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Emily Conrad: What China Wants

“DISPATCHES FROM A BLOND IN BEIJING” || By EMILY CONRAD || Beijing is perhaps the safest place to live during times of global insecurity.  At every metro station, in times of anxiety and peace alike, every traveler must go through a security check.  At the train station, there are tall platforms manned by…

“DISPATCHES FROM A BLOND IN BEIJING”

emily conrad|| By EMILY CONRAD || Beijing is perhaps the safest place to live during times of global insecurity.  At every metro station, in times of anxiety and peace alike, every traveler must go through a security check.  At the train station, there are tall platforms manned by soldiers with automatic weapons to maintain order. Police and “citizen watchdogs” seem to be on every street corner, the latter wearing yellow armbands with red Chinese characters over their everyday clothes. Sometimes during more politically sensitive times, like before the military parade in September, all hazardous materials are banned from sale, including kitchen knives.  The acceptance of refugees is a foreign concept; it is difficult enough for university-educated foreigners to make their way into the Middle Kingdom.

If one really analyzes any Beijing street scene, one would doubtlessly see security cameras.  Moreover, it is widely accepted among the Chinese population that all of their communication can be monitored – for the sake of security, of course.

In August I arrived in Beijing to begin a year of graduate studies in international relations at Tsinghua University as a Chinese Government Scholarship recipient. My experience living and studying here has challenged truths which I formerly believed were self-evident.  As an American, I have been raised to treasure rights and liberties above all else.  I was taught that a bad government was one that undermined the individual.  However, now living under a communist government with limited rights, I am surprised that I do not feel restricted or in an unsafe environment.  This discrepancy between what I believe about government and what I am currently experiencing is prevalent among many westerners in China.  It is also the key to understanding one of the greatest desires of the Chinese Communist Party.  It wants the West, particularly the United States, to recognize the legitimacy of its government and economic model.  Alternatively, most Westerners view the communist form of government as a flawed system which must be changed in order to allow the country’s own citizens to prosper.

Geographical region, culture, and religion aside, the ultimate purpose of any government should be to organize a society so that it functions better than it would otherwise function on its own.  Despite vast political differences, most can agree on the following (except for the supporters of anarchy): A good government should create a rule of law that creates a peaceful and harmonious society, diminishing criminal behavior.  A good government should protect its borders and the citizens therein through defense and military.  A good government should create an economic atmosphere conducive to development and growth.

In other words, the purpose of a government is to “do good.”

Past these core functions, people differ on their opinions of government, leading to intense political debate.  Some believe that individual rights and liberty should supersede all else and advocate limited government interference, allowing capitalistic market forces to run their course, even if it creates what we refer to in economics as negative externalities.  Others believe that the government needs to take a guiding role in developing social infrastructure – developing such institutions as an education system, a health care system, and an interstate transportation system.  These people believe that when the free market is the sole actor in the social infrastructure, there are winners and losers, which ultimately does not contribute to long-term growth.  Then, there are those who believe in strong government involvement and that the government apparatus must be actively engaged to create a better society.

The definitions of a better society vary between country and culture – from sharia law in the Arab World to laws dictating the behavior of individuals and private businesses in the United States.

The question thus becomes, can we clearly define a “good government” from a “bad government?”  In the West, we are inclined to believe that all democracies are good and all socialist or communist countries are bad.  Yet, there are clearly exceptions to this rule.  Venezuela was one of the most stable democracies in the world when Hugo Chavez rose to power in 1998 – and the country still remains, at least nominally, a democracy.  Instead of judging countries on their nominal government type, the Chinese would argue that it might be helpful to analyze countries instead by how well they achieve their function of domestic lawfulness, international security, and economic prosperity.

China has done well on all of these accounts, particularly with economic prosperity. In 1979, President Deng Xiaoping began the slow process of China’s opening to the West and embrace of capitalism. The transition was spurred by two separate philosophies:

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It doesn’t matter if it is a black cat or a white cat, as long as the cat is good at catching mice.” This quote was the justification for transitioning to a market economy under communist rules.

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Cross the river by feeling the stones.” This quote expressed China’s intention to implement market reforms slowly, by testing them out first and not introducing them before the country was ready. The capitalistic market reforms conducted by both of these strategies have led to Chinese gross domestic product (GDP) rising at an average rate of 10 percent per year since 1979 and over 679 million people lifted out of poverty. China often refers to itself as having “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” not as a socialist country, in order to incorporate its unique blend of capitalism.

I recently attended a roundtable discussion with prominent Western and Chinese scholars following Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to the United States. During this event, the Chinese admitted their frustration with the United States’ continued desire that China adopt a more democratic system, the root of which they believed was a lack of respect for what their current system under the Chinese Communist Party has achieved. Would democracy have served China better in its past history? There is really no way of knowing. Would democracy serve China better in the future? This is likewise a question that I have difficulty answering. Chinese citizens do not have an understanding of democratic culture or what it means to vote, making any sort of hypothetical transition unstable.

Regardless of your opinions on different types of governance, in a world where China is gaining more and more power in the international sphere, it is important to understand what the Chinese want. The Chinese want their government and economic system to be legitimized through western approval. While this may seem like an easy enough concession for the West, to do this could potentially come at a high price.

If the United States was to ever recognize China’s system as legitimate, it would possibly alter the world order by delegitimizing the democratic, capitalistic system that the United States has been actively promoting. In order to make sure that this does not happen, we need to be absolutely certain that our form of democracy can compete and provide the world’s citizens with just as good, if not better, economic opportunities than the Chinese system. Is the United States ready for this sort of challenge? Whether it currently is or not, we need to be ready when the time is right. Our elected officials should already be thinking strategically about the future and how our values of democratic, individual rights will be able to compete internationally.

Emily Conrad works in communications for an international textile firm in Spartanburg, S.C. A Phi Beta Kappa Wofford College graduate, she is the founder of book blog, Global Book Challenge.  If you have any questions about China you would like to ask her, please send them to Will Folks (email here) – who will forward them as appropriate and as time permits.

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84 comments

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Let me muse on this: Wofford College + beautiful, sexy females + Fitsnews = Shifty Henry’s attention

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:04 pm

I never got past the picture. Killer B’s!!!!!

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:14 pm

Rocky, right at this moment I’m fantasizing about Mrs. Rocky’s nipples…..

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:15 pm

Hey ——- you know – they ain’t German!!!

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:15 pm

No wait, let me repost. RIght now I’m playin’ with ’em.

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:19 pm

DAD GUM — behave yourself!

Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:21 pm

OK, gotta get back to work. The real kind. Stay classy, and if not, stay sassy!!!

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:29 pm

“There’s an extraordinary difference between a beautiful nipple and a dull one.” —– (Norman Mailer)

“… he twisted my nipples as though tuning a radio. —– (Kinflicks)

What part of a woman is her “now”? I only ask because II hear that everybody’s “kissing her now.” —– (Anon)

Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm

What’s the deal with all these people posting about China and politics. Hot chick, enough said.

sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm

From what I’ve seen of her type,she’d probably rate the daily lunch special /pole dance/$1.00 bar brand at any GSP/Columbia/Charleston area “Gentlemen’s Club” (at best)…..

sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm

“There is no such thing as a dull nipple if it is erect”—(Sparklecity)

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 11:20 pm

I’ve seen dormant ones which are like deflated, and ‘innies’, but only one breast had them; one girl with two nipples on one breast, with one being dormant (flat); and one girl with a small third breast in the middle, which she had removed at age 18……

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:31 pm

Just from curiosity, Rocky, does she have names for them?

Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 4:24 pm

No. I just know them as left and right.

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 7:11 pm

Mrs. Rocky just called me. She likes the idea of naming her lovely breasts. To start with, when she needs to scold you for some omission or transgression, they will be “Thelma” and “Louise.”

Rocky Verdad December 2, 2015 at 10:32 am

Cool.

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Busts and bosoms have I known
of various shapes and sizes,

From grievous disappointments
to jubilant surprises!

sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 10:29 pm

Well put sir…..

Tazmaniac December 1, 2015 at 4:34 pm

I think see ought to stick with pictorials and leave the writing to the grown ups.

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sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 10:56 pm

Honestly, haven’t seen her type (including Taylor Brown) here in Spartanburg for quite some time……
Seen a few Converse “lezzies” sucking face at Hickory Tavern on the eastside but that’s about it……..(not a bad visual at all…)

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TroubleBaby December 1, 2015 at 1:07 pm

“we need to be absolutely certain that our form of democracy can compete and provide the world’s citizens with just as good, if not better, economic opportunities than the Chinese system.”

There’s only one thing that can provide “economic opportunities”:

The Free Market

It doesn’t matter what form of governance takes place if it restricts or represses free market activities that do not violate the non-aggression principle and do not violate or damage property.

“our form of democracy” as you put it, is a constitutional republic characterized by the domination of two political parties that vary little in their actual policy making.

The Chinese call their government the “People’s Republic of China”, and ironically instead of two parties that control their government, they have one: The Communist Party.

In the end, it doesn’t matter what governments label themselves, it only matters what degree of freedom exists in markets to deliver the advancement of humanity and quality of life.

Overall I do like your write up Ms Conrad, I hope your experience continues to push your world view into new thoughts/areas.

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Comparing Freedoms December 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm

What constitutes a violation of the non-aggression principle? Are predatory businesses considered aggressors? Do companies that pollute the air so badly people move from complaining about environmental concerns to complaining about health concerns violate this principle? If an employer threatens you with unemployment for not exposing yourself to mortal danger, are you being coerced?

I just ask because just about every libertarian I’ve ever talked to defends all of those things, at least when they are not being perpetrated by a government.

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TroubleBaby December 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm

“Are predatory businesses considered aggressors?”

You weren’t specific here, I’ll move on.

“Do companies that pollute the air so badly people move from complaining about environmental concerns to complaining about health concerns violate this principle?”

Yes they violate the NAP, that is a “property rights” issue. If a company pollutes the air to the degree that your neighbors suffer for it, then that should be actionable in court. But because the US gov’t is now fascist/crony capitalist, they get the EPA to help avoid litigation and instead fleece the taxpayers to clean up messes made by NAP violating businesses.

” If an employer threatens you with unemployment for not exposing yourself to mortal danger, are you being coerced?”

You are not being “coerced” because the company gave you a job voluntarily, & you took the job voluntarily. Now, if you signed a contract with them that said your job responsibilities were “x” and the company agreed, but then asked you to do something outside of that contract that would/should be legally actionable.

So in summary, if there is no agreement and the employee voluntarily accepted employment that was voluntarily offered by a company and lost his job because he decided what the company asked him/her to do wasn’t worth the risk, that ISN’T a NAP violation.

“I just ask because just about every libertarian I’ve ever talked to defends all of those things”

You need to read up on what a libertarian “is” before deciding who/what is libertarian rather than taking their word on anything. Two good places to start:

http://mises.org/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/

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jimlewisowb December 1, 2015 at 1:09 pm

In the 60’s, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:09 pm

Dang, you need to copy right that.

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TroubleBaby December 1, 2015 at 1:10 pm

“people take Prozac to make it normal”

I always thought that people took Prozac not to make it “normal”, but to cope with the weirdness.

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9" December 1, 2015 at 1:40 pm

I quit doing drugs so I could enjoy my brain damage.

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 1:45 pm

funny..!!

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 1:11 pm

Hey, Will posted his email address. He’s certainly more accessible than that Hillary Clinton chick was to the embassy staffs.

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Off Subject: Can anybody tell me what this means in a text message — “sino”? For several days I’ve been getting(1st) calls from a “RESTRICTED” caller who can’t leave a message because my mailbox is full, and (2nd) now he is texting the same message four times — “Bro, call me really soon sino”. The number is from a town west of Atlanta. Thanks…..

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Rocky Verdad December 2, 2015 at 10:35 am

The majority of my texts say “Where are you” – “Are you here yet” – “Can I stay at my friends until 11?” So I got no idea.

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shifty henry December 2, 2015 at 10:51 am

Thanks for replying — now I’ll have to ask my Grand-kids what is “sino” in a text message.

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The Buzzman December 1, 2015 at 1:52 pm

“It doesn’t matter if it is a black cat or a white cat, as long as the cat is good at catching mice.”

The corollary premise being that both black cats and white cats are pink on the inside, and with the right sauce they taste like chicken.

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pogo December 1, 2015 at 1:55 pm

It does matter whether it is a black cat or a white cat to racists like me! LMAO!!!! LMAO!!!

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erneba December 1, 2015 at 2:16 pm

“If the United States was to ever recognize
China’s system as legitimate, it would possibly alter the world order
by delegitimizing the democratic, capitalistic system that the United
States has been actively promoting.”

Don’t worry, the current Obama administration has done more to delegitimize our form of government and economic system than a billion Chinese invading the West Coast.
The two terms of Obama and then two terms of Hillary Clinton should have us well on the way to marching in political and economic lock-step with your far east socialistic Utopia.

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The Colonel December 1, 2015 at 2:18 pm

“…If the United States was to ever recognize China’s system as legitimate…”

Question, do we have an embassy there? Why yes, yes we do – ipso facto, we recognize their “system” as legitimate – however, the question is not one of legitimacy, it is one of liberty.

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 4:23 pm

Oh, oh, oh. Another spiffy comment. “The question is not one of legitimacy, it is one of liberty.” Copyright that one.

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Tazmaniac December 1, 2015 at 4:32 pm

Makes you wonder if the author has ever visited “housed labor factories” ie enslaved labor camps or environmental areas that make our super fund sites look kind of petty? If she has, she is in full denial mode. That safe feeling from armed jackboots everywhere is disturbing.

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The Colonel December 1, 2015 at 4:42 pm

The naivete – It’s rather stunning isn’t it?

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David December 1, 2015 at 3:17 pm

Written by someone who knows The State will be reading it.

She’s already brainwashed, they don’t have dissent because they kill everyone who dissents.

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Kung Pao Banker December 1, 2015 at 3:54 pm

We, the United States, borrow money from them, the Chinese. That pretty much sums it up.

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Rocky Verdad December 1, 2015 at 5:27 pm

Man, they must be scared to death of Trump. He defaults all the time.

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sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Not to mention lying 100% of the time………..

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shifty henry December 2, 2015 at 1:05 am

…. voids where prohibited

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Bible Thumper December 1, 2015 at 5:30 pm

No one is willing to lend to them. Loans to the US have the lowest interest rate. That is because we are the safest creditor. That pretty much sums it up.

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E Norma Scok December 1, 2015 at 6:26 pm

When a man owes a bank a million $$, the bank owns him. When a man owes a bank 100 million $$, he owns the bank.

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Bible Thumper December 1, 2015 at 6:05 pm

I’m not going to say democracy always works with every nation at every time. It has failed in Egypt. Iraq and Afghanistan are on life support provided by the US and others. The Konrad Adenauer succeeded where the Weimar republic failed in Germany.

Other Nations have had had fairly smooth transitions from oppressive governments to democracy like South Korea and Taiwan. China may do the same. It may be their economies and institutions had not matured enough earlier to support a democracy. Many Latin American countries are struggling with the transition. Mexico is one of the most democratic Latin American countries, yet it struggles with corruption and violence.
——— That Said. ———

Emily, you need to deepen your historical perspective. Read some of the glowing reports that came from Americans who visited the Soviet Union (before 1939) and Nazi Germany during the early 1930’s. They sound very reminiscent to your writing.
Your opinion of China might change if:
you didn’t have the right to leave,
you could not decide how many children you want,
your second child could not go to school or get a job,
you lived in a rural area and was not allowed to get legal housing in a city, and was forced to live in an illegal slum to get employment.

“I am surprised that I do not feel restricted or in an unsafe environment.”
Try wearing a sweat shirt that says “Jesus Saves” on it.
Try protesting against “re-education” camps.
Try putting a Cross on a church steeple.
Go to the library and get an accurate history of the Cultural Revolution.
Try meeting dissidents.

You may say that you don’t miss any of those things. You say “I can live without them.” But is it right that anyone should have to. China has expanded freedoms and the majority may be satisfied, but the more educated they become, the more freedoms they will demand.

There is crushing poverty in China, but you may not have access to those areas. The press is not free in China to report the problems. You feel safe because crime is not reported as often on the news. That’s all you see in the US press. China doesn’t allow many to move to or from China, but when given the opportunity they want to go Hong Kong, Britain or the US.

I’m not concerned about China out competing us. It will never happen unless America gives up its democratic/constitutional free-market system. China’s reforms will only get them so far.

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sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 10:38 pm

She’s the future……….get over it…….
You’ve just wasted 10-15 minutes of your time……..

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Bible Thumper December 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm

She is the future? Maybe. She is definitely the past. We forget, there were many more communists in early decades of the twentieth century than there are now.

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sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 11:12 pm

As I’ve posted before, sadly you have your head up your ass on so many levels when it comes to contemporary matters/history (it gives me no pleasure in posting that, BTW…..)
Dream on if you wish but yours is a pipe dream (at best)………..

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Bible Thumper December 1, 2015 at 11:23 pm

Your are one of those old pessimistic farts that think everything was better in the past. The world is going to “hell in a hand basket”. You enjoy complaining all the time.

“Coaches use to be loyal to their institutions, now they are hired guns.” Blah! Blah! Blah! The world is not a worse place. You’re just older.

Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 8:22 pm

I can’t imagine the vapidity (and/or self-absorption) that could lead someone to spend a carefree year in China as an international student on a government-funded scholarship and utter some nonsense about not feeling restricted or unsafe, when most of the Chinese foreign student program is *designed* to produce just the kind of silliness in this op-ed once the recipients ramble on back to their own nations (and their annoying democracies). The lack of self-awareness here is just stunning. Know that many of these students are very closely monitored, and the Chinese government carefully controls their experience. How coincidental that the so many espionage cases begin with visits like this one. Weird…

I will not be asking Sic to forward any questions about China to FITS’ new Asian expert; I’ll just ask them rhetorically here. I wonder if the blond wunderkind had written an op-ed while there which in any way appeared critical of Chinese policy if she would have felt more “restricted.” If she had fallen madly in love with one of her profs and somehow managed to stay to get married, would she have been upset to learn that she could only have one baby? Oh, wait…they’ve added waivers to that program through the years and she isn’t an ethnic Han, but you get the point.

I worry that the young ones in our society are so spoiled and self-impressed that they don’t possess an understanding of what liberty entails. Scary, really.

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 8:41 pm

I’m wondering if she met Chuc Mai Chin, Will’s new Chinese proofreader….

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Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 8:52 pm

No, but her editor (Sum Ting Wong) surely let her down…

Cue the righteous indignation from the humor challenged in 3, 2, 1…

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 8:59 pm

(heh) (heh)….

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 9:08 pm

Mike, has there been any further news about the Chinese plans to establish two new elite golf tournaments in Myrtle Beach —

“THE MASTERS PO” and “THE MASTERS KAN”

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Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 9:29 pm

Sadly, Grasshoppa, no. You can, however, still get kickass bowl of beef chow mein at Lee Ho Fook’s.

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shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 10:07 pm

glad you caught on to it!

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Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 10:16 pm

You kitten me? I loved that show as a wee tot. I want to be an itinerant problem solver when I really retire for good, but I’ll be a little too long in the tooth for all the Kung Fu madness. I’ll go more Edward Woodward’s Equalizer, I think…

sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm

“ol Ed knew how to even the score fer sure…………..
Sadly he met his “Waterloo” at “The Wickerman”………..

Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Ah, but his boys carried the day in “The Final Option.”

https://youtu.be/NUYfDmeAgw8

(Cheesy but highly entertaining early 80’s movie based upon the SAS’ excellent hit on the Iranian Embassy in London)

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Paladin?

Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 11:26 pm

Folks who block the left lane will be the first group I target, and it’ll make mad max look like a golf cart race.

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 11:47 pm

I’m glad you mentioned golf because I’ve got a new one —

A woman playing golf was stung by a bee. Afraid she’d have an allergic reaction, she ran back to the clubhouse to find the pro. Finding him, she says breathlessly, “I’ve been stung by a bee! What shall I do?”

“Where were you stung?” the pro asks.

“Between the first and second hole!”

“Lady, we gotta’ work on your stance.”

shifty henry December 1, 2015 at 11:51 pm

and another new one —–

A man playing on a new golf course got confused as to what hole he was on. He saw a lady playing ahead of him. He walked up to her and asked if she knew what hole he was playing. She replied, “I’m on the 7th hole, and you’re a hole behind me,
so you must be on the 6th hole.” He thanked her and went back to his golf.

On the back nine, the same thing happened, and he approached the lady again with the same request. She said, “I’m on the 14th, you are a hole behind me, so you must be on the 13th.” Once again he thanked her.

He finished his round and went into the club house and saw the lady sitting at the end of the bar. He went up to her and said, “Let me buy you a drink to show my appreciation for your help.” He started a conversation and asked her what kind of work she did. She said she was in sales, and he said he was in sales also. He asked what she sold.

She replied, “If I told you, you would only laugh.”

“No, I wouldn’t,” he said.

She said, “I sell tampons.”

With that he fell on the floor laughing so hard.

She said, “See, I knew you would laugh.”

“That’s not what I’m laughing at,” he replied. “I’m a toilet paper salesman, so I’m STILL one hole behind you!”

sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 11:17 pm

“Send Lawyers, Guns & Money….THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN!!”

Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Some of Zevon’s best lyrics…

Mike at the Beach December 1, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Warren Zevon forever!

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sparklecity December 1, 2015 at 10:35 pm

Well posted……
All’s I can say is let’s have the “big flash” instantly followed by “duck & cover” (for those who remember) and quickly to 1000 years of death and despair where the living will envy the dead and their offspring will curse the past generations for 50 generations or more……….

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Uh huh December 1, 2015 at 11:36 pm

A few points:

China got rid of the “1 baby” policy about a month ago or so.

“Know that many of these students are very closely monitored”

As opposed to mass monitoring here? :)

” I wonder if the blond wunderkind had written an op-ed while there which
in any way appeared critical of Chinese policy if she would have felt
more “restricted.”

Three words: “Free speech zones”

“How coincidental that the so many espionage cases begin with visits like this one. ”

Dude, you might think I’m a China apologist, but I’m really not…but you might think that….

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Mike at the Beach December 4, 2015 at 9:10 am

Not at all. You’ve changed my mind completely; the US is actually governed by a very restrictive and oppressive regime. I’m moving to China, where I can be truly free.

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chaim elijah December 2, 2015 at 12:48 am

They have changed the one child policy in China. Maybe if you stayed current on the news, your ramblings would be more impressive.

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Mike at the Beach December 4, 2015 at 9:06 am

Maybe if you read my little rant more carefully you would have noticed that I mentioned that.

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Jack's dick hand December 1, 2015 at 9:16 pm

Try and speak out against that government and see what happens, idiot.

My God are all young people stupid?

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Uh huh December 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Do you really think it’s that different here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

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Bible Thumper December 1, 2015 at 11:39 pm Reply
Uh huh December 1, 2015 at 11:42 pm

So is that Big T’s neighbor?

You realize that that 2nd link actually talks about emminent domain, right? (even if he’s borderline crazy)

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Bible Thumper December 2, 2015 at 10:03 am

Eminent domain? I’m not sure. I think the lots were rented and the owner chose to sell. The roads may have have been private or at least county owned. I don’t think Haley had anything to do with it other than and inducement deal to create jobs.

Uh huh December 2, 2015 at 9:35 pm

“Eminent domain? I’m not sure. I think the lots were rented and the owner chose to sell.”

Not according to crazy town.

Anyway, it’s funny that you argue that we have freedom of speech(ignoring my post on free speech zones) by linking to US government private property violations.

If crazy town actually tried to walk up and say the things he said on youtube he’d be pepper sprayed, cuffed, & sent off to jail with the possibility of a mental evaluation after a day or two.

Bible Thumper December 2, 2015 at 10:01 pm

Free Speech zones? Call them what you like, but what they really are are public protest areas. Not that I approve of the zones, but protesters are trying to violate conventioners rights by blocking access.
The political parties are taking advantage of court decisions protecting their rights by moving protests as far away as possible. I don’t approve.

Eminent domain? I believe what happened was people like Angry Grandpa put their own trailers on rental lots. The trailers deprecated in price so much that they weren’t worth moving when the owner decided to sell the property to Boeing. So, the land owner ought them for $500.

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Squishy123 December 2, 2015 at 10:54 am

Just another rich girl traveling on daddy’s money and writing about her travels and thinking people give a shit.

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shifty henry December 2, 2015 at 11:17 am

A rich girl traveling on daddy’s money returned home. Her parents asked her what she thought about Red China. She replied, “It looks nice, especially on a blue tablecloth.”

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