 at 5:03 pm

But for other reasons the ACA is a train wreck.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm

But your going to have to bend over and cough before They tell you what all of those extra costs are.

tomstickler January 28, 2015 at 9:00 pm

I know! The latest projection of healthcare costs by the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation show that Obamacare is expected to save only $101 billion over the next ten years compared to their previous cost projection, and will result in a downward revision in the net costs of those provisions of $139 billion — or 20 percent — for the five-year period ending in 2019, the last year of the 10-year budget window used in that original estimate.

Surely the Republicans have a better plan!

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:17 pm

REPEAL Obamacare. We must do it for the fitness of our country…DO NOT accept NO from your representatives. BADGER them EVERY DAY w/ e-mails and phone calls.

Forcing you to BUY what the Government DEMANDS you buy is a GESTAPO tactic.

Obama, and the liberal Democrats don’t understand freedom…We fought B@$*@rd$ like Obama…and shed a lot of blood against Tyrants like him…

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:19 pm

You’re a drama queen. You wearing the panties I sent you?

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:23 pm

Give your Freedom to your Filthy god of Hate and theft…but I will fight you on this. And the people I vote for are standing up to you Despicable pieces of S#!t at every juncture.

We have shed blood to stop tyrants and robber-barons like you…

No Republican will get elected w/o VOWING to eliminate Obamacare on Day 1, as the people stand and cheer…You will lose this…it is HATED by the Americans who BUILT this country…..You will not continue to tear it down…

Rocky January 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Breath slowly. In…….out………in………out. Really – I’m worried about your health at this moment.
Honestly, did you freak out like this over civil rights too? Shed blood? Ha!!! You gonna start a revolt over health insurance? Serously? “Hey, my premiums went up $5, that bastard. Get the guns boys!”

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:32 pm

I’m real healthy…you STUPID F*#k…I don’t smoke dope or do pills (little helpers) like you liberals…I’m so healthy I could slap the P!$$ out of your ignorant @$$ all day long..and never get tired…

Healthy By Whose Standards? January 28, 2015 at 5:34 pm

I’m afraid you are displaying a clear lack of mental health right now. Perhaps you should lie down, listen to some soothing music, meditate for a few minutes, and come back when the voices in your head quiet down a bit?

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm

Then for god sakes tear up that Medicaid Card, and get a job.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:09 pm

Ignorant lazy-mind Cliche much?

Squishy123 January 28, 2015 at 6:53 pm

I think it’s fairly obvious that GT doesn’t work, he’s on this blog more than Will is.

Squishy123 January 28, 2015 at 6:52 pm

GT getting physical, now that’s a sight I’d pay to see. I bet he’s used to getting into slap fights… with his “partner”.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:20 pm

Costs are down? When? From last night?

The total costs of ObamaCare have risen steadily since the original Gruberment projection of 2008. Now these increased costs are running more than 200% above those original Gruberized promises. Deductibles are up triple, too.

tomstickler January 28, 2015 at 9:03 pm

See my post above showing projected costs are down not up from original projections.


guest January 29, 2015 at 8:09 am

lol..we give MILLIONS of people FREE Medicaid and you say costs are down???

We don’t graduate people this fucking stupid at THE Ohio State University so I believe you went to Michigan or Clemson. :-)

tomstickler January 29, 2015 at 10:49 am

Oh, it’s you Flip.

Hey, check out who was the editor of the 1961-1962 Sundial, then get back to me.

guest January 29, 2015 at 10:52 am

So you were a liberal reporter spreading the word of Castro and revolution in your youth? It all makes sense now. :-)

tomstickler January 29, 2015 at 10:55 am

No, that was Phil Ochs, not me.

guest January 29, 2015 at 8:06 am

NIce math dumbass.WE give MILLIONS FREE Medicaid insurance under Obamacare and YOU say costs are down?

Obama is a Christian, too.

Bible Scholar January 29, 2015 at 9:59 am

He’s a better Christian than you.

guest January 29, 2015 at 10:25 am

Thanks Muhammed.

Yelsewh January 28, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Thanks to EMTALA (signed into law by President Reagan) we’ve had universal healthcare since 1986 so
actually, Will, what we’re really talking about is 6 million people being penalized for not paying for a service that they already receive. I figured that you’d be a little harsher on these free loading deadbeats who aren’t taking personal responsibility for the costs of their healthcare.

Jack January 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm

He would except there is no way to make that Obama’s fault.

euwe max January 28, 2015 at 5:36 pm Reply
FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Right you are! And as you know, BummerCare is equal opportunity … No matter the color of your face, you are going to have to pay!

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Obamacare Is More Unpopular Than Ever, Poll Shows

A majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, the highest share ever. People who view Obamacare favorably is 37 percent

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 5:45 pm

And Obama called ISIS the JV, if only we had a White House that was JV instead of out to recess.

CBO Report: Obamacare to Cost Government $50K Per Person

Bill January 28, 2015 at 5:52 pm

Did you stumble into the wrong topic or just not like this topic.

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 5:59 pm

You obviously don’t like the CBO Report.

guest January 28, 2015 at 6:06 pm Reply
Lego Doll January 28, 2015 at 6:08 pm

Hee hee hee

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 6:15 pm

It’s the CBO, you know the ones the administration gave numbers to a few time to get the report they wanted. How can it be false?

guest January 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm

Stuart Varney of Fox News interrupted the data to come up with that figure. Read the article – even conservative think tanks said it is baloney.
None of the health care experts we reached, regardless of their economic philosophies or thoughts about the health care law, found any merit in the math that produced this figure. It’s most glaring defect is that it compares a 10-year cumulative total to a single-year snapshot of the number of people who gained insurance.

Any analysis that accounted for the years of coverage people gained would yield a dollar figure considerably less than the $50,000 cited by Varney.

We rate the claim False.

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 6:31 pm

I don’t trust the CBO either as the matter of fact I don’t trust the politicians that give the CBO the numbers they crunch. Figures don’t lie but liars figure.

BTW my doctors don’t much care for the ACA, at least that is what they’ve told me.

Carl January 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

US Doctors are the most highly compensated professionals in the world. It does nor surprise me they want absolutely no changes to the current system.
Over his lifetime, the Average American will pay two times for health care what the Average Canadian will pay. Yet the average Canadian lives longer and is healthier than the average American..

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 6:48 pm

Damn the 1%.

george January 28, 2015 at 7:32 pm

How many years of education does the average doctor obtain and what is the average med school debt? How much of the doctor’s salary pays for malpractice insurance for the most litigious society in the world?

idcydm January 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm

I have an Uncle that was and anesthesiologist and he had a patient that complained about his bill. Why does it cos that much to put someone to sleep? My uncle replied, waking you up is the trick.

I can’t imagine the cost of malpractice insurance today, it was bad enough when Uncle was sill in practice twenty years ago.

Keep up the good work Doc.

guest January 29, 2015 at 8:03 am

Move to Canada and why then are Canadians some of the most miserable SOB’s in the world? Just ask a service industry worker in Myrtle Beach.

guest January 29, 2015 at 8:01 am

So what? The American people know the truth and they informed you on November 4th.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:15 pm

Yeah, I think Politifact said it’s $100K per person……that’s probably more like it…

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:29 pm

… and They are going to make the IRS do the collecting. … Meaning the Helots will be first, then small businesses, then Everybody else (except the very rich “progressive” elites).

guest January 28, 2015 at 5:52 pm

Here’s a tidbit – 2015 BCBSSC plans on the ACA market had a maximum increase this year of .86% with an average change of -2.34%. The grandfathered BCBSSC plans (the ones everyone think are cheaper and wanted to keep- cuz I don’t need no stinkin maternity coverage etc..) went up 9.50%. So my grandfathered plan with less benefits and protections is now more expensive than the ACA plans. The last 4 years BSBS has increased the grandfathered plans between 9.4 and 10%, which has been about the norm since 2004. Either 2009 or 2010 they didn’t request a hike due to the recession. My understanding is BCBS doesn’t have to answer to the feds about the grandfathered plans rate hikes, only the SC Dept of Insurance. Of course, SC DOI merrily grants it to them.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm

Burp … Sounds like Gruberized pop corn to me.

Consider yourself lucky, chump. Your taxsucking days are also numbered.

YR IP address tells us you are using a g’ment machine to post here. Take a hike.

guest January 28, 2015 at 6:30 pm

It is very true. I contacted my state rep who in turn had the SC DOI contact me. Which was pretty much a lot of double talking on their part about BCBSSC providing the data and they just didn’t rubber stamp rate hike requests. Feel free to check out the SC DOI website the rate increases for the ACA plans it is on their site. I’m not sucking off anybody I am paying full freight.

FastEddy23 January 30, 2015 at 12:46 pm

“… I’m not sucking off anybody I am paying full freight.”

So, you are a g’ment Helot, after all?

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:04 pm

You all could just say No.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:13 pm

EXACTLY…and inundate your House and Senate members w/ phone and e-mail DEMANDS they Flush this God-awful Disaster before it hurts more Americans..and steal more of our wealth and freedom for the sake of stupidity……

We CANNOT let this S#!tty debacle metastasize. It is one of the WORST things the Democrats have perpetuated in our History…and remember Democrats were the dictators of Slavery…

FastEddy23 January 29, 2015 at 12:50 pm

“… Democrats were the dictators of Slavery…”

Were? These recent times “progressive” Fascists are slavers, manipulating the masses (and most democrats and too many republicrats) to believe they are not slaves.

Helots: from the ancient Greek, a slave who does not know it.

GrandTango January 29, 2015 at 2:05 pm

My bad…thanks for correcting me.

FastEddy23 January 30, 2015 at 12:29 pm

We all too often lump the democrat rank and file in with the intent to defraud The People by the “progressive” Fascist elites.

The main stream democrats do not really understand how they are being manipulated …

BummerCare is a perfect example of the “progressives” working to raise taxes on everybody without letting the vast main stream know … ” is good for the poor …” then BOHICA to the poor with new fines, new fees, additional taxes, tithes, and tributes.

GrandTango January 30, 2015 at 12:32 pm

Good point….you are right.

george January 28, 2015 at 6:14 pm

The working poor can’t afford Obamacare. Ironically, I see twice as many uninsured primary care patients daily now than compared with 3 years ago in my clinic. The working poor simply can’t afford the expensive premiums…the non workers, however, pay very little so they seem to benefit from the program.

Jack January 28, 2015 at 6:19 pm

Expanded Medicaid was to take care of the working poor, but SC refused it. So the people in SC who are left out are the working poor. In states that accepted expanded Medicaid, the working poor have Medicaid.

Squishy123 January 28, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Isn’t that because the plan is only temporarily funded by federal money and after a year or two that funding will need to come from the state, which can’t afford to cover the cost?

Jack January 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm

No, SC is a 70% federal match state on regular Medicaid. The Federal share will never go below the state’s match on regular Medicaid. The income generated by the dollars flowing into the state for doctors, hospitals, nurses, staff, buildings, etc. will easily produce enough tax revenue for the state to pay the 30%. It always has. That is why it is so hard to cut Medicaid. To cut a 100 mill from Medicaid requires us to cut 300+ million in services and saves the state virtually nothing.

Tom January 28, 2015 at 7:19 pm

Not to mention the fact that currently the working poor are going to the emergency room. The hospital provides care and then writes off the charge. However, because the hospital still has the expenses, They increase their rates on paying patients. This increases the cost of care, the cost the insurance company pays, and the insurance premiums the rest of us pay. So we end up paying anyway, but with no federal help.

george January 28, 2015 at 7:36 pm

Makes one wonder how we can afford to foot the bill for millions of “undocumented” people who illegally entered this country and who receive free medical care…

guest January 28, 2015 at 7:28 pm

If SC expanded Medicaid coverage under ACA-
January 1, 2014, the federal government will pay 100 percent of the cost of certain newly eligible adult Medicaid beneficiaries. These payments will be in effect through 2016, phasing down to a permanent 90 percent matching rate by 2020.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:53 pm

Lucky You! If SC truly has “left you out” of expanded Medicare and BummerCare, then guess what? You don’t have to pay! (Call ’em and tell ’em so.)

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:53 pm

That plan would have doubled the number of Medicaid recipients…and the money Obama was taking from other taxpayers to give would not have covered all the additional users…

Not to mention the federal gov’t is BROKE thanks to Obama…so there would be no money to pay for it…

Jack January 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm

As usual you are clueless. As a Medicaid recipient yourself you would think you would have a better knowledge of how the system works. But you are just a taker. No need to listen to you.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:49 pm

It’s OK. Gruberment will just take outta your food stamps.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:51 pm

Precisely…Obama’s people don’t work, but get everything free…while the payers…are scewed….

That can only last for so long. He will run out of our money…and our patience…

Limbaughsaphatkhunt January 28, 2015 at 6:25 pm

The problem with Obamacare is that it’s a GOP idea developed years ago in a republican think tank.

The Dems would have been better off passing a single payer system when they had full control of gov’t from 2008 to 2010…take the political losses and wait for the public to rebound once it started to work. But alas, we’re stuck with this…which is better than nothing by the way. The fact that the US would allow millions of its own citizens to go without something as basic as healthcare (and don’t give me that emergency room bullshit) is abominable for the self proclaimed greatest country in the world.

FastEddy23 January 28, 2015 at 6:44 pm

You lying sack of road apples.

ObamaCare is totally a “progressive” Fascist Central Planning Hose-Up. … Invented by Woodrow Wilson and his “progressive” think tank to emulate the power takeover methods outlined by Karl Marx, then popularized by none other than Benito Mussolini and Adolfo Hitler … When the really ugly version of “single payer” communized medicine was instituted by Bloody Joe Stalin, he combined it with his Party’s plans for the Death Panels, the death of Russian Jews, Gypsies, Blacks and the outspoken … now referred to as The Purges = More than 20 Million Russian Citizens dead.

Wipe your nose.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt January 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Ok first of all, the wipe your nose joke is not funny. It’s just annoying.

Secondly, your shit is flying faster than a Sarah Palin speech in Iowa. I’ve already told you once…check out the best countries in the world (based on metrics…not emotion) and you’ll see they have universal health care.

It’s not like America needs to reinvent the wheel on health care, we just need to go down to the tire shop and pick some up.

wha? January 29, 2015 at 12:17 am

Eddie you do realize hitler would technically have been hyperbolic far right wing, not left wing….just sayin’

guest January 29, 2015 at 7:58 am

No .Hitler killed millions of Jews.
The LEFTISTS in this country advocate killing millions of unborn children.
Hitler was a LEFTIST by today’s definition.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

They had to CHEAT and Backdoor the plan they thrust upon un-wanting Americans as it was…remember: “We have to pass it to see what’s in it?”….

And a WAKE of Obamacare-voters carcasses line the Beltway today because of it…They rammed this piece of $#!t down our throats… And Republicans will be Punished severely with their offices if they fail to totally GUT Obamacare…there is no hiding from it…No excuses will be accepted from the American people…

You have to be a Stupid MoFo to believe you could have forced an even more Totalitarian bundle of Bull-S#!t….on us…

Limbaughsaphatkhunt January 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Up the dose bro.

GrandTango January 28, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Keep living the myths, bro…

Overdose January 29, 2015 at 9:57 am

I have a feeling he’s already at maximum strength, don’t kill the poor fellow.

Negotiate w/ American Taliban January 29, 2015 at 9:55 am

They avoided single payer because they didn’t want to be seen as socialist. You can see how well that strategy worked out for them.

All of Them Suck January 28, 2015 at 7:39 pm

We The People are THE LAW. Fuck the US Supreme Court. And fuck Obama, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Harry Reid, Nancy Piglosi, John Boehner, and Nikki “Bullshit Lips” Haley. Oh? And to Grand Tango: Bite Me!

Elfego January 28, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Only an idiot can not tell what a Zero we have in the White House!

Scooter January 28, 2015 at 11:29 pm

He is lying again.

ThreePalms January 29, 2015 at 6:42 am

It is easy to avoid this penalty for breaking this law. Get health insurance. Those who refuse to carry health insurance are simply expecting the rest of us to pay their medical expenses.

Robert January 29, 2015 at 8:25 am

You can argue many points of the Care Act, but “wreck the economy”? Please.

FastEddy23 January 29, 2015 at 12:14 pm

“Up to 30 million taxpayers to claim Obamacare exemption” – Drudge This AM

“… Exemptions are available for those who were homeless, faced eviction, got a shut-off notice from a utility or had their employer-sponsored plans canceled and simply believed they couldn’t afford a plan on their own.

Illegal immigrants are also not required to pay the tax penalty.

The government’s efforts to keep up with the first Obamacare tax season come even as the Obama administration is fighting in court to keep the tax subsidies in place. …” – Washington Times Online 1/29/2015 – http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/20-percent-taxpayers-claim-obamacare-exemption/

Wanna bet you and yours are not allowed that exemption? If you are getting ANY kind of Gruberment subsidy, like food stamps or “low income housing”, OR applied for BummerCare, whether you got it or not, You Will Have To Pay!

To get this “tax break” exemption, You all gotta be homeless, facing eviction and can’t pay utilities … or illegal.

Puts a whole new smiley face of having a Mazatlan drivers license, available on most east LA street corners for $10 bucks. You may quote me: Fast Eduardo.

Lennon Durden January 30, 2015 at 10:29 am

Ok you dummies pay attention
• Medicaid was implemented decades ago to provide health care to the less fortunate. It is rife with fraud and abuse.
• this socialized medicine might work for 50,000,000 Canadians cause they’re used to having the life taxed out of them.
• 300,000,000 plus Americans (and illegal immigrants) simply cannot subsidize health care
• asking me to take on the burden of paying for fat diabetes ridden alcoholic tobacco users (of which there are millions ) is an unfair tax burden on myself. I do not drink smoke or use drugs. I eat healthily and I’ve rarely visited a doctor. However I’m being asked to pay for fat Alberts quadruple bypass.
I say to you that I am not my brothers keeper
• Obama has so fouled up health care that for the next generations they may well have to go to Canada for any health care at all
• the next generation will leave the medical field in droves. What is the incentive to become a nurse or a doctor or an anaesthesiologist if health care laws have crippled your industry. We will all be served by the Internet doctor
• Obama having made this mess will be entrenched in Kenya spouting Muslim beliefs
• the republicans won both houses. Where are they?!?
Why hasn’t someone tried to repeal this monstrosity as being unconstitutional ?!!

What is wrong with America ?!? Obama is what’s wrong with America.
Can I have an amen.

And you dullards who think this is free health care?!?
How’d your tax refund look this year !?!?

Robert Evans January 31, 2015 at 7:10 am

If you can afford health insurance but you do not have it, you are a freeloader, leeching off of productive members of society. Everyone runs a risk of getting medical bills they can never repay, which results in medical bankruptcies and the expenses pushed back to the healthcare providers, who then raise rates.

If you can’t afford health insurance, you’re still a freeloader, but giving such people health insurance to let them see a doctor now, is cheaper in the long run than paying for their emergency room bills later.


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