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OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ACCUSED OF LYING ABOUT OSAMA BIN LADEN RAID || By FITSNEWS || Renowned investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh has accused the administration of Barack Obama of lying about the circumstances surrounding the 2011 assassination of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. No … this isn’t one of those “Osama…

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ACCUSED OF LYING ABOUT OSAMA BIN LADEN RAID

|| By FITSNEWS || Renowned investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh has accused the administration of Barack Obama of lying about the circumstances surrounding the 2011 assassination of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

No … this isn’t one of those “Osama is still alive” conspiracies.  It is, however, a credible rebuke of the government’s account of the hunt for bin Laden and the raid which ultimately took his life.

According to the official government narrative – as depicted in the movie Zero Dark Thirty – intelligence obtained from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)’s “enhanced interrogation” program led directly to a May 2011 raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

That raid resulted in U.S. special forces shooting and killing bin Laden in a firefight – or so the story goes.

Obviously, we already knew the part about the CIA’s torture program gleaning actionable intelligence was complete and total B.S.  But what about the rest of the narrative?

According to Hersh, the government’s account is riddled with fabrications …

For example, he claims it wasn’t a tortured terrorist detainee who provided U.S. officials with the terrorist mastermind’s whereabouts – but rather a former Pakistani intelligence officer motivated by the government’s $25 million bounty.  Apparently the guy just walked into the U.S. embassy in Islamabad and offered up the information – and collected on a sizable portion of the loot.

Also, Hersh’s report – published by the London Review of Books – claims bin Laden had been in Pakistani custody since 2006, and that his Islamabad compound was really a jail cell guarded by Pakistani forces.

Want more?

Hersh claims that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – general Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Ahmed Shuja Pasha – not only knew of the U.S. raid, but actively helped the Americans plan for it and even participated in the operation by “ensuring that Pakistan’s army and air defense command would not track or engage with the US helicopters used on the mission.”

Why did Pakistan play ball?

Because according to Hersh, “the US had begun to cut back on aid to Pakistan.”  Giving up bin Laden – and rolling out the red carpet for the special forces operators – was all about turning the spigot back on.

Hersh also alleges the American raid – contrary to government accounts – was a “kill mission” from the get-go.  And that there was no real effort to gain any actionable intelligence from the compound after it as over because by the time bin Laden was delivered to the Americans – he had no such information in his possession.

Here’s the section of the report dealing with bin Laden’s assassination …

‘They knew where the target was – third floor, second door on the right,’ the retired official said. ‘Go straight there. Osama was cowering and retreated into the bedroom. Two shooters followed him and opened up. Very simple, very straightforward, very professional hit.’ Some of the Seals were appalled later at the White House’s initial insistence that they had shot bin Laden in self-defense, the retired official said. ‘Six of the Seals’ finest, most experienced NCOs, faced with an unarmed elderly civilian, had to kill him in self-defense? The house was shabby and bin Laden was living in a cell with bars on the window and barbed wire on the roof. The rules of engagement were that if bin Laden put up any opposition they were authorized to take lethal action. But if they suspected he might have some means of opposition, like an explosive vest under his robe, they could also kill him. So here’s this guy in a mystery robe and they shot him. It’s not because he was reaching for a weapon. The rules gave them absolute authority to kill the guy.’ The later White House claim that only one or two bullets were fired into his head was ‘bullshit’, the retired official said. ‘The squad came through the door and obliterated him. As the Seals say, “We kicked his ass and took his gas.”’

Finally, Hersh claims the Obama administration double-crossed its Pakistani allies by taking credit for a raid.

“In the initial plan it was to be announced a week or so after the fact that bin Laden was killed in a drone strike somewhere in the mountains on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and that his remains had been identified by DNA testing,” Hersh reported.

The government’s response to all this?

“There are too many inaccuracies and baseless assertions in this piece to fact check each one,” said Ned Price, the White House’s national security spokesman.

Right … because (sarcasm alert) the government would never lie about stuff like this, right?

Hersh is an award-winning journalist with a reputation for exposing government deception all over the world.  For example two years ago he exposed the Obama administration’s efforts to kickstart a war in Syria over false claims related to the use of chemical weapons by Syrian president Bashar al-Assad.

At the end of the day … will anyone care?

Probably not.  As long as bin Laden is dead (a fact no one is disputing), Hersh’s work is unlikely to stir up much fuss.  It is, however, a compelling counter-narrative to the official version of events.

The real takeaway here?  The ongoing erosion of trust in government.  After all, the more our leaders get caught lying … the more credibility it lends to counter-narratives like this one.

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66 comments

TroubleBaby May 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm

Government lies to us yet again.

We are nothing but tax cattle to them.

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shifty henry May 11, 2015 at 6:43 pm

(sigh) — just “chattel cattle”

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FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Really it’s “We are nothing but chattel cattle to them taxsuckers.”

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TroubleBaby May 12, 2015 at 10:26 am

The interesting thing about the word “chattel” is that it has roots in the word “cow”.

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mamatiger92 May 11, 2015 at 4:42 pm

reminds me of “Wag the Dog”

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SINTwist May 11, 2015 at 7:36 pm

Please leave that ‘dog’ alone tonight.

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You're not fooling anyone May 11, 2015 at 8:38 pm

Wow, your an ass fc.

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Fecal Matters May 12, 2015 at 8:43 am

It’s “you’re”. Wow, you’re an ass fc.

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mamatiger92 May 12, 2015 at 9:05 am

Just more of those Christian values on display.

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fc May 12, 2015 at 9:22 am

Did your mom run off with the preacher and leave you in a orphanage? That why you have such a hate and disdain for Christianity?

Plain speak. You are a Democrat Party voter.You have NO ‘values’.

Jonny Logic May 11, 2015 at 4:50 pm

I much prefer the narrative where the Bush administration caught Bin Laden.

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 7:12 pm

The people who turned Bin Laden over to the Seal Team – for which Obama took credit – were Muslim. They feared and hated Bush..

He was not one of them…Obama has an advantage there…LMAO….

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 2:01 am

idiot.

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FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm

He would have except that the CIA is stuffed to the doors with butts-in-seats liberals. (That was in the movie, too.)

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 2:00 am

If it’s in the movie, and now, on the internets, it must be true.

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Rocky May 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm

This is just total Bull Shit. If you were Pakistan, and you wanted to be the hero of the century to the US – you’de have delivered Osama Bin Laden to the US Embassy in a freakin’ tank, in chains. I have a lot of respect for the writer, but sometimes I think he’s just full of crap. Considering I actually know someone who was at the US Embassy in Pakistan from 2007-2009 in a non-State capacity. So he’s full of it.

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fc May 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm

Oh my!!!! Rocky is back.Now Rocky has contacts at the US Embassy in Pakistan.

I thought I saw you on television on Sunday carrying Tiger’s clubs. LMAO!!!!

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One Question May 12, 2015 at 9:55 am

Not many in Pakistan, especially that area, give a shit about US interest and probably would have not told them anything. Look at the Pakistani doctor who helped with the vaccination program to get us closer he is in jail. Not to mention high level officers in the ISI had known about Taliban and Al Qaeda members being in areas of Pakistan and have done little to combat that.

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Cush May 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm

So you’re saying journalists never lie?

You failed to mention the report also said that Saudi Arabia was funding bin Laden’s efforts… Now why would the Saudi’s fund their mortal enemy? Just doesn’t add up.

Sounds like Mr. Hersh’s true intent was to get his name back in the news… and the masses are taking the bait.

On a side note… I, for one, am all for torturing the shit out of terrorists. Those piles of human garbage should have thought about the repercussions of being a piece of shit.

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Soft Sigh from Hell May 11, 2015 at 5:36 pm

“I, for one, am all for torturing the shit out of terrorists. Those piles of human garbage should have thought about the repercussions of being a piece of shit ahead of time.”

I would assume that many of them think the same of, say, our captured downed pilots. You are in poor company.

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shifty henry May 11, 2015 at 6:02 pm

Don’t the Muslims (and I’m just thinking right now) wipe their asses with their LEFT hand? Well, just cut it off so they must use their RIGHT hand which, technically, will then be their LEFT hand.

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 1:59 am

can’t we all agree on some basics? … like Cheney is a terrorist?

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RogueElephant May 12, 2015 at 7:35 am

NO. Vice President Cheney was and still is a patriotic American that had a job to do and did it well. They are known as heroes in some circles. Like mine.

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm

I’ve heard all about those circles.

One Question May 12, 2015 at 9:53 am

I haven’t read the report personally so if I am wrong on this please let me know. I have seen in the media where his report claims the “Saudis” were funding Bin Laden. Who are they referring to when they say that? Saudis have funded Bin Laden from the start in the 80’s if you follow the money. Not necessarily the government but princes, well funded Wahhabis, and other “religious” organizations. Out of all of the stories that have come from this, this one is pretty undisputable. Read the book below if you are interested in more. It does a good job of showing the relationships the US State Department had with Saudis, Pakistanis, and Afghanis from the 80’s through the day before September 11th. Both the Saudis and the Pakistanis have played us many times. And the State Department seems to agree with this view of things since it is on their recommended reading for those hoping to become a foreign service officer.
Coll, Steven. Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and bin Laden, From the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001. New York: Penguin Press, 2004. ISBN: 0143034669

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 5:05 pm

DUH…
The only person in America who looks more constantly Surprised than FITS, is Nancy Pelosi…and she’s got 15 facelifts as her excuse….LMAO..

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Squishy123 May 11, 2015 at 5:28 pm

You remind me of David Brenner, he would laugh at his own jokes too… when nobody else did.

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 5:39 pm

Liberals are hilarious…but most of you have a STICK up your @$$…You only laugh at the people you hate…

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fc May 11, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Liberals lie.They become more dangerous when they hold power.

Listen to the ENTIRE Michelle Obama commencement speech at Tuskegee this weekend and you will come away with the opinion that Muslim Obama and his wife not only hate America…but are apparently looking to stoke civil unrest of the ugliest kind ,in this great nation, prior to 2016.

May God help us all.

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 6:48 pm

I heard that…WOW…

I think she’s setting up a shield to claim RACISM, when the next president gets in the WH and reveals what a F*#king Mess they have made…

They already know it’s not going to be a Democrat…

And if they can get the media calling any criticism of the Obamas “Racism”…it may intimidate the Republican who is elected…to keeping shut-up about it…

If so, we’ll have another Bush….and the NEW TONE Bull-$#!t…

I think the GOP needs to implement a SCORCHED EARTH policy. TELL EVERYTHING they did to this country. Air it ALL out…..and napalm those bast@ds…like the filthy roaches they are…

fc May 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm

Good points.Israel figured out long ago Obama is the enemy. Obama is so radical that Saudi Arabia and the other ‘gulf’ muslim states don’t even trust him on Iran.

fc May 11, 2015 at 6:58 pm

Nominating Bush would be as bad as Obama-at the ‘tipping’ point we are in America.

Democrats know that and why they are rooting for him.

shifty henry May 11, 2015 at 5:59 pm

Brenner’s books have been given as gifts from me — very clever and very funny. And I’m laughing at GT’s comment….

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Squishy123 May 11, 2015 at 6:08 pm

David Brenner writes books?

Someone buys them?

I bet Christmas is great around your house… “another one of those fucking David Brenner books, the thrift store told me to stop donating them”.

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TroubleBaby May 11, 2015 at 6:43 pm

or maybe something like this, via friend/relative:

“Shifty is such a cheap bastard, I’m going to continue to buy him Brenner books from Dollar General until he “gets it”.”

I keeeeed ole Shifty.

shifty henry May 11, 2015 at 6:49 pm

“If God Wanted Us To Travel” was the only book that I gave as a gift. The folks who received them traveled to Europe and Asia and South America and so forth… they all took the books with them….

FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:21 pm

Yeah shifty. Change your gift buying habits … How about Mark Steyn?

willblogformoney May 11, 2015 at 8:25 pm

“every day you gotta eat a green thing”. I thought he was kind of funny

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FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:20 pm

Yeah Right! Nancy Pelosi is not funny except when She tries to laugh.

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Saldua Rapids May 11, 2015 at 6:08 pm

The only person in America who is more constantly wrong in America than you is…no one. Now this is some sweet justice:

New England Patriots fined $1M.
Tom Brady suspended 4 games.
Team forfeits 1st round pick in 2016 & 4th round pick in 2017.

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fc May 11, 2015 at 6:14 pm

For what? Doing what everybody else in the NFL does?
Brady was suspended because the blacks wanted ‘whitey’ punished the same way Goddell punishes the black murders,rapists,wife beaters and drug users that play in the NFL.

This was no different than what they tried to do to the white officer in Ferguson.

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 7:08 pm

What was I wrong about you ignorant Dumb@$$??…

I never said the NFL would not march in LOCKSTEP w/ liberal America…That’s typical…

As a matter of fact, Brady getting attacked is EXACTLY what I expected…

If the Players Union is not as Racist as you are…it will be appealed down to 2 games…and $500K…we’ll see if the union protects ALL players…or just the ones that look like Obama’s son, if he did not abort the one he had…

It’s absurd to punish a player when you ADMIT you cannot PROVE he did anything wrong…

But w/ LIBERALS, that’s par for the course… and Dumb@$$#$, like you…

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FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:23 pm

I’m suspending the NFL for four weeks. No game watching, no sponsor support, no nothing. … Oh wait!, it’s still pre-pre-season.

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HD May 11, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Seymour Hersh is a loon.

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GrandTango May 11, 2015 at 7:45 pm

Yeah he’s trash and the Clintons are fine honest upstanding Americans. ..LMAO. ..

Watching the liberals love-hate on America’s most corrupt family is going to be GREAT fun…

They’ll self-destruct in the end. Hill will never be able to lie like Bill….

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fc May 11, 2015 at 8:51 pm

not after the grand mal ‘stroke’?…lie I mean…she is trouble my sources tell me in a debate….why they are protecting her…

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Sarah Failin May 11, 2015 at 11:36 pm

You are another one, like Rogue Elephant, who cannot be taken seriously. You say things like “Muslim Obama”, Grand mal stroke, etc., tryin’ to stir the pot. If you want credibility for Repubs, you’re going about in the total wrong way — this just turns people off.

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fc May 12, 2015 at 9:24 am

Right.You voted for Obama 2x. Next.

Bible Thumper May 11, 2015 at 6:24 pm

A lot of holes and illogical aspects to this story. Sy Hersh has recently made other wild claims.
I believe every word of it. It’s Gospel.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32698016

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FastEddy23 May 11, 2015 at 7:08 pm

“… For example, he claims it wasn’t a tortured terrorist detainee who provided U.S. officials with the terrorist mastermind’s whereabouts …”

Uh, that was in the movie.

“… but rather a former Pakistani intelligence officer motivated by the government’s $25 million bounty. Apparently the guy just walked into the U.S. embassy in Islamabad and offered up the information – and collected on a sizable portion of the loot. …”

Uh, that was not in the movie. What was in there was the trade of a new Lamburgini for a telephone number …

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Okay May 11, 2015 at 7:39 pm

Well this is complete BS. In all seriousness, this is so ridiculous, I can’t imagine actually believing this. So many red flags and complete fabrications in Hersh’s story. Good God.

The one about the compound as a jail cell actually made me kackle. Really?

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RogueElephant May 11, 2015 at 8:16 pm

President Bush did all the work and Obummer got the credit.

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fc May 11, 2015 at 8:47 pm

Sir,I just want to thank you for sharing your opinions on ALL subjects…as a fellow conservative, I always learn something from from you…probably need to learn to be a little more respectful,humble and gracious per the ROGUE.

Carry on.

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RogueElephant May 11, 2015 at 10:00 pm

Thank You. We are starting to pick up a few more conservatives on this thread. Welcome one and all.

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grandtangosuglydog May 12, 2015 at 11:10 am

Rogue when Grand asshole/FC?pogp?Emily P start giving you props…its time to rethink what you are saying. Remember hes the idiot who truly thinks the US overthrew IRAN, signs in as a woman on other sites, needs to sign in as others..to congratulate his own comments (how sad is that?) and that he solved the JFK assassination, couldn’t make a dime with a conservative blog..in South Carolina! not to mention endless insults to others cock sucking references and ass fucking comments..Is he really who you want to be associated with?

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RogueElephant May 12, 2015 at 12:38 pm

I stand with Republican Conservatism. Anyone is welcome to come along. Unlike liberals and Dims, we don’t have quotas.

Sarah Failin May 11, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Can you explain what work Bush did? I’ll listen to you if you can support your rhetoric, but the onus is upon you.

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 1:57 am

*i* can!

Bush: Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized…. I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

Q: But don’t you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won’t truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? W: Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

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Southern Patriot May 12, 2015 at 9:22 am

But, but Rogue simpleton says W deserves all the credit and we need to be waterboarding more people. Surely you don’t dispute those facts?

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euwe max May 12, 2015 at 1:52 pm

which facts? That RogueElephant said those things?

RogueElephant May 12, 2015 at 7:32 am

The “enhanced” interrogation used by the Bush Administration got answers. Whether or not the left thinks it or not. Bush wasn’t really worried about UBL as his power and recourses had been decimated by the end of Bush’s presidency. Obummer got UBL , whooptee. The downside was the loss of that really nice helicopter. UBL had been reduced to an old sick man hiding in Pakistan.

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soxinsc May 12, 2015 at 12:53 am

For more than 20 years, Hersch has been a regular contributor to the New Yorker. When given the chance to publish the article, the New Yorker declined, saying it didn’t hold up to scrutiny.

Hersch relied on two “consultants”, a retired Pakistani general who hasn’t been in the intelligence field since the 1990s, and “a retired senior intelligence official who was knowledgeable about the initial intelligence about bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad” to develop his claims. In other words, he got his information from people who wouldn’t have had any first-hand knowledge about how the operation to take OBL down happened.

For someone who was so dogged about uncovering the truths in My Lai and Abu Ghirab, this is ridiculously sloppy work.

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nitrat May 12, 2015 at 9:05 am

So, I guess those Navy SEALS, particularly the one who brought Fox News its highest viewers – 3.5 million – ever when he came on to identify himself as the bin Laden shooter, are just big, fat liars about what happened on the raid?
There will be con-servative heads exploding all over the place: you reflexively buy Hersh’s story to get an excuse to attack Obama, but you have to end up attacking the military who carried out the raid to do it.

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TroubleBaby May 12, 2015 at 9:57 am

“There will be con-servative heads exploding all over the place: you reflexively buy Hersh’s story to get an excuse to attack Obama, but you have to end up attacking the military who carried out the raid to do it.”

Yep! It’s not just the Left pissed off about it(see the NYT’s), it’s the Right too.

Everyone’s false idols are being attacked.

It’s a perfect example of why there’s very little difference between the two parties. They are both statists and God forbid you attack the evil of the State…you’ll be branded many nasty things.

Good for Hersh for doing it.

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Dan Ruck May 12, 2015 at 11:07 am

Bin Laden got killed during Obama’s watch, not any Republican’s. So fuck you!

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west_rhino May 12, 2015 at 11:43 am

Same OBL offered to the Clintons?

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