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Letter: Whither Bar Exam Results?

Dear Editor, Of the fifty states who gave bar exams in July 2013, only twelve have not posted their results. South Carolina is one of those states. New York and California are always the last two states to post – but on their judicial websites they indicate results will be…

Dear Editor,

Of the fifty states who gave bar exams in July 2013, only twelve have not posted their results. South Carolina is one of those states. New York and California are always the last two states to post – but on their judicial websites they indicate results will be posted no later than November 1, 2013. Nevada, Georgia and Virginia, meanwhile, have stated that their results will be posted next week.

Wyoming? It changed its format and gets a break. Meanwhile Michigan has one of the toughest bar exams and is always late.

One online pundit wrote there are more bison in South Dakota than law students and they have no excuse.

So that leaves South Carolina, Massachusetts and Maryland.

Why is South Carolina’s Supreme Court so secretive and so late with the July 2013 bar exam results?

Will the passing percentage for the Charleston School of Law (CSOL) make a difference in the College of Charleston possbily purchasing the school? Will the passing percentage impact its accreditation? Is S.C. Chief Justice Jean Toal trading passing rates for votes in her campaign to deny fellow justice Costa Pleicones a term as the chief?

The South Carolina Supreme Court determines who passes the bar and who does not. How the court makes that decision is a secret. As we learned with the 2007 Bar Exam scandal, it’s Jean Toal and her clerk Daniel Shearouse who make the decisions – and then inform the other four justices.

Inquiring minds want to know: When will the bar exam results be released?

SIC SEZ

sic speaking

That’s a damn good question …

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36 comments

The Colonel October 18, 2013 at 9:02 am

I think they oughta just cancel the thing for three or four years, God know we have enough freaking lawyer running around.

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Jackie Chiles October 18, 2013 at 9:45 am

Or at least limit the number of people passing to the BLS estimates of how many legal jobs will be created in SC per year.

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Carpe Jugulum October 18, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Well said, Colonel.

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Solon October 18, 2013 at 9:20 am

And Texas…you left out Texas.

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Jackie Chiles October 18, 2013 at 9:47 am

In any event, aren’t they normally posted on Halloween weekend?

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hack October 18, 2013 at 11:14 am

Yes. Or the last week in October. I believe they are coming out next Friday.

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Triple H October 18, 2013 at 10:26 am

They have ALWAYS come out late, around Halloween. Sorry to ruin your little conspiracy theory. And no, the Supreme Court does not decide who passes the bar exam. There are real live people who draft the questions and then grade them anonymously. Where do you people come up with this shit?

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Lewis October 18, 2013 at 11:35 am

Does Triple H standfor Triple High? The Bar Exam committee only makes RECOMMENDATIONS on who is to pass and who is not. Toal can do as she damn well pleases as she has shown in the past.

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The Colonel October 18, 2013 at 12:20 pm

The truth is sort of in the middle. A committee writes and grades the exam. The Supreme court can invalidate portions of the exam if they deem them to have been “inappropriate”. They can also adjust the “passing score” up or down to meet whatever target goal they desire.

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Jesus H. Christ! October 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Or they can just throw out sections of the exam if that’s what it takes to get certain people admitted. But THH is right, the questions are not drafted or graded by the justices.

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BigT October 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm

The Supreme Court can also deny someone who passed the test on “character and fitness” if the person has been convicted of a crime involving dishonesty or has other skeletons in the closet.

Come on, man! October 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Wrong again. You can’t sit for the bar if you can’t pass the character and fitness requirement. Have you taken the Bar exam?

BigT October 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Yes, you can, and yes, I have. Look at Rule 402(e) of the appellate rules carefully. The Committee on Character and Fitness can, and has, failed to notify applicants of their determinations prior to the exam dates and they are specifically imbued with the authority to make a character and fitness determination after the examination has been completed by an applicant. It does not happen that often but it does happen.

(e) Determination by Committee On Character and Fitness. The Committee on Character and Fitness shall consider the application and any further information it deems relevant to determine if the applicant has the requisite qualifications and character to be admitted to practice law in this state. The Committee shall notify the Clerk of the Supreme Court whether it finds the applicant qualified or unqualified and, if found to be unqualified, the Clerk shall send the applicant a letter notifying the applicant of this finding. An applicant found to be unqualified shall not be allowed to sit for the Examination. If the Committee has not made a determination of the applicant’s qualification by July 1 for the July Examination or February 1 for the February Examination, the applicant shall be allowed to sit for the Examination, and the Committee shall make its determination after the Examination is administered.

http://m.sccourts.org/courtReg/displayRule.cfm?ruleID=402&subRuleID=&ruleType=APP

It's all a fucking joke October 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm

That is entirely incorrect. I know first hand you can take the bar without being approved by character and fitness first. You get a letter saying you can take the bar, but no decision had yet been made on your character and fitness hearing.

Well now October 18, 2013 at 9:59 pm

Jesus “Come on man” how could you EVER make me agree with BigT – damn you – but BigT is right, they can review your character and fitness standard anytime before you are admitted – which can include AFTER you have taken the exam, or even passed it.

You're wrong October 28, 2013 at 11:42 am

Have YOU taken the bar exam?! I took the New York AND New Jersey exams in July 2013 and I haven’t even started the character and fitness application for New York.

Jesus H. Christ! October 18, 2013 at 12:47 pm

The editorial standards are rather lax here.

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jimlewisowb October 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm

Can’t speak for willie but most of the shit I come up with in regards to the Supreme Court is in response to the shit that comes from the shitters.on the Supreme Court

Examples:
Is it not true shit that Queen Toad knocked the shit out of several vehicles when she was shit faced drunk
Is it not true shit that Queen Toad crapped all over earlier bar exams to allow politically connected little shits to pass the Bar
Is it not true shit that Queen Toad has a PhD in profane language and shit is her fourth favorite word/phrase behind, goddamn, mother fucker, son of a bitch…..shit

I’m sure there are more examples of Judicial Shit but at this time I am tired of this shit

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Larry October 19, 2013 at 9:28 am

Fallen off the wagon again. Sorry, dude.

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jimlewisowb October 20, 2013 at 1:10 pm

Don’t have a wagon, peckerhead

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A Lawyer October 18, 2013 at 10:27 am

They’re never posted this early in SC. So, I’ll tell you what every young law school grad has been told since the dawn of time, “Don’t worry about it, I’m sure you did fine!”

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Original Good Old Boy October 18, 2013 at 11:28 am

“You will be fine . . . nobody at this firm has ever failed the bar.”

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Elfego October 18, 2013 at 12:37 pm

We do have enough lawyers but Toal is still building her Queendom!

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Ryan October 18, 2013 at 12:57 pm

The bar results are always posted the last Friday in October at 4:00pm… For this year, that means that they will be posted on October 25. Similarly, the February results are posted the last Friday in April. As for the selection process, the essays can be fudged a bit, but the MBE is graded by the NCBEX, which provides the test and the answer key. That part cannot be changed, except for (possibly) the Court could change their acceptable score

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BigT October 18, 2013 at 1:43 pm

The SC Bar has three essay sections, most states only have two. The added time necessary to grade a third essay explains the difference between the posting dates here and in other jurisdictions. Additionally, they are usually posted the last week of October. This entire “article” is predicated on uninformed supposition.

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Come on, man! October 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm

That’s just not even close to correct. The SC Bar exam has two days of essays. If I remember correctly, there were six total essay sections. In addition, there is a day of the Multi-state, which is multiple choice. I believe this is just another one of those things that SC has always done and always will do. Results are always posted on the last Friday in October.
Comments on Jean Toal controlling the results are not worth responding to.

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Otter Pop October 21, 2013 at 10:08 am

I was a July taker – we did indeed have six essays over two days. The People In Charge said consistently that we could expect results at the END of October. I took that to mean the last week in October, and given that they’re posted on a Friday… last Friday in October. (Stand back, my powers of deduction are staggering.)

It would have been nice if they’d just said “Results will be posted the last Friday in October.” No reason to be all cryptic.

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euwe max October 18, 2013 at 1:49 pm

I’ll have a Pink Squirrel in a coconut shell with one of those little umbrella things made out of bamboo… on fire.

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JT October 18, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Where does it say that NY results will be posted November 1?

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Squishy123 October 18, 2013 at 6:14 pm

The ones who are most concerned are the strip mall owners who rely on these results to prepare for office rentals.

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CSOL Graduate/Law Clerk October 18, 2013 at 6:38 pm

We’ve got more lawyers than janitors and they make about the same.

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Mike at the Beach October 19, 2013 at 11:34 pm

That’s not true. I know a few attorneys who’ve been out of school for 3 or 4 years now and are creeping up on $30k…

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bqueen October 18, 2013 at 11:25 pm

Non story – Results ALWAYS come out around halloween.

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Jeffy01 October 20, 2013 at 5:10 pm

This is such an old joke. No one believes there is a law school in charleston. Stop the tease. Ha ha. Joke over. Not funny.

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inquiring mind October 21, 2013 at 10:26 am

What judicial websites? CA is scheduled to be release 11/22 and NY historically come Nov. 2 or later

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lilacastraea October 23, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Umm you seem to be forgetting TX, RI, NJ, AK, ND (unless you know something I don’t)…. plus OH and GA (which are reportedly coming out on 10/25)

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