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Supreme Court To Hear Obamacare Subsidy Challenge

RULING COULD SINK SOCIALIZED MEDICINE LAW …  By FITSNEWS || The U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to hear a case that could conceivably sink president Barack Obama’s signature socialized medicine law. And should … assuming the justices follow the letter of the law. The case – which began as…

RULING COULD SINK SOCIALIZED MEDICINE LAW … 

By FITSNEWS || The U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to hear a case that could conceivably sink president Barack Obama’s signature socialized medicine law.

And should … assuming the justices follow the letter of the law.

The case – which began as Halbig v. Sebelius – deals with whether the government can disburse roughly $700 billion in Obamacare subsidies in nearly three dozen states. Obamacare specifically states that its subsidies (and the taxes that pay for them) apply only in the fourteen states that created their own exchanges. The Internal Revenue Service is ignoring that part of the law though, attempting to impose the provision on all fifty states.

(To read our report on the big U.S. Appeals Court ruling that led to this decision, CLICK HERE. To read our report on the underlying legal issues in the case, CLICK HERE).

Nathan Mehrens of Americans for Limited Government tuned us into this issue when he penned this column last November.

“The legal principles involved in Halbig are simple: If Obamacare is to be taken at its word – then the law’s subsidies and penalties do not apply in two-thirds of the country ,” Mehrens wrote.  “And if that’s the case, then Obamacare is a ‘Dead Law Walking’ – incapable of sustaining itself without hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit spending.”

Indeed …

In announcing the court’s decision, the website SCOTUSBlog noted that if the court follows the letter of the law and limits subsidies, it is “widely understood that that outcome would crash the Affordable Care Act’s carefully balanced economic arrangements.”

Let’s hope that happens.

Obamacare defenders claim Congress “intended” for the law to apply to everyone – part of the administration’s ongoing efforts to make this law fit with political realities (and Obama’s promises).

Really?  That’s not what one of the law’s architects said …

“If you’re a state and you don’t set up an Exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits,” Obamacare co-author Jonathan Gruber said in January 2012. “I hope that’s a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these Exchanges, and that they’ll do it.”

It wasn’t … two-thirds of them didn’t.

In a compelling column breaking down the implications of this decision, ALG board member Bill Wilson said the decision was “a fight over the validity of every law passed by the U.S. Congress – ever.”

“Do we live in a nation of laws enacted by our duly elected representatives?  Or do we live in a country in which a handful of elites can do as they please with no regard to those laws — or due process for those affected by them?” Wilson wrote.  “This is the central question the U.S. Supreme Court must answer.”

Absolutely … let’s just hope they answer it the right way.

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109 comments

gvsteve November 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm

Doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies are still privately owned and run. Other than that it’s exactly socialized medicine.

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William November 7, 2014 at 2:08 pm

Give it up. Republicans are clueless as to what Socialism is. They think its government paying for whatever they do not want it to pay for. I think thats the definition in the Fox News dictionary.

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Rocky November 7, 2014 at 3:08 pm

Like military retirees getting access to the Exchange for subsidized food. If we can’t subsidize insurance premiums, we probably cannot subsidize military retirees access to the Exchange. Or, give subsidies for farmers to purchase crop insurance, or subsidize dairy farmers for lower milk prices, or – heaven forbid – subsidize giant aircraft manufacturers who build manufacturing facilities in North Charleston.

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FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:31 pm

That’s right. If all of those subsidies stopped, period, then the costs of food would go down and no one would need the “special” discounts available at a g’ment/military outlet.

Incidentally. The biggest g’ment subsidies for private manufacturing enterprises are practiced, not in the USA, but in France … and those subsidies are for Boeing’s competitors.

Any subsidies Boeing and companies have gotten or are getting since the end of the Viet Nam War are peanuts compared to the latest crony capitalism, Solar power fiasco in the Mohave’ Desert … Oh Bummer. (This just in: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/07/world-largest-solar-plant-applying-for-federal-grant-to-pay-off-its-federal/ )

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Smirks November 7, 2014 at 3:09 pm

It’s OK though. According to Jeb, we’re last place in economic and social mobility when it comes to developed nations.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/nov/06/jeb-bush/us-workers-least-mobile-developed-world-jeb-bush/

That just means all those damned socialist European countries are kicking our asses despite being even more pinko commie socialist than us.

Remember, it’s liberalism that’s killing America, even if its not killing everyone else!

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Rocky November 7, 2014 at 4:26 pm

I lived in Florida – Jeb was one liberal RINO.

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No more Bushes November 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm

The entire Bush family is a bunch of whores leeching off the public.

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No more Bushes November 10, 2014 at 1:38 pm

On second thought that was a bad analogy. I apologize to all whores, at least they give something of value in exchange for the money. The Bushes are just leeches.

diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 5:37 pm

lol…dumbass…the VOTERS defined socialism for ya on Tueday…it appears they didn’t like muslim obama’s definition of it the past 6 years.

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FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:26 pm

It is obvious that you believe that Socialism is what is being spoon feed these vast unwashed by the ObamaNation.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 5:35 pm

Piece by piece it will be dismantled. Well, everything but the ‘death panels’.

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jimlewisowb November 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm

POTUS has told the US Senate to kiss his ass
POTUS has told the US House to kiss his ass
There is no reason to think that SCOTUS ain’t going to kiss his ass

Fucking Cockroaches

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SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm

“POTUS has told the US Senate to kiss his ass
POTUS has told the US House to kiss his ass”
He should have also told them “Fuck you” . .

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Who is POTUS? That lying , lawless, radical islam loving POS that hates this country and is trying to destroy it?

Voters on Tuesday said NO….and FUCK you Mohammed Obama-we know what you are trying to do (see Iran and nuke-Obama wants em used on Israel?)

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SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 6:34 pm

“Who is POTUS”
LOL Are you still at it Sandi? You are so pathetic and miserable. Go away.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 7:04 pm

Get your abortions in before 2017. We gettin ready to shut Planned Parenthood down.

SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 9:42 am

“We gettin ready to shut Planned Parenthood down.”
Not to worry. Hillary will straighten things out.

The Colonel November 8, 2014 at 9:45 am

Just like she helped all the Democrat candidates in her native Arkansas – oh wait…

SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 10:11 am

“Just like she helped all the Democrat candidates in her native Arkansas – oh wait…”
Guess we’ll see won’t we? Reminds me of all of the folks on this very thread who said Obama would never be elected or re-elected.

The Colonel November 8, 2014 at 10:14 am

I’ll admit to being one of the “…never get elected…” crowd but the re-election was an easy call.

Hillary ain’t Bill.

SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 11:25 am

“Hillary ain’t Bill.”
You can say that again.
I doubt there will be a Lewinsky for Hillary.

lol November 8, 2014 at 8:17 am

Um, I think POTUS was the name of the president on VEEP right?

SCPSD November 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm

He did…and look what the American people told him…Tuesday…LMAO….That stupid, arrogant some beech still ain’t figured out he got his @$$ kicked…Hahahaha…

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SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 9:40 am

“He did…and look what the American people told him…Tuesday…LMAO”
He wasn’t on the ballot. The mid-term elections during the second term of a President almost always shift to the opposing party. The Democratic voter turnout was the lowest since the 1960’s. Get over yourself.

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SCPSD November 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm

Keep telling yourself that….LMAO…

How's the dipshit?^^^ November 7, 2014 at 4:08 pm

Hey, you used a new naughty word! So proud of you, Jim! See, was that so hard now?

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 6:00 pm

I disagree. I believe Obama has even scared SCOTUS.
Not by chance that the ONLY ruling from a federal judicial court AGAINST gay marriage came 2 days after these mid-terms.
Obama and the radical incompetents he has surrounded himself is ‘spooking’ the Pentagon as well.

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm

I wonder if Chief Justice Roberts will find his spine before making his decision – if he does, Obamacare is toast.

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SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm

“I wonder if Chief Justice Roberts will find his spine . . . ”
So if he votes the way you want him to vote he has a spine and if does not vote the way you want him to vote he is spineless? LOL

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He was a colonel November 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm

Leave the old colonel alone. He was once a colonel after all. Right, The Colonel?

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm

He still is for about eight more months.

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FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:41 pm

Many congrats on making that grade … many congrats on being one and hanging in there … many congrats on retiring as one …

RogueElephant November 8, 2014 at 8:58 am

Congratulations. Anybody that can put up with that much bull shit for that long has my undying gratitude. I made it three years and had enough. Well done Colonel.

HAH November 10, 2014 at 1:43 pm

Sucking off the government teat, eh? Enjoy your lifetime of free health care while you vote for people who would deny minimal benefits to everyone else.

The Colonel November 10, 2014 at 2:41 pm

Hah – not so much, I’m a reservist – been personally stroking a check to pay for my health care for 15 years now… I am treated at the VA for a problem with my eyes related to my service but I pay for everything else.

RogueElephant November 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm

You got it !!!

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 7:47 pm

No SC, showing some spine would be upholding the rule of law. You know, forcing the gubamint to decide whether the Obamacare fine is a tax or a fine before they start their argument rather than allowing them to pass a law claiming it’s one thing and then defending it before the court using the contra argument.

In this case, subsidies not in the law are being allowed by an agency of the government (the IRS) not authorized to do so. They should be ruled illegal – but Roberts will have to show some spine in order to rule in accordance with the law of the land.

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SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 11:30 pm

“No SC, showing some spine would be upholding the rule of law.”
In that case, he already showed some spine in the first ruling on Obamacare – even though he knew all hell would break loose and he would be castigated by the ones who had considered him their darling up to that point.
Man – you folks will throw someone under the bus at the drop of a hat, huh?

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 11:33 pm

No, he took the easy way out – had he simply used the language in the ACA law as the determinate factor as he should have, he would have ruled the whole individual mandate unconstitutional. Law is about what it’s written and voted on, not what you wanted it to mean.

SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 11:35 pm

That is just your opinion, Colonel. The whole individual mandate is not unconstitutional – no matter how many times you say it and how much you want it. Why would Justice Roberts “take the easy way out”? What would be his motivation? To upset you?

The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 11:46 pm

Isn’t that what SCOTUS hands down – “opinions”? Roberts was bullied by the White House into going their way according to many Supreme Court observers. The dissenters focused on the issue that the law was written with the words “fine” and that the gubamint was trying to sell the legality of the provision using the words “tax”. That’s not interpretation, that’s rewriting the law.

SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 9:25 am

“Roberts was bullied by the White House into going their way according to many Supreme Court observers. ”
LOL Bullied? Really? Bullied?
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
And how exactly would the White House have bullied Roberts? Threaten to slice the tires on his car? Threaten to post smack about him on the internet? Threaten to whoop his ass?

SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 10:06 am

“Believe what you want: . . .”
Oh – I do believe what I want.
I guess it makes it a lot easier for some folks to believe that Roberts – the “darling of the right” and the “brilliant legal mind” – voted the way he did because he was “scared” of Obama rather than believing that he voted to uphold the rule of law.
So when any of the justices don’t vote “my way” am I allowed to say that they were bullied to vote the “wrong way”? And for documentation for that assertion am I allowed to say that I know that happened because “unnamed sources” told me so?
The more we discuss this the sillier it gets , , ,

SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 11:32 pm

And Colonel – you’d do yourself a huge favor to not believe everything that these kooks at Americans for Limited Government spew forth – you really would.

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 11:34 pm

Not a subscriber to ALG, not sure I’ve even visited their website. I can read quite well.

SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 11:37 pm

Your comments mirror mysteriously mirror theirs . . . .

diamond jim November 8, 2014 at 7:09 am

Your comments mirror Hitler and Castro.

SCBlues November 7, 2014 at 11:39 pm

And Colonel – I actually like you – I just do not agree with you on most things.

FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:39 pm

Roberts so far has defined BummerCare as a “tax” … Now, it will be difficult to describe it as both, a tax and a subsidy … :groucho:

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tomstickler November 8, 2014 at 10:28 am

The real question is will the Court follow, what Justice Scalia just five months
ago (in Utility Air Regulatory Group v. EPA) called “the fundamental canon of statutory construction that the words of a statute must be read in their context and with a view to their place in the overall statutory scheme”?

Justice Scalia, an ardent proponent of judges not engaging in “legislation” under the guise of interpretation, has argued that the Court’s role is to adopt the interpretation that “does least violence to the text” (Green v. Bock Laundry). The IRS’s interpretation accomplishes that goal: Section 1401 can still be read literally because the section that authorizes the federal exchanges, Section 1321, provides that if a state does not establish an exchange under Section 1311, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) “shall . . . establish and operate such Exchange within the State.” In other words, HHS must “establish” a Section 1311 exchange, which is a state exchange.

Yeah, I cut-and-pasted from http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-the-grant-in-king-obamacare-subsidies-as-textualisms-big-test/

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Smirks November 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm

“The legal principles involved in Halbig are simple: If Obamacare is to be taken at its word – then the law’s subsidies and penalties do not apply in two-thirds of the country ,” Mehrens wrote. “And if that’s the case, then Obamacare is a ‘Dead Law Walking’ – incapable of sustaining itself without hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit spending.”

Wait, I thought that Obamacare already forced us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to operate? Why does Mehrens insist we need to *make* it spend hundreds of billions of dollars to operate?

Who needs health care reforms? Muh freedumbs. Muh liberties. People need to be free to buy worthless junk insurance that lures them into a false sense of security! Insurance companies need to be able to drop unprofitable clients at the drop of a hat over inane bullshit! There’s nothing wrong with the biggest cause of bankruptcy being medical debt, even for the insured! What’s market failure?

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Henry November 8, 2014 at 6:52 am

I have what you call one of those “worthless junk insurance” policies. Thank God I purchased it in 2008 and it is grandfathered. My wife and I are almost 60 and make in excess of 400% of the poverty level so we can not get the tax credits. A new policy that complies with the law would cost us over $600.00 per month more at the bronze level than our policy with deductible in excess of $6000.00 per person.

We could not have been able to spend $9,456.73 on necessary medical expense so far in 2013 and 2014 if we had paid an extra $13,200.00 in insurance premium for the “Not Junk” policies.

Outpatient surgery $3,353.89
root canal $ 724.90
prescriptions $1,556.62
eye glasses $ 993.24
lab fees $ 165.39
Doctor office visits $2,662.69
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Total $9,456.73

We have $5,800 family deductible with 100/0 co pay after $5,800.00. It does not cover emergency room unless we are admitted to the hospital but it does cover it if we are admitted. The total medical expense listed above would have been in excess of $18,000.00 if it were not for the prefered provider price reductions we received. Our “Junk policy” saved us about $9000.00 in discounts.

I spent a lot of time shopping for affordable insurance in 2008 and have read the policy coverage completely.

Out total medical cost over the last 22 months including insurance has been $24,322.90. That works out to $2,026.90 per month. We can not afford $2,600.00 per month for medical.

Every thing we spent was necessary medical expense. We can not afford to spend another $600.00 per month for the “Affordable Health Insurance Policies” at the bronze level. That would have been and extra $13,200.00 in medical expense.

I spent over 10 years in the insurance industry and I understand policy contracts very well.

The real health reform needs to be in areas such as our lab fees often started at $300.00+ and were reduced to less than $30.00 after the insurance haircut. The surgeon charged $4,200.00 and was reduced to $418.38 due to prefered provider contract. The outpatient surgery center in the hospital was over $5000.00 reduced to $2460.00 due to prefered provider contract. The doctor office visit cost reduced by over 50% due to prefered provider contract.

All of these providers had to do extra paperwork cost to file the medical insurance claims just to have their fees reduced.

The only true way to make health care “affordable” would be to stop excessive billing practices by the medical industry. It is possible that my actual medical cost could have varied by thousands of dollars just depending on what prefered provider contract another insurance company might have had with the same providers.

One of the problems with shopping health insurance even now is you have no idea what the contract is with the prefered provider.

Medical care is expensive but the Affordable Health Care Law has not created a true solution.

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William November 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm

First of all yours was not a junk policy. “Junk Policies” were those policies that were not allowed to continue after the ACA. Most had very high deductible sand vary low caps. Your policy qualified under the rules of the ACA; as did mine. So your comment is not relevant to Smirk’s comments.
Second, your policy is cheap, so be thankful. I am self employed, have a $10,000 deductible, and my premiums are $600 per month each for my wife and me. I am 58 and my wife is 60. That is not an ACA exchange policy. That is the policy I have had for 8 years. That policy has been increasing annually. Last year, in addition to my premiums I had to pay $8,000 in medical bills. Those are the numbers small business people have to deal with.
Those are the problems Republican don’t even understand or care about.

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Henry November 9, 2014 at 8:49 pm

If your policy had been taken out after the law was passed it would have been canceled just as mine would have been canceled. They are part of what is considered “Junk Policies”

All plans taken out prior the law passing are grandfathered but both our policies are considered “Junk” under the new law.

Neither of our policies include all the “essential benifits” to be a good policy based on the rules.

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Henry November 9, 2014 at 9:51 pm

I also own a small business. I am 59 and my wife is 55. Our current premium for health insurance is 770.53 per month. The lowest price Bronze plan in my zip code I can find at this point is almost $1400.00 per month.

My health insurance is good insurance but not equal to ACA policies. The cost of $1400 per month would be such that it would not allow for all the normal medical expenses.

We are no longer allowed to shop for policies that cover major medical expenses only.

People under age 30 can buy catastrophic insurance in which they probably can not afford the out of pocket for minor surgery while people between age 40 and 65 can not buy the catastrophic insurance. People over age 40 are probably better able to handle the risk exposure of catastrophic insurance than the people under age 30.

Much of the law was formulated with the help of the insurance industry rather than looking at normal economics.

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TSIB November 10, 2014 at 1:40 pm

Republicans think if you can’t afford to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for glorious free market health care, then you should die and get out of the way.

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Rocky November 7, 2014 at 5:02 pm

So here is what would really happen. Since Jeb and Co. can’t run on a platform of taking coverage away from millions of Americans, they’d have Congress amend the law to say state or federal exchange, viola – fixed – Establishment candidate moves foward. The next vote would be “papers, we don’t need no stinkin’ papers – amnesty for all” vote – and then Jeb can run without being dogged by Healthcare and Immigration.

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Guest November 7, 2014 at 5:12 pm

Just saw on the news that this soldier who is in quarantine was in Liberia for 3 hours and never left his plane! What? Why are Americans such scaredy-cats anymore?

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guesty November 7, 2014 at 5:59 pm

Yes, so much for the Home of The Brave. The one that really takes the cake is the teacher who attended a conference in Dallas and wasn’t allowed to return to her job for 21 days.

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Emma November 7, 2014 at 5:19 pm

The Dems just keep ducking, and ducking, and ducking…no matter how many seats they lose defending Obamacare.

What is so hard for Dems to understand? Obamacare has NEVER had even close to 50% support. NEVER.

More people want to repeal it than want to keep it.

It has only “helped” about 7 million people, while making insurance more expensive for the other 300,000,000 citizens (mine is up to $450/month!!! contrast this to my $25/month auto insurance from Insurance Panda… or my $15/month renters insurance from Eagle).

It is hurting jobs.

It is hurting the deficit.

It is NOT bringing down costs.

and yet, the Dems keep ignoring every bit of reality. thank god the dems are so stupid: their support for Obama’s desire to be historically significant have done more to boost the GOP than any set of policies the GOP could have implemented.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 5:49 pm

Great post…
They have lost 14 senate seats, 72 house seats, 10 governorship’s and over 1400 seats in state legislatures since Obamacare.

They won’t be happy until they are kicked out of the White House.

Read the posts from morons like Rocky and Smirks. They are in denial.It is like the bank has foreclosed and they are still trying to open the front door with the same key-war on women, war on Christians,war on small business, whites are racist’s, war on the borders etc…

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Six ft. Under Makes Us All Eq November 7, 2014 at 9:48 pm

Actually DJ it’s mormons like you who think that a 33% voter turn out equals a “Mandate.” The good people of this country made their choice loud and clear in 2008 and again in 2012….you bitter Republicans need to learn how to govern and stop sabotaging the future of this nation.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm

Damn.Then why does the Democrat Party not exist anymore?
All ya got ‘left’ is the illegal from Kenya trying to implement the Rev.Jeremiah Wright playbook called ‘How to Destroy America in Ten Easy Steps’.

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Six ft. Under Makes Us All Eq November 7, 2014 at 10:02 pm

OMG…I’ve met a real life BIRTHER!!! I am so honored to make your stupid acquaintance!!

diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm

And I was “born again” on November 4th!! Fuck you socialists and American haters.

We thinned your herd and turds on Tuesday. :-)

Six ft. Under Makes Us All Eq November 7, 2014 at 10:20 pm

Haha…you ignorant backwoods folks are too funny!

diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 10:23 pm

Ya know what muslim obama said about them people that cling to their guns and Bibles? LMAO!!!

Oh, and what he said about elections having consequences.

Six ft. Under Makes Us All Eq November 7, 2014 at 10:37 pm

President O was partially right, folks like you do cling to your guns, but you sure as hell don’t believe in the Christian Bible…there is only one place that folks like you will end up…one hint, it’s going to may you say…”It’s getting hot in here.” Night, night, now you run off and play with kids your own age.

diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 10:44 pm

Think muslim obama is writing another ‘love letter’ to the Ayatollah in Iran tonight? Are they on the ‘prayer rug’ tonight praying for the destruction of Israel?

Six ft. Under Makes Us All Eq November 7, 2014 at 10:54 pm

Wow I have a real life “Birther-Stalker.” You really should stop drinking and take your medication. Your delusions seem to be getting worse as the night progresses. I sure hope you have health insurance…if not you can always sign up for a plan on the ACA Exchange website. Oh it just occurred to me that you probably don’t even know what “ACA” stands for…gosh darn it…it’s what you guys affectionately call Obamacare!! Bye the way did you know that 12 million people now have health care coverage thanks to the ACA law? Don’t bother answering that…I realize you cons don’t deal with facts too well. Good night DJ!!

guest November 7, 2014 at 5:52 pm

What kind of auto insurance do you have? Mine is more than double what you’re paying. I’m over 55 and my car is 12 years old. Are you one of those that has absolutely bare bones, so if you hit someone and hurt them they are SOL unless they have good coverage?
My private individual major medical plan premiums have been outrageous for years – even before Obama was elected. This year according to the SCDOI website will be the lowest increase for my plan in 11 years – either .83% or it’s decreasing by 2%. People should be pissed off at the Dept Of Insurance that have approved all these past rate hikes. At least with ACA there is now some accountability for them.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 7:01 pm

I notice you didn’t mention those $10,000 deductibles that have made Obamacare WORTHLESS!

Think we will go after abortion next and make it illegal. You Dems are easy pickins.

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guest November 7, 2014 at 7:22 pm

My grandfathered plan is basically the same as a gold plan. 80/20 their deductible is 1500, mine presently is 1000. The ACA premium for the gold in my age range, county is just about the same that I pay now. The differences – my offers out of network coverage with a higher deductible 5000. ACA offers no out of network. But the ACA pays for tests, shots, visits that my plan doesn’t till I meet my deductible.
Well good – don’t bitch when you pick up the tab via food stamps, Medicaid, welfare for unwanted children or act horrified when unwanted children are neglected or possibly killed.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 7:32 pm

Too late.NOBODY believes socialists like you OR Obama anymore.
Just tonight Obama announces he is sends 1500 troops to Iraq. The military generals wanted these additional troops in September for the fight.

Obama had to wait until after the election.Thousands more were slaughtered.

NOBODY believes you apologists for Obama or his policies anymore. Same goes for Obamacare. He lost.The DEms are finished. Obama destroyed the party-we stopped him before he destroyed the nation.

guest November 7, 2014 at 7:37 pm

Hey nutjob how does my paying for my own health insurance for over a decade make me socialist? I bet you’re one of those liberty loving irresponsible deadbeats with shit insurance that rack up bills they can’t pay – which in turn causes my insurance premiums to rise. Or you’re sucking off the govt teat of medicare or Medicaid.

diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Relax. You appear to be angry. Obama still has a few weeks to declare Martial Law and void the elections . :-)

I sure hope you have mental health insurance ,’nutjob’.

Oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guest November 7, 2014 at 7:57 pm

Did I call it correctly? No/crap insurance or govt teat…possibly on the teat due to disability that may be the ticket for you? Because you sure don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to pricing of major medical policies.

Tom November 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Actually its 20 million by the end of next year not 7 million. And just to be clear insurance rates are not increasing any faster after the ACA than before, and the unemployment rate is down to 5.8%. So there is no evidence of what you say. But its not not unusual for the Fox News watcher to be clueless.

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diamond jim November 7, 2014 at 6:40 pm

The election is over Tom.Not a damn person in America except marxist obama believes unemployment is at 5.8%.

You lost. Elections have consequences.

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SCPSD November 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm

DING, DING, DING…we have a winner!!!!

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gvsteve November 11, 2014 at 3:36 pm

That’s the pesky thing about facts, you don’t have to believe them for them to be true.

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SCPSD November 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm

You live in a world of ignorance. Get out of the government commune to reality, where us REAL – and suffering under Obama – Americans live.

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SCPSD November 7, 2014 at 6:35 pm

That “7 million” already had Medicaid, that we were already paying exorbitantly for. So there is really no new help. Just the same ol’ line up of perpetual takers…we’re just paying billions more, and cannot take our kids to the doctor, because we cannot afford insurance, and to pay for it too..which is what Obamacare is.

We MUST eliminate this disaster of the Democrat Party’s stupidity and class-hate.

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tomstickler November 7, 2014 at 8:11 pm

I guess everybody has forgotten how Halbig was demolished at the Appeals Court level.

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The Colonel November 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm

Halbig was directed at the exchanges and there was no real Constitutional argument.

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FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:45 pm

… it is not to be. That is what the Supremes have announced, that They will review and possibly act to “fix” Halbig or not or not attempt it.

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FastEddy23 November 7, 2014 at 8:21 pm

“… SCOTUSBlog noted that if the court follows the letter of the law and limits subsidies, it is “widely understood that that outcome would crash the Affordable Care Act’s carefully balanced economic arrangements.”

Let’s hope that happens. …”

Agreed.

BTW: O’Reilly/Fox is now taking the opposite tack, namely that some of BummerCare “could be saved”. … Not!

If there are some provisions in BummerCare that are worthy, IMOP: not, then let that part or even those parts be “stand alone” individual bills rather than keeping a patchwork of total central planning craziness just because congress & el presidente’ are too lazy to craft them.

(For those of you who do not get “central planning”:

“… The defining moment for the world’s economies was the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, revealing a state of economic ruin behind the iron curtain far beyond the expectations of most knowledgeable Western economists. Central planning was exposed as an unredeemable failure; coupled with and supported by the growing disillusionment over the interventionist economic policies of the Western democracies, market capitalism began quietly to displace those policies in much of the world. …” – Alan Greenspan in “The Age of Turbulence”.)

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Native Ink November 7, 2014 at 9:46 pm

Sad. About 6 million people would lose their health coverage.

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FastEddy23 November 8, 2014 at 4:02 am

Not really. Those six million illegals would just move to a state that kept an exchange going. “Over one million served, senior … Would you like a driver’s license with that? …” is the slogan of Brown’s Medicare/Medicaid/Get-That-Vote/BummerCare/Taxifornia central planning hose-up.

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tomstickler November 7, 2014 at 10:53 pm

Since Will has referenced Scotusblog above on the big “if”, check out a more detailed symposium on textualism: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-the-grant-in-king-obamacare-subsidies-as-textualisms-big-test/

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9" November 8, 2014 at 5:11 am

Why does this matter? Isn’t everybody almost dead from Ebola,as ShitFits predicted?

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GrandTango November 8, 2014 at 9:20 am

You will also notice that the courts upheld a Gay Marriage ban, reversing the decadent trend. Could we be seeing the Justice reacting to the Horrible Rejection of the liberal Assualt on our society? ….We can all pray that is the case.

Got a nice write-up on SCPSD on the assault of the gay lobby…and protecting children. Has to do w/ the child molestation rate. It’s data you won’t see reported elsewhere.

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SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 9:33 am

“It’s data you won’t see reported elsewhere.”
Uh-huh. ‘Cause it is not true.
How about you and Sandi (aka Diamond Jim) just stay over on SCPSD (South Carolina Piece of Shit Dregs) and practice diddling each other? Sound like a plan?

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GrandTango November 8, 2014 at 9:56 am

Typical liberal. Any fact that dispels your myths is “Not True.”…Despite the fact many of you leftwing radical-zealots the are most-ignorant, dimmest bulbs in the box.

But hey: Thanks for reading it all the same… (;

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SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 10:08 am

“Any fact that dispels your myths is “Not True”
The only “facts” that you can come up with are what you pull out of your ass. And by the way, please wash your hands before responding to my comment . . . .

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GrandTango November 8, 2014 at 10:42 am

I’m just glad you read it. The hit count is good on it, so others, like you are seeing it. It’s important because I care about the welfare of children, and I don’t want you, and the people you support, using kids for sexual abuse, then claiming civil rights protection to avoid prosecution. You did read in the linked study where a homosexual raped a child and got away w/ it, in Nevada, didn’t you?

I hope I influenced you not to exalt the raping of children in the name of gay rights, anymore. Did I help you understand a stop sanctioning pedophilia?

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SCBlues November 8, 2014 at 5:50 pm

“Hate to defend our resident kook . . . .”
I am well aware of that decision.

My “cause it is not true” remark was in response to “the assault of the gay lobby” – and I’m not going over to SCPSD – no telling what you might catch over there. Doesn’t untreated venereal disease cause insanity? Maybe that is what happened to “resident kook” . . .

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truthmonger November 8, 2014 at 4:25 pm

Has anyone stopped to think that the entire medical industry is simply based on profiteering and excessive profits?

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JohnQ November 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm

Let’s hope you drop dead or a family member gets a horrible disease that bankrupts you and kills them. Then maybe you will get it. You are one vile fucking asshole.

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Henry November 9, 2014 at 9:32 am

I have noticed that most of the news does not consider extra options that may exist in the long term.

It is important to consider that if the case is ruled against the government then the states still have the option to establish their exchanges after the ruling.

Since one of the designers stated that the intent was to give the states incentive to establish exchanges then it should be an area the court will also consider.

It might cause a problem with the federal exchanges while causing more states to establish state exchanges. No one seems to be talking about this potential.

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nitrat November 10, 2014 at 8:21 am

Once again, the party FOR tort reform and AGAINST frivolous law suits shows its self-serving hypocrisy and files suit over a typo. A typo.
Well, Libertarian lawyers like Adler are getting rich off this one and sucking up to their Cato/Koch masters as the same time.

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TSIB November 10, 2014 at 1:35 pm

The plaintiffs’ argument is based on a tortured and nonsensical reading of the law. If SCOTUS rules the way Fits wants it to, that would be a prime example of result-oriented judicial activism.

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robert coble jr. November 10, 2014 at 1:56 pm

The whole “letter of the law” thing is nonsense. Legislation from from Congress are often long and sometimes there are conflicts and typos and so the agency charged with executing them (in this case the IRS) has to interpret them as Congress intended, and we know what Congress intended. These types of things happen ALL the time in legislation. I get that the Dems passed this law quickly and through reconciliation, but you still have to look at the intent when there is confusion.

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Mindy Cameron November 10, 2014 at 5:01 pm

Hope it happens that they vote it down. Can’t wait to see the pandemonium. Bring the popcorn. All those poor white trash and welfare sucking black loosers rioting. Finally, lock them up. Done.

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nitrat November 11, 2014 at 7:58 am

Thanks for the display of compassionate conservatism.

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tomstickler November 10, 2014 at 7:58 pm

It’s always good to allow a few days so the brighter minds can be heard from on important issues. Here’s an interesting twist:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/10/1343785/-A-Roberts-escape-hatch-in-King-Halbig

In a nutshell: if the plaintiffs are correct in their argument that Congress really, really wanted to deny subsidies to people who signed up on federal exchanges in states that refused to set up their own, such coercion would be unconstitutional under the same legal logic that said in NFIB v. Sebelius that the federal government could not penalize states that declined to participate in the Medicaid expansion.

Thus, if the Supreme Court agrees with the plaintiffs’ argument, legal consistency with Sebelius demands that subsidies still be available to those who signed up on federal exchanges in those states that failed to set up state exchanges, because to do otherwise would violate the Tenth Amendment.

Or, they could just decide in favor of allowing subsidies under the doctrine of “constitutional avoidance”, or the principle of proper statutory construction, or just common sense.

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nitrat November 11, 2014 at 7:50 am

Jonathan H. Adler, one of the contributors to the Libertarian ‘Volokh Conspiracy’ legal blog at the Washington Post, ‘outlined the theory’ upon which King v. Burwell is based.
As he has demonstrated for a long, long time, public intellectual masturbation is way more important Antonin Scalia than genuine intellect. That seems to go for Libertarian lawyers, too.

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