… NOT YET, AT LEAST
|| By FITSNEWS || Remember the Zachary Hammond shooting? Of course you don’t …
Hammond was an unarmed white kid shot by the police. Meaning there’s no outrage over his death. Because nobody cares.
#WhiteLivesMatter? Don’t be silly …
One person who does care? Hammond’s mother Angie Hammond. She’s pushing for the release of a dashcam video of her son’s shooting in the hopes it will answer unresolved questions about the incident.
Hammond, 19, was shot and killed on the evening of July 26 in a Hardee’s parking lot by Seneca police officer Mark Tiller … over ten grams of marijuana.
That’s right. An anonymous tip led to the entrapment of Hammond and the subsequent botched drug bust – which resulted in Tiller shooting Hammond twice in the upper torso through the driver’s side window of the latter’s vehicle.
Again … over a bag of weed.
Our sources at the S.C. State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) say the dashcam video will eventually be released – they just don’t know when.
Tiller claims Hammond was driving toward him at the time of the shooting. An attorney for Hammond’s family claims that’s impossible – citing an independent autopsy report which concluded Hammond was shot in the back. It’s believed the dashcam video might clear up this dispute.
Hiller was not wearing a body camera at the time of the shooting.
Whatever the dashcam shows, though, the real issue here is the ridiculousness of America’s War on Drugs – specifically its prohibition against the recreational use of marijuana.
Local police entrapped Zachary Hammond – then they shot and killed him.
Over a friggin’ bag of weed.
Also of interest related to this story? The town of Seneca, S.C. has decided to burden taxpayers by hiring a Greenville, S.C.-based public relations firm – Complete PR – to manage the fallout from the crisis (including responding to media requests).
Hopefully, the FBI, which has agreed to join the investigation, will prevent an all-out cover-up in the shooting.
The FBI and USDOJ both have the tape and refuse to release it also. Not releasing evidence to the public is pretty standard during a criminal investigation.
Except Florida, Sunshine Laws require almost immediate release. Dale Ernhardt’s autopsy was a rare exception.
Funny how FITSNews jumps to the other side, and acts as if no one notices.
FITSNews is the biggest BLM ass kisser out there.
And white lives NEVER have mattered to you Democrats. Acting as if white people matter, will cost you votes that you desperately need to maintain power and feed your greed. Why act like they do?
Glad to see you support shooting kids over dime bags.
It may turn out that the shooting was because of a dime bag and that it was because Hammond was operating his vehicle in a manner that threatened Tiller’s life. That is the purpose of the investigation- To determine everything that happened and why.
Why don’t you start a #whitelivesmatter ?
You don’t even care about white thugs.
Only dumbasses, like Democrats, have to state the obvious.
“Local police entrapped Zachary Hammond” Exactly how did they entrap him? Did they furnish him (or his companion) with the illegal drug? Did LE entice him to go that particular place at that particular time?
I’m sick and tired of hearing about this day after day on the news up here. This guy was on a date with a drug dealer, and he took her to McDonalds and then Hardees? There is more to this story than is being told, and they are right to withhold the tape until the investigation is ended. And I’m sick of the ambulance chasers circling the bodies looking for a huge settlement like the family of that drug-dealing thug in Baltimore.
If you read her statement that the blood sucker released then you will see that her brain is fried. She never explains why they left McDonalds to go to Hardees but they were eating ice cream so that would suggest that they had already eaten. They weren’t meeting friends because there has been no mention of them by the blood sucker. The only logical reason is that they were there to buy drugs. It is not logical to believe that Hammond, who was not known to the officers, picked him at random to execute. So it would stand to reason that Hammond did something to escalate the situation (like almost backing over the officer) and cause him to fire his weapon. Was his fears warranted and did those fears justify hi actions? That is yet to be determined. The ambulance chaser (blood sucker) that the family hired doesn’t really care about the facts. If the officer was wrong then he gets paid. To hedge his bet he is running from media outlet to media outlet telling half truths. His goal is to create a public outcry with his misinformation that will force a civil settlement regardless of what the true facts are. If this officer is cleared he will never work in Law Enforcement again because of the slanderous actions of the blood sucker. He will retire on medical leave (PTSD) and get a meager settlement from the City. He will then be forced to take a menial job to make ends meet and be forever humiliated for doing his job. If he isn’t cleared then he will stand trial and go to jail if he is convicted. Either way the blood sucker makes a quick buck and is off to the next victim.
With all that supposition/assumptions, you need to be on CNN the next time a plane disappears.
That is deductive reasoning. I have been following this since it happened.
Yeh and when this blabber mouth gets arrested by someone”just doing their job?”
First words out of his mouth?
” I want a bloodsucker!”
A defense attorney yes. A blood sucking “I’ll get you paid” ambulance chaser- No!
So, they were selling plants. Number one, who the fuck cares? I sure don’t. Those plants they were selling have never killed anyone in the history of human civilization; the plants the corner store cells wrapped up in rolling papers have killed MILLIONS. The intoxicating liquids the corner stores sell HAVE KILLED MILLIONS. Why aren’t corner store owners, the real drug dealers, being arrested and gunned down in the street?
Number two – Did he deserve to be executed for having a few plant clippings on him?
If you’re a police officer and he’s driving towards you, how about get out of the fucking way and then shoot his car with a stun taser that stops the car from working; yeah, they have those, and local and state police precincts have received hundreds of millions of tax dollars worth of military equipment, such as tanks, machine guns, RPGs, and other ridiculous armaments meant for use in war zones after 9/11 due to terrorism concerns.
Are people who smoke plant clippings, and carry around bags of plant clippings, really a problem in our society? So much so that we need to pay billions of dollars for these blue uniformed state sponsored thugs to shoot first and ask questions later?
This story makes me sick, and the fact that they won’t release the video shows you that they have something to hide. Otherwise, why wouldn’t they just release it? Why hire a P.R. firm with taxpayer money to try to get ahead in the media?
As much as I believe that all lives matter, the media coverage about Zachary’s case would have been off the charts if he were black. That’s just the sad truth. But, what is refreshing here, is that the BlackLivesMatter group were among the first to pressure the police in this case to actually release the tape. They were among the first ones there alerting the media to this grave injustice. They don’t care that he was white; he was an innocent kid who was murdered by police while he was on a date. Sad day for us all.
False statement – No one has ever died from marijuana. Are you dumb enough to expect people to believe that no one has ever gotten high on Marijuana and wrecked their car, killing someone. Smart Ass point- A guy died on September 6th when he choked on a bag of weed.
If you have a problem with cigarettes and alcohol then call your congressman.
If you read the evidence released so far the cop was trying to get out of the way and he was still in danger.
It is the cop’s job to stop the criminal. Tiller is the cop and Hammond is the criminal. You asked why the cop didn’t get the fuck out of the way. Why didn’t Hammond stop the fucking car?
How do you push for the release of the video but not for the release of Hammond’s criminal history?
People get in car wrecks all the time, without drugs and alcohol. Stupid point. Deer cause more car wrecks than marijuana. Should we outlaw deer? Number one intoxicant cause of car wrecks? Alcohol. Perfectly legal. I don’t have a problem with any drugs or drinks — but I’m not someone who is actively arguing FOR prohibition. If someone is actively arguing FOR prohibition, and that person is not in favor of also banning tobacco and alcohol, that person is a gigantic hypocrite, because those two do orders of magnitude more damage, more than all the illegal substances COMBINED – end of subject. I don’t care about his criminal history, especially if he was a juvenile. That shit is irrelevant. Even see a criminal case tried in court, especially a murder case? Most of the time, the judge will specifically deny the jury from hearing about any kind of criminal history from the defendant; only if it’s relevant to the crime they are being charged with currently. Why? Because it’s prejudicial and serves no purpose other than to smear someone. At this point in time, I don’t have any reason to believe Zachary moved his car at all, or attempted to flee, or any of that. Unless there is some neutral witness that is not a LEO who is saying that, and has nothing to gain by telling what happened, I’ll believe it when I see it. If some witness other than LEO has come forward with a statement saying Zachary moved the car, please provide a source.
Dumb ass- You said Marijuana had not killed anyone. I demonstrated to you that it had. When confronted with the facts you decided that the facts don’t matter since they don’t support your views.
You’re a troll…You know what I meant, idiot. I meant that it has never DIRECTLY lead to the death of anyone by itself, unlike other more dangerous substances like alcohol or tobacco.
At least 2 people have died in Denver alone from Marijuana use. How many people have died as the result of diminished motor skills from marijuana use? Germany has studies linking marijuana use to deaths. England has reported marijuana deaths. Three times more drivers that are killed in traffic collisions are found to have marijuana in their systems that a year ago.
BTW, I’ve lived in Colorado, and I currently live in California. People sell weed here legally — there’s a weed shop on every street. They’re doing exactly what Zachary did — without being murdered by the police. So please, take your “drug dealer” and “marijuana is bad mmmkay” talk somewhere else. Washington, Colorado, Oregon, California, Alaska, have all proven that Marijuana is NOT dangerous when consumed by adults. Marijuana prohibition is being stopped, one state at a time. It’s only a matter of time until all the ignorant fucks die off and it eventually hits all 50 states. It’s not stopping; you and all of your friends, an army of friends, won’t be able to stop it :)
You still don’t get it. He wasn’t shot over marijuana. He was shot because he almost ran over and killed a cop while he was trying to flee an arrest.
Why were the police there to begin with? Oh, right, marijuana…Big sting operation, for TEN grams. LOL! I saw a guy buying 10 ounces the other day, was walking down the street with it. There were no squad cars, he was not surrounded…A police officer passed him on the way to his car, he said hello officer, the officer smiled and said “hi” back, and he got in his car and drove home. No one had to be murdered over plant clippings…
Marijuana may be legal there but it’s not here. If he wanted to smoke weed then he should have went to where it’s legal. If he had ran over the cop and killed him over 10 grams would you be ok with that?
Sad day for all the people in prison I guess, right? Sad day for all the people who have died in the drug war too! Guess they should have just waited for legalization or moved somewhere else to exercise their rights…I guess all the people who were drinking alcohol during prohibition deserved to get arrested and killed as well, because because something’s the law, that makes it right. Guess all those black people in the south should have stayed in their “nergo” places in the back of the bus and used their own bathrooms, and went to their own schools, and never put up a fuss, because Jim Crowe was the law! You fail, hard. Wasn’t his car stopped or in park prior to it allegedly moving? And wasn’t he in a parking lot? How is he going to build up enough speed to kill someone with just the force of his car from a stopped position? Was he driving a Lexus LFA or something? When the video comes out, we’ll all get a chance to see for ourselves what happened, and my best guess is, you’ll be eating your words and scrambling to delete your comments. I will almost guarantee it; even if it does show he was driving towards the cop, I’m sure as shit it won’t show him going 60 MPH straight at him with enough force to cause death. Cops put their life on the line every day — it comes with the job. Don’t want to risk dying? Don’t be a cop — it’s that simple. Just because it’s a dangerous job and police are put in dangerous situations, that more often than not, could have been prevented, if not for them CAUSING these situations, it doesn’t give police justification to murder someone. I’m not debating with you anymore, you treat your opinions like fact and don’t have a very open mind.
The people drinking alcohol during prohibition did deserve to get arrested. They were breaking the law. Making something legal does not make it a right. A right is something that cannot be made illegal-dumbass. If the officer had been knocked down and run over then it wouldn’t have been the speed of the car that killed him but the weight of the car crushing him. The police cars were there, the blue lights were on, and Hammond had no right to try and flee. Reading the end of your diatribe it sounds like you believe that if a cop gets killed on a traffic stop that it is his fault for stopping the car. If a cop gets killed trying to stop a murder then it’s his fault for interfering in the personal affairs of another man. You sir are proof of the negative effects that marijuana has on the brain.
Those cases were caused by underlying conditions, not marijuana. Troll harder. Still think the car was going backwards even though the chief of police said he wasn’t shot in the back, and he was driving towards the officer?
Always an excuse for everything that undermines your worthless opinion.
LOL — “The researchers noted that one of the men had a serious undetected heart problem and the other had a history of drinking and using cocaine and other amphetamines.” — yeah, their deaths were caused by marijuana. Right. I’m surprised people in Alaska, Colorado, etc. aren’t dropping death right now! Don’t you get it, you’ve lost the drug war…you’re sad arguments aren’t worth shit, and the people in charge see right through them. So what was it, was he driving backwards even though the police chief said he wasn’t shot in the back (despite the family’s private doctor saying otherwise on their autopsy)? You’ll be eating your words when the tape comes out! :) Have fun while it lasts, they can’t hold off on releasing it too much longer.
Colorado has also contributed several deaths to marijuana use. I guess you are smarter than the medical examiners. I guess alcohol doesn’t kill either- it was liver failure, or heart failure, or some other underlying medical condition.
but yet here you are commenting, must not be that tired of it.
Where were all of you #bluelivesmatter people when armed thugs, under the guise of ‘Patriots’, were pointing assault rifles directly at LEOs at the Bundy Ranch last year?
Those government agents were not acting as protectors. They were pirates, perhaps terrorists.
Bundy had conservative”values
Conservative values, what are they?
Police brutality needs to get the public’s outrage no matter the victim.
The DoJ is investigating so drop the “nobody cares because he’s white” routine.
DOJ don’t care less he’s as black as Obama (who is 50% white)
You’re quite the rocket surgeon. The DoJ cared enough about Hammond’s case (or at least they care about appearances) to devote their limited resources to it.
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In case no one noticed- They are fighting to withhold the evidence on Dylan Roof to protect his right to a fair trial. There are also doing that with the video of the OIS in Aiken. In this case it is being done as part of the investigation but could later be withheld for the same reason.
seen many a video of police brutality in sc, they either don’t prosecute or the jury lets them off the hook it is in our culture here in sc and the cops know it.
So in other words most people don’t agree with your opinion of what happened in those cases.
no most people think they should back a cop guilty or not
That is one way to rationalize your unpopular opinions but in reality, people simply do not agree with you in most of these cases. Just because the bad guy loses or gets hurt doesn’t mean that that there was police brutality. Some people just choose to learn the hard way. If you don’t agree with the cop it is always better to deal with it on court than it is to try and deal with it at the scene.
yeah like the lexington cop who slammed a handcuffed prisoner”s head into the side of his cruiser three times before he through him in the back, or maybe the hiway patrolman who tried to kill a suspect with his cruiser for running away and bragged about trying to run him over, and lets not forget the cop trying to run down another suspect in a low rent apartment complex with innocent women and children running for their lives. they all got off because of pukes like you whining about how tough their jobs are.
I don’t remember any media coverage about the Lexington cop. I don’t remember a highway patrolman bragging about trying to run someone over. I remember the apartment complex one. I think that guy was fired/resigned. I bet you that in each of these cases that the suspect did something to escalate the situation, either resisting or running or whatever. Like I said earlier, make your case in court not at the scene. Whether the officers actions we justified or not, the suspects actions that escalated the situation were not.
you are a cancer to sc,portraying calm intelligence to move the angry rednecks towards your agenda, if i where from you ilk we would have a shot of single batch and laugh at them.
My agenda is the truth. I call them as I see them and let the chips fall where they may. Of the three incidents that you mentioned I do recall the one in the apartment complex. That is because the NAACP raised hell about the incident until they found out that the officer was black. What do you think my agenda is?
we were talking about bad cops, i could care less about their race, your agenda is obvious, you are pulling the race card
No, I’m not. You are delusional. I pointed out certain facts from instances that you brought up. You bring up an agenda and accuse me of pursuing one and then say that it is a non issue. Why do you claim that I am playing the race card by stating the facts? Would you like to relay more information about the two instances that I don’t remember to see if they refresh my memory?
They quickly released video of the cop shooting the black man in North Charleston. So what are they trying to cover up? What will they do to change the video?
She needs to hire Andy Savage and file a 10 million dollar lawsuit.
That was released to the public by the victim’s family after it was provided to them by the citizen that filmed it. It was not released by SLED or any other government entity.
Prosecutors could have barred it via a emergency court order.
I don’t believe that they had any advance notice that it was going to be released.
Release the video.
I can’t believe some of the simple minded quivering by some here. The bottom line is..this was not the Mexican drug lord el chapped. It was a kid in a date with a girl who had some pot. So f-cling
It is possible that he was backing up with the wheel turned and that after avoiding the rear of the vehicle, he was still in danger of being struck by the side as the vehicle swung around. We will not know until the investigation is complete. What we do know is that if Hammond had not escalated the situation by trying to flee that this would not have happened.
Well that ‘certainly’ justified killing an unarmed young man then high giving hus dead body!!. What was I thinking (sic)
If his actions could have led to the death of the officer then the shooting was justified. The investigation will determine that. Would you prefer that the officer died because of Hammond’s actions?
Ur obviously either married to a cop or one yourself so im wasting my time. I have cops in the family and hear things quite often from them regarding their capacity to be above the law. Even they agree with me on this one. Tiller changed his story so many times he is obviously a gutless lier.
There is an ongoing investigation that will determine that. The release of the video will not occur until the investigation is over. One thing that will not change is that regardless of whether or not Tiller was justified in shooting, Hammond was not justified in fleeing.
2 cops resigned after this and another specified the high five. Something smells here. Im not wasting my time with on you at this pt
And none that answers the question about whether or not the shooting was justified. The investigation will determine that. Nothing will ever change the fact that Hammond escalated the situation through his actions regardless of whether or not the shooting was justified. What are you so eager for the video to be released but not clamoring for this ypung adult’s juvenile record to be released?
How do you know he fled? Why are you making assumptions based on what the police said? Have you not seen all the videos where the police lie on the reports and talk about covering up murders when they don’t know they’re being recorded? Wake up dude..seriously.
Your tin foil hat is slipping off. There has been no credible evidence to show that the vehicle was moving forward. Hammond’s uncles stated on a different thread that Hammond’s vehicle was stopped after it was struck in the rear. The delusional statement of the passenger states the same thing. You can only stop a vehicle by striking it in the rear if it is moving backwards.
“According to Seneca Police Chief John Covington, Hammond was driving the car “toward the officer” who was trying to make the stop.”
What are you saying about the car moving backwards? That’s a direct quote from the Police Chief to the Washington Post!
You dont know that. You have no way of knowing that. DASH CAM VID
In due time when the investigation is complete. Unless it is withheld either at the request of the Hammond family or at the request of Tiller to protect his right to a fair trial, if he is charged. Either way, a judge will have to rule if either party attempts to suppress the video after the investigation concludes.
That is why I said that it was possible! One of several different possibilities. There is an investigation that will determine the facts.
“what we do know do know is that if Hammond had not escalated the situation by trying to flee that this would have not have to happened” Thats you talking out of your ass.
Explain your reasoning for that. Do you think this was a planned random murder by the cops?
Police have long had taser type weapons that fire into cars that can immobilize them. I believe the first ones were deployed in 2010 to border crossing agents. If he tried to flee and step on the gas, and one of the officers used one a vehicle immobilizer weapon, the car wouldn’t move anywhere…Why wouldn’t they just use one of those? They’ve been given hundreds of millions of government dollars to purchase this equipment after 9/11 due to “terrorism” concerns.
How many of these devices have the Seneca PD obtained. What is the effective radius of this device? Would id have shut down vehicles on the roadway? Why not just detonate a nuclear device and let the EMP stop everything? Do you have a link to the manufacturer of this device so we can learn more about it? Why aren’t we using these devices as AA devices in our military? Wouldn’t they be more useful than missiles?
There are a few different devices on the market, but most of them work from a range of about 50 meters. They only affect the targeted vehicle, not all electronics in the area — it’s not a general EMP like you are thinking. Do some reading before commenting like a noob:
As I said, local police precincts all across the USA have received boatloads of money to buy military equipment in the name of counter-terrorism since 9/11…if they didn’t use the money to buy them and spent it on something else, that’s a piss poor excuse for murdering Zachary.
I know for a fact that they’re in use at Mexico and Canada borders, and I know for a fact that a lot of other police departments around the USA have them.
The link to the manufacturer is in that article — that is just one model though, from a company called e2v, the product is called RF Safe-Stop. I also know that police in the UK have them deployed and mounted in police SUVs / Vans, and the USA coast guard also uses them to stop boats. Again, it does not damage or cause harm to any other electronics in the area — just the targeted suspect.
How many does Seneca have?
Was not finished with sentence. As I was saying ..so what. There was some pot on the kid. Most of us have tried it or are addicted to something. He was not a threat like Mexican drug lord El Chappo so why are these cretin cops killing a non threatening young man sitting at Hardee’s, McDonald’s ..who really gives a crap where he decided to go. WHY was he shot TWICE!!! There was no imminent threat to the cops. He was shot from the side so the car running at him was bullshit! The psychopaths story changed multiple times as I guess he didn’t think out his alibi before he realized the facts of an autopsy would show he lied! That young man should have not lost his life over something this trivial. He was no threat to anyone. The cop was clearly trigger happy out of his mind with the thought of bringing down that big bad 19 yr old with a joint. So impressive!!!! Absolutely disgusting. The devil has this cops number and at some point he’ll answer for it! RIP Zachary.
Judge Dredd. Is this what you want?
No, I want officer that enforce the law. I would love a society where people like Zachary Hammond do not break the law but if they do break the law then I would like for them to accept the consequences of their actions and not endanger the lives of others in an attempt to flee.
There is no real indication that Hammond did not attempt to flee, the question is- Did he endanger Tiller’s life when he tried to flee. The investigation will determine that.
Ya a utopian society were every one was perfect would be sweet. I despise law breakers with full fervor. Enforcing the law vs filling some one with holes are very different. Showing the dash cam vid would bring some levity to this situation. In one direction or another and we most like
ly would not be having this dialog.
Depending on the angle that the patrol car was parked at there might not be clear visual evidence of what occurred. Regardless of whether or not Tiller was justified in shooting, Hammond was not justified in trying to flee.
So releasing a blank video would??? Your arguments are the rants of a child hiding behind a fake name.
You are crying for a video that will clear everything up. I am pointing out to you that the video may not be the magic pill that you are wanting it to be. I have posted extensively on this. Take time to read the posts on this thread and others before you speak out of turn. You got to class late and now you want everyone to stop and wait on you to catch up.
While this may be true, why would they not want to release it? Are the contents of the video going to change any time in the future? Yes, it is an active investigation, fine — If there are suspects currently being investigated on the video for whatever fictitious victimless crimes the state is looking at them for, they can blur their faces out or just edit it and then have an independent agency certify that they are editing it, properly, for investigative reasons, and not covering anything up.
Instead they chose to hire a P.R. firm with taxpayer money just to not have to release the tape. Also, I can not imagine why they wouldn’t even show the video to Zachary’s family. That to me, makes NO sense. A mother deserves to know how her son was murdered by the hands of the state.
Please read the previous comments on this and other threads so I don’t have to stop the class to catch you up. If someone claims that they were standing at a particular location when they saw something then the video may show that they weren’t there and that they are lying. If they have a chance to see the video then they can claim that they were at another location, outside of the camera’s view, when they made their observation. The video can be very useful in corroborating or refuting a possible witnesses statement but only when there is information that is known only to investigators and witnesses and not to the general public.
I still do not understand — Why wouldn’t the investigators take statements from all the people who were at the scene of the crime…this happened in JULY! They’ve had over a month to take sworn statements from everyone there…They have obviously done so already. It doesn’t take over a month to get sworn statements, especially from police officers. They probably gave their initial statements at the time of the MURDER, and a month would give them to do at least 2 or 3 follow ups, per officer / witness. Get statements, then release the video…if someone says they were in X location on their statement, and video shows them as being somewhere else, then at trial, they can go back and prove that said person lied. The only reason I can think of them not releasing the video is that the officers won’t talk, at all — in which case, compel them to talk, or arrest them for obstruction of justice.
Go back to class, I’m busy
Why is it that the same liberAls that want to legalize all drugs want to outlaw all guns?
They’re hiding something…
Crush all Drug warriors
Why are the least harmful drugs illegal?
When Alcohol Prohibition started killing way more people than society’s most harmful drug … people came to their senses and ended Alcohol Prohibition … because Prohibition of anything does not work, is backward and should not be allowed to harm any humans … especially not in a place that calls itself a free country. The drugs that are Prohibited in “Free Countries” hardly kill anyone at all, compared to legal drugs … and the Prohibited Drugs would kill even less if they weren’t adulterated by criminals for more profit and people were not afraid to seek help in the event of an overdose … but that would be rare anyway if drugs were regulated and labels stated strength and purity. Children would not be able to get drugs as, like the #1 killer drug (Tobacco), you have to be an adult to purchase … the kids in the leather jackets that sell harmful adulterated drugs at school rarely ask to see your I.D.
These limited debates about killings being justified or not, are sickening! Let’s debate how incredibly stupid it is to Prohibit Drugs … it’s evil and barbaric.
How about we let science, facts and truth guide Drug Policy in the free world … that’s the debate that we should be having … anything short of that is only going to harm millions more completely undeserving good souls and give UNJUST LAW enforcement officers good job security … and that’s why people employed in Justice related jobs will engage in these sick limited debates all day long. WAKE UP … the War on Drugs is unbelievably destructive … the drugs that are prohibited are not. I see cops, judges, prosecutors, probation officers, etc referring to people that were buying or selling or having anything to do with drugs as criminals or the bad guys … and if they got harmed or killed it was their own fault because they were “BAD” … but the truth is there was not any victim in their crime and I would not label someone as bad for breaking an UNJUST law. Here on Earth, those in Justice love to hurt and label victim-less criminals as “BAD”… but after we move on from this life … the Judge there has the exact opposite opinion. ***PEACE***