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Well, Well … More Obamacare Delays

THE LATEST CHAPTER IN AMERICA’S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE TRAGI-COMEDY In case you haven’t noticed U.S. President Barack Obama’s socialized medicine law – a.k.a. “Obamacare” – is what the cool kids call an “epic fail.” Seriously … it’s a disaster in every sense of the word. A face plant. A wipeout. A…

THE LATEST CHAPTER IN AMERICA’S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE TRAGI-COMEDY

In case you haven’t noticed U.S. President Barack Obama’s socialized medicine law – a.k.a. “Obamacare” – is what the cool kids call an “epic fail.”

Seriously … it’s a disaster in every sense of the word. A face plant. A wipeout. A debacle wrapped around a clusterf*ck wrapped around an implosion. The mother of all big government pooch screws …

According to Obama’s promises, the new law was going to lower health insurance premiums and shrink the federal deficit – all while protecting the ability of Americans with coverage to keep their plans (and their doctors).

On every front, the law has turned out to be one big lie … and that’s before we start addressing its colossally botched implementation.

Anyway …

This week marked another head-scratching moment for Obamacare, as the administration announced it was suspending the law’s controversial employer mandate for yet another year.

Mid-sized businesses – i.e. those which employ 50-99 workers – must offer health insurance coverage by 2016 (not 2015). Meanwhile larger businesses – i.e. those employing 100 or more workers – must offer health insurance to 70 percent of their workers beginning in 2015, not 95 percent. That higher threshold has now been pushed back to 2016.

Obamacare’s employer mandates were originally supposed to go into effect this year – but those deadlines were delayed last summer.

“They are making it up as they go along,” we noted at the time.

Ditto … and the employer mandate isn’t the only arbitrary delay, either.

Due to his most famous broken promise, Obama has also had to extend the portion of the law assigning penalties to individuals who fail to purchase health insurance (a shamelessly self-serving effort to shield vulnerable Democrats who are facing challenges in the upcoming 2014 midterm elections).

Wait … how exactly does this work? Doesn’t Congress pass laws and the administration implement them? How is Obama’s administration being permitted to rewrite this law based on its political vulnerabilities?

That’s a good question … one U.S. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) raised months ago.

“The president doesn’t get to write legislation, and it’s illegal and unconstitutional for him to try and change legislation by himself,” Paul said.

We agree … and have said as much.

“We can’t stand Obamacare and welcome any and all delays to its job-killing, deficit-busting, premium-increasing mandates – but the last time we checked it was the job of the executive branch to enforce laws passed by Congress, not arbitrarily rewrite them based on political expedience,” we wrote last July.

Obama’s arbitrary revisions of this law aren’t just unacceptable … they are unconstitutional. The only acceptable solution to addressing the Obamacare disaster is an immediate repeal of the law and refund of all taxes collected pursuant to its implementation.

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136 comments

idiotwind February 11, 2014 at 11:13 am

right! this law is a travesty and will destroy the country! and it should be implemented immediately, without delay or changes! only-this-way-may-we-be-happy

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The Ghost Of Barry Goldwater February 11, 2014 at 6:08 pm

The country hasnt been destroyed yet?I told everybody that was gonna happen if didnt get elected in 1964.You mean its still there?Keep up the good fight Bo ,
Us Conservatives will make sure the damn thing gets destroyed sooner or later!

Damn Libruls!

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Mary February 11, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Republican positions through the years.

Allowing Unions is a travesty and will destroy the country.

Enacting anti-Child labor laws is a travesty and will destroy the country.

Breaking up Monopolies is a travesty and will destroy the country.

The income tax is a travesty and will destroy the country.

The 40 hour work week is a travesty and will destroy the country.

Social Security is a travesty and will destroy the country.

Declaring war on Germany will destroy the country.

Medicare is a travesty and will destroy the country.

What is then next travesty du jour?

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:12 am

Paying taxes is a travesty and will destroy the country.

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shifty henry February 11, 2014 at 11:22 am

Lil’ Benito is a despotic pissant……

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idcydm February 11, 2014 at 11:28 am

Over 2,000 pages of law, 18,000 pages of regulations, we have to pass it to know what is in it and the President has a phone and pen…with the elections on the horizon who did not see this coming?

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Been There... February 11, 2014 at 4:01 pm

A lot like The Patriot Act?

It’s not perfect by any means, but look what we had? …and what were the Repblicans doing to fix healthcare?

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Uh huh February 11, 2014 at 4:10 pm

“A lot like The Patriot Act?”

That’s why everything should be struck down. 1 fuck up doesn’t justify the next one, that’s called insanity.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:11 am

I thought it was called Republican strategy.

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Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 9:58 am

Just because the republicans are fucks ups doesn’t relieve the democrats of not being one. Is that where the bar is set?
“See..they were worse than us!”
We are fucked.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 10:04 am

of course not – choosing the lesser of two evils was never the intention.

I’m a liberal, not an idiot.

Uh huh February 12, 2014 at 12:32 pm

Well quite clearly it’s the liberal strategy as well.

That’s why the whole paradigm is insane.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 12:37 pm

Republicans pull Democrats into the wormhole with them… Democrats have no spine.

Uh huh February 12, 2014 at 1:36 pm

Whatever makes you feel better.

:)

I go with alcohol myself over cognitive dissonance, but both are effective.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 2:37 pm

alcohol?

look what it did to Damned Tango.. try something easier on your system…

like being a liberal.

Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 4:34 pm

I can’t afford that. Can you?

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 5:18 pm

Think about the United States without roads. Would you be for them, or against them?

Extremes=Arguments February 13, 2014 at 9:50 am

Mr. Moh strikes again!

euwe max February 13, 2014 at 12:37 pm

I’m a tower of humility – head and shoulders above the rest … an internet *god*!

Norma Scok February 13, 2014 at 11:48 am

Do you think we need as many roads as we have? And what does that have to do with healthcare? Or really, paying for healthcare? Is healthcare a right?

euwe max February 13, 2014 at 12:35 pm

Do you think we need as many roads as we have?
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How many is too many? How many breaths do we need?

And what does that have to do with healthcare?
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Providing a service for the people.

Or really, paying for healthcare?
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The economy of scale.

Is healthcare a right?
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Do you believe in God?

Mary February 11, 2014 at 4:28 pm

Nothing! That is only a problem for poor people. You know the 48% Romney did not give a crap about.

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idcydm February 11, 2014 at 5:36 pm

I’m no fan of the Patriot Act either, never have been. I sure don’t see Obama changing it with the stroke of a pen like he has the ACA, What were the Republicans doing…pretty much locked out or don’t you remember. Even though they were locked out and not one voted for it they did nothing, this fiasco is just as much their fault as Democrats.

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venomachine February 11, 2014 at 11:30 am

I think LBJ still has Obama beat with the Great Debacle…er…Society.

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Frank Pytel February 11, 2014 at 1:23 pm

Mmmmmm…. Processing

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 11:43 am

In case you haven’t noticed U.S. President Barack Obama’s socialized medicine law – a.k.a. “Obamacare” – is what the cool kids call an “epic fail.”
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man, and it’s a good thing, too – what if it had been a success? OMG! Children… old people… everyone getting health care.. health care costs going down.. Republicans would be raining from the rooftops.

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Kudos! February 11, 2014 at 1:05 pm

At least you admit it’s not working. Part of the twelve step cure is first recognizing you have a problem.

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 1:49 pm

Hello, my name is Max, and I’m a liberal.

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The Colonel February 11, 2014 at 2:31 pm

No Shit MAX!

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm

oh, so you’ve noticed.

JJEvans February 11, 2014 at 3:46 pm

My name is JJ, and I’m Dynomite!

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:10 am

If only you were Chris Rock.

GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 1:50 pm

I bet you deny that Hitler’s soldiers killed millions of Jewish people, too…don’t you?…
The Stupid will NEVER admit the truth, even when they look like total F*@kin Fools, trying to deny.

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 1:52 pm

I bet you deny that Hitler’s soldiers killed millions of Jewish people, too…don’t you?…
The Stupid will NEVER admit the truth, even when they look like total F*@kin Fools, trying to deny.

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Ok, put your money where your pie hole is, dumbass.

How many social security checks do you want to wager? I’ll take that dog, too.

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The Colonel February 11, 2014 at 2:31 pm

At best, maybe, possibly 30,000,000 people will get insurance under “Obummmer Care” and many of those had other coverage available to them. If the “utes” don’t start signing up soon, no one is going to have any coverage and we’ll all be broke.

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Kudos! February 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm

Nice My Cousin Vinny reference.

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 3:21 pm

I put Munster cheese on my giraffe neckbone and collard green sandwich.

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Kudos! February 11, 2014 at 3:31 pm

It took me a while and a google to get that reference.

Smirks February 12, 2014 at 8:56 am

Add 6 million that would be covered if the GOP didn’t reject Medicaid expansions that are 9/10ths paid for by the feds.

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major major February 12, 2014 at 10:58 am

Well if it’s paid by the feds that means it’s free, right?

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Scooter February 12, 2014 at 5:35 pm

99% will default on the first premium payment. Of course, Bozo will give them a lifetime grace period.

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The Colonel February 13, 2014 at 1:09 am

Shhh, don’t mess with the liberal mantra that the Republicans are the only thing that will cause Obummercare the Affordable Care Act to fail. Never mind that for half the cost they could have expanded Medicare to cover about the same number.

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Mike at the Beach February 11, 2014 at 3:38 pm

C’mon bro! The the old “if you oppose this law you hate widows and orphans, and you kick puppies” tactic? You’re usually sharper than that! I think the vast majority of people of all political stripes want everyone to have access to health care, but smart folks know that Obamacare was an assed-up way to go about getting a relatively small sliver of the populace a doc. Hell, it would almost be cheaper at this point just to have bought everyone a policy, or thrown them into Medicaid… That would have made the single-payer crowd happy! One step closer…

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 5:51 pm

They already HAD doctors. They get better care than the paying public. They show up at the ER, and they could not be turned down. They go to ERs because they are the kind of people who do not have enough responsibility to plan. And we have paid exponentially for that…

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SCBlueWoman February 11, 2014 at 6:39 pm

Poor people don’t have the MONEY it takes to plan. I think many are responsible and simply trying to survive. Bless your heart.

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Most liberals live in Ivory Towers. It seems you’ve never been to an ER or talked to an ER doctor…

Poor people, even illegals, in America, don’t need money to go to the doctor. Working people do…

But stupid people, or either liars, are always spreading myths that keep democrat politicians lording over poverty, while you feed your Greed.

Labor Finders™ February 11, 2014 at 7:27 pm

YOU don’t need to worry then, broke ass hypocrite.

William February 12, 2014 at 8:57 am

I have had a problem finding Ivory lately. My tower needs some repair work. Since you are a Republican you probably have no issues with killing endangered species, do you have a source of Ivory.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:37 am

Where does the ER get the money? Does the hospital have to increase costs for that?

Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 9:52 am

Obviously. But what is the comparative costs between insuring the 10% of people who went to the ER for a cold, and the new, fixed it all “Obamacare”? I haven’t seen that comparison yet, but I have a pretty good idea which is cheaper.
Rather than fixing just the problem of the folks who didn’t have medical care, we went and broke the whole damn thing. Smart.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 11:26 am

Republicans blocked single payer. What is wrong with treating people’s bodies like cars, and requiring insurance? Insurance companies would rather not insure bad drivers, but it works.

We spend trillions for defense of our bodies when the enemy is 19 Saudis, but we shrink from health care?

Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 1:57 pm

How could the gov’t paying for healthcare as single payer possibly be any better? You complain about spending for the military; what will the government do with healthcare spending with an open checkbook? We are already broke, and living on a credit card.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 2:38 pm

How could the gov’t paying for healthcare as single payer possibly be any better?

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Think military, roads, the internet.

Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 4:30 pm

With O-care costing 2 trillion plus dollars and 2.5 million jobs, I think we already see the enemy.

anon. February 14, 2014 at 2:57 pm

By “responsibility to plan” he means, study in school, work your way through college and get a good paying job with benefits.
SCBlueWoman, why are poor people poor?

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:36 am

You can’t get cancer treatment at the ER… nor treatment for mental illness.

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SCBlueWoman February 12, 2014 at 10:30 am

ER just has to stabilize and send you home. They do not have to admit you even if it’s needed. Revolving door medicine, then death.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 11:11 am

stabilize and send you home.

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that’s the law, alright. stabilize and release.

euwe max February 11, 2014 at 7:15 pm

if you oppose this law you hate widows and orphans, and you kick puppies” tactic?

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oh, no.. not me. I’m more the “If you’re a Republican, you prey on widows and orphans, and kick puppies” kind of guy.

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William February 12, 2014 at 9:21 am

Actually pray is a little strong. Step over their bodies in the street, no doubt.

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Wiliam February 12, 2014 at 9:23 am

Excuse me I intended to say prey. But since we are talking about Republicans it probably works either way.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 10:02 am

pray “on” the poor. Sounds better.

SCBlues February 12, 2014 at 8:06 pm

A classic Freudian slip!

Smirks February 12, 2014 at 8:51 am

I think the vast majority of people of all political stripes want everyone to have access to health care

Absolutely disagree with that one.

*Dozens of Repeal/Defund/Delay with no replacement/fix attached.
*General obstructionism with changes to the law.
*Refusal to run exchanges.
*State refusal to expand Medicaid with only facing 1/10th the cost of the expansion, resulting in 5-6 million people not getting covered.
*Nothing but negative outlooks with little to no positive changes to address issues offered.

In regards to the first point, I will concede that Republicans did offer a plan fairly recently, although considering it undoes some of the greatest provisions of Obamacare, such as a ban on preexisting conditions, I absolutely can’t support it. Still, fair enough, they did finally, seriously offer a replacement.

Republicans don’t want everyone to have access to health care, their rhetoric alone shows that. In order to afford everyone some form of health care access, you can’t honestly pretend that high risk pools, free clinics, and emergency rooms are an acceptable means to those ends, that those “solutions” actually work even to an acceptable degree.

As for Obamacare, you are correct, it is not the best way to achieve those ends either, but I do believe it is an improvement. Unfortunately, the bill lacks proper cost controls, including a public option that could offer competition, especially in states like SC where the options are slim.

The best way to cover just about everyone is to embrace actual universal health care reform. The best way to do that in America, IMO, is to open up Medicare to any working adult that holds a full-time job or works the equivalent in hours. Medicaid can be made available to those who work less than full-time. Insurance would ideally be entirely optional.

Universal health care absolutely requires government intervention, and a party that openly declares it wants to be able to drown government in a bathtub has zero interests in providing that. Because of that, we will not have universal health care, will be dragged kicking and screaming to the closest semblance of reform to pass, the ACA, we will still lag behind a HUGE number of civilized countries that do have such health care, including countries the right wing declares as having more “economic freedom,” and our health care spending per capita will leave every other country on the planet in the dust, will not really have any better standing in quality than many other countries, and will still have a large portion of the populace that won’t even have access to it anyways.

We are paying out the nose for inferior health care because the system itself is broken. Obamacare’s failing is that it didn’t fundamentally change the system, it instead tried to make a broken system work just a tiny bit more acceptably. I can’t think of any other country that tolerates the bullshit system we have, and for good reason.

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 5:47 pm

Guess what: ALL Children, Old People and everyone GOT healthcare BEFORE Obamacare, Dumb@$$…

Even illegals could not be TURNED down for healthcare. Even if they waited until their free doctors were closed because they were to lazy to go…they clog our ERs….

Under Obamacare the people who WORK to secure insurance are being told they can no longer get healthcare…while others are being grouped into care plans on the same level as those who don’t care about healthcare, except until they are FORCED to the doctor by pain or suffering. (the ER cloggers)…

And the investment-minded people paying, are paying three to four times more, for that inferior, non-investment-level healthcare…Dumb!@$$..

Obamacare is a FAILURE. It makes even the old VERY FLAWED (by democrats) system look like an A-1 plan….

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euwe max February 11, 2014 at 7:14 pm

Guess what: ALL Children, Old People and everyone GOT healthcare BEFORE Obamacare, Dumb@$$…

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Bzzz! Sorry.. well, what do we have for the contestant anyway, Rod?

We have the Price is Right game by Milton Bradley!

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RogueElephant February 12, 2014 at 10:48 am

Actually the Republicans have a much better plan than Obamacare. It is health care savings accounts. They would cover everyone, cost much less and the biggie is the ins. cos. wouldn’t be the controlling factor in the system. The individual would make his own decisions as to what they needed and how much they were willing to pay. The ins. cos. are going to make a ,mint off this crap and the taxpayer will get stuck with the whole bill. SSDD. Just another case of : follow the money.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 11:09 am

Actually the Republicans have a much better plan than Obamacare.

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of course they do. What really chaps my ass is that Republicans don’t follow that plan and kill themselves.

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Tom February 14, 2014 at 3:54 pm

Surely Republicans do not believe this crap. What good are health care savings accounts for people who are poor. What about people who can’t get insurance. Are these the people Republicans are willing to let die. Are these the 48% who Romney was not concerned about. Republicans have no plan that does not ignore the problem of poor people and people who cannot get insurance. In short Republicans have no plan at all that does not involve letting people who cannot afford health care die.

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RogueElephant February 14, 2014 at 9:45 pm

That is the only thing about Health Care Savings Accts. that is not great. A provision is made to make up the difference between what a person makes and what it costs. Like the earned income tax credit it would make up the difference. Even with that give away part it would be much less expensive than Obummercare and would leave the individual in charge of their own health care not the govt. (death panels)

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Tom February 17, 2014 at 10:20 am

Oh I see the Fake News Network death panels are back. There is only one wanna be death panel, and that’s the Republican party who thinks we should decide who gets health care based on how rich you are.
Once again your earned income credit tax credit is just more of the same. What about people who do not earn enough to pay tax: and for the billionth time what about people who can’t get insurance? Lets face it Republicans don’t give a damn about anyone except rich people.
America has the worst health care system in the first world. It is even worse than many third world countries. Our people pay more for health care than anyone in the world and our results are mediocre at best. We live shorter less healthy lives than all of Europe, Canada, and Australia. We even live shorter lives than Cubans. Yet Republicans don’t care about that. They just want lower taxes.

BrigidBernadette February 17, 2014 at 10:46 am

Gawd, you are dumb. Every single thing is you say is incorrect, wrong, or a lie. Put down Paul Krugman and join the land of the living.

Tom February 17, 2014 at 4:20 pm

Turn off the Fake News Network, Rush Limbaugh, and Glen Beck and do the research yourself.

Jan February 17, 2014 at 4:33 pm

Actually Tom you are correct about Europe, Canada and Australia and there are a lot more. However, you are slightly off on Cuba. According to the World Health Organization, the US ranks 35 in life expectancy and Cuba ranks 38th. A US citizen could expect to live 4 months longer than a Cuban Citizen. Still, pretty pathetic. Given Cuba is an isolated third world country.

And I think you assessments of Republican plans is very on target.

Smirks February 11, 2014 at 11:46 am

I for one don’t think the mandate should be delayed.

If you don’t like that he’s delaying it, take him to court. See if the courts will rule in your favor and force him to enforce it. Something tells me none of the Republicans bitching will do that.

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CL February 11, 2014 at 1:25 pm

That would be a great idea but for a pesky little concept called standing.

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Bill February 11, 2014 at 6:07 pm

Anyone who can show injury has standing.

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CL February 11, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Thanks for the tautology. Now how about addressing the overwhelming authority against being able to rely on generalized harm as a taxpayer or citizen?

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Uh huh February 11, 2014 at 7:10 pm

I’d love to be able to walk into a court, suing the IRS and say “Taxes are harming me.”

Not only could I prove my case beyond a reasonable doubt, the damages would be stupendous.

Alas you are right, it wouldn’t even make it past a preliminary.

Tom February 14, 2014 at 4:02 pm

Undoubtedly you could not prove your case unless you don’t use anything taxes pay for. It is always a joke to me that Republicans believe they could do better than the Government in spending the taxes they pay. I would love for people to be able to opt out of all taxes, with the understanding they cannot use one thing their taxes pay for.

Should of bought my JD February 11, 2014 at 10:25 pm

CL, since corporations are being treated largely as individiauls – I’m being serious from a legal stand point and not throwing out pick up lines from the last election – could an equal protection argument be made since actual human individuals are being forced to pay a penalty THIS year for less than 9 months of coverage, but businesses/corp type individuals get a free pass? I think that could get you to standing. And this would prop it up for strict scrutiny, as opposed to simply a rational basis analysis.

CL February 12, 2014 at 7:43 am

If a law is forcing you to do something (e.g. provide contraceptive coverage against your religious beliefs), you have standing to challenge the constitutionality of that law as applied to you. But this is the opposite situation, where Obama is unilaterally exempting people from a requirement. So either you would have businesses trying to sue over not being subject to the mandate, which is hard to call an injury, or an individual complaining about some other group getting special treatment, which is just generalized taxpayer standing.

Should have bought my JD February 12, 2014 at 1:39 pm

CL, I have to respectfully disagree. Two issues here – I think you are conflating the standing and damages issues. If you have to pay the fine, then you are damages and have a potential grievance for redress – the unequal protection aspect of it is still possible even if you are not protected class.
First, the law – and the ACA clearly permit different treatment individual (which now includes corps) based on one’s level of income. However, there is a strong severability component of this. Keep in mind when upholding Obama care, the Sup. Ct. gave it a “wait and see type of approach” wherein they stated, “some states of have said they might not expand medicad” but none had opted out of the expansion – at that time – now well over 20 states did opt out. The other thing the court reasoned was that the expanded opportunity through a) tax credits/reimbursements b) expanded medicad, and c) opportunities through companies that wil “have to comply” with this Act are going to be enough to where people don’t fall through the cracks.
So for instance, if you are a person who makes too much money to get a tax incentive, or in a state that didn’t expand Medicaid (and you would have otherwise come under the expansion) AND you also work for an employer with 50-99 employees that got a pass this year, and you get fined; I think you have a pretty compelling case to challenge the executive fiat of the law. This also would permit a re-consideration of the severability arguments raised by the Solicitor Gen. prevoiusly.
“Well no your honors, if you sever any part of this law, it would be disasterous like we argued before – unless of course it’s the parts we are chosing to ‘self sever.'”
The equal protection point was just one possible argument, which I think is still valid even if you are not in a protected class, as one individual (corps.) are getting to no abide by the law, and forgo the fine, where as other individuals (people) are being forced to abide by the law, but not pay a fine.
As my super smart lawyer friend say, I think this is one that would be best answered by a judge.

CL February 12, 2014 at 5:01 pm

I am not conflating anything; a particularized injury is required to have standing. And setting aside the problems with showing the groups are similarly situated, heightened scrutiny is never applied unless a protected class or right is at issue. Not paying a tax is not, and I would predict, will never be a protected right.

I should have bought a JD February 12, 2014 at 5:17 pm

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CL, again, I am not talking about the companies that are not paying a tax – nor the citizens that ARE paying premimums (which are now considered taxes) I am talking about persons who have to pay the penalty/fine – if they have to do so becuase they are not able to get it through their employer who otherwise would have had to apply. Also, I just noted that strict scruity could apply considering how the suit was brought. I would disagree agree with you that strict scruity can apply to things that are not just for protected classes. Such as impedments on fundamental rights, and if a particular statute actaully took aim direclty at a class which was not considered protected e.g. white males, or a just an ex post facto law in general. Again, I am a lowly barriaster who practices here pro hac vicci (sp?) so I’ll leave the constituational law to you yanks, but I disagree with you on this point. Which is might right as a non-American. Ha! Nice chatting with you

CL February 13, 2014 at 7:34 am

It’s not the premiums that are considered taxes. I understand who the potential plaintiff is in your hypothetical. The fine is the only “tax”, and they can’t maintain a claim about a non-similarly situated group being treated differently. Also, I noted several times that you need a protected class OR a protected right, neither of which would be present here under current precedent.

CL to the rescue February 13, 2014 at 12:18 pm

CL you clarified something for me that I didn’t realize from the court’s opinion. I thought they upheld the premiums under the taxing authority of Congress and that the premiums were allowed to be regulated as ‘taxes’ similar to medicare withholdings.

CL February 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm

Premiums are paid to the insurance company, not the treasury. The fine for not having insurance was what was construed as a tax:”The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.”

should have bought my JD February 13, 2014 at 5:06 pm

CL I disagree with you and the other person who now agrees with you that the premiums are not considered permissable under the taxing authority of the Cons but I also doubt we’ll convince each other either way OR that it would make a damn bit of difference if we did….

William February 12, 2014 at 9:30 am

Are you suggesting there is generalized harm to taxpayers in delaying implementation?

CL February 12, 2014 at 11:53 am

No.

Uh huh February 12, 2014 at 1:34 pm

Nah, he’s making the case for discrimination, which is normally a left leaning agenda more than a right driven one…which is interesting because if it actually happened the hypocrisy would be fun to watch.

CL February 12, 2014 at 4:56 pm

I did not make any case other than that standing is still required in our legal system.

GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm

Remember: This Der Fuhrer Obama is packing the courts w/ liberal activists instead of judges.

We’re going to have a BIG BIG mess to clean up when we get it back…better have a strong stomach if you run as an R.

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2+2 really doesn't equal 4 February 11, 2014 at 1:04 pm

I can’t believe that taxing people who can’t afford insurance and making legislative overrides to a 18,000 pages of regulation via Diktat isn’t working.

Instead of delays don’t we just need more Diktat’s until the central planning starts to work?

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 1:23 pm

FITS..you had the chance to join us, and warn everybody way back when. But you attacked Obama’s enemies instead.

I told you so, and you castigated me for it. So I don’t want to hear you whine now. Obama is because of you…and I hope he bends your ignorant @$$ over..and REAMS OUT you, Ron Paul, Lindsay, Sanford and Gary Johnson, like he paid your pimps for the whole night.

You are as much to blame for this hateful @$$-hole in chief…as anyone…

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Smirks February 12, 2014 at 9:02 am

Join you? Join what? The dark dumb side?

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GrandTango February 12, 2014 at 10:51 am

Your side gave us Obamacare….Dumb!$$…and you’re calling someone else Dumb?

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Miss Henry February 12, 2014 at 1:47 pm

There’s no need for the capitalization of “dumb”

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GrandTango February 12, 2014 at 3:00 pm

It’s your Name, Dumb@$$. Don’t you capitalize your name???

Miss Henry February 12, 2014 at 4:22 pm

…@$$ are not letters of the alphabet.

Miss Henry February 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm

Name isn’t capitalized in that context either, although someone’s name is, Dipshit.

This just in. . . February 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm

Rand Paul: Hillary Could Be Derailed by Little-Known Lewinsky Affair

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — Potential Republican Presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) said today that he believes he has a “secret weapon” that will derail Hillary Clinton’s 2016 White House bid: “A little-known affair between her husband and a White House intern, Monica Lewinsky.”

Appearing on the Fox News Channel, Paul told the host Sean Hannity, “Sean, when the American people find out about this scandal, they are going to be shocked, truly shocked. It didn’t get a lot of coverage at the time.”

Asked by Hannity how the scandal could have remained under wraps for so long, Paul replied, “You’ll have to ask Bill and Hillary that. Let’s just say they’ve pulled a lot of strings to keep this story out of the mainstream media.”

“Unfortunately for them, Sean, I have the details on this juicy scandal and I’m prepared to share them with the American people,” he said. “I think it’s going to be a game-changer.”

While he believes that the shocking revelations about President Clinton’s Oval Office dalliances will be enough to destroy Hillary’s 2016 ambitions, Paul confirmed that he has other arrows in his quiver.

“It turns out that Hillary was involved in a business deal called Whitewater,” he said. “When the American people find out about this, it’s going to blow their minds.”

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Scootr February 11, 2014 at 1:47 pm

Huma?

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SCBlueWoman February 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm

He’s daft!

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Left leaning Man February 11, 2014 at 2:06 pm

Dems support the female agenda as long as their females understand their place, which is to service men when necessary and be tolerant of our manly ways-tolerance being a staple of the Left.

That includes swearing, fucking other women than the one’s they are “with”, drinking (wine if you’re prof, beer if you are union), and generally behaving like an ape with an advanced frontal cortex because we all believe in evolution anyway.

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Left leaning Man February 12, 2014 at 1:35 pm

I actually measure my degree of success on this site based on how many “thumbs down” I receive.

I feel honored.

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 3:08 pm

Thanks Lame Cliche…I love seeing who yall attack, because it shows who scares the $#!* out of you…and with that nasty hag you MUST run in 2016 (you owe her) you should be terrified.

Rand will get enough Dumb@$$ liberal-tarians because of his nutjob dad..and us Conservatives LOVE him because – from what I’ve seen- he is soundly, no questions, one of us..

And unlike Liberal-Tarians McCain and Romeny, Paul will P!$$ all over the democrat candidate, no matter what race or gender, then BEG the media to come after him…When you go on Offense, Conservatives WIN…liberals are not used to a real fight, vs people better, smarter and more successful, than them.

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Why I Left The GOP February 11, 2014 at 3:56 pm

Hag…Race…Gender…this is why the racist, bigoted GOPigs are havng such a hard time getting their shit together…Thank you for sharing.

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GrandTango February 11, 2014 at 6:09 pm

Getting it together. The GOP has the most representative portion of the federal gov’t..and they just defeated Obama’s immigration scheme…

And when the 2014 elections roll around, all signs are signaling the GOP getting the Senate, to even more crack the @$$ of your ignorant and failed gods in the democrat party…

So go on playing the “ism” card…that mo-fo has all but played out…especially if you don’t run a token-novelty in 2014….

PS: Are you claiming Hillary is NOT a hag???…you are a Dumb@$$…and a majority of America likely agrees…

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:35 am

*still* no female genitalia analogies?

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:35 am

No cunnilingus imagery? You only do gay sex analogies of sucking off black guys?

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SCBlueWoman February 12, 2014 at 10:32 am

He’s okay with the lesbians, just saying.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 11:10 am

Sounds like he’s ok with the gays too! He’s *always* thinking of new ways to pair male mouths with dicks.

shifty henry February 11, 2014 at 10:30 pm

Whitewater is old news, but it reveals how corrupt she truly is. If the story is re-revealed in detail it shows what a lowlife she and her cohort are.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:34 am

If the story is re-revealed in detail

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It’ll probably increase support by Republicans, and destroy America.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:33 am

Wait until they find out about the “vast right-wing conspiracy!”

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Jay Ellington February 11, 2014 at 3:54 pm

What do you expect from the same guy that’s failed to ever turn in a budget on time?

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 9:32 am

Republican Presidents ALWAYS turn in their budgets on time, or else it would be a travesty, and destroy the United States.

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Jay Ellington February 12, 2014 at 3:16 pm

Always talking about old shit. That’s why we are such a stagnate society. Enjoy your extra helping of status quo with that attitude Max.

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euwe max February 12, 2014 at 3:20 pm

I know.. talking about turning in budgets on time has that new shit smell we’re all looking for.

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Jay Ellington February 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm

At least it’s effing current there, buddy roe.

euwe max February 12, 2014 at 5:19 pm

so how current do I have to be to pass through your needle?

Scooter February 12, 2014 at 5:44 pm

The dumb ass does not know what one is. He is and has always been on the government teat and does not have to worry about it.

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IVEBEENHACKED February 11, 2014 at 8:35 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mkg72Z17Fc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hey they should have run on the same ticket…so much alike..Lol

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west_rhino February 12, 2014 at 10:13 am

and in other corners, one more constituency doesn’t eve get kissed, as Louisana’s BCBS is having, under Obamacare’s esoteric and unintended rules, to curtail HIV/AIDS patients policies…
butt if you can’t read it til you approve it, stuff happens.

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Scooter February 12, 2014 at 2:40 pm

Get off your fat asses and go to work. I worked for over 40 yrs. and never had any problem finding a job. I might not have liked some of them, but i worked, saved some money and bought my own insurance or had my employer pay for it (in reality, I paid for it.) You damn libs took vacations at every opportunity, bought new cars, smoked your pot , drank your spirits and ate yourselves into obesity. Now you want to complain. I say help only those who are in dire need and screw the rest.

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Skinny Lib February 12, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Is that the reason Red States have the highest obesity rates? …oh, don’t let me forget how hard people like the Kochs work to keep it stupid…

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Scooter February 12, 2014 at 5:41 pm

Red states or blue states, they are have their share of dumb f=offs who can’t see through barb wire.

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Tom February 14, 2014 at 4:04 pm

You certainly seem to prove that point.

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euwe max February 13, 2014 at 1:46 am

Get off your fat asses and go to work. I worked for over 40 yrs. and never had any problem finding a job.

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Yeah! When I was growing up, gas was less than a dollar a gallon! We would *never* have stood for 3 dollar gas – you pussies!

And I would have been *delighted* to find a job at $5.00 an hour… even a manufacturing job!!!

And we didn’t need a computer to run an assembly line, or give investment advice!

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Norma Scok February 12, 2014 at 4:37 pm

All these posts and not one questioning the article above–How does Obama have the right to change the law indiscriminately?

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Everyone gave up February 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm

Everyone pretty much knows it’s bullshit and the Constitution is such a giant fail now nothing really surprises anyone.

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euwe max February 13, 2014 at 1:45 am

*Now* you’re talking!

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idcydm February 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Don’t you remember, at the very beginning, what he said to John McCain, “I won”.

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