TRUE CONFESSIONS OF A SOCIALIZED MEDICINE DISCIPLE …
By FITSNEWS || If you’ve never heard of Jonathan Gruber, you’re excused. Until this month he’d only really been famous once – for a 2012 interview in which he made it abundantly clear that the intention of Obamacare (a law he co-authored) was to bribe states into setting up their own health care “exchanges.”
Gruber’s 2012 statements have been widely cited in the wake of last week’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to take up King v. Burwell – a case examining the legality of the taxing and spending authority in the thirty-six states that did not establish state-run exchanges.
Bottom line? If the court rules in accordance with the letter – and intent – of Barack Obama‘s signature domestic achievement, then its subsidies (and the taxes which support them) are invalid in more than two-thirds of the country.
Anyway … as the Justices were agreeing to take up this case, Gruber was busy making more bad news for the beleaguered Obama administration.
Specifically, a YouTube video from last October began making the rounds in which Gruber asserted “the stupidity of the American voter” enabled Obama and his allies to conceal the true cost of the socialized medicine monstrosity.
In a confession similar to this revealing admission from one of the Federal Reserve’s money printers, Gruber discusses how the bill was “written in a tortured way” to make sure the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) scored it a certain way.
“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. “Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”
Here’s the clip …
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And there you have it …
For those of you keeping score at home, FITS addressed the CBO Obamacare estimates in this March 2010 post – just days before the U.S. House voted to move the controversial legislation forward. We knew the numbers were bogus and we said so … while Obama’s administration apparently knew the numbers were bogus but engaged in a coordinated and deliberate effort to deceive the public regardless.
In fairness, most American voters are really, really, stupid.
Leave no doubt that Chiles is an elitist statist and has no problem using the force of goverment to help you run your life as he thinks it should be run.
The Founding Fathers were elitist statists too bro.
I don’t think it was the founding father’s intention for leaders to lie to the citizens.
It was for only landowners to vote because most everyone else was too dumb to vote.
That is not why they were not given the vote.
Property tax was the primary method of funding government.
They thought that only people who had a stake in funding government should decide it’s policies. Not because they were idiots.
Maybe, but they weren’t into running other people’s lives for the most part. (who weren’t slaves that is)
The Alien and Sedition acts beg to differ.
You know a lot people hated Adams for that, and it was because he was a loud mouthed fat man with little man’s complex.
But regardless, even if I grant your point, you are effectively arguing for Orwell’s “boot stamping on a human face.”
It’s a bit of irony that the Founders hated England telling everyone what to do but then jumped for glee for the opportunity to do it here themselves.
True. The radicals on both sides seem to have had a moderating force on each other which resulted in our balancing act today.
Sure, history expert. Self-interest is no doubt responsible for the following short excerpt from a long list of sacrificers who signed the Declaration of Independence:
Francis Lewis, New York: His wife was captured by the British in 1776 and later died as a result of her captivity. Lewis himself lived out his years in relative poverty, having sacrificed his independent fortune to the cause of patriotism during the War of Independence.
Phillip Livingston, New York: He and his family had to flee their home to escape the British army and never returned.
Lewis Morris, New York: His family fled the approaching British army, which plundered his estate, destroyed hundreds of acres of crops, and took his livestock.
John Hart, New Jersey: Hessians destroyed Hart’s farm, livestock, and other property. The hardships brought on by the destruction caused Hart’s wife to become sick, and she died as her husband was trying to reach her. Hart was forced to flee into the woods and slept in caves when the British troops invaded New Jersey. His children were forced into hiding and sought refuge with family and friends.
Richard Stockton, New Jersey: He was dragged from his bed by a group of royalists and imprisoned in New York, where he was denied basic necessities. He was finally released, but he had endured so much suffering that he never fully recovered. His fortune was nearly wiped out, his lands ruined, his papers and library were burned, and his livestock seized. For a while, he was forced to depend on the good will of his friends for survival.
George Clymer, Pennsylvania: His family eluded British soldiers who ransacked their house. Clymer was in Philadelphia during this time. When British troops arrived there, they found where he lived and started to tear the building down and only stopped when told the house didn’t belong to Clymer.
William Ellery, Rhode Island: His house was burned down and the rest of his property was destroyed while the British army occupied Newport.
Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Thomas Heyward, South Carolina: All three were imprisoned at St. Augustine, Fla., for almost a year.
Thomas Nelson Jr., Virginia: He lost his fortune aiding the war effort and died a poor man.
John Morton, Pennsylvania: On his deathbed, he asked those in attendance to tell his enemies—those who didn’t forgive him for voting in favor of independence—that one day it would be acknowledged that casting his vote was the most important act of his life.
Abraham Clark, New Jersey: Two of Clark’s sons were officers in the army. They were captured by the British and confined to the prison ship Jersey, where thousands of American captives died. One was held in solitary confinement and given no food. Reportedly, Clark still refused to change his position and support the crown when the British offered to spare his sons’ lives if he did so. His headstone reads:
Firm and decided as a patriot,
zealous and faithful as a friend to the public,
he loved his country, and adhered to her cause
in the darkest hours of her struggles
OK, you can go back to getting your “facts” from MSNBC now.
You seem dumb.
Huh? Jackie points out the obvious–and you call that an elitist statist?
The obvious being the general population is dumb, I’m fine with that.
I’m not fine with them, which also catches many of us, being treated like cattle.
If you want an aristocracy, don’t be foolish enough to think you aren’t going to be paying for it. The few that become aristocracy won’t give two shits about those that aren’t. They’ll milk you like a tax cow and use your productivity to enrich themselves and throw you the leftovers, all via the state.
“They’ll milk you like a tax cow and use your productivity to enrich themselves and throw you the leftovers, all via the state.”
Oooh…you mean, like modern-day politicians? Gotcha.
Don’t agree. Uninformed, but not stupid. My guess is that SCOTUS Roberts is chomping at the bit to show the socialists occupying the wHite House that he is NOW informed.
Oh my!!! Good bye Obamacare!!!
Fascinating take on your “SCOTUS Roberts” prediction. Tell me, where does this knowledge of “SCOTUS Roberts” originate from?
“Tell me, where does this knowledge of “SCOTUS Roberts” originate from?”
What a silly question! It originates from the same place that he/she pulls all of his/her information – his/her ass!
You don’t think Roberts reads the newspaper?
Obama has not only lost the trust and confidence of the voters but also EVERY major institution in this country, including the Pentagon.
Why would SCOTUS be any different?
If SCOTUS Roberts applies the same line of reasoning to the subsidy issue as he applied to the Medicaid expansion penalty in NFIB v. Sebelius, he will rule that any intent by Congress to coerce states to set up exchanges by denial of subsidies to their citizens who signed up on a federal exchange would violate the Tenth Amendment.
He can thus find for the King/Halbig plaintiffs, but still allow the subsidies for federal exchange enrollees just like he allowed states to refuse to expand Medicaid without penalty.
“In fairness, most American voters are really, really, stupid.”
If you’re talking about the majority of the voters last week, I agree with you 100%
I’m talking about the majority of voters in any week. Whether it’s believing that Obama will pay your gas bill, phone bill, mortgage, etc., or that Obama wants the FCC to remove all Republican websites from the internet, most people in the US are nowhere near informed enough to be voting.
Or believing that Republicans give a rat’s ass about the middle class or working Americans.
” Whether it’s believing that Obama will pay your gas bill, phone bill, mortgage,”
What I find odd about your statement, is that under his regime he is paying their bills.
Especially the ‘poor ones’ who live in the deep south. They believe in trickle down economics and honestly believe that they too belong to the 1%…
What a racist comment. Typical from a liberal. You socialists are intolerant SOB’s.
Your Republican hero, Lee Atwater wins that prize bozo! You guys are still using everything out of his racist playbook.
Obama uses the Muslim Brotherhood playbook. Next.
You mean the Muslim Brotherhood that was almost completely wiped out by the Egyptian army?
Yes. The one that Obama installed after getting rid of Mubarak and then the people/military got rid of.
Obama almost got away with it. He did in Libya
You do realize that the poor people living in the deep south are pretty much the entire southern democratic party right?
He/she won’t get it. :-)
The deep south is poor period….Republicans run SC and has for a very long time. So don’t blame the Democratic Party for SC being poor…same for all the other RED Southern states…
The deep south seems poor on paper largely due to the higher percentage of minorities than in other states. Now, that’s obviously due to slavery’s stain on the region. I’m not blaming poor blacks for being poor blacks, obviously more needs to be done to help them escape poverty, but let’s not pretend that the majority of SC’s republicans are people living in trailers on food stamps.
Will, you reported on the allegation that an unknown Democratic operative was allegedly taking down Finlay signs, when are you going to report on the guy ARRESTED in Richland County for removing a Democrat’s signs?
Does this story not rate coverage from you because he was arrested for removing the signs of a Democrat?
He’s right. What’s that quote about in a time of lies the truth is subversive?
“Truth is treason in an empire of lies.”-Ron Paul
In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
LMAO!!! Grubber is Smirks!!(a lying dork and socialist)
Gruber’s honesty about his dishonesty is refreshing….sickening.
Wow… Will is a typical Republican…gets all hot and bothered at the thought of their fellow Americans being able to purchase affordable health care. Pure outrage at that thought of some unemployed person using food stamps too.
The conservative right has always been obsessed with “individual” moochers BUT give corporate moochers a pass. Republicans win the prize for the old conquer and divide tactic….it worked so well for them in the past and continues to be their party platform today.
“fellow Americans being able to purchase affordable health care.”
I know a lot MORE Americans who AREN’T purchasing “affordable” health care now. Did we fix any problem? No. If you couldn’t afford healthcare before, its almost a certainty you can’t afford it now, nor teh fines you’ll pay because you can’t afford it now.
Google analyses of the Burwell case. I looked at several that were done for non-political healthcare organizations. The bottom line is that even if the Supreme Court ruled against Obama, it won’t kill Obamacare. In fact, most of the states that would be affected are red states where the pool of unhealthy people makes it hard to offer affordable insurance without subsidies. Millions of people in red states will see health insurance become unaffordable. Nice job, Republicans. Way to look out for your own.
LMAO!!! No problem. Once we have the White House in 2017 we will just cut off health insurance to the ‘blue’ states. That should pay the costs in the ‘red’ states.
You might have to get past the 60+% of the population that live in the Blue States and who have been funding the red states for decades, because Republicans like to keep their population dumb and poor..
Right about that! The republicrats in blue states do pay more than their share of the taxes … but that won’t last much longer.
You guys ready for an influx of blue state tax dodgers? … They are bringing their money … and businesses … and jobs.
Mmmmmm … or maybe just pay for the food stamps.
NOt bad. Let me recalculate.
who voted for them? I wish those red state people would just vote democrat and all there problems would be solved!
Yes, nice job! Those demo / Helots have no one to blame but themselves.
“Obamacare Architect: You Are Stupid!”…I was playing golf with a democrat friend of mine, he made a comment about how the CBO said the ACA would pay for itself. I asked if he really believed that and he said yes. He must of been one of the stupid ones.
And yet some of you still voted for Democrats last Tuesday. Unbelievable.
If you think it’s only the White House and Democrats that think we are stupid, then your are the most stupid of all. *Unbelievable*
No what’s even more unbelievable is that people like you voted for a governor who is on her way to her homeland as I type for a 10 day family reunion (at tax payer expense) and has the nerve to call it a business trip to “lure” jobs to SC. Now that’s funny!
lol!!! Where the fuck is Obama? The lawless and corrupt marxist is in China BOWING to it’s dictator and praising communism.
No worries. I bet they let him slip his ‘prayer rug’ in.
I guess all you SC Republican parrots can do is deflect from the discussion at hand by mentioning President Obama or other DC politicians. I think there’s a name for that….DEFLECTION.
Don’t forget that he’s actually wearing a “Mao Suit” while doing it too! lol
LMAO!!! The commies dressed him up like Mao to make fun of him and he didn’t even get it.
Of course Sandi voted for Haley, who do you think pays her salary?
The ACA has been smoke and mirrors from the beginning and here’s just more proof.
The House should pass a spending bill that extends budget authority until February and beginning in January pass a budget as required by law. Once that’s done, they need to secure the border but take no other immigration action. At that point they can take up repeal and replace or repair or whatever else they want to call it. I’d be in favour of repealing the whole thing, passing a universal coverage requirement and a law allowing insurance companies to write policies nation wide.
“I’d be in favour of repealing the whole thing, passing a universal coverage requirement and a law allowing insurance companies to write policies nation wide.”
On the surface this seems like a good idea. What would you do for poor people? What type of universal coverage requirement would there be?
Expand Medicaid in all 50 states for the children and the disabled.
Cut adults off the Food Stamp program that are not working a VERIFIABLE 30 hours a week (no work-no eat)-continue to allow the children to get food assistance.
Use this savings for the expanded Medicaid.
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It is a great thing to be loved!
I’m pretty sure GT/ Emily/SCPSD thinks I’m a !()=_$/:; and a =)(#:;+.
You can add me to the fan club as well. The colonel is , at times , a little full of shit but for the most part knowledgeable and down to earth. It would be interesting serving under his command.
Im in favor of ending all free healtcare for military members and retirees.
Let em pay like everybody else!
Most of us reservists do. I only get free care when I have no other option (I.e. I’m deployed). While I understand your point, in your ignorance, you fail to see that the military health care system is a must accept system (you get your shot when you’re told to) and it is a major part of military readiness. Injuries and disease have killed far more Soldiers than all of the weapons ever created.
We fixed a problem of 30 million people not having healthcare by breaking everyone else’s.
We should have spent the money that was spent on the website alone on fixing what was really broken.
But insurance was the real target here; noone should be fooled into thinking it was done for “healthcare” reasons.
There was more affecting actual healthcare in the hi tech act of ARRA than there was in the entire ACA.
I keep seeing 30,000,000 and 25,000,000 and 20,000,000. Let’s get the numbers right, the last best count was just shy of 8,500,000.
I was being conservative, using the biggest number I’ve seen.
And I agree with you.
I’d rather have this law than not have this law
This is why I don’t like these Big Government do-gooders. The end ALWAYS justifies the means with these people.
Gruber is like most people who do evil things. It is not enough that they do evil things, but that they are proud of it. So proud that they must brag about it. This is the down fall of many criminals. They bragged to someone who then turns them in.
Anyone who is ignorant enough to call the ACA, the nationwide version of the Republican/Heritage/Romneycare plan, ‘socialized’ medicine has no credibility on anything.
Well, it certainly extends the costs of the 30 million who did not have insurance among the others who already had insurance.
That seems like a socialized vehicle to me. What does it mean to you?
The VA hospital system is the only socialized medicine we have in this country because the government agency directly employs the doctors who treat the government insurance covered patients.
If you think privately purchased insurance (some subsidized by government) for people to use at private doctors is socialized medicine, go for it. But, I doubt that many of the countries that have socialized medicine would consider this GOP/Heritage/Romneycare plan socialized medicine.
Republicans don’t have a clue what Socialism is. Give it up. They think Socialism is the government paying for anything they do not want it to pay for. That’s the Fox News definition.
Socialism is anything that Fox News/Breitbart/Heritage Foundation/Rush Limbaugh doesn’t like.
Dat red scare is alive and well.
Your phrase “some subsidized by government” is the key part you attempt to gloss over.
If there are 30 million that were added to the insurance dole…who do you think is paying for that subsidized (or free for many) part?
It’s the guy ( and many like him) whose premiums went up 100% and their deductible tripled. What’s your definition of that?
And you’re confusing your terms here..it isn’t socialized healthcare, it socialized healthcare premiums.
Democrats support ACA. , Voters are stupid. Therefore Democrat voters are stupid. If they weren’t they would be Republican voters.
Latest: The President committed yet another huge stupid error yesterday in China … walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Fox, Charles and Bill have it right: “They just don’t even know how stupid They look”.
Now, the Chinese could absolutely devastate the US economy, just ’cause they can. And that would be in keeping with the Chinese traditions of more than three thousand years.
“We are so screwed … “
The stupid !!! Democrat congressmen and women. Senators and Reps. Everyone. Stupid. They are the only ones who voted for the deceit and lies of the ACA. Democrat voters get kudos for being stupid enough to support the deceitful Democrat congress