THE “REPUBLICAN” ESTABLISHMENT? NOT SO MUCH …
Brash, bombastic Donald Trump became the GOP presidential frontrunner by speaking bluntly about the dangers of illegal immigration from Mexico … and he appears poised to remain the GOP presidential frontrunner by speaking similarly about the dangers associated with immigrants from Muslim countries.
Meanwhile the “Republican” establishment – which attacked Trump relentlessly in the aftermath of his Mexican standoff – is making the same mistake it did months ago.
Two days ago, a national reporter contacted Will Folks – the founding editor of this website – and asked for his perspective on Trump’s recent call to temporarily halt all Muslim immigration to the United States.
“I think he is seizing upon something the rest of the field cannot – and frankly I think his ‘Muslim Wall’ will be every bit as popular with the GOP electorate as his Mexican Wall,” Folks told the scribe.
Well guess what …
According to new polling data released this week by Bloomberg, “almost two-thirds of likely 2016 Republican primary voters favor Donald Trump’s call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S., while more than a third say it makes them more likely to vote for him.”
Specifically, 65 percent of GOP primary voters supported Trump’s policy – compared to only 22 percent who opposed it.
The pollsters also grudgingly acknowledged that despite efforts by “conservative” media outlets to sink Trump’s candidacy over the issue (sound familiar?) – the controversy enveloping him this week isn’t hurting his campaign.
“Despite some conventional wisdom expressed in the last 48 hours, this is unlikely to hurt Trump at least in the primary campaign,” said Doug Usher of Washington, D.C.-based Purple Strategies, the group which conducted the poll.
Um … Ya think?
Memo to the GOP establishment: Trump is feeding off of this. Again. And once again “Republicans” are totally misreading their own voters in responding.
The most amazing thing about the Bloomberg data? GOP primary voters still overwhelmingly embraced Trump’s proposal after they were “push-polled” on the issue – or fed biased statements such as “leaders from across the political spectrum have condemned (Trump’s) policy” or Trump’s policy would “make America less safe by alienating the allies we need to fight ISIS.”
Even after hearing these descriptors, a whopping 64 percent of the GOP electorate still supported Trump (including 52 percent who still strongly supported his proposal).
That’s unheard of …
Don’t get us wrong: We have serious constitutional concerns regarding what Trump has proposed, as well as legitimate questions about whether his plan is even feasible. And we certainly think there are better ways of accomplishing his objective. But as one of our letter writers recently noted, “Trump sounds like the only guy who has a practical plan for dealing with this (ISIS) crap – while the Republican establishment is going to war with him.”
Indeed …
Also as we noted in this recent piece, whatever one thinks of the national security implications of accepting certain immigrants the bottom line is America cannot afford to accept any new immigrants.
The GOP was already prepared to press the panic button over Trump’s candidacy prior to this controversy blowing up. Now it is faced with an unpalatable choice: 1) Do nothing and watch Trump continue to pick up support. 2) Attack Trump and watch him continue to pick up support.
That’s a no-win proposition for the “Republican” establishment … and frankly, we love watching it all unravel.
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if the majority of republicans want him gone, they better do it now, if they wait until the convention to pull the plug on him, a significant percentage of their voters will split off from the party and will be voting for some third party nutcase for decades.
As my respect for Trump grows, my disdain and lack of respect for sellouts like Lindsey Graham and Mick Mulvaney also increases.
Is Mick now Lindsey’s new love interest? Mick did good in getting rid of gasbag Spratt, but Mick is well past his expiration date and has begun to turn. A suitable replacement needs to be found, ASAP.
When people say they respect Trump and his views they’ve just lost all credibility.
Just like the lying piece of shit himself.
Lying? What did Trump lie about?
Everyone lies at one time or another and especially any politician, but what whoppers are you referring to from Trump?
Seeing thousands of Muslims cheering and dancing in the streets of New Jersey after 9/11.
Claiming he didn’t make fun of a handicapped reporter at his rally.
There’s two. His speeches are filled with untruths too. There dozens of articles about his lies. Google “trump lies”
Name your candidate and Google their lies.
Sorry, I can’t find anyone else running that made fun of a handicapped reporter and then lied about it.
Nice covering for Trump’s lying though.
….or completely making up a story and then demanding an apology when called on it.
Plus, he’s talked about his daughter in a very creepy and inappropriate manner on a few televised interviews. Total slime ball.
Sounds like another commenter here that we all know and loathe.
I wish Ohio would stop trashing our fine state.
trump is lying to you just like all the rest of the politicians that have you pissed off in the first place, he is just a lot better at it. if you took the time to think about it, it would be all too plain that the muslim wall can not be done.
Actually, there is precedent for “the muslim wall” in the form of an existing law giving the President the means to deny immigration of groups or classes of people INto the country who are potentially harmful to our country.
I believe President Jimmy Carter may have used it to curtail the number of Iranians coming into the US.
ok lets think this out. 1 turkey is a NATO ally, do you really think they are going to set there and let us treat their citizens like second rate people and look at the populations of the rest of the nato allies, they are going to fall in behind turkey and we can pretty much kiss our nato alliences goodby. 2 Jordan has been about as good a friend as we have ever had in the middle east, kiss them goodby. 3 sanctions on our exports and especially oil. Putin is gonna love that, he really needs to sell more oil and look how he will be able to advance russian interest in muslim countries all over the world. you want to know what iran has been feeling for the last couple of decades, let trump try put up the muslim wall as bad as congress is, they would never let that nut do that much harm to our country. in other words he is never going to do it.
4-infinity –
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Egypt
UAE
Qatar
Oman
Tunisia
Algeria
Morocco
India
Pakastan
Indonesia
Michigan
Ontario
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Bosnia
Kosovo
Albania
I-95 Motels north of Florence
Convenience Stores Myrtle Beach
You forgot Minnesota eh?
Tazman & Rockmiester, do you or do you not think trump knows he is just bullshitting his base? i don’t see how he could not know it.
I think many people are desperate for some real leadership outside of the current DC bunch. Is he serious? Can’t tell. Is Donald perfect? Far from it, but if he is upsetting our establishment and shining a light on what is wrong I’m all for it. As you can see from reading these critical posts no one is willing to run their own candidate through the same gauntlet. That is all I need to know to know somebody is full of it.
oh i’m sure mine will be running the gauntlet soon enough again and the sad thing is benghazi will be one issue and”the party of trump” will be the other. i really think that is going to be the meat and potatoes of the 2016 election.
1. Everything (it seems) you post is easily read in your account so it seems you standby what you say unlike the chickenshit nutter trolls who post under many different unknown accounts. That speaks to your character, IMO.
2. I don’t expect everyone to be a rubber stamp of me. That would be intellectually boring. As long as you can convey your ideas without Ad Hominem attacks I’m always interested in hearing them as long as you don’t mind my disagreement. My thinking evolves from taking in many points of view.
3. Hillary? (face smack)
about the only real issue i have with you at the moment is you forced me to spit a mouth full of coffee all over my monitor and keyboard talking about changing the names of Clemson buildings the other day, that was the funniest comment i have heard this year and there ain’t but a few days left.
That would have been the shitstorm of the century whether the story was factual or not. What a nightmare to a glorious season for them.
In an alternate universe Trump finally says to his supporters: “I was just trying to see how deep I could go without offending the Republican base, but it appears that well is bottomless. I was also testing whether you had enough brains to figure out I was just screwing with you, and you don’t.” Then, he wakes up in the shower with Pam Ewing.
I’ll take that shower.
He knows it. He knows they’re rubes, that why he plays them.
Yeah. Hey, Shifty – need some of them Minnesota jokes.
Love it! The the GOP is finding out the hard way that pandering to bigots and racists was a big mistake. I imagine the RNC is going to take a mulligan on 2016, ditch the crazies, rebrand and try again next time. You’ll see people like Nikki Haley on the national stage for the GOP.
Right now, the WORLD is slapping the shit out of that orange gas bag.
He’ll be gone from the GOP before the year ends.
And a new Democrat President will be elected next year.
All thanks to people just like me.
People like J-Dug?
I don’t believe I have heard one proposal (anything outside he’s going to make it great) out of Trump that is feasible. Also, for someone who is suppose to be such a great manager – his handlers are constantly having to retract or clarify most of the crap he says.
Without his handlers, Trump would have gone completely broke decades ago.
I’m stealing this and making a slight modification:
Donald Trump is like a comment section on FitNews come to life.
wow, so we are all trump DNA? far fucking out man!
“The Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.”
-Donald Trump on his future plans
Just kidding, that was President Jammie Carder (D) in a 1980 speech.
was’nt that reaction to over running our embassy and taking everyone in it hostage? i don’t think it was going after a religion.
And making a fool of him? Yes, you have a valid point. After the No Muslims then the without good vetting was added. As someone pointed out elsewhere we have muslim countries that we ahve good relations with so after vetting I think they would enter. No different from south of the border. I have great friends whom have immigrated from Mexico, wouldn’t be nice if we KNEW who was coming in?
At least you dropped that stupid “?..but Carter did it.” talking point. Tell your buddies. Trump supporters are dropping that DOA comment all over the web today.
Remember when you Libs were hating the term UnAmerican? That has been dropped everywhere also. Somewhere between 385,000 un-vetted Syrians and keeping all Muslims out is where we need to be, but no one wants to be reasonable so the policy that assures the least terrorism is the logical choice.
I disagree with this Administrations policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
Carter expelled Iranians who’s visas weren’t in order and just increased the vetting proccess for others. He didn’t just say “No Iranians” like Trump said “No Muslims”.
No 7,000 were not in order, 15,000 were expelled.
He didn’t eject every Iranian from the US, nor did he reject all Iranians entering the country.
Trump is suggesting all Muslims should be barred from entering the country. He just has no idea how that would be accomplished. Like his other policies. I’m sure he’d assure you it would work great, though.
Back to the drawing board…
Be prepared for the next crude drawing, kindergarten doesn’t tend to produce Mona Lisa material.
The great thing about Trump’s postion right now is that he can literally say anything and his supporters will believe it and try and defend it. So funny!
This is what I told Hillary but she didn’t believe me. I’ve won so many bets with her, she’s buying my lunch for the next 8 years. Good thing she’ll have a fancy job to pay for them!
Apples and oranges.
ISIS considers itself a Nation State. If you were to draw a Venn Diagram of Jihadi terrorists not all muslims would be in it, many countries would, and a great chance no Episcopalians.
i think he was calling trump supporters a bunch of fruits Taz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFON1IE13Lg
…and Trump considers himself a serious candidate for president.
What’s your point?
Ergo, Muslims from all nations of the world should be barred entry into the U.S? It’s un-American, immoral, illegal, and f’ing stupid.
i don’t know about that, i get all jihadi on fits all the time.
If ISIS is a Nation State then we should invalidate all visas issued to Isisian citizens and refuse to issue new visas to or renew the visas of Isisian citizens. That is apples and apples.
Not all Muslims are in that diagram but all that are in it are Muslims. Get the distinction? How do you propose to run the DHS? I think a reasonable person can agree the Obama Administration is failing on all fronts. I’m asking for logical sense not Party politics.
You make it party politics when you start off saying Obama has failed on all fronts. So how can we have a discussion that is not party politics.
I can’t help the opposite of succeeding in foreign policy is failed in the English Language. How about not been very effective?
Look, Obama has been very effective in repairing our reputation among our allies, which was destroyed by Bush. I know you right wingers don’t believe that, but if you would talk to people in Europe you would know they hated Bush and they hated America run by Bush. We can get them to do far more now than we could have under Bush. Further we have had fewer Terrorists attacks under Obama than under Bush or Clinton. Finally we have killed more terrorist leaders under Obama than under Bush. But that aside we can agree Obama has not contained ISIS.
That said, you will empower ISIS and cause their ranks to grow if you isolate moderate Muslims and mistreat moderate Muslims. You will be confirming what they are saying. Which is that America is a Christian Nation at war with all Muslims.
To me the way to resolve this issue, and we are a long way from doing it, is to stop importing Middle Eastern Oil. We need to get our corporations out of the Middle East. We need to walk away from that part of the world. When we no longer need them and are no longer involved in the operation of their countries. When our Corporation stop bribing their officials and playing money politics. We will be close. But that will still leave Israel; and I don’t have a clue how we will ever resolve that; as long American Christians believe we are on the side of the Anti-Christ unless we defend Israel against Muslims.
Muslims can’t be vetted.
The values expressed in their Koran are incompatible with our
constitutional republic/Judeao-Christian values. They will never assimilate and will likely go
jihad on us.
You want us to exterminate them then, flip?
How about the talks with other countries about acting against ISIS? Obama has already spoken with Putin many times on this. We are coordinating efforts with other countries, which is how it should be done. We don’t need boots on the ground, and if we did, we don’t need OUR boots on the ground. We already tried that with Iraq and Afghanistan once and have quite the bill and loss of American lives to show for it.
As a Dem, I’ll admit that our president has been somewhat of a disappointment. But, he was re-elected with the economy even in the shape that it was. Which was unheard of. And you honestly think that the majority of this country is going to elect a neo-Hitler, somewhat unstable bigot , like “The Donald”? Get real. Nominate him. And if not, please let him run as an independent.
He could call for nuking Mecca and his followers wouldn’t flinch.
They’d orgasm!
Twice.
Uh oh, Will’s hero Ron Paul doesn’t like Trump…
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/03/ron-paul-donald-trump-is-an-authoritarian-and-he-brags-about-it/
By going after the Pauls’ white supremacist vote, Donald Trump has violated their NAP.
Yeah, Rand’s dog whistling just wasn’t going to cut it when Trump’s bullhorn go going.
Being a racist doesn’t violate the NAP.
Someone can be a racist and not violate the NAP. If they act out on their hate to commit a crime against the person or his property, then that is a NAP violation and would be in conflict with libertarian principles.
Libertarians don’t want to throw people in jail over their thoughts.
Probably because I pay better.
Ummmmm…Kemosabe…so Flag-Ripping-WITHOUT-Your-Vote-Nikki Haley is AGAIN bashing Trump on this and most notably losing big
The more we hear from this disgrace who keeps putting egg on her face we’re reminded that there are lotsa RINOs sleeping with this pig !!!
Hi pogo. Isn’t it funny how you got outted and rejected and now your hero Trump is about to get rejected by the GOP. You finally got the candidate who speaks like you and Americans and the entire world has slapped the shit out of you all. Happy Holidays!
Huh. I guess that Darwin fellow we abducted many Earth years ago was right about that evolution thing. Hold off on the planetary death ray, let’s see how this species plays out.
Just our luck. We finally have contact with aliens and their first stop is the FitsNews comments section. You should put us out of our misery.
maybe they need a good laugh
Humans–often confused and seldom in doubt–actually thought Killiary would get elected if he voted for her ten times
But when he was thrown out of ACORN for giving YOUR money to whores–the boy got sent to prison for his crimes !!!
Did you get lonely, pogo?
If I was you, I’d be more worried about the guy who shot up PP in CO calling himself a “warrior for the babies” today in court. Carla and the others who drummed up those debunked videos and promoted them have the blood of a cop, an Iraq veteran who fought terrorists and a young mother of two. Plus the many other cops and people he shot and they survived. You belong to White ISIS.
Humans joined Killiary in saying killing babies was okay but then Humans is STILL full of crap
But now he DOES want all of you to keep paying for his Obama phone–his Section 8–and SNAP !!!
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Kemosabe, nikki is sow rat, what have pigs done to you?
Why did you drop the J.Smith identity? Couldn’t up vote yourself?
Another kook joins the bandwagon.
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article48870070.html
I thought Graham just hated the Jews?
He’s evolving.
Strange,but true:There are other counties in the world besides the USA.It’s like baseball,and The World Series(only America teams play)…
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35052505
Truman vaporized two Japanese cities faced with Japan’s declaration of a bloody “house to house” death to the last man standing
Trump is not calling for vaporizing anyone
Putin is the only leader with the balls to state that if you are going to try and annihilate me then I will annihilate you first
Vaporize one, two, three or more ISIS cities/locations and they will stop their madness not because they have changed their minds but because their minds will be floating about 50,000 feet above sea level
Move to Russia.
Vaporizing cities is what got people to join ISIS in the first place.
Let the adults handle this.
No one has used Nuclear Solution yet, but Putin is talking about such
As for let the adults handle this why don’t you email the families of the victims in California and Paris and ask them how that is working out for them
Putin talks about a lot of stuff. Never accomplishes anything, but talks alot.
That’s the point. Bomb the shit out of a country to kill one terrorist group in order to create the next terrorist group. Keeps us at war in the Middle East for the foreseeable future.
japan surrendered because the russians had started invading their home islands, Eisenhower never forgave truman for nuking japan, as a mater of fact their is a tradition of first ladies having tea as the whitehouse changes hands, Eisenhower broke that tradition saying he would not put on step in the whitehouse until “that son of a bitch is gone”. truman nuked japan thinking he could back stalin down.
The loss of more blood and treasure was THE deciding factor and American dissenters of that move were very few in number. Have never heard that of Eisenhower, a man I have respect for.
thttp://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm
i think i read that in the Atlantic but it has been many years, but here is some history they don’t teach us, as in all historical account there are the “columbus discovered america” accounts and then there are the accounts that drill a little deeper into the facts anyway this is a short but good read.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/met.cfm
here is the account of the tea fiasco, gonna have more time to find the sob comment
I find most, not all revisionist history is thinly veiled ideology. Humans throughout time have been ugly tribal people whom have done horrible things no doubt. I will try to research that though. If you find a link please share.
“Then there was that campaign speech in Wisconsin, during which General Eisenhower intended to defend Secretary of State’s George Marshall against allegations spread by Senator Joseph R. McCarthy of Wisconsin, then at the height of his demagogic power.”
You do realize that McCarthy was vindicated after the Russian files were read post Cold War? That is an example of what I was speaking of.
“japan surrendered because the russians had started invading their home islands”
Japan is known to have known that Soviet troops were headed their way from the European theater. Had never heard that interesting part about Eisenhower.
Agreed that the troop movements by the Soviets in August, 1945, probably had as much to do with Japan rolling over as the two bombs
Faced with either the US turning their country into a desert of glass beads or the Soviets exacting revenge Japan ‘s goose was cooked
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/macarthur/filmmore/reference/interview/maihafer01.html
Nah, I think two vaporized cities actually pushed them to quit.
you have to remember the fire bombing of tokyo killed almost as many as the two nukes combined, they were ready for the losses and were moving what was left of their war machine out into rural areas, bombing has never won a war, the german war machine increased during the allied carpet bombing, except, and this is a big except, cutting off oil supply.
Fire bombing you have a chance to put out the fire. Nuclear bomb – it’s flash, bang, over. I think that scared the crap out of them
Somebody may want to take a look at Japan. They don’t seem to have terrorism, but then they don’t really let Muslims in either. The Japanese view Islam as a dangerous religion and publicly discourage it. You cannot pray in groups in public or you face stiff fines. And since they beheaded the two Japanese guys a few months ago, Japan has taken an even harsher approach towards Muslims.
Japan has roughly 100,000 Muslims.
Amen!
The Republican “Ruling Class” has become as “Politically Correct” as the feckless “Democrat Ruling Class”! They are all self serving idiots! Thay will say anything to get elected and care more about their elections than the Country and the innocent American men, women and children who would be slaughtered at the hands of these animals! Am I the only one who remembers, in the 70s the images of a Grammar School, in Israel, where the ankle deep blood of innocent Israeli children and teachers was mopped up and swept out the doors! These bastards would kill every one in this Country by any means available to them nuclear, chemical, or biological! Trump said, “until we have better means of determining who is coming in, stop the immigration”! Common sense, except by the idiots who would sacrifice the lives of multitudes of innocent lives until the American people take matters into their own hands. Hopefully enough thinking people will do just that, in the upcoming election. As for now Kasich, Bush, Graham and the other PC Republicans can go to hell!
The ruling class, their talking head advisors and those in charge cannot stand the fact that they may lose their control over the country, our tax money and the cookie jar will be rested from their grasp. Karl Rove, Joe Trippi and all the rest should be forever unemployed! As for our feckless, lying, cheating Governor, she can suffer the same fate, and fade into obscurity forever!
Report tonight from FBI: The San Bernadino terrorists had “unusual” photos of a local school on their cell phones! Why?
hey had no children in school. How are those of you going to feel when many children are murdered by the Terrorist you want to open our Country to? How many innocent children murdered, are you willing to accept?
i have been making that argument for years except i want more control over assault weapons, school massacres have been a way of life in america for more than a decade now, so you are just becoming hot and bothered because muslims might get into the action too?
Cali has “assault weapon” and magazine bans and has had them for years. As I understand it, if you have an AR or AK with the requsite 10rd or less magazine, you aldo have to navigate a stupid “bullet button” which requires using the point of a bullet or like object begore you can remove the magazine.
Geeze, I am grateful that these laws were in place or a lot of people might have been killed and injured in San Bernadino…, OH WAIT!
i want ars and aks illegal, hell i’m for government buy back from the owners and give them to arm our allies fighting for their and our agenda, there are some pretty sweet killing machines sitting in gun closets in america.
Yeah, let’s disarm the American citizen. Then the Jihadist can kill like shooting fish in a barrel. The guns used in California should have never fallen into the Muslim hands! The one used in the attempted killing, by the Muslim in Texas, was illegal everywhere and the one Used to kill Military Recruiters in Tennessee was also illegal everywhere! The report of where the came from (smuggled) by the Muslims was squashed! Why? They were smuggled across our borders? In a Diplomatic package? What was their origin and why not reported? Why was their origin covered up? Maybe it did not firt the Administration anti gun agenda? After aall they have been cooking the books on the Economy, successes against ISIS in the Middle East (a la Viet Nam thanks to LBJ). Same old lies and cover ups to the American people!
cut and copy where i said americans should be disarmed. little silly silly dinki boy you have bitten off more than you can chew. be an excuse for a republican toy. oh shit i’m getting poetic.
Maybe poetic, definitely a feckless fool!
feckless is on of my favorite words, your hubris takes away any sting of your using it on me
Pipe bombs are also illegal in every State; but, the terrorist in San Berdino had a truck load and a bomb factory set up in their garage!!! Wake up dummies!
if i had to wake up to you, please find a vet to put me to sleep
I’m sure there are many Muslims, or Obummer’s illegal Felons, who would be more than happy to accommodate you and grant you the big sleep. You will probably enjoy your Eternal accommodation in HELL with all of your Jihadi and Felonious friends.
I wasn’t around for the shooting in California though. I might have easy access to guns, but so do potential shooters.
No, actually in CA, you don’t. Carry permits have become increasingly difficult for the average citizen in CA to obtain. CA did away eith their (pretty much pointless) open carry law which allowed citizens to open carry but required that their gun be unloaded.
Even if there might have been armed citizens around, this shooting, as with almost all such incidents, occurred in a Gun Free Zone. Government buildings in almost all areas that allow some form of citizen carry, are designated Gun Free Zones. As with all similar cases before, we see how well the GFZ designation prevented tragedy and protected citizens.
Bottom Line: As usual, you are totally wrong, again.
What about this guy?
http://www.krdo.com/news/video-robert-dears-courtroom-outbursts/36884368
Every now and then a nut job Christian.
Daily Muslim Jihadist murderers, EVERYDAY!!!
The one Muslim who was never fully or properly vetted is our sitting president and look what that did to our country!
Layout end early?
Surely you’re not trying to make the case that there’s some broad-based threat from radical Christian fundamentalists, are you? Statistically, they are a drop in the bucket (especially if you look worldwide) compared to radical Islamists. Go tear a picture of the Pope on national TV and you get famous. Draw Muhammad and get stabbed (or shot, dependent upon what town you’re in).
First, we are at war with ISIS. They have a self proclaimed Caliphate the size of Indiana and wanting to expand. Mr. Trump is thinking rightly as history and common sense will show. During WWII should Roosevelt have let #$%$anese, German and Italians, enter the country? Of course not. Why are we allowing it now? The latest attack would NOT have happened had we been following the Trump prescription. Good Muslim-Bad Muslim? Good #$%$ or bad
We were actually at war with those countries, that’s why it was called a world war. We are not at war with Islam, or even at war with a significant Islamic state. We are fighting a bunch of cults in the desert we had a hand in creating in the first place. Why punish hundreds of millions over the actions of a few thousand? What does a Muslim in Algeria have to do with ISIS?
Those outbursts, I’ve heard them before… Sounds like Flip.
Any any of a dozen of his characters.
This is so serious…..people will notice once these jihadies start raping, shooting and blowing places up….Remember obama brought them in…..
“Truman vaporized two Japanese cities faced with Japan’s declaration of a bloody “house to house” death to the last man standing”
From memory, in a book about General Joseph “Vinegar Joe” Stillwell, there is an exchange between Stillwell and Chinese Warlords —-
When the Japanese were pushing the Chinese back further and further but refused to call it retreating, Stillwell asked what were the Warlords going to do when they could go no further, and a Warlord answered something like, “We will fight to the last coolie, and then we must surrender.”
The time has come to return to the strategy of President Truman and face reality. If we really want to destroy ISIS and set an example for other radical Muslims and the Putins of the world to fear us and leave us in peace, we must use the tools that can do this. Put simply, we should employ tactical nuclear weapons to wipe out the enemy. We cannot worry that Islamic civilians will be killed in the process. In the end this strategy, as was true of the Japanese in World War II, saves not just American but Muslim lives as well.
Here Here!!!!!!
+1000
#glasskebab
As Flag-Ripping-Nikki Haley frantically tried to rip crow feathers from her mouth and told Will Folks—I’ve got a beautiful bod
She fumed…sure I stabbed conservatives like I-Lie-To-Cons-Joe Wilson but I’m PC—by the way…just who is this…God ???
I think most Republicans understands that Trump wants to bring this issue up for debate. There will never be a permanent ban on Muslims, but the vetting process for Muslims coming into this country should be strengthened
It has already been brought to light that the Muslim woman involved in the San Bernardino shooting was not completely vetted. I think that is what most Americans want, just some effort into vetting the people coming into this country from Muslim countries.
Trump has put the issue on the table and it must be debated and some arrangements made to do a better job of vetting these people.
If Trump had not entered the race and been brazen enough to say what a lot of America thinks, the news media and the other candidates would not be talking about this.
I don’t know, yet, if I will vote for Trump, but I definitely do thank him for controlling the topics and forcing others to follow suit.
“I don’t know, yet, if I will vote for Trump..”
That’s the way I feel, and when you speak of bringing the issue up for debate, people go non-linear and accuse you of banning or restricting all Muslim Immigration, forever. That is not he said and not what I support. I support having a debate on the issue and find out how we can better screen these people, because there is a serious problem with terrorism among that population.
Aristotelian logic does not prevail here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s570OpuW04
Teflon Trump!
Couldn’t agree more. Trump is right about Muslims.Their Ideology of who they are is completely opposite of Christian values and Constitutional rights. They really have NO business coming here other than to cause mischief and pervert our way of living.
Say that to the over 5,000 Muslims currently protecting YOUR ass in the US military. Say that to their families.
If you actually paid attention, you would have seen a few interviews since with Trump where he specifically states that military service members would be excluded. As for the number of Muslims, it is self-reporting based on what would constitute a proper burial in the case of death, not necessarily the religion they actively practice. Regardless, absolutely no one is turning down Muslims who want to fight for us against extremists in their own religion that pose a threat to our way of life.
I did pay attention. And, I did read that. Do you think that pathetic after-thought is going to make a difference to those men & women?
And, BTW, I was specifically commenting on this line from flip, “Their Ideology of who they are is completely opposite of Christian values and Constitutional rights. They really have NO business coming here other than to cause mischief and pervert our way of living.” What a slap in the face to Muslim servicemen & women.
Once again Donald Trump is correct and his detractors are wrong. For one example Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering this country and further deported thousands of Iranian who were students. During the Iranian hostage crisis. No one ever said a word. Maybe because he is/was a democrat. Furthermore, the Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That law remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.” This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House and evidently by congress. Right along with it it seems, when it comes to Donald Trump’s statement, the investigative press.
Apples & oranges.He banned Iranians, not an entire faith, goober.
Again I ask if you are willing to tell the 5,000 Muslims in the US military that they have no values and are here merely to cause mischief while they dodge bullets for your pathetic ass?
Or Muslim diplomates. Muslim businessmen. Muslim Moms and Dads who go to visit family relatives in India.
Why the name calling? You support terrorists and I don’t.We just disagree.
It’s not a slap in the face if it doesn’t apply to them. They should support that extremist elements are being weeded, not content with the status quo because they want to make themselves part of the victim class.
Huh? It absolutely applies to them as Muslims. Trump isn’t talking about weeding out. He’s calling for a full out ban.
Yes, until they can be properly vetted. Again, these service members are already citizens and residents of this country, how the hell does an immigration ban apply to them?
Trumps plan MIGHT stop this stuff…
2 Afghan Trainees Missing from US Base
Voice of America? – 14 hours ago
An Afghan army soldier training at a U.S. base in Massachusetts disappeared in January …
Most of you are pussies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux1o7F5oEb4
The more the Establishment hates Trump the more I like him.
Trump has the GUTS to speak the TRUE when no one else doesn’t but they sure think it . TRUMP speaks what he thinks without it crossing he ‘s mind. It’s going to get him in deep trouble but doesn’t care either Everyone should have FREEDOM of SPEECH without worrying about what comes out of their mouths.Trump has his own opinion and he SPEAKS IT like it is RIGHT OR WRONG
That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences for what you say.
Nobody said it did. I believe the one you are responding to specifically said “It’s going to get him in deep trouble”.
“Everyone should have FREEDOM of SPEECH without worrying about what comes out of their mouths.”
That IS the liberal mantra.They get pissed as hell when somebody on the other side speaks the truth.
Stupidiest?
Barack Obama:
“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Obama said, resorting to an uncharacteristically flip analogy.
Barack Obama:
Obama responded. “What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.”
uh oh…YESTERDAY…
Obama’s Defense Secretary Admits: ISIS Is Not Contained
Town Hall? – 2 hours ago
John McCain and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter at Wednesday’s Senate Armed Services …
The more the Establishment hates Trump the more I like the Establishment. ;-)
I doubted it at first but I now firmly believe that trump will be the Republican nominee and most likely the next POTUS.
Without Mr. Trump in this race no one would be talking about securing the boarders or controlling our immigration programs who do little to vet people who come from countries who wish to do us harm. We have a President who wants to take in 10’s of thousands of refugee’s (mostly single men) who ISIL has successfully infiltrated to cause havoc in western countries. I say you go Trump and lets have real discussions on the issues.
Sometimes Trump’s presentation gets in the way of good ideas, too bad some people don’t realize that.
We’re not in Wonderland anymore Alice.
The real strong have no need to prove it to the phonies.
Putin,”hopefully nukes will not be needed.” https://www.rt.com/news/325178-putin-nukes-missiles-isis/
The way out of a room is not through the door. Just don’t want out. And you’re free…
Atomic Armageddon: 3 minutes to midnight. https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/324941-nuclear-cold-war-us/
Full Quote:
“Naturally, this is not necessary when fighting terrorists and, I hope, will never be needed,”
Give him a break, he’s still learning those big words.
You 2 freaks are not even in my class.
The establishment republicans have been using the less educated whites over the years from the Southern Strategy, through the Christian Coalition and the Silent Majority, and currently with the Teaparty. The country watched as the repubs had fits during the Clinton presidency. But that was mild compared to how they became completely unhinged during the Obama presidency. Now they can’t figure out how to get their base back because Trump, who is actually taking a fascist tack, has captured it.
It could not have happened to better bunch of assholes.
I can hardly wait for Saturday, February 20th to roll around and witness the SC Republican Party vote for Trump to be the party’s nominee for President.
Say what? Freeloaders vote Democrat:
81% of Democrat voters get housing assistance
74% are on Medicaid
67% on Food stamps
http://rare.us/story/81-of-people-receiving-public-housing-benefits-vote-democratic-and-thats-just-the-tip-of-the-handout-iceberg/
It says 81% of people getting housing assistance vote Democrat. Get it together idiot.
I get the point, but I doubt that 81% of those who get housing assistance even bother to vote.
Trump is a creation of liberalism. Thanks to unrelenting demands by the left for increasingly preposterous levels of political correctness over the past decade under Obama, people are simply fed up. Trump thrives because he is seen as the antidote, bravely exposing and defeating political correctness.
The new version of you is at least somewhat tolerable.
It’s ealy on – give it time.
Corrections of ThreePalms
The establishment
republicansDemocrats have been using the less educatedwhitesblacks over the years from theSouthern Strategy, through the Christian Coalition and the Silent Majority, and currently with the TeapartyRainbow coalition, reparations movement, Occupy Wall street, and currently with the Black lives matter……Weak, very weak. The Southern Strategy was real. Republicans demonizing black people and fanning white fear of black people in order to get votes did happen and in a lot of places still is. I don’t agree with everything ThreePalms said. You are correct that there is no difference between the Rainbow coalition, Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party, and the Christian Coalition other than political ideology. They were all originally get out the vote efforts. The Tea Party just got out of Republican Party control and now has a life of its own.
But I think the Southern Strategy is not the same. It was reprehensible.
When even the PM of Israel thinks you’ve gone too far in your stance on Muslims, it may be time to re-evaluate.
“Woah woah woah, I hate Iranians as much as the next guy, but slow down Adolph Trump!”
Or cancel your trip.
The Washington elite are just as effective at fighting Trump as they are at fighting terrorism, drug cartels, and insurance companies.
The Muslims so-called peaceful part of Islam have not helped us at all in stopping or pointing out who are the radicals, its been 14 years and all they do is say they’re peaceful, they are part of the problem. Trump is correct and he seems to be the only person other than a couple others that understands that.Trump is demanding Americans protection , above all else. The government, is demanding , Americans to lay down their lives in order to protect Muslims!!!
On Monday, vandals targeted a mosque in Pflugerville, Texas, tearing up a Quran and covering it in feces.
Meanwhile, police say a mosque in Ontario, Canada, was deliberately set on fire Sunday evening.
http://newsthump.com/2015/12/09/native-americans-call-for-ban-on-christians-entering-the-us/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
Native Americans have controversially called for a complete ban on Christians of any denomination entering the US until representatives can ‘figure out what the hell is going on.’
Your love affair with Muslim terrorists reminds me of the brainwashing of Patty Hearst by the terrorist group SLA.
Pretty fitting that you think the same way. That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read and a complete fail in trying to make a logical comparison.
Lighten up, Francis. It’s called satire.
Yes, I’m obviously aware it is or at least pretends to be. Satire should be both funny and pointed. This is neither.
Opinions are like assholes…
Sounds like a Grand Tango wannabe to me. I did my best to get that menace out of here. Please don’t start arguing in the manner he did.
Liberals/RINO’s vision for America, the European model. No-go Sharia law zones and Obama’s favorite sound, the daily call to prayer. Buffoons!
“Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Federal Law and Jimmy Carter did it in 1979.
Yes. With Iranians. Not an entire faith.
Yes, a distinction without a legal difference. Funny how you are ok with one form of “discrimination” but not another.
Islam is NOT a faith.It has been perverted into an ideology ie…Sharia Law
Only by a few. It’s a faith. A large percentage of Bosnians are Muslims, who embrace democracy and not Sharia. And Croatians. Muslims in India. You paint with a rather large brush sir.
Such a tolerant group these muslim countries and Liberals are,… BTW, who is doing all the KILLING ?
Who is doing all the GANG RAPING ?
Who is doing all the Acts of Barbarism ?
Are Christians allowed to be Christian in their countries ?
Why no concern over the Christians being murdered ?
This is why TRUMP is RIGHT and THEY are WRONG !!!
Who’s doing all the killing? – Guess it depends where you’re standing. If you’re standing in Raqqa you’d probably say Coalition aircraft. And that’s fine with me.
Christians are free to be Christians in many ME countries. Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, Iraq (used to be in Syria), Iran, etc. Stop painting an entire religion based on 50,000 nuts in the Euphrates Valley.
Iran?
Shia Islam is the official religion and all laws must be consistent with the official interpretation of Sharia law. According to the Iranian state, only Armenians and Assyrians can be Christian. Ethnic Persians are by definition Muslim, and ethnic Persian Christians are considered apostates. This makes almost all Christian activity illegal, especially when it occurs in Persian languages – from evangelism to Bible training, to publishing Scripture and Christian books or preaching in Farsi. In 2014, at least 75 Christians were arrested. More Christians were sentenced to prison and pressure on those detained increased, including physical and mental abuse.
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/iran/
The main Christian churches are:
Armenian Apostolic Church of Iran (between 110,000, 250,000, and 300,000 adherents)
Assyrian Church of the East of Iran (about 11,000 – 20,000 adherents)
Chaldean Catholic Church of Iran (about 7,000 Assyrian adherents)
Persian Apostolic Church of the East
Roman Catholic Church of Iran (about 21,380 adherents)
various other denominations, some examples are:
Presbyterian, including the Assyrian Evangelical Church
Pentecostal, including the Assyrian Pentecostal Church
Jama’at-e Rabbani (the Iranian Assemblies of God churches)
and the Anglican Diocese of Iran.
The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods), representation in parliament, special family law etc
Christianity is reportedly the fastest growing religion in Iran with an average annual rate of 5.2%, and it remains the second-largest non-Muslim minority religion in the country.
Next?
Persecution of Christians in Iran is as bad as it was three years ago, in spite of the pre-election promises of the president, according to a new report.
Christians continue to be arbitrarily arrested and interrogated because of their faith. Some face “severe physical and psychological torture” during detention, and simple prayer or Bible study meetings are regarded as political activities that threaten the national security of Iran,the report says.
Churches can be closed down if they use the national language, Farsi, and Christians are regularly given long prison sentences and beatings. The worst punishments are reserved for those who convert to Christianity from Islam, when they are caught gathering in their informal house churches, and for their faith.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/iran.persecution.of.christians.as.bad.as.ever.despite.presidents.promises/49742.htm
You keep citing these sources. This one is an evangelical organization – and I will grant you, they don’t look kindly on evangelicals. But they’re not persecuting Catholics and others who are not the in business of running around trying to converty Muslims to be Born Again.
We see the sickening things that the Muslim/ Islamic State do to people.
We know that the Muslim “refugees” are escaping hell, but dragging hell along with them. We know that the Muslim/ Islamic State promised to flood Europe with jihadis.
We can also see that the vast majority coming are
young and able-bodied men of fighting age. I just don’t believe
that the traitors from within can be this stupid,
Trump has identified the problem and will stop it from coming to America.
Keep em out.
You talking about Syrian refugees or Muslims. If you’re talking Muslims, that’s now who we are. We don’t attack religions. Ask Paul Ryan, he’s already said it well enough.
Open Doors USA – “Open Doors USA is a non-profit organization focused on serving persecuted Christians in more than 60 countries”
A great cause, but hardly an objective source.
Not peace loving like us.
“On Monday, vandals targeted a mosque in Pflugerville, Texas, tearing up a Quran and covering it in feces.” now that had to be Tango.
Meanwhile, police say a mosque in Ontario, Canada, was deliberately set on fire Sunday evening.
Christianity is a genocidal cult.
Indeed!
Yes. This says a lot about the Republican Base… Un-American Fascists. The Republican Party no longer represents the values of the United States of America, which is why they are going to continue to lose Presidential elections.
THE ideology of Islam together with the Third Reich in North Africa established the NAZI-MUSLIM HEGEMONY IN WW2 & IT is still very much here today.
Obama has tried to recreate another ‘perfect storm’. Trump has exposed it.
Humanitarianism v. National security
You decide voters!