Ferguson: The Latest

“A SAD COMMENTARY ON MULTIPLE LEVELS …” Rioting and looting continued over the weekend in Ferguson, Missouri – the predominantly black suburb of St. Louis engulfed by violence in the wake of last week’s shooting of an unarmed black man, 18-year-old Michael Brown. According to witnesses, Brown was shot by…


Rioting and looting continued over the weekend in Ferguson, Missouri – the predominantly black suburb of St. Louis engulfed by violence in the wake of last week’s shooting of an unarmed black man, 18-year-old Michael Brown.

According to witnesses, Brown was shot by police officer Darren Wilson while holding his arms up to indicate he was not carrying a weapon.

Police have countered that narrative, saying Brown – who it turns out was a suspect in a convenience store robbery – engaged in a scuffle with Wilson prior to the fatal shooting.  In fact on Friday – against the wishes of the U.S. Department of Justice (USDOJ) – Ferguson police released a video of Brown allegedly stealing a $48.99 box of cigars just prior to his death.

That revelation further incensed the Ferguson mob – which has been rioting and looting for the better part of a week in response to the shooting.

The third world drama unfolding in Middle America has been a sad commentary on multiple levels: The tragic loss of life, people rushing to judgment, the senseless destruction of property and the liberty-depriving overreaction by militarized local law enforcement.

We’re reserving judgment on the incident itself until all the facts are known, but there’s virtually no part of the aftermath in which America has distinguished itself …

Seriously … who needs the Middle East when you’ve got Middle America?

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euwe max August 16, 2014 at 12:57 pm

This has an easy solution, make it legal for cops to kill at their own discretion.

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 2:14 pm

They can start by taking target practice on looters.

Judge, jury, & executioner August 16, 2014 at 2:39 pm

“make it legal for cops to kill at their own discretion.”

Really, this is already the case. How many times do we see internal investigations of cops shooting people come back with an “unlawful shooting” ruling?

Very, very rarely….cops are almost untouchable legally, they can pretty much do close to whatever they want.

Hell, if a man runs away from a cop most people think it’s acceptable for him to get shot, so society at large is ‘ok’ with most of it…until it’s them or someone close to them.

Soft Sigh from Hell August 16, 2014 at 5:42 pm

Judge Dredds without the ethics and principles and laws.

truthmonger August 16, 2014 at 5:55 pm

We aren’t talking about Holder and DOJ here…. so your comment is off-base.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:24 am

Even in the Dredd universe there are corrupt Judges.

truthmonger August 16, 2014 at 5:53 pm

Could it be because, for the vast majority of cases, the circumstances make for a justified shooting under the law?

Judge, jury, & executioner August 16, 2014 at 8:28 pm


Cleo August 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm

Seriously, either lock them all up or abandon Ferguson altogether. They are acting like animals and they’ve destroyed the life of one man without waiting to find out what actually happened.
Sham on this community for making Black American look like lawless, violent fools.

MarkM August 16, 2014 at 3:03 pm

These rioting black males are the Richard Eckstroms of Black-dom. They are stunted, perverted and overcompensating for a lack of actualized self-worth.

Just a Eckstrom will always be a perv, these blacks will always be losers.

Kyle August 16, 2014 at 3:07 pm

they b pippin and jivin and just looking for some fun. don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm

I agree. The Ferguson Police should be locked up and the keys thrown away. They are animals.

Buckwheat Jones August 16, 2014 at 7:29 pm

Curfew should have been at dark.
Ever been on Lake Okeechobee after dark? Spooky-all you can see are eyeballs and teeth.
Law enforcement in Ferguson are experiencing the same and it is SPOOKY and dangerous.
Gators or monkeys…it is all the same.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:33 pm

“Gators or monkeys…it is all the same.”
And you are a good example of why there is rioting in Ferguson night after night. Are you proud of your racism? (HINT: That is a rhetorical question – that means the answer is apparent and no reply needed.)

Cleo August 16, 2014 at 7:33 pm

Are the police the ones stealing from local business as they smash them to bits, set them on fire and cover them with graffiti?
Are the police the ones making death threats against a man who may or may not have just been doing his job?
Are the cops the ones who have been caught lying about what happened when Michael brown was shot?
The people of Ferguson have proven they do not deserve the protection the police have been providing.
Shame on you for supporting criminals who can’t wait for due process before they decide to run roughshod over their own community.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm

1. They are a fucking small band of white guys
armed to the teeth pushing around a community of black people while
hiding behind assault weapons and tanks and tear gas.

2. The
police chief himself admitted that the robbery had NOTHING…I
repeat…NOTHING to do with Mike Brown being stopped in the street.

Multiple witnesses…I repeat…MULTIPLE WITNESSES…have stated that
Mike Brown was not involved in a scuffle. That he did not assault a cop.
That he put his hands up in a classic surrender position but was gunned
down in cold blood.

4. In an effort to stamp out public opinion
on the matter…the local cops detained and harassed numerous media
outlets in an attempt to keep them from reporting on their heavy handed
and disproportionate response to peaceful protesters.

5. There
is a difference b/w protesters and a criminal element. Even the
protesters were battling with the criminals to stop the looting and
destruction of property.

Just out of curiosity, what is/was your
position on Clive Bundy (a documented piece of racist scum) stealing
Federal Land vis a vis grazing permits and owing over $1million in fines
but instead of doing the right thing he gets a militia of white guys
with guns to battle law enforcement and threaten violence in the name of
theft? Then his militia basically takes over the area and illegally
asks people what their business is there.

Original Good Old Boy August 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm

“White guys armed to the teeth pushing around a community of black people.”
Got a source for this buddy? I’m talking pre-riot.

good point August 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm

I agree with Limbaughsaphatkunt, while you cant judge a community based on the actions of a huge portion of that community – which has been videoed and shown directly on TV, you should definitely indict an entire police department based the action of one police officer – when we dont know the whole story but do have some conflicting account coming from the fellow gang members of the man who was shot.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 10:57 pm


SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm

“Sham on this community for making Black American look like lawless, violent fools”
The facts are NOT all out. There are conflicting reports on what happened. The looting and destruction of property is counterproductive but it is reported that there had been racial tensions in this community for years between the black community (67% of the population) and the predominantly white police force (3 black officers and 50 white officers). If it is proven that the policeman shot this individual when the individual had his hands in the air and was unarmed, the policeman will also look like a “lawless, violent fool”.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 7:40 pm

Barack Obama is proud. Middle America is in flames and the rule of law has FINALLY been dismantled in the heartland.
Don’t think for a moment ISIS ain’t taking notes from Obama on how to destroy America.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 8:04 pm

“Barack Obama is proud. ”
Ah yes – the President Obama haters out in force. And Cleo, I see you gave Sandi the thumbs up on this little ditty – that tells me all I need to know about you and certainly explains your posts. You are a lot more than just “ill informed”.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 8:10 pm

LMAO!!! Are you the designated “thumbs up” Nazi on FITS?
Fuck you. I just gave you a “thumbs up” as even a race-baiting and American hating fool like yourself deserves a “ray of sunshine” every once in a while in life. The “law” dictates that. :-)

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 8:12 pm

“Fuck you.”
LOL I love it when you talk dirty to me.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:44 am

“Are you the designated “thumbs up” Nazi on FITS?”
Yeah – I sure as fuck am. I’m the Soup Nazi too – want my autograph??

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 10:59 am

You liberals won’t be happy until America burns.Really sad.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:00 am

“You liberals won’t . . . .”
What are you babbling about now, fool?

sparklecity August 16, 2014 at 8:13 pm

I love you. Bring a MEAT lovers pizza home.xxoxxooooxooo

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 8:14 pm

“Bring a MEAT lovers pizza home”
Papa John’s I presume?

sparklecity August 17, 2014 at 10:26 pm

This is NOT a reply from the ACTUAL “sparklecity”

I would NEVER post BS such as this.


You are negligent in cross referencing between “handles and email address

You will lose credibility if you don’t do your job for verifying who posts “what”

SCBlues August 18, 2014 at 8:55 am

FITS – this poster – Sandi Morals/Sandy Burglar – has basically hijacked your forum – and is now spoofing legitimate poster’s names and posting filth – you really need to step in and track this person’s IP address and put a stop to it. Thanks sparkle for the info.

Cleo August 16, 2014 at 7:42 pm

You really are ill informed.
Although the community has undergone a transition, long-term residents report there had not been a lot of racial tension prior to this episode. Furthermore, the white representative in Ferguson’s government who have been getting so much flack for the color of their skin (oh the hypocrisy) were by and large elected by landslides or ran completely unopposed. Riddle me this, if the black citizens of Ferguson were so disgusted with racial problems, why didn’t they get off their bums and elect someone, anyone, who would better represent their “needs”?

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:59 pm

“You really are ill informed.”

No I’m not – and I’m certainly not “ill informed” just because you say so. Who are these “long-term residents” that gave you this information? I’ve watched multiple interviews on television where various residents – some white – stated that there had been racial tensions before. Here is a link to an AP article by two Missouri journalists – http://www.wdrb.com/story/26262675/racial-tensions-are-not-new-in-st-louis-suburb
– Instead of telling others that they “really are ill informed” you might want to check your obviously pre-conceived opinions on the situation. I agree with some of the things you say – but all of the facts are not out.

Cleo August 16, 2014 at 8:56 pm

You’re not ill-informed because I wrote that you are
You are ill informed because you either cannot or chose not to educate yourself before you wrote some clearly misguided pabulum. And as far as my pre conceived notion, well you certainly do know a thing or two about those. Are you always this hypocritical? Also, is it intentional or are you oblivious to your hypocrisy?

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:02 am

“You’re not ill-informed because I wrote that you are . . .”
Your posts are full of crap and you proved what you are all about. You want to post a bunch of crapola and then tell others they are ill informed. You’re full of shit.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 8:00 pm

<why didn't they get off their bums and elect someone, anyone, who would better represent their "needs"?
There has been one state-wide black candidate in Missouri in the last 20 years – and I agree with you – they need to vote if they are not happy with their situation.

aikencounty August 16, 2014 at 8:09 pm

There in lies a good question.

Mike at the Beach August 16, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Quick query for you- name all of the instances in the past 20 years wherein an on-duty police officer in the US shot and killed a non-resisting suspect who was standing with his hands up and surrendering.

CorruptionInColumbia August 17, 2014 at 8:49 am

I chuckle at these so-called “witness accounts” of the incident. I recall in (I believe) the 1980’s when a Columbia Police Sergeant was involved in a fatal shooting at a local “teen club”. Supposedly, a disturbance erupted there and police were summoned. As the Sergeant pulled up, he saw a man (later identified as a local drug dealer) pointing his gun at another man (also later identified as a local drug dealer) who was off to the side of the guy pointing the gun. The Sergeant exited his car, drew his weapon, and ordered the guy with the gun to drop his gun. Instead, the dumbass with the gun turned and pointed it at the Sergeant and the Sergeant fired two well-placed rounds at the guy with the gun, killing him instantly. The Sergeant’s view of the bad guy was obscured by the bad guy’s car, giving the Sergeant a target of only the man’s neck and above. At least one of the shots was a head shot.

For the next few days, the local TV stations and newspapers were chock-full of accounts from the local “community” who had “witnessed” the incident. Unanimously, they were saying that the Sergeant “shot dat boy fo nuffin”, that the decedent “had laid his gun on the ground and dat police shot him anyway”, and like bullshit. There was no shortage of these idiots being interviewed on TV or in the press. Things did not look good for the Sergeant. If the media’s trial had been conducted in those initial days, he surely would have been convicted and hung from the highest tree.

Then something interesting happened. SLED’s ballistics team found some things which tended to blow a hole in the witness accounts. The dead man was using a .38 revolver similar to those used by police at the time. SLED’s ballistics people determined that one of the Sergeant’s bullets traveled down the barrel of the decedent’s gun along the outside, leaving a lead smear(s) along the barrel of the gun. Also, one of the Sergeant’s rounds (same or different, I don’t recall) had hit the front sight of the dead man’s gun, causing tiny fragments of the bullet to hit the bad guy’s head and neck area. It seems these sterling members of the “community” were a bunch of pathological liars and the truth wasn’t in them. Suddenly they grew quite and these instant celebrities were no longer on TV and in the media proclaiming how “dat police shot dat boy fo no reason” as they had been. You see, the only way those lead smears and bullet fragments could have gotten on the bad guy’s gun and in his face and neck would be if his gun was pointed at the Sergeant. At the time, I really hoped that justice would prevail and charges of some kind would be brought against every one of these liars who had felt compelled to open their lying pie hole to the media, but of course, no such thing happened.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:00 am

“I chuckle at these so-called “witness accounts” of the incident . . .”
Now CIC, you know that I enjoy your posts, but . . .
Why do you chuckle and why are they “so-called”? Because they do not fit your narrative?
And I’m actually surprised that you are alive and posting (and me too for that matter) – weren’t we all supposed to be dead by now from the Ebola Virus because we brought our two of our own citizens back from Africa for treatment?

CorruptionInColumbia August 17, 2014 at 10:09 am

Did you read the whole account in my post, SCBlues? It is a dynamic that plays out time and time again, where the account becomes as the “community” wants it to be. One person tells a lie and suddenly everyone is telling it because they thought it sounded good when the first guy (or gal) told it. Besides, it got them on TV and made them a celebrity. Kind of like the guy telling how the tornado sounded as it came through the trailer park.

Regarding Ebola, they aren’t done playing with this stuff, yet. Give them time, they will find a way to “accidentally” release it here due to carelessness and damnfoolery. Just wait.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:11 am

“It is a dynamic that plays out time and time again, . . .”
So because you have decided that there is some “dynamic” that has played out before, then none of these witnesses are telling the truth about this incident – at least none of the ones that fit your narrative. All the facts are not out.

CorruptionInColumbia August 17, 2014 at 10:22 am

I do agree, the facts are not all out yet.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:13 am

“Regarding Ebola, they aren’t done playing with this stuff, yet”
So providing treatment for two American citizens is “playing with this stuff” – tell that to their families.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:21 am

CIC – remember the other day on this forum when you and others were talking about the officer’s injuries – “broken jaw and might lose an eye” and I believe a couple of other serious injuries – can you provide any reliable sources for that information? I cannot find it anywhere – except on this site. The Ferguson Police Chief states that the officer was “treated for a swelling on the face” and released from the hospital.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 9:55 am

“Quick query for you . . . ”
Quick query for you – name all the instances in the twenty years before 09/11 that two separate commercial airplanes loaded with passengers were hijacked by terrorists and then piloted into the twin towers causing them to collapse.
Zero, huh? So 09/11 could not happen, huh?

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:11 am

Wow, your understanding of logical discourse being what it is I’m obviously gong to have to take another tack. To answer your question as it relates to what we’re talking about, there were thousands of terrorist attacks against US interests prior to 9/11, and hundreds of such attacks that involved either business interests, landmarks, or aviation. The model of the 9/11 attacks had been written about, both within the intelligence community and even in published novels. Your response would only have made sense had I asked how many times a cop had shot an X-year old suspect of x-gender and x-race wearing an x-colored shirt at x-time of night.

Logical fallacy aside, my point is this- some folks are creating a narrative out of whole cloth, or based upon the eyewitness account of the other suspect. The narrative (based upon a rational examination of the history of police shootings since 1970) would appear to be silly, although technically possible. I’ll just wait for the autopsy and investigation to be complete before I start spouting off, even though I think I have a pretty good theory of what happened.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:16 am

“Wow, your understanding of logical discourse being what it is I’m obviously gong to have to take another tack.”
LOL Blah blah blah I knew it would be good just did not know it would be this good! You are full of shit and too full of shit to even realize it.

Most Blacks Are Conformist August 16, 2014 at 1:08 pm

I have been following this story closely. I have seen nothing regarding “looting” since last weekend. The “Post Dispatch” of St. Louis is covering this matter like a fly on dung. Some small outbreaks of violence at the protest, yes. But continued looting?
Releasing the video was the best thing to do. It shows that Brown is the thug everybody suspected that he was. His cohort, “Johnson” was caught in outright lying. And the officer who shot Brown, has injuries from Brown striking him. The animals are in denial, and they hate to be on the losing end of the stick. So they still resort to uncivil and lawless acts.
Screw the racist DOJ. When Obama is gone, and a GOP attorney takes over the agency, hundreds of those clowns in under Holder will eventually end up indicted for their crimes

Ha Ha August 16, 2014 at 1:48 pm

…and a GOP attorney takes over the agency…


The only question is how badly the GOP candidate is going to lose !

Soft Sigh from Hell August 16, 2014 at 5:40 pm

What needs purging from the DoJ and elsewhere are all those Pat Robertson Liberty University “law school” moles put in by Bush’s buddies.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 6:19 pm

Family has asked Dr,Baden to perform a 2nd autopsy. My “source” tells me the family apparently didn’t like the results of the first one.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm

“Was that your Mr. (not to be confused with Big) T voice. . .”
Your “source” is probably one of those voices in your head that spews out all kinds of nonsense on this forum. My “source” – the Brown family attorney as interviewed on CNN – tells me that the family wanted their own autopsy as they wanted to make sure the autopsy results were valid. Dr. Baden is not going to invent any results – he will tell it like it is.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Poor Dr.Baden. If he doesn’t give Holder, Obama,Jesse and Al what they want his life won’t be worth a damn thing.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 8:06 pm

“Poor Dr.Baden.”
Poor Sandi – no matter what the topic spewing venom about President Obama . . .

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 11:00 pm

He’s dead, Jim.

I want a second opinion.

Scooter August 17, 2014 at 12:55 pm

I’ll bet that it shows he died from gunshot wounds, Interpretation: ‘Holder, I am working for you brothers.” Trying to get their approval ratings up?

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 1:10 pm

The whole things stinks – the shooting of this teenager, the aftermath of the shooting, the various videotapes and information trickling out, the rioting and the looting and destruction of property. What are the real facts? I say there is something “off” about the police reports. I also say that the rioting and looting and destruction of private property is totally disgusting and criminal. If the policeman shot and killed this young man while the unarmed young man had his hands up then he deserves to go to prison. The folks who are taking advantage of this terrible incident and using it as an excuse to riot and loot deserve to go to prison as well. The whole thing stinks.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm

Please.You liberal/socialists elected a lawless pResident-these Democrat Party ‘tools’ are just following his lead.
Obama shreds the Constitution, his followers are ‘shredding’ Ferguson. They figure if the DOJ and White House have no respect for the laws in the land , why should they especially when the DOJ and Obama won’t allow the police to protect local businesses. Local businesses had to arm themselves to protect their property last night.
Obama figured WRONG again. He thought he could use this incident to get blacks to turn out in larger numbers in November. Not even the ‘annoited’ one can put this fire out now.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 3:02 pm

What are you babbling about now, fool?

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 16, 2014 at 6:13 pm

What are you babbling about now, fool?

Was that your Mr. (not to be confused with Big) T voice?

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm

“Was that your Mr. (not to be confused with Big) T voice?”
Yes sir it was.

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 2:13 pm

And you know the whole story on each event.

I say the cop didn’t know about the robbery, Wilson suspected he was being arrested for the robbery so he resisted. Obama’s “if I had a son” has an adult rap sheet as long as his arm, and he also has a sealed juvenile rap sheet, I’m sure that’s a multi-page document. From the video inside the convenience store and his violent history, this punk was going to be gunned down sooner or later so what’s the big deal?

This country needs a caning penalty, any sentence outside of a felony conviction should include cane lashes.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 3:01 pm

“And you know the whole story on each event.”
No I don’t – and you don’t either.

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 11:00 pm

I never said I did, but I bet my version is closer than yours is.

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 2:16 pm

“tragic loss of life”, HA!!! More like justifiable homicide.. some people just need killin’.

retired_geek August 16, 2014 at 8:41 pm

Needed killing? Naw, can you imagine the amount of work you could have gotten out of a guy that size on the chain gang?

The Colonel August 16, 2014 at 10:47 pm

Really, really not PC but funny as crap!

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 10:59 pm

Do you know how much work it takes to get a chain gang organized? First thing you do is start writing checks to Uncle Al and Uncle Jesse.

GrandTango August 16, 2014 at 2:39 pm

Funny seeing FITS trying to dance on a pinhead. You know the Thug was a lawless bully, but that does not fit your audience’s fantasy about race and crime.

FITS is either too liberal, too stupid or too gutless to tell the truth. Either way, YOU, and the real media like you, ARE the PROBLEM.

Until our institutions tell the fools, like the rioters, and that stupid liberal-touchy-feely idiot and egomaniac State Police Chief, to STFU…this will happen over and over….

Beartrkkr August 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm

Funny how the media was portraying Mr. Brown as a good kid, ready to enter college this year. Pictures initially shown to the world give the impression this is just a meek, slightly overweigh child. What we’ve come to find out is that this “child” could be a starting D1 lineman with a nasty disposition to boot. Flashing gang signs is a nice touch as well.

easterndumbfuckistan August 16, 2014 at 3:54 pm

Points against Brown:

1. Officer was injured
2. He was on video committing a “Strong Arm Robery”
3. Disobeyed a lawful order of a law enforcement officer.
4. He’s 18 and has a fairly extensive adult rap sheet.
5. He has a juvenile rap sheet though we don’t know how extensive because it’s sealed.
6. His social media accounts contain pictures of him in gang clothing and making gang signs. He has gang member friends linked to these accounts.

Points for Brown:

1. He was unarmed

Points for Wilson:

1. Six year police officer
2. Spotless record at the FPD
3. His supervisor describes him as a distinguished officer.
4. Received a commendation for extraordinary effort in the line of duty from the Ferguson City Council in February.

Points Against Wilson:
1. Shot an unarmed criminal that was likely beating him.

Brown: -6 +1 = -5
Wilson -1 +4 = 3

I guess we all know who to believe now and he’s not Brown.

Bible Thumper August 16, 2014 at 7:21 pm

Brown is black —– Add +10 – 5 = +5
Wilson is white Subtract -10 +3 = -7
Twelve point spread favors Brown.

aikencounty August 16, 2014 at 8:07 pm

So said, that’s it true.

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 10:44 pm

Add 10 point’s for law abiding us citizens = even or better.

retired_geek August 16, 2014 at 8:40 pm

It’s a damn shame how something once mentioned on the Internet, quickly becomes “common knowledge” – and it does not matter if there are facts to back it up or not.

From what I understand the late Mr. Brown had no adult record. There was some speculation concerning some court records from last year but it turned out that was a “Michael J Brown” – not the same guy.

That said, the robbery in the store depicted in the released video may not be “directly” related to the shooting incident, but it sure as heck speaks volumes about young Mr Brown’s attitude and deportment.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 8:53 pm

I see what you are saying. I am sure that it was just a coincidence that about 10 minutes after Brown committed a FELONY, he was involved in a fatal incident with a police officer.
Happens everyday in America. WTF!

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:31 pm

I agree with your stupid ass for once, only.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 9:46 pm

Thanks. Is it true Tom Ervin was performing same-sex marriages at the Anderson Motor Speedway last night? :-)

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:48 pm

So you got married, I’m not into that. Thanks Sandi !

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 10:55 pm

Points against police:
1. They are a fucking small band of white guys armed to the teeth pushing around a community of black people while hiding behind assault weapons and tanks and tear gas.

2. The police chief himself admitted that the robbery had NOTHING…I repeat…NOTHING to do with Mike Brown being stopped in the street.

3. Multiple witnesses…I repeat…MULTIPLE WITNESSES…have stated that Mike Brown was not involved in a scuffle. That he did not assault a cop. That he put his hands up in a classic surrender position but was gunned down in cold blood.

4. In an effort to stamp out public opinion on the matter…the local cops detained and harassed numerous media outlets in an attempt to keep them from reporting on their heavy handed and disproportionate response to peaceful protesters.

5. There is a difference b/w protesters and a criminal element. Even the protesters were battling with the criminals to stop the looting and destruction of property.

Just out of curiosity, what is/was your position on Clive Bundy (a documented piece of racist scum) stealing Federal Land vis a vis grazing permits and owing over $1million in fines but instead of doing the right thing he gets a militia of white guys with guns to battle law enforcement and threaten violence in the name of theft? Then his militia basically takes over the area and illegally asks people what their business is there.

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 11:13 pm

1.Obama and Holder are black.
2.Don’t carry a box of Swisher Sweets down the middle of the street if you have just committed a FELONY.
3.#1 witness commited the FELONY with dead perp. Cut a deal.
4.Reporters at McDonalds were sleeping in joint and smelled.Management called police.
5.Gang members , bangers and Democrat Party voters are the looters.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:17 pm

I smell shit….have you just crawled out of Palin’s asshole?

Sandi Morals August 16, 2014 at 11:45 pm

Smirks, this is your best one yet!!!!

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:15 am

Palin’s? Nah, Haley’s. She has to brown nose her boss, and she does it quite well.

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 9:20 am

You are ‘Limbaughsaphatkhunt’. FACT! We have “sources” :-)

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:45 am

You need better sources.

Willie or Karl can verify we are two different posters if they so choose.

sparklecity August 17, 2014 at 10:20 pm

Be advised that IF you reply to “Sandi Morals” you will be replying to a known liar and coward

easterndumbfuckistan August 17, 2014 at 10:31 am

1. Whatever they are the duly commissioned law enforcement agency for the City of Ferguson, MO. There was looting and rioting, that’s not the time for Kumbayah and love rallies. You kick ass and take names. Also the city council nor the police department match the racial make-up of the town which is 67% black. Obviously the residents / voters of the area are happy with how things have been run as the mayor and all but one councilman is white. If you don’t vote don’t complain.

2. Who care, it goes to the character of the decedent. Along with his social media pictures, posts and friends.

3. This happens all the time in the ‘hood. Hood rats never tell the truth about the “po-po” shooting someone even when there is video evidence to the contrary. They are always gunning down someone that was trying to surrender. Poor baby was lying on the ground, on his knees, hands-up etc etc etc. The officer who BTW received injuries from something (In your mind I’m sure it was a errant meteor or some such non-sense) shot the little gang-banger because he was a threat.

4. If you are advised to disperse in a RIOT ZONE, you disperse or suffer the consequences which usually means getting your ass kicked by rioters, the police and or both. Riots aren’t something to be played with.

5. Agreed but their are no legitimate protests at 2am on a residential street. Legitimate protests don’t block streets, impede the flow of traffic, antagonize police, or commit additional crimes.

Cliven Bundy – Both sides were wrong. I’ve got a very long detailed opinion on it but it’s more than I feel like writing other than to say I think it was a staged incident by both sides who each had differing agendas that were and are dangerous.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:40 am

Hood rats never tell the truth about the “po-po” shooting someone even when there is video evidence to the contrary.”

Don’t you understand that when you start throwing out racial slurs that it destroys you credibility completely???

“there is video evidence to the contrary”

Can you please post links to the video evidence that is contrary to the witness statements?

“The officer who BTW received injuries”
What were the injuries? Claims were made repeatedly on this forum that he suffered a broken jaw and “might lose an eye” – the Police Chief states he went to the hospital for a “swelling on the face” and was released. I’m not saying that he did not suffer those injuries – I just cannot find any info.

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 10:56 am

Try the Jefferson’s. Settle down man. You and the other ‘white guilt’ liberals don’t give a shit about the thug that died.You are just using him to spew your American hating word-view and incite violence.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:59 am

“Try the Jefferson’s”
What are you babbling about now, fool?

CorruptionInColumbia August 17, 2014 at 1:33 pm

“Can you please post links to the video evidence that is contrary to the witness statements?”

Earlier, I posted the story of just such an event. While albeit it was in the form of an anecdotal story, it happened. It was in the local media for days. If you care to dig and request old articles and news clips of that event, please do so. I am not going to dig them up. If someone wishes to “prove” me wrong, they can look up the articles and news clips of the event, and the lies told by those numerous “eye witnesses” about the cop shooting the man after he had put his gun down and was surrendering.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:26 am

“Officer was injured”
On this site in previous postings about this incident various folks claimed that the officer had a broken jaw and “might lose an eye” – does anyone have reliable sources for that information? I’m not saying it did not happen – I cannot find that information anywhere else but on this site. (Disclaimer: I do not visit worldnetdaily or michellmalkin.com) The Ferguson Police Chief states that the offices was treated for a “swelling on the face” and released from the hospital.

easterndumbfuckistan August 17, 2014 at 11:20 am

Article from 8/13 Detailing officer was hit in the face – http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Chief-Officer-in-fatal-shooting-suffered-facial-injuries-271079471.html

Jackson, who spoke on the phone with News 4’s Laura Hettiger Wednesday morning, said the officer “was hit” and the “side of his face was swollen.” The chief did not say if the officer suffered any broken bones.

Apparently the below post is the genesis of the broken jaw sourced from anonymous dispatcher. This made the rounds as “breaking news” Wednesday but I see it’s been killed just about everywhere and the Google Juice on Ferguson is poisoned now by too much information.


SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:22 am

“Article from 8/13 Detailing . . .”

Thanks for the links, EDF – I appreciate it. Will we ever get all of the facts and know what really happened here?

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:29 am

“I guess we all know who to believe now and he’s not Brown. ”
You can believe that Brown is dead. He has not had a chance to weigh in otherwise.

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 10:51 am

This ‘black and white’ thing has you racists all riled up. Go watch Cosby or Sanford and Son and please report back.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:59 am

“This ‘black and white’ thing . . .”
What are you babbling about now, fool?

sparklecity August 17, 2014 at 10:22 pm


Be advised that IF you reply to “Sandi Morals” you will be replying to a known liar and coward

SCBlues August 18, 2014 at 8:53 am

sparkle – Yes – thank you for the heads up – this person is now spoofing my posting name and posting all sorts of vulgar stuff – FITS needs to track this person’s IP address and have them removed from the forum. Posts under two named that I know of – Sandy Burglar and Sandi Morals – probably some others. Thanks.

Scooter August 16, 2014 at 4:49 pm

This is what 50 plus yeas of welfare has come to It has produced an ignorant, jobless bunch of savages with no self respect much less any for their fellow man. Looting and acting like animals.

retired_geek August 16, 2014 at 8:46 pm

Actually what it has produced is a group that is fairly adept at surviving by “working” government programs and intimidating the white majority.

Soft Sigh from Hell August 16, 2014 at 5:36 pm

Poor white trash in Missouri were once called “Pukes.” Maybe still, for all I know. Maybe their “Officer Jake Knottses” do everything harsher. You just can’t civilize some people.

Don’t believe me? Google, “Why Are Missourians Called Pukes.”

Centrist View August 16, 2014 at 5:50 pm

Ferguson, MO city website currently down

It looks like a failure of the political process. Ferguson is 2/3 black but only has one or two (one Council member has no photo) African Americans on the City Council. And the police department is all white.

The Ferguson, MO black community has the numbers. Seems like they are not using them in the ballot box.

Albee Looter August 16, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Jesse Jackson was registering voters last night in front of the store that the kid stole the cigars from. If you registered as a democrat you got TWO Swisher Sweets Cigarrillos for FREE.

nitrat August 17, 2014 at 10:47 am

Washington Post has had several looks at that in reporting, Monkey Cage political science blog and Wonkblog.

The apparent reason that the black majority is not much represented in town government is the same problem we have here in SC: municipal elections are held in the spring of off years when voter turnout is notoriously low.


I bet we can all look at our city governments and wonder: “how did HE get elected?” This is how.

Scooter August 16, 2014 at 6:39 pm

Gov. Jay Nixon is an ineffective wimp. Missouri needs a Bob McNair.

aikencounty August 16, 2014 at 8:16 pm

In 1970 Augusta ,Georgia went thru a few nights of arson and looting.
Governor Maddox sent in the Guard, with instructions to blow any building they were taking fire from off it’s foundation.

CorruptionInColumbia August 16, 2014 at 8:31 pm

That’s all it takes. My dad used to say that there wasn’t one major riot in the 60’s that couldn’t have been ended with the judicious expenditure of one (25 rd) box of 12 gauge 00 Buckshot. I believe he was absolutely correct.

SCBlues August 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm

The other day on this forum folks were posting that the officer involved was seriously injured with a broken jaw and “might lose an eye” – I cannot find any such information – the only information I can find is that the Ferguson Police Chief said that the officer was “treated for a swelling on his face” and released at the hospital. Can anyone provide credible links about those serious injuries that were posted repeatedly on this forum?

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:44 pm

No, they can’t. Because it didn’t happen. For all we know, the officer had one of his buddies hit him in the face.
In fact, for some mysterious reason there is no dashboard cam or sound recording of the incident. Also, the lapel cams (like a go pro for the cops) was not operational at the time either.
How convenient.

now wait August 16, 2014 at 11:59 pm

you were going by states and stats a second ago, what happened?

nyuknyuknyuk August 17, 2014 at 1:20 am

That young man was going places. Too bad he had a head on collision with six .40 hollow points. I, myself, have always done what a police officer asks me to do. I’m just stupid that way.

Bible Thumper August 16, 2014 at 7:47 pm

Ferguson police released that video. No wonder looters are stealing meat and liquor.

Thomas August 16, 2014 at 8:47 pm

That kid died an unrepentant thief of cigarillos. Imagine stretching your right arm as far as it would reach into the hottest furnace imaginable pressing your face up against the furnace side in the process and holding it like that for twenty years. This is purgatory. Your whole body in that furnace for all eternity is hell.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:29 am

Eternal suffering for stealing cigars? Wow, I totally want to worship the guy who came up with that one!

Let’s make our law system a “wages of sin is death” system! Kill a guy? Death penalty. Speeding? Death penalty. Jaywalking? Death penalty.

Kid steals a pack of gum? Try him as an adult! Send that unrepentant thief to eternal damnation! My religion boner demands it!

Thomas August 18, 2014 at 4:26 am

You can die an unrepentant and unconfessed jerkoff tomorrow when that Mack dump truck crosses the centerline and smacks you upside the head. We all are one heartbeat away from knowing who is bullshitting who. Tough way to lose an argument…posturing as if you know your ass from third base.

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm

From Deo, criminals are criminals, BLOW THEM AWAY, ASAP, same old .

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:34 pm

Time for the 2 America’s has come. Split us into Black and White, Simple.

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:43 pm

I do not question why my friends target practice and buy large amounts of ammo now.

sparklecity August 17, 2014 at 10:31 pm


As a deterrent against police SWAT teams!!!!!!!

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm

There are many lawless people out there, that have committed crimes, and on the streets to do their bidding. Arm your self and learn to shoot.

Deo Vindice SC August 16, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Killing time has come, un lease the dogs of war.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 10:58 pm

Racist scum on this site. Nothing but white racist scum. No wonder SC is one of the WORST states in the US….literally.

You’re pigs who enjoy wallowing in your own filth.

Squishy123 August 16, 2014 at 11:03 pm

So are you sticking around?

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:10 pm

the question is, why would you choose to stick around? Are you a pig? Do you like wallowing in wretched back-ass ward filth that is S.C.? Do you like coming in last at everything good and first in everything bad? Chronic poverty, shitty healthcare, high unemployment, shitty working conditions, shitty environmental policies and laws, corruption, rampant racism and good ol’ boy politics, church being shoved down your throat 24/7, heavy handed and dimwitted cops, litter all over the roads, a wal-mart on every fucking corner…is this your idea of heaven?

Of course it fucking is…that’s why everyone always votes for the GOP…to keep it this way.

Mike at the Beach August 16, 2014 at 11:20 pm

All politics is local, friend. I live in SC, and there’s no chronic poverty in my family or circle of friends. My family has fantastic health care (for which I pay), and I’m employed to the point that I need a few more of me- I can barely hire enough capable guys to keep up with demand. My work conditions (and those of the guys I employ) are fantastic, and one just retired to SC from NYC to join the outfit. He says he’s tickled, and is learning to say “y’all” and drink sweet tea. Racism and good ol’ boy politics are EVERYWHERE- perhaps you haven’t lived in many different places. As for Wal-Marts, they’re easy enough to avoid- just don’t go into one (shopping there isn’t compulsory). It’s not heaven, but as I sit on my porch listening to the ocean, I am pretty convinced that raising my kids here was the right choice. For those who are appalled at our living conditions in SC, I bear no ill will; I say, “just leave.” We all get to choose where to live, no?

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:24 pm

It’s not about you. LOOK AT THE DATA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a jerk August 16, 2014 at 11:40 pm

so limbaugh’t are you just trying to be racist in a back handed sort of way pointing out that SC – with one of the highest minority populations in the nations, comes in last in all that’s good and first in all that’s bad like pretty much all of the top five highest minority populated states in the country. you piece of shit racist. that’s totally unfair and doesnt consider a lot of other facotrs.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Here we go…it’s all about the black people with you white hood wearing sons a bitch.
What about other states in the Union that are in the top places to live in the US (California and New York I’m looking at you). They have tons of black people too, but what they don’t have are armies of inbred, racist rednecks still clinging to their guns and religion and waiting for the “South to rise again”. Yeee hawwww

good luck in life August 17, 2014 at 12:53 am

California is practically/literally bankrupt. You are thinking about NY City, state wise, its much lower, and again – to continue onward with YOUR racist views on states and stats, it is true the better states financially, education wise et cetera, are indeed the whitest states, and not necessarily just the mid west GOP haves, but places like Mass as well. I dont look down on whites and whatever other races you tend to turn your nose up at, and I dont think race is the reason for these issues. however, your the numbers guys, with a race based agenda, so carry on brother! then again – dont worry, i wasnt presuming high minded comentary from some one with an attempt to dengrate fat people and the word ‘kunt’ in his screen name.

einstein jr August 17, 2014 at 12:58 am

PS I do love the shout out towards your hatred of religious peoplespersons – le’me guess, only Christians – are you like some self loathing self depricating caricature for political commentary.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:39 am

Actually, California is doing much better than it was.

like 103 fever down from 105 August 17, 2014 at 10:23 am

Smirks, on the state’s long term projected numbers – and that’s after paying a lot of public employees with IOU’s for weeks and weeks. I hope they turn the ship around, but they are still teetering and will be on the edge for years to come. ask the average middle class ca res about it.

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 1:05 am

Top places to live by some arbitrary metric you select, perhaps. Take a look at the simplest metrics around- where are businesses headed? To where are people moving and retiring? Elitists who rate places and tell us where the best choices are don’t like it, but folks are voting with their feet…

Next stop, loserville August 17, 2014 at 3:34 am

Remember, he’s the guy that moved here from Ohio and now can’t find a job….so his rant is a little more personal than he’s letting on.

nyuknyuknyuk August 17, 2014 at 1:06 am

He would have been a splendid college student. Maybe his reading on the 4th grade level could have boosted him to honors graduate status from DeVries. Anyway, he certainly was dressed for success in the armed robbery video. What could possibly have gone wrong? His collision with a bullet was inevitable.

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 1:10 am

Of course it’s about me, and everyone else who chooses to live here (notwithstanding your creative use of the GT-style exclamation point). You even asked the question directly to Squishy…”Why would you choose to stick around?” I just answered your question- I’m sticking around. Every state in the US (and the world) has problems; all of them. I’ve lived in a couple, but I am back here (probably for good because I am getting old…time to settle down).

Next stop, loserville August 17, 2014 at 3:36 am

The caps are very effective in making your point.

Paul Drake Jr. August 16, 2014 at 11:27 pm

Mixing Colt 45’s and ‘crack’ is not good. Threatening cops is not good. You either need an ‘intervention’ or a ‘welfare check’. I can help.

nyuknyuknyuk August 17, 2014 at 1:11 am

That’s it! I agree with you. Let’s ship all the niggras in SC to Seattle. Problem solved. You are a genius!!!

Bible Thumper August 17, 2014 at 11:39 am

“church being shoved down your throat 24/7”
You seem to be a very bitter person. Perhaps the bitterness can be eliminated if the the medicine (church) is administered by a different orifice. Shove it up instead of down.

Mike at the Beach August 16, 2014 at 11:11 pm

Most of the ones who bitch the most never leave. I say vote with your feet.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:08 am

” I say vote with your feet.”
Hey – you got feet too, Mike. If you don’t like folks bitching, take a hike. And please take Squishy with you.
Funny how the ones who tout themselves as the Great Americans want anyone with an opposing viewpoint to leave. Sheesh!

well now August 17, 2014 at 10:16 am

sc blue, to be fair Mike wasnt saying that stayin here equated to enjoying wallowing in one’s own filth. it’s a pretty legit question for some one who appears to be here and is accussing everyone else here of that thing?

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 10:32 am

“sc blue, to be fair ”
The bottom line is they both have feet.

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:01 am

You just made my point, thanks.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:04 am

You don’t have a point – you are just on here to massage your ego. Thanks.

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:12 am

My ego doesn’t need massaging, your intellect does. My point is pretty clear to those who aren’t blinded by a preconceived agenda.

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:00 am

I would say your logic sucks, but that’s not even logic. I never tell people to leave if they have a problem with my viewpoint; I remind them that that they certainly may leave if they think SC sucks so terribly (and he does).

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:05 am

“I would say your logic sucks, but that’s not even logic”
Pompous Prick strikes again!

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:14 am

Wow- multiple responses to a single line. I feel special. Don’t let people live in your head, and don’t drive angry…

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:20 am

” and don’t drive angry…”
Always the condescending, pompous know-it-all!
Don’t drive with your nose so far up your ass that you can’t see the road, Mikey!

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:23 am

In your head, Einstein. Namaste!

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:06 am

“I would say your logic sucks, but that’s not even logic”
You mean like your “logic” that the only way something can happen is if it has happened in the past 20 years???

Mike at the Beach August 17, 2014 at 11:13 am

Again, you misunderstand. I explained it to you in another response, but you’ll you ‘ll still be driving angry when you leave…

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:19 am

LOL I don’t misunderstand. And I read your “explanation” – in fact I was waiting for it as I knew it would be a classic. Thanks for a good one, Mikey!

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:34 am

Morbid curiosity.

right on - kill YT August 16, 2014 at 11:35 pm

seriously, everyone in SC looks down on a whole race based solely on their race – not like you an me amigo, we just do it to the scum of SC based on where they live. because we’re way superior. wink, wink. well obviously, only the uneducated, stupid backwards white dumbasses – the blacks and all are okay, and as you point out, racists scum are bad enough – but when you throw in that extra degradation of “white racists scum” now you are talking about the lowest of the low. no irony here people keep moving….what a dipshit.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 16, 2014 at 11:41 pm

Have you even read these posts bro? It’s like a David Duke convention in here.
Besides, whites make up the majority of S.C. not black people.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:33 am

Standard fare for Republican/Libertaryan sites to have a load of racists in the comments section.

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 9:40 am

You ARE “Limbaughsaphatkhunt”! LMAO!!!! You slipped up last night. Not sure if it was a Disquis thing or not but you messed with.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:42 am

Guess again.

Smirks August 17, 2014 at 9:11 am

The robbery video does appear to show Brown stealing cigars and strong arming the store owner/clerk/whatever. Doesn’t seen like that is being contested either.

My biggest concern is that, from what I have read, the witnesses all say that Brown was going away from the office and was shot in the back (or jerked as if shot). He then turned around and put his hands up only to be shot multiple times, to his death.

If true, the officer committed nothing short of murder, regardless of the character of the victim. And for fucks sake people, stealing ~$50 worth of cigars and shoving/intimidating a worker is not the kind of shit that would ever justify this.

The autopsy should prove the number of bullets and where they entered from. If the officer murdered this kid I hope he goes away for a long time.

CorruptionInColumbia August 17, 2014 at 9:15 am

Please see my recent post on how reliable the “witnesses” in the hood can be in these type instances.

Justified or not; right, wrong, or indifferent, I would submit that the people of this town are a little safer from this overgrown bully now than they were a few days ago.

Sandi Morals August 17, 2014 at 9:36 am

Are you really that fuckin stupid. It is called a “strong-armed robbery”–a FELONY!
Except to an American/police hating socialist like yourself/Blues/Limbshit(you) that has no respect for authority, it is obvious this thug was on drugs/boozed up, was paranoid when cop stopped him, he attacked the officer and was killed.
Witnesses? You mean the ‘lead’ witness that robbed the store with the thug? Can’t to see the Toxicology report.

SCBlues August 17, 2014 at 11:02 am

“Can’t to see the Toxicology report.”
What are you babbling about now, fool?

Cant wait to visit? August 17, 2014 at 10:12 am

Sounds like the town will be much better off once the last few suppressive whites move out and guys like Brown are running the police force and his friend are running city counsel. just kidding of course, this entire town sounds completely fucked no matter what in the long run.

euwe max August 17, 2014 at 4:36 pm

Three words

Lie detector test

easterndumbfuckistan August 17, 2014 at 5:00 pm

This is a video from the incident. Listen to the background conversation starting at 6:28, it’s seems to corroborate the police narrative fairly well.


How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck


#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him


#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him


#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

Elfego August 17, 2014 at 5:00 pm

Here is looking at the truth in Ferguson and in America:

After looking at hundreds of cases of black mob violence in more than 70 cities all over the country in the last three years, I have found that racial violence is far more widespread than I had ever imagined.

As is the denial of it.

Which is also what the great Thomas Sowell said after reading my book, “White Girl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.”

But you do have to know how to find it.

So let’s look at one case: How the press ignored it; how the police denied it; and how we figured out what really happened on Aug. 5 when 800 people were fighting, firing guns, destroying property and “confronting” Delaware State Police at 2 a.m.

First, contrary to what a reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch told one of my readers, you cannot just assume the crowd is black. No matter what part of town the riot takes place.

In this case, the violence and mayhem took place in an office-park complex in a usually quiet section of a suburb of Wilmington. The local paper did not give us much to go on.

When troopers arrived, they could hear the gunfire and were confronted by a large crowd of between 500 to 800 patrons who were attending a back-to-college party being held there in a warehouse facility.

Back to school? I had images of book bags and pencils.

No one had been arrested and no names were reported.

First stop, the police. I called and emailed: “What happened? Was this a case of black mob violence?”

No reply. I get that a lot. It is a red flag. But red flags are not proof.

I posted comments both at the website of the news story and Craigslist, asking if anyone knew anything. Sometimes it works. This time, nothing.

But I had a radio show coming up, and the liberal morning host had been talking trash about my book. He had not read it, but he did not believe there was an epidemic of racial violence in America. Anyone who disagreed was scorned.

A WND.com reader said it best: People who deny racial violence when confronted with overwhelming evidence of it “are suffering from infantile omnipotence. If it didn’t happen to them, it just didn’t happen.”

Lot of that going around.

One way or another, I wanted to nail this story. If 800 Italian or Asian or American Indian or Eskimo people were rioting, shooting guns, destroying property and confronting police, that would be an even bigger story. A man bites dog story.

So I contacted the police again. This time with a wave of emails and phone calls. Finally one reply. No one took any notice of the “racial or ethnic background” of the 800 people creating all the mayhem.

Fair enough.

Was there a police report? “No.”

No surprise there. As far as police were concerned, 800 people on the streets firing guns, destroying property and fighting never happened.

The newspapers did have an address: 200 Lisa Drive. Google Earth had a picture of the front of the building, but there was no name.

I ran that through several databases and came up with a Pentecostal Church. Bingo!, I thought. A church party that got out of hand. It’s called an “investigative hypothesis” for those not familiar with the reporting racket.

False alarm: The church had come and gone several years before.

But I did come across a real estate website to rent the property. Calls and emails to a high-end commercial real estate brokerage went unanswered. Again.

More red flags. No one wants to talk about racial violence in their town. They just don’t.

The search continued. Finally I hit it. Pictures and details of the big party – with hundreds and hundreds of photos of that party and others. With lots of the required flashing of gang signs and obscene gestures.

A Facebook page for “FamEntertainment,” a party company with 1,291 followers. And a party Twitter stream. And a website with info on other parties at the site.

And 200 Lisa Drive?

This dull warehouse was transformed into the Grand Re-opening of Spot 200, a professionally produced party, with lots of lights and cool props; promoted by and for black people. The same people had the same kind of party one year before at the same place with the same result: Fighting. Shooting. Property destruction. Big police response. One person shot.

I left messages at all the online places, including individual messages to many of those in attendance. Nothing.

As to the “back to school” angle, the party company sent buses to several black colleges within 50 miles.

Along with the online invitations were several warnings telling party goers to behave properly or they will get kicked out of the warehouse and not invited back. “No Drama Tonight If you getting saucyy, Make sure you act right,” said @Amazing_Fey.

No one listened.

The police were befuddled. They even made a plea in the local paper, asking anyone with information to call it in. Or call CrimeStoppers and collect a reward.

The police probably did not read the part of the party invitations that said “dress nice” because “WE ON MOVIE STATUS TONIGHT!!” Or else they would have seized the movies as evidence.

All this happened two weeks after a Presbyterian minister was attacked by a mob of black people in Wilmington.

So we talked about it on the radio on Friday afternoon, Aug. 17. Including FamEntertainment’s plans for another big party at Spot 200 for the following evening.

We also talked about a member of the Wilmington City Council who said anyone who opposed Barack Obama was a racist. And a prominent local black minister who said that black mob violence is due to 400 years of oppression.

By Friday night, anyone subscribing to their Facebook or Twitter stream received the following message: The party was canceled.

But Saturday night, Aug. 25, the back to school party is moving to Dover, Del., near the campus of Delaware State University, a black college.

If you are in the neighborhood, tell ‘em Colin sent you.

In the meantime, maybe you can help me out: Local news reports in Erie, Pa., last week talked about crowds of “unruly teenagers” (big red flag) fighting, destroying property and shooting guns during the Celebrate Erie festival.

Anyone know anything?

See Colin Flaherty’s exclusive reporting for WND on race riots:

Black commentators sound off on racial violence

See no Evil: Racial violence underreported

‘Perfect storm’ of black violence on ‘gays’

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Georgia man was reportedly beaten savagely and “left for dead” by a group of black men who apparently didn’t approve that he was dating an African-American girl.

As the interracial couple roamed through Ellis Square, one of Savannah’s busiest centers in the historic downtown district, a group of three black men began taunting them, hurling racial slurs and gestures at them. The incident occurred shortly before midnight last Friday, WTOC-TV reports.

Soon after, the men began blowing kisses at the pair and then suddenly jumped the white boyfriend, Andrew Quade, 23, without warning. They proceeded to beat him viciously, leaving him barely holding onto consciousness.

“This shouldn’t happen in this day and age. I know we’re in the South and all that, but it’s time for a change,” the girlfriend, Olufisayo Bakre, told WTOC-TV.

Elfego August 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm

It shouldn’t matter that I, an author with the audacity to select such a title, am black. The arguments presented should stand or fall on their objective merit. Nevertheless, I declare my racial identity at the outset to defuse any prejudice readers may bring regarding the motivation behind this piece. Indeed, it is in part because I am black that the following must be said.

All things considered, blacks and the civil rights culture surrounding them are the most open and prolific purveyors of racism in America. This is an ironic travesty which spits upon the graves of history’s abolitionists and offends all who are committed to a dream of equality under the law and goodwill among men.

Surely, such a claim is provocative. Unfortunately, it is also demonstrable.

In a recent interview with National Public Radio host Michel Martin, the Oscar-winning black actor Morgan Freeman made the odd declaration that President Barack Obama is not America’s first black president. NPR reports:

“First thing that always pops into my head regarding our president is that all of the people who are setting up this barrier for him … they just conveniently forget that Barack had a mama, and she was white — very white American, Kansas, middle of America,” Freeman said. “There was no argument about who he is or what he is. America’s first black president hasn’t arisen yet. He’s not America’s first black president — he’s America’s first mixed-race president.”

This is a new take on Obama’s racial identity from Freeman, who has previously cited Obama’s blackness as the chief motivation behind political opposition from both Republicans in Congress and the Tea Party movement. From an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan:

… Morgan asked the actor, “Has Obama helped the process of eradicating racism or has it, in a strange way, made it worse?”

“Made it worse. Made it worse,” Freeman replied. “The tea partiers who are controlling the Republican party … their stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that Obama only serves one term. What underlines that? Screw the country. We’re going to do whatever we can to get this black man out of here.”

Apparently, Obama is black enough to trigger baseless charges of racism, but not black enough to qualify as the first black president. If that makes your brain hurt, you might be rational.

Freeman’s comments are not anomalies. He channels long-held, broadly accepted ideas regarding what it means to be black, the relevance of race, and the claim of blacks upon the rest of society. These ideas are horrifically racist, yet uniquely tolerated.

The tolerance of racist ideas openly expressed by blacks and the larger civil rights establishment is informed by sloppy thinking regarding both race and the role of government in society. True reconciliation requires confronting these ideas with reason. Here are eight ways in which blacks are perpetuating racism, and the one true way to effectively thwart it.

Obama’s not black enough for this guy.

8 ) Seeking Racial “Purity”

Individuals or groups who seek racial “purity” are properly condemned as bigots — if they are white. Non-whites are routinely given a pass, and in some cases encouraged to “preserve their culture” through sexual segregation.

Morgan Freeman laments President Obama’s “white mama” and cites her as evidence that Obama is not truly black. This raises a few questions, the first of which is: what is “black”?

At the very least, by Freeman’s standard, having a white mother disqualifies one from being black. (That counts me out, too.) But not all blacks are equally so. Freeman himself is relatively light-skinned, certainly on a global spectrum. Many native Africans are far darker than Freeman, closer to ebony than brown. Indeed, the American black is invariably of mixed race, distinct from African cousins by breeding with whites over hundreds of years. Of course, the same can be said of any race over a long enough period of time. American whites are commonly a melting pot of Norwegian, Swede, German, Irish, Latin, Russian, and any of a dozen others.

That speaks to a critical truth. Race is a social construct of little objective value beyond efficiently communicating an amalgam of physical descriptors. President Obama is black, not because both parents were so, but because his physical characteristics are categorized as such in our thought and language. Beyond that, race means nothing. The notion of racial “purity” is inherently irrational, because race itself is subjective.

Why then should we distinguish Obama as the first black president, or argue over whether he is black enough to qualify as such? What rational value does such a distinction have? What is Freeman getting at?

Given the political context, it seems likely that Freeman desires a president whose blackness more dramatically informs public policy. Of course, a president so oriented would necessarily disenfranchise everyone else. And that’s the idea.

… unless we’re the ones doing it.

7 ) Cultural Segregation

Perhaps the most objective metric supporting the claim that blacks prolifically purvey racism is the astounding number of organizations which openly segregate. There are names we have all come to know, from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to Black Entertainment Television. And there are many others which are lesser known. Consider this list from one of many similar ones available on the web:

American Association of Blacks in Energy

The Association of Black Psychologists

The Executive Leadership Council

Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies

National Association of Black Accountants

National Association of Black Hotel Owners, Operators, and Developers

National Association of Black Journalists

National Black Business Council

National Black Chamber of Commerce

National Black MBA Association

National Black Nurses Association

National Council of Negro Women

National Coalition of 100 Black Women

National Medical Association

National Newspaper Publishers Association

National Urban League

National Society of Black Engineers

Organization of Black Designers

United Negro College Fund

100 Black Men of America

Surely, blacks are not the only demographic group which chooses to associate together, and there is certainly nothing wrong with free association. The problem is the double standard. Substitute white for black in any of the above and you would have theatrical public outcry and claims of civil rights violations.

Segregation of blacks by whites is widely regarded as one of the banes of the civil rights movement. Yet segregation is widely tolerated when blacks choose to engage in it. Such an obvious double standard fuels racial animosity rather than soothing it. If the goal of the civil rights movement was and remains equality and inclusion, how does such prolific segregation advance that?

Little do they know one of them is responsible for the systematic oppression of the other.

6 ) Collective Responsibility

Comedian Chris Rock took this past Fourth of July as an opportunity to pimp antiquated racial hatreds. He tweeted:

Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren’t free but I’m sure they enjoyed fireworks (sic)

Rock, of course, leads a life of distinguished privilege among the entertainment industry’s brightest stars. He has never lived in chains as the property of another human being. Nor has anyone he knows. Nor has any American in several generations. That the philosophical bias of emancipation was enshrined in the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 is as elusive to Chris Rock as the fact that the men who signed it were not made free by the stroke of a pen. Ideas proceed actions, and the process of crafting government which regards all men as equal under the law continues even today.

Nevertheless, Rock feels justified feigning indigence at a crime to which neither he nor any person alive was a party. How is that possible? He subscribes to and relies upon an irrational sense of collective responsibility.

He is black. The slaves were black. So he is as a slave.

There exist whites. Slave masters were white. So whites are as slave masters.

It’s an elementary logical fallacy which is nonetheless amplified by academics and entertainers alike. It has become a kind of racial gospel, quite literally in the case of black liberation theology. Popular culture is replete with black commentators, preachers, authors, and celebrities testifying to the injustice of slavery as if it happened to them personally and continues to this day.

This offends on two fronts. First, a son is not responsible for the sins of his father. Second, though overt slavery has been long abolished in America, there remain rampant intrusions upon fundamental liberties to varying degrees throughout the world. It is stunningly disingenuous to wring hands over distant history while at best saying nothing about and at worst advocating the many encroachments upon individual rights commonplace today.

In a piece examining black author Touré and the objects of prescribed “spiritual liberation,” PJM associate editor David Swindle asks:

What are his primary liberation concerns in the chapter he titles “Keep It Real is a Prison”? Liberating the black children trapped in inner city schools mismanaged by Democrats and teacher union bureaucrats? Liberating the law-abiding, black families struggling to keep out of the crossfire amidst the the astronomical rate of black-on-black violence? What about liberating the untold numbers of African blacks oppressed by dictators and Islamists? How about all the black women around the world today living as victims of female genital mutilation? What about the black women victimized by gang rape in the Congo?

No tweets on any of that from Chris Rock.

O.J. Simpson was all smiles after his acquittal. Many black onlookers saw it as a victory against racism.

5 ) Masquerading Vengeance as Justice

You can’t have justice without equal treatment under the law. Yet many policy prescriptions and attitudes relating to race explicitly call for the preferential treatment of minorities.

Perhaps the most egregious example is affirmative action. Rather than apply the same standard to all candidates for a given opportunity, affirmative action lowers or eliminates standards for favored groups. This is insulting to all parties concerned, making experience and qualifications inferior to irrelevant political considerations. It is by definition an injustice. Yet is is tolerated and even mandated. Why?

Building on the notion of collective responsibility, affirmative action is sold as social justice. The sins of white fathers deprived black sons of opportunity, it is argued. So white sons must cede their place to blacks. This is not justice in any objective sense. It is an irrational vengeance exacted upon the innocent on behalf of the un-wronged. It is at best a punishment of the son for the sins of his father, and never connected to a demonstrable wrong. What are the odds that a given white person’s ancestor committed a crime against a given black person’s ancestor? To the black racist, it doesn’t matter, because white guilt is collective, as is black entitlement.

Another common way in which vengeance is masqueraded as justice is the rationalization of specific black crime as justified by generalized white crime. Blacks celebrated as O.J. Simpson was acquitted, not because they believed he was innocent, but because he put one over on the Man. Consider this 2007 admission from the blogger of The Black Factor:

For more than a decade, O.J. Simpson has been the Negro that got away. To put it into historical context, O.J. Simpson is the ni**er Whites couldn’t lynch at noon. O.J. was one of the few Black people, who could afford to play the legal system the way Whites have longed played the legal system (Claus Van Bulow, anyone?). And, right or wrong, he walked free. And, many Whites got all beside themselves. As a result, Blacks have been listening to Whites play the crying game every since (sic).

Note no concern for justice. O.J. was a black man getting back at whites for the collective injustices of the past. The object of such a sentiment isn’t to obtain equal treatment under the law, but to turn the tables of history and subject whites to injustice as revenge.

4 ) Loose Accusations of Racism

Race is one of several factors which inform an observer’s subjective judgment, and is not particularly special. What a person wears, how they talk, their posture and demeanor — all have an effect upon what an observer presumes about them. This is particularly true when the observer has to make a quick judgment in an impromptu encounter.

The ability to make snap judgments about another is an integral part of our survival instinct and ought not be blunted by political correctness or cited as evidence of racism. Prejudice, or pre-judgment, is something we rationally inculcate in our children at a very young age. We teach them to beware of strangers. How a person looks is one of the first and most effective means by which we determine them to be strange.

In this sense prejudice is both innate to all persons and appropriate in many contexts. If a woman taking a turn down an alley suppresses her prejudice regarding a gang of motley young men, she risks much unnecessarily.

Prejudice is not inherently racist, and loose accusations of racism based on isolated perceptions of prejudice are premature. Words have meaning, and we have different words to describe distinct concepts. Prejudice, bigotry, and racism are not interchangeable. While prejudice can be innocent and even reasonable in certain contexts, bigotry is the irrational maintenance of a prejudice in light of evidence to the contrary. Bigotry can be informed by a multitude of factors, of which race is only one. Racism is what we call bigotry informed by race.

These distinctions are important in any intellectually honest discussion of race relations. When prejudice, bigotry, and racism are used interchangeably, it is evidence that the discussion is not honest.

3 ) Fighting Irrationality with Irrationality

The consensus that racism is bad does not seem to be informed by a consensus as to why. For many, it seems that racism is simply out of fashion, rather than an objective wrong.

Bigotry offends reason. Sustaining a prejudice about an individual in light of evidence to the contrary does not make sense. It is a rejection of reality, and that is what makes it offensive. Attempts by hand-wringing “progressives” to combat racism with equally irrational assertions compound the offense.

A recent example is the so-called Unfair Campaign, an initiative out of Duluth which was until recently supported by the University of Minnesota. The mission of the Unfair Campaign is to “to raise awareness about white privilege in our community.”

The notion of “white privilege,” as articulated by the Unfair Campaign in the above video, is itself a racist sentiment. To assume that all whites have an inherent leg up on the rest of society is as irrational as assuming all blacks are somehow inferior. Indeed, the sentiments are one and the same, a point raised in this response featuring yours truly.

The University of Minnesota has since quietly removed its support of the Unfair Campaign.

Liberty fosters respect and cooperation.

2 ) Treating Whites as Hostiles Rather Than Traders

All of the above fosters racism because it perpetuates irrationalism in the culture. At worst, irrationalism becomes institutionalized through public policy, wielding government’s monopoly on force toward subjective and therefore unjust ends. As the populace perceives such injustice, animosity is created where it may not otherwise exist, and accelerated where it might otherwise be benign.

The underlying principle is applicable beyond race relations. Under a condition of liberty, where each individual is protected against the initiation of force by another, trust is engendered and people deal peaceably with one another in trade, offering value for value. When strangers meet in the market, they begin with a greeting.

Conversely, when strangers meet in the wild, they begin with a threat or warning. Why? Because they are not otherwise protected from the initiation of force. Suspicion and hostility is fostered whenever public policy treats people unjustly, such as when one race is granted preferential treatment over another. It doesn’t matter whether it’s whites being treated preferentially under Jim Crow, or blacks being treated preferentially under affirmative action, the injustice and resulting cultural degradation are the same.

These civil rights would enslave producers to consumers.

1 ) Lifting Civil Rights Above Inalienable Rights

The term “civil rights” has become sacrosanct in the political discourse. It has become interchangeable with “correct” and a rhetorical bludgeon with which to bloody opponents of “social justice.” To call something “a civil rights issue” is to end the argument. Health care. Marriage. Education. Jobs. All have been evoked as civil rights. In so doing, proponents of a new affirmative action hope to paint their opposition as bigots, because popular sentiment holds that only a bigot would oppose a civil right.

This is another corruption of the language, most egregious because of its effect upon public policy and the way in which force is applied in people’s lives. Not all civil rights are good. In fact, when they are crafted in opposition to the inalienable rights recognized in the Declaration and protected by the Constitution, they are downright evil.

Civil rights are legal grants from the state which can be wholly arbitrary. The inalienable rights of the individual are objectively derived and exist independent of the state. Good civil rights support inalienable rights. For instance, voting is a civil right which compliments the inalienable rights of the voter. Bad civil rights oppose inalienable rights. Granting a civil right to health care or any other provision places a burden upon producers to supply their wares without trade, something which used to be called robbery.

Because the civil rights movement of the 1960s was in opposition to institutionalized racism, civil rights have since been associated with decency and justice in the public discourse. That association has been abused to promote all manner of wrong. The potential exists to make a civil right out of anything. In fact, the claim of a slave owner over his “property” in a state with legal slavery would be a civil right. A hammer might be used to bash in someone’s head as readily as it may pound a nail. Likewise, civil rights may be crafted for ill as readily as for good.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed of a world where people were treated equally under the law, and judged by one another according to the content of their character. Such a world requires the condition of liberty, where people may only deal with each other in trade, not by force. Absent the fear and distrust which manifest in a system of political favoritism, people are incentivized to deal with each other respectfully. Free association can never deprive anyone of anything. Force can, however, and therefore ought to be removed from human relationships. That’s what proper government does. True concern for racial equality can only manifest in a vigorous defense of individual rights. Those who mindlessly seek civil rights in opposition to objectively derived individual rights seek tyranny, not equality, and deserve to be regarded as the agitators they are.

Slartibartfast August 17, 2014 at 9:45 pm

No-one, of any race, is redeemed because of their racial heritage. Neither are they diminished. Modern understandings of cultural groupings do not give free reign to those who wish to re-write history, nor to those who wish to project the past into the present. All we can do, all we can hope to do, is understand the real meaning of the American Constitution. All people are equal in their inalienable right to liberty without interference from government for ANY reason as long as they do not interfere with the liberty of anyone else, the chance to exceed their current status of well-being, and in the ownership of their person without question or interference. God help us, if we cannot understand this simple American truth.


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