National Politics - 2016

Will Donald Trump’s “Surge” Ultimately Help Jeb Bush?

NO … IT WON’T || By FITSNEWS || The flamboyant, filterless GOP presidential frontrunner says his rapid rise won’t ultimately wind up helping the electoral prospects of the establishment’s top choice for the job … Jeb Bush. Billionaire real estate mogul Donald Trump – who has surged to the front of…


|| By FITSNEWS || The flamboyant, filterless GOP presidential frontrunner says his rapid rise won’t ultimately wind up helping the electoral prospects of the establishment’s top choice for the job … Jeb Bush.

Billionaire real estate mogul Donald Trump – who has surged to the front of the 2016 “Republican” pack – is countering a theory advanced by National Journal that his ascendancy is actually a good thing for Bush’s prospects.

According to the publication, “Trump’s ascent could inadvertently help Bush, both by providing him a foil in the immigration debate, and also by dividing the populist conservative voters who are least likely to ever support an establishment favorite like the former Florida governor.”

“The paradox of Donald Trump’s bombastic presidential campaign is that his rise may ultimately benefit the rival he has attacked most vociferously,” author Ronald Brownstein concluded.

Trump thinks this theory is ridiculous.

“Nobody believes that,” he said during a Friday morning interview with MSNBC. “The one (who) least believes that is Jeb Bush.” Believe me.”

We’re inclined to agree with “The Donald” on this one.  First of all, if Trump maintains his surge then he becomes the nominee, not Bush.  Which clearly isn’t “helpful.”

More to the point, though, should Trump flame out that doesn’t necessarily mean the forces propelling his rise are going to evaporate.

They won’t.  In fact they will rally to the next credible alternative to the GOP status quo.

Don’t believe us?

According to a recent Fox News poll, more than two-thirds of GOP primary voters agree with Trump on the issue of illegal immigration – where Bush is perceived as weak.  There is simply no universe in which Trump hammering away at Bush on this issue – and other issues igniting the passions of the GOP base – is in any way “helpful” to the establishment favorite.

Furthermore, should Bush survive the broadsides and ultimately emerge as the GOP nominee – the brutal primary process will likely leave many voters unwilling to support him in a general election.

Seriously: Ask Mitt Romney about that …

Anyone suggesting Donald Trump’s political ascendancy is in any way “helpful” to Jeb Bush is delusional.  Or deliberately ignoring the forces responsible for that ascendancy in the first place.


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euwe max July 17, 2015 at 11:24 am

I hope the Republicans unite behind Trump, and he manages to capture their true political goals in his campaign.

They deserve to be truthfully represented.

We can only hope July 17, 2015 at 11:43 am

How about a Bush/Trump ticket? Oh, please…

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 2:53 pm

Trump/Bush would be better…

Bush would look like a clinging buffoon.

Rat's nest July 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm

I think Donald’s hair is the perfect metaphor for the mess the GOP has become.

Hummmmmm... July 17, 2015 at 1:53 pm

I will vote for Trump if he allows a TV crew to film his hair being set into whatever you call that hairdo. Does he have exotic cats that cough up hairballs unto his scalp? Does he hire young boys to collect hair clippings from the floors of exclusive salons around Manhattan? So many questions…

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm

how does a dead hamster represent bloviating fools, transferring the wealth of the middle class to the richest men in America, while neglecting the needs of the people?

Rat's nest July 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm

Just stare at it for a moment. That is all represented within the ‘do.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm

You know… the druids thought that if you looked into the flames of your enemies, you could see the future.

Rat's nest July 17, 2015 at 3:22 pm

See, Donald transfers hair from the back of his head to the front, neglecting the need of a presentable public appearance. Much like his rhetoric, his hair looks regurgitated. Staring into it, one sees a future mess of oblivious embarrassment.

American People July 17, 2015 at 1:03 pm

The only thing that could help Jeb was if we found out he was adopted.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 2:50 pm

…by illegal Immigrants

American People July 17, 2015 at 2:56 pm

His Hispanic in-laws are all legal. Be nice.

Mike at the Beach July 19, 2015 at 12:29 am

Euwe can’t help himself…he traffics primarily in hyperbole and slightly disassociated musings, all filtered through a not-so-slight obsession with the GOP. Amusing as Hell at times, though.

GOP's Ultimate Problem July 17, 2015 at 11:28 am

Donald Trump is leading a percentage of GOP voters off in one direction. Undoubtedly other crazy candidates will lead off more in other directions. When one of the more moderate Republicans finally win, they will have to speak enough crazy to pull those voters back, and in doing so, will drive out the moderate and swing voters in droves.

I hope Sanders manages to beat Hillary. I really don’t like Hillary, but this is how we get Hillary.

Sic Semper Tyrannis July 17, 2015 at 11:36 am

I’m not so sure, remember, the crazies picked Sara for veep. Good thinking, from a former republican.

Nutjobs and fools July 17, 2015 at 11:48 am

You are a party of fucking nutjobs and idiots. Thanks for the laughs.

Nut jobs are the GOPs problem July 17, 2015 at 11:51 am

Bachman, Palin, Gohmert, Bright, Keyes, Trump, Cruz, Sanford, Grahman, Huckabee, Duggars, Duck Dynasty, Ted Nuggent…Sorry, the republicans have the market cornered on fucking nut jobs and idiots. Shall I continue my list?

U-R Disaster personified July 17, 2015 at 11:54 am

You elected Obama twice. Look how he’s Fucked up the country. Nuff said.

Poor nutjob^^^ July 17, 2015 at 11:57 am

The country is doing much better now than when Bush left office and bailed out the banks. It might be worse for racist assholes, but it’s better now than 8 years ago. No denying that. If you are worse off, that your fault.

The Enquirer July 17, 2015 at 12:24 pm

So if you got your wish and Sanders won and was able to push his agenda through, why would socialism work this time around as opposed to its long history of failure throughout history?

Bye, bye July 17, 2015 at 11:42 am

Who cares? The republicans are toast in 2016 any way you look at it.

Don't be delusional July 17, 2015 at 11:44 am

Your one and only chance is Hillary. At least FIVE GOP contenders make her look like a pile of dogshit.

The media has you idiots delusional. Look at the country. It’s in a mess. And it’s your fault. And even the media cannot shield you from that any longer.

Bye, bye July 17, 2015 at 11:47 am

SC might be a mess, along with the southeast in general, but there are not enough racist white people to elect a republican. Sorry, most Americans won’t allow another republican to nearly destroy the country again. That’s your fault…

Democrats screwed July 17, 2015 at 11:52 am

Remember: There will be Voter ID laws enforced in 2016. Obama had them delayed for 2012, because he knew what he needed to get put back in office.

And even without voter integrity, the multiple voters in states like Ohio, Penn and Fla. will not risk jail to vote for a lily-white, silver-spooned, obnoxious hag, like Hillary.

Without a Black candidate, you’re Fucked. And that’s likely the truth from here on out, in presidential elections.

Aside from that, most states have already turned on failed Democrats, and thriving because of it.

So the White House is next for you to lose. Adios you ignorant, America-Hating asshole.

Bye, bye July 17, 2015 at 11:55 am

Nice fantasy you’ve created there. And could you please name the states that have ‘thrived’ after turning to republican rule. Kansas? Wisconsin? South Carolina?
Keep dreaming ;-)

Obama Disaster July 17, 2015 at 12:00 pm

Since you’re immune from reality, it would not make any difference if I showed you.

The media has turned all of you Democrats into ignorant robot Dumbasses.

Poor Nutjob^^^ July 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm

Show us all. Please? You’ve yet to provide anything but more ‘conservative’ shit talking. No facts. No examples. Just more bullshit. Just proving my point…over and over again.

Bye, bye GOP July 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm

Still waiting on all those great examples…

Real world July 17, 2015 at 12:32 pm

When you don’t know any minorities, young people or women, you can come up with comments like that and believe they are valid points.

If Jeb switches parties July 17, 2015 at 11:46 am

Trump helps Jeb with Democrats. But they will vote for Hillary in the end, so that is meaningless, unless Jeb sees how easy it will to beat Hillary among Democrat voters, and switches parties.

You lose regardless.

sparklecity July 17, 2015 at 11:49 am

I swear if I see or hear the word “surge” one more fucking time…………….

$$$ July 17, 2015 at 11:53 am

I wonder if Trump’s people specified Will use that word with one of their checks?

Hillary's Flat-lining Campaign July 17, 2015 at 11:58 am

Yeah: I’d much rather read about the disaster of Hillary’s stumbling and bumbling campaign. I laugh so hard when I see reports about how she is turning her coronation into a crash and burn.

Why isn’t the media reporting on that more? (:

Duh? July 17, 2015 at 11:58 am

Because it isn’t happening.

Ignorant Democrat Voters July 17, 2015 at 12:07 pm

It took me less than 5 minutes to find these headlines. And you’re too fucking stupid to know this.

It shows how fucking ignorant the average Democrat is:

Hillary Clinton’s Campaign is Already Plagued With Problems

So much for a smooth Hillary Clinton campaign

Pollster John Zogby: Clinton Campaign Is ‘in Trouble’

3 Problems Standing in the Way of a Hillary Clinton …

Hillary Clinton just doesn’t get it

Why Democrats should be worried after Hillary Clinton’s first week on the campaign trail

Bill set to step into Hillary’s faltering campaign –

Commentary: Why Hillary Is In Trouble

Believe it or not, Biden Fever growing as Hillary falters

Joe Biden Is No Joke: With Hillary Clinton’s campaign already faltering, Democrats have an obvious candidate to turn to.

Played again July 17, 2015 at 12:11 pm

Please, keep focusing all of your pissy hate on Hillary. It worked soooo well in 2008 ;-)

Echo chamber July 17, 2015 at 12:13 pm

Gee, I wonder what websites he found those article on?

vicupstate July 17, 2015 at 12:20 pm

So the media IS REPORTING IT ??!!

Thanks for proving ‘Hillary”S Flat Lining Campaign’ is full of shit.

BTW, Beirbert headlines don’t count

Tooth July 17, 2015 at 12:00 pm

What? You won’t comment here anymore? Get lost, dumbass.

vicupstate July 17, 2015 at 12:17 pm

More to the point, though, should Trump flame out that doesn’t necessarily mean the forces propelling his rise are going to evaporate.

True, but there is every reason to believe that these ‘forces’ aka ‘right wing nut jobs’, will splinter among the many and various alternatives, allowing Jeb to get plurality wins in the primaries. In the mean time, Trump makes the others look weak, and keeps contributions ‘on the sidelines’ until later in the campaign, to see who might ’emerge’ in the wake of Trump’s flame out.

I assure you FITS, National Journal has a much better understanding of politics than you do.

SC GOP July 17, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Anyone who thinks Trump is a ‘serious’ candidate does not understand politics.

vicupstate July 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm

He is not a serious candidate, yet he is in the lead.

What does that say about Republicans?

That they are stupid. But we already knew that.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 1:35 pm

I think it is too early to determine who is in the lead. People will change their mind closer to primaries and even more so with GE.
I do think it will come down to Clinton vs. Bush, but this seems to be an odd election year. Maybe deja vue?

Trump having a ball July 17, 2015 at 12:32 pm

I agree. Trump is having a GREAT time sending all these stupid liberals into a frenzy. He’s going straight to the people, and he does not care what the media says to him, or about him.

The idiots on the left are running around like their hair’s on fire. They have no idea what to do.

Glad Trump's happy now... July 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Liberals might be in a fit of frenzied laughter and jubilation at Donald’s popularity with likely republican voters. It’s the GOP that’s shitting their pants over this disaster.

vicupstate July 18, 2015 at 2:27 pm

Strong evidence that Trump is hurting everyone else in the race EXCEPT Jeb Bush

TroubleBaby July 17, 2015 at 12:22 pm

No one here seems to remember the conditions under which Hitler came to power.

Hitler and Obama VERY similar July 17, 2015 at 12:30 pm

Hitler demanded Germans be vegetarian, he was for universal healthcare, and he banned cigarettes.
He spied on citizens and he attacked opponents based on his racial hatred. He made wild and absurd accusations and Hitler punished political opponents using the government revenue collection agency.

The Democrat Party may be ignorant, but the intelligent, and the students of history, know EXACTLY who you, and Obama are, and what you are doing. You only fool the stupid who vote for you.

Yes, history July 17, 2015 at 12:36 pm

George Bush’s granddad help finance the Nazi’s. You know, history and all…

Ahh, history July 17, 2015 at 12:44 pm

And a Democratic president was commander-in-chief during the defeat of the Nazi’s…and the entire Axis powers. You know, history and all…

TroubleBaby July 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm

If only the stupid vote for me, does that mean I’m getting elected soon and will be rich?


Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 1:38 pm

Don’t be silly, you will only be rich AFTER you are in office by giving lectures and writing books. There is hope. Start campaigning now.

Preying on voters July 17, 2015 at 1:41 pm

I’m a republican. I make money by pretending to run for president. It’s all the Republican Party is good for anymore.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 1:44 pm

I was actually hoping for a little more intellectual conversation than a canned divisive answer.

Say what? July 17, 2015 at 1:56 pm

That’s why you are here? Intellectual conversation on a political blog from SC? It’s literally one of the dumbest places in America.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 2:13 pm

Good point. I started to say as much, but really didn’t want to go negative in my evaluations of IQ as it relates to the comment section.

Say what? July 17, 2015 at 2:17 pm

It’s OK. You can speak freely here. There is an overabudance of stupidity on display here and mostly trolling commenters. I just like getting a glimps of the horribly ignorant mindset of the typical SCGOP voter. Boy, they don’t disappoint!

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 2:19 pm

The best thing I can say about the comment section, “You can speak freely here”

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 4:05 pm

TB, start your fliers today, make your speaking points clear and concise and just to f*ck with voters, in the bottom left hand side, add TB as a trademark.

Mail some to me and I’ll be happy to spread them around. I’ll tell everyone how you want to clean up America and you are Trouble for the status Quo. I’m thinking given the slate of candidates, you have a real chance. I’ll stand on street corners for free waiving your brochure, I’ll help develop your site, I’ll even go the extra mile and set up social media sites.

I can help you raise money, FOR a price: a cut of the speech/book sessions down the road. No telling how far we could go — be sure to wear something bright and colorful that represents change. There is a caveat, I insist you do it my way, never speak in front of a camera without my permission and a teleprompter. Don’t worry, I’ll draft all your speeches.

(sarcasm of course) but wouldn’t it be fun? ;)

TroubleBaby July 17, 2015 at 4:19 pm

“be sure to wear something bright and colorful that represents change”

Can I rent a clown suit? Maybe some big red floppy shoes too?

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm

That should do darling! But PLEASE do not wear blue — that is status quo ;)

More darn history July 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm

Trump, and those who support him, attack people based on racial hatred. You know, history and all…

Pesky history July 17, 2015 at 12:57 pm

A democratic president got Bin Laden. A republican president gave weapons to Iran. You know, history and all…

Mike July 17, 2015 at 1:29 pm

No…a SEAL team got Bin Laden. Obama happened to be president.

History, Mike. July 17, 2015 at 1:39 pm

Democratic Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces personally oversaw the operation. A republican president personally allowed Bin Laden’s family to leave the country while all flights were grounded right after 9/11. You know, history and all…

vicupstate July 17, 2015 at 2:06 pm

He authorized it and had it not been successful, you and your ilk would have blamed him, not the SEAL team, so STFU.

TroubleBaby July 17, 2015 at 1:14 pm

“he was for universal healthcare” -Check

Pssst….Trump is for universal healthcare…he’s on record saying it.

“He made wild and absurd accusations”- Check

“Hitler punished political opponents using the government revenue collection agency” – Check

Trump has said he’s going to punish American auto manufacturers that move their production out of the US by installing tariffs

You are making a strong case, stronger than I have certainly.

Obama even more similar July 17, 2015 at 1:58 pm

Trump is a celebrity flash-in-the-pan with no real chance. And he’s rising talking about SMART immigration polices that have been neglected to dangerous levels under Obama and the Democrat Party.

Obama is your lord god who has damaged this country almost to the point, Hitler damaged Germany.

PS: Hitler and Obama HATE the Jewish people, and are in bed with Radical extremist Islam. How could I forget that one.

Infotardz July 17, 2015 at 2:10 pm

Do you wake up this stupid or does it take a few hours of surfing conservative conspiracy sites?

TroubleBaby July 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm


Silver pachyderm July 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Yes, it will help Bush, as the Donald is not electable and certainly doesn’t have the temperament to be president. As long as the Donald surges, more qualified and electable candidates, who could challenge Bush are unable to gain any traction.

Trump Takes Nation July 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Trump & Bush: Everything I am seeing across the internet, its too late for Bush. As support for Bush fades, Bush is now agreeing with Trump on the massive invasion and flooding of illegal aliens in the USA.
Trump is smoking all GOP candidates.
Hillary is sinking fast.
Sanders Leading
Graham Choking In His Own Vomit

Ooops July 17, 2015 at 12:53 pm

You realize Jeb is married to an immigrant, right? You can’t even keep your lies straight today, GT.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 1:40 pm

Trump has raised the least amount of money. That could be an issue for him, because people don’t typically like giving money to the rich. Will be interesting to see how much personal capital he will spend or if he will flame out.

HairBall July 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm

He will flame out very soon. The people who manage his wealth will make sure of that.

erneba July 17, 2015 at 12:48 pm

It is over a year till the nominating conventions, too early to start speculating about the ramifications that current events will project into the future. Just ask Hillary about the consequences of picking out a coronation gown a year in advance prior to the 2008 election.
Usually, these fabricated scenarios are a product of political operatives, on both sides, looking to put their candidate’s spin on an opportunity. They get picked up by the MSM, and then parroted back as an original thought by some overpaid network political analyst.
It does influence public thought and opinion, especially those predisposed to support a certain party /candidate.
Thoughtful people realize that nothing is locked in at this point and keep an open mind.

Trump Takes Nation July 17, 2015 at 12:48 pm

The Clinton Murders are being plastered all over facebook.

Yikes! July 17, 2015 at 12:52 pm

Wow. You guys ARE desperate as hell.

Trump Takes Nation July 17, 2015 at 12:49 pm

Lets take a very close look at Graham’s pay offs by way of campaign donations.

DC July 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm

Go Donald Go. You will be the only one fighting for us…in the whole damn town of DC.

Who? July 17, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Who is ‘us’? The managers of his funds?

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 1:32 pm

As I look at the candidates, platforms and listen to people talk, and analyze my own political views. I wonder if we are going through a political party shift?

I think it is very likely the chosen ones will be Clinton vs. Bush — but is way to early to predict.

Quietus July 17, 2015 at 2:10 pm

Lord help us all. It’s 1992 all over again.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm

Ha! That is an interesting date — Desert Storm. I’m no longer in the military, not a political one nor a national one — I am simply observing.

TMI July 17, 2015 at 2:18 pm

Desert Storm was 1991.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 2:20 pm

Yes, I know, I was there. The election after Desert Storm, many of us veterans were disgruntled and some (like myself) voted for a 3rd party candidate. Ross Perot.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 2:59 pm

How about we make an exception and let Bill run again?
This time, we can get him a rotating female “personal intern,” so he can focus on his job(!) without having to sneak around to get it in 2016.

Not that job. July 17, 2015 at 3:02 pm

He did a pretty good for a guy not focusing on his job.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 3:07 pm

I’m sure he spent less than an hour a day engaged in recreational activities.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 4:51 pm

I don’t give one rats petunia what he did in personal time – as long as it was consensual. It is bothersome it ruined Monica’s life, if it was a case of harassment, then should have been dealt with. He lied under oath. Those things I do care about, but as far as POTUS he wasn’t all bad.

He was likely narcissistic — above the law.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 6:32 pm

It is bothersome it ruined Monica’s life,

It’s bothersome that she put on her Presidential kneepads, instead of just blowing some blue-balled farmer’s son in college… bothersome that Bill was a brilliant leader, and not a better man.

Let's be fair July 17, 2015 at 8:40 pm

The republicans trying to make an issue of that crap ruined Monica’s life.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 8:41 pm

I can’t think of a more deserving person.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 3:47 pm

I’d take a Bill Clinton over anyone that is currently running, as long as Congress is those Republicans you diss on ;)

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 6:04 pm

Congressional Republicans are proof that shit floats.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 6:17 pm

As have Democrats. :)

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 6:28 pm

Torture is worse than theft.
Wars based on lies is worse than naivete.
Rape is worse than not getting involved.

All are fallen – none are righteous – but Republicans will suffer the greater damnation.

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 7:00 pm

I think you meant to say PEOPLE.

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 7:04 pm

No, I mean *Republicans*

Praying Mantis July 17, 2015 at 2:17 pm

Awww….I see your point now. That was the Bush vs. Clinton. Yes!

euwe max July 17, 2015 at 8:10 pm

If Donald Trump is a ridiculous, unknowledgeable figure skating by on a yokel’s version of charisma and an as-seen-on-TV version of policy, blame whichever cynical twerp hoisted a glassy-eyed Sarah Palin to that same podium first.


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