Bad Omen For The Pope

“THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE … WHEN DOVES CRY” Two children standing alongside Pope Francis threw white doves from the window of the Apostolic Palace this week in a gesture of peace … only to see the defenseless birds attacked by a sea gull and a black crow. The…


Two children standing alongside Pope Francis threw white doves from the window of the Apostolic Palace this week in a gesture of peace … only to see the defenseless birds attacked by a sea gull and a black crow.

The pope – who has stumbled badly on politics and theology during his first year – was giving a prayer for peace in the Ukraine when the birds were released.  But the Vatican’s “Angry Birds” weren’t picking up the non-violent vibes.  One of them pinned a dove against the wall of the palace and repeatedly pecked at, while the other attacked a dove as it fluttered near a windowsill.

Both birds managed to escape … seemingly uninjured (with the exception of a few ruffled feathers).

The release of peace doves at the Vatican has been an exercise in futility of late.  In 2012, the doves released from the window actually flew back into the Apostolic Palace.

We can’t blame them. It’s a tough, tough world …

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TontoBubbaGoldstein January 27, 2014 at 9:31 pm

Where da white birds at?

Slartibartfast January 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Why, Rhett! How many times have I told you to wash up after a dove beatin’..?

The Heretic January 27, 2014 at 9:51 pm

The Pope needs to lecture the bird population to promote sharing and equality.

I’m sure that will solve the problem.

euwe max January 28, 2014 at 12:09 am

Norman Rockwell’s paintings are only paint deep.

Evil is not affected by platitudes.

MashPotato January 28, 2014 at 2:14 am

Thanks, Obama.

CL January 28, 2014 at 8:19 am

The pope – who has stumbled badly on politics and theology during his first year …”

Based upon what? His economics are clearly confused, but I could argue he has had a brilliant year as a politician. He is a doctrinaire* Catholic Pope who was named Time Man of the Year based really on how he frames his message.

* Despite the wishful thinking from the Left, Francis has affirmed Catholic teachings on homosexuality and abortion. I would be interested in any specific examples of statements he made that are contrary to church teachings (as opposed to liberal assumptions about church teachings). The ones that have generated enough controversy to reach me as a non-Catholic are framed to appeal to non-religious audiences to be sure, but they are not incorrect.

cuvinny January 28, 2014 at 10:39 am

“His economics are clearly confused”

What is the Pope confused about? Trickle down economics is horse shit, which is what the Pope said

CL January 28, 2014 at 2:37 pm

Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other force in history. So his whole frame of reference is wrong when he views capitalism as a problem to be contained rather than a positive force that needs to be protected from anti-competitive elements. But for more specific errors he makes, see the linked article.

SamAdams2010 January 28, 2014 at 3:42 pm

Capitalism did nothing to bring the people out of poverty. People did things to bring themselves out of poverty. Some cronies were able to take a piece of that work. They are called your lord and master. Lay low and worship them.

CL January 28, 2014 at 4:31 pm

Communism has been a spectacular, unquestioned failure, yet this type of pseudo-Marxist drivel continues. Feudal societies and Communist societies were all are made up of people and were marked by widespread poverty. Yet capitalist societies enjoy a unique prosperity, raising the standard of living of everyone. So you must be saying the capitalist societies have a better class of people?

SamAdams2010 January 28, 2014 at 5:55 pm

Ok. Communism has been a spectacular failure. Capitalistic societies are made up of poor people and marked by widespread poverty too. If that is your criteria for judging economic theories, capitalism is an economic failure too. Hegal and Marxism are a framework to understand economic conflict.

CL January 28, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Capitalist countries have the highest standard of living in human history (i.e. the least poverty ever). So, with apologies to Churchill, capitalism is the worst form of economics, except for all the other forms of economics that have ever been tried. If you expect something better than what capitalism can provide, then I’m afraid you’ll have to hope for the kingdom of heaven.

JJEvans January 30, 2014 at 3:51 pm

I once attended an event in which an immigrant from India was one of the keynote speakers. He said when he arrived in the United States he had $10 to his name. He had become a successful businessman and multi-millionaire through hard work. His said someone from his homeland asked him what it was like to be a second class citizen. His reply was that he didn’t see himself as a second class citizen, but if that were the case he would rather be a second class citizen in America than the king of any other country. He also said, in his exact words, “if you can’t make it in America you may as well give up.” There is no better country in the world for someone to be successful that America. To have anything in a communist country you have to be in government. Last I heard people weren’t building rafts to go to Cuba. Fuck communism, socialism, and any other from of government that takes the power from the individual and gives it to the government. And it’s sad that many people in our own country won’t step up to the plate and take personal responsibility for their own lives.

Bill January 30, 2014 at 6:26 pm

Communism and Socialism are economic systems not a form of government. There are no real Communist countries any more.

Tom January 29, 2014 at 4:11 pm

Communism has been a failure as has laissez-faire Capitalism. Capitalism has not brought people out of poverty. In fact unbridled Capitalism has enslaved and oppressed more people than any other force in history, and “Feudal Societies” are Capitalist Societies in their near purest form.

Democracy and education have brought more people out of poverty than any other forces in history.

As with every so called American “conservative” I know you commingle and confuse our political system and our economic system. In the process you attribute to our economic system benefits derived from our political system. .

CL January 29, 2014 at 7:38 pm

Wow. The economic illiteracy is strong in this thread. This feels like the late night stoner dorm room BS, if your local community college had dorms.

Tom January 30, 2014 at 9:51 am

So from my comment all you saw was an after thought about feudalism you obviously did not understand. Typical Republican response. Rather than address the difficult issues attack the speaker. Call them dumb or partisan or whatever name you want to call them today. But for god sakes don’t address the issue. People might figure out you either don’t know what you are talking about or they really don’t agree with you. i.e. the Karl Rove strategy to protect Bush.

By the way despite, all of its Renaissance and post Renaissance pomp and glory, feudalism, arose from war lords selling protection services and mercenaries to the highest bidder.

CL January 30, 2014 at 3:09 pm

Feudalism is a caste system with no social mobility (or physical mobility, for that matter, if you are a serf tied to the piece of land you were born on) or ability to barter for goods and services because you are locked into your social obligations. If you need any further explanation why it is incompatible with capitalism, I don’t know what to tell you other than capitalism’s biggest critic, Karl Marx, knew the difference between the two.

CL January 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm

I am not sure what difficult issue you think I am avoiding. If you are talking about your attempt to attribute all of the economic prosperity of capitalist countries to their political systems, then I think you are the one who is confused. I don’t know how else to describe the argument that economic prosperity has no connection to a country’s economic system.
There is an interesting interplay between politics and economics, but it does not really help your attempts to downplay the causal role capitalism has had in our prosperity. Capitalism does require a political system that protects individual property rights. So I would agree that democracy is a NECESSARY condition for the type of widespread reduction of poverty in modern capitalist countries, but it is not a SUFFICIENT one. We certainly can and have had democratic societies without economic freedom or widespread prosperity (see ancient Athens).

Tom January 30, 2014 at 7:45 pm

I never made the argument that economic prosperity had no connection to the economic system. You made the argument that capitalism, our economic system, brought people out of poverty. I simply disagree. It is the political system, properly curbing the capitalist economic system that brings widespread prosperity. Capitalism certainly plays a roll in prosperity but it does not cause widespread prosperity or freedom.
Unbridled, capitalist would exploit and enslave people as they did for most of the 18th and 19th centuries. In a pure capitalist society everything is for sale, especially the government, and people. It is the Political System that has to temper the nature of capitalism to achieve wide spread prosperity. Otherwise a few people become Plutocrats and control everything.
I don’t think America could be great without capitalism, but I don’t credit capitalism with freedom or widespread prosperity. That comes from democracy and an educated population. Because without those laws only favor the rich and powerful.
As for ancient Athens, what makes you think their society was not the product of a largely capitalist economic system?

CL January 31, 2014 at 7:41 am

“I never made the argument that economic prosperity had no connection to the economic system.”

Actually you did. You said “Capitalism has not brought people out of poverty.” You then attributed prosperity to political forces.

I guess it is progress of a sort that you now give some grudging credit to the economic system. But you still are making dime store communist critiques of capitalism. Capitalism made the US, a country founded by the outcasts and peasants of other nations, the largest economy in the world by the end of the 19th century. Capitalism is in conflict with slavery, and is the driving force that led to the elimination of slavery in the world, and certainly in this country.

And there is a serious threat of big business getting in bed with government to tilt the scales in its favor, but it should be fairly obvious that is a subversion of capitalism rather than a realization of it. Capitalism requires free competition. The proper role of government is to prevent anti-competitive behavior like this (rent seeking, writing regulations to impose daunting compliance costs on smaller competitors, etc.), not to facilitate it. When politicians and big business work together to fix the game, it is no different than competitors forming a cartel. It is all anti-competitive and hostile to a capitalist system.

Not only are you wrong that this type of behavior is in any sense fundamental to capitalism, it is an ironic criticism from the left given that this type of corporatism is central to progressive economic thought these days. As this HuffPo blogger puts it, Obama is the “most fully realized” corporatist candidate of recent political history.

JJEvans January 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm

The left bitches about capitalism because it requires a person to take personal responsibility for their life (and usually hard work) to be successful. Some people would rather bitch about how everyone is holding them back and why they can’t succeed rather than try.

Bill January 30, 2014 at 6:33 pm

No one bitches about Capitalism. People bitch about what some capitalist do to other people with their wealth. Or when they try to buy Government with their wealth. Americans are the hardest working people in the world they are not afraid of work.
And who exactly is bitching about being held back? Give me a specific example. All I hear is the right bitching about people not wanting to work, but then can’t really find that many people who do not work. Most of the people who receive government assistance are working poor. Most of the people who do not work are either too old to work, too sick to work or they are Republican politicians, like Mark Sanford and Mick Mulvaney.

Craig's List January 28, 2014 at 12:26 pm

Hey, ClueLess…please stop with the bullshit.

CL January 28, 2014 at 2:40 pm

So it is your position that his theology is shaky? Please elaborate.

Yelsewh January 28, 2014 at 6:43 pm

“The pope – who has stumbled badly on politics and theology during his first year”

Given that you know almost nothing about the former and even less about the latter, Pope Francis should take that as a compliment.

Thomas January 28, 2014 at 10:26 pm

I am a practicing catholic (when I am not sinning) and question openly, is this pope even a validly ordained priest? This guy is going to be a fucking disaster for the Church.


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