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Hello, Mrs. Goldfinch

For those of you who haven’t been following the drama associated with the Charleston School of Law (CSOL), here’s a quick summation: This struggling private sector law school has been producing abysmal results on the state’s bar exam for years. Things got so bad a few years ago the infinitely…

For those of you who haven’t been following the drama associated with the Charleston School of Law (CSOL), here’s a quick summation:

This struggling private sector law school has been producing abysmal results on the state’s bar exam for years. Things got so bad a few years ago the infinitely corrupt S.C. Supreme Court took it upon itself to toss an entire section of the bar exam (thus artificially raising CSOL’s passage rate and enabling the school to receive accreditation from the American Bar Association). Now – just when it appeared CSOL was beginning to show some modest improvement – the school is merging with a company that critics say wants to turn it into a high-cost, low-quality “diploma mill.”

Oh … and the deal was struck behind the backs of faculty, staff, students and alumni – infuriating them.

Everybody all caught up? Good …

Into this atmosphere of anger and uncertainty has stepped S.C. Rep. Stephen Goldfinch (RINO-Murrells Inlet) – who is proposing that the Charleston School of Law be absorbed by state government, specifically the government-run College of Charleston (a.k.a. the “College of Knowledge”).

“The Commission on Higher Ed will do exactly what the political process tells it it should do,” Goldfinch told CSOL alumni this week. “In other words if the chairman of education tells it ‘you’re gonna get your stuff in order on this particular school,’ or if the legislature or the governor tells the Commission on Higher Ed ‘you’re gonna get your stuff in order with this particular school,’ you’re gonna allow a change in charter – it can be done tomorrow. It  can be done tomorrow.”

 

Naturally we reject such a plan. Higher education is not a core function of government, and given the rampant waste, inefficiency and duplication which exists in South Carolina’s higher ed system, “Republican” Gov. Nikki Haley and her colleagues in the “GOP-controlled” General Assembly need to be privatizing institutions of higher learning – not adding more of them to the government dole.

So … what motivated Goldfinch to propose such a taxpayer-funded “absorption?”

That’s easy … his wife, Renee Goldfinch, is a member of the College of Charleston’s board of trustees. In addition to that role, she’s also affiliated with South Carolina’s disastrous “First Steps” program – a failed early childhood initiative which was inexplicably expanded this year by Haley and state lawmakers (at the urging of U.S. President Barack Obama).

Fortunately, sources close to the “College of Knowledge” tell FITS there is no appetite on the part of the board to “absorb” CSOL. Instead, the College of Charleston is much more interested in merging with yet another taxpayer-subsidized institution of “higher learning,” the Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC). Also, there is no appetite whatsoever on the part of CSOL’s founders to sell their law school to the state.

Still, Goldfinch’s proposal has plenty of support from alumni, faculty, staff and students …  and obviously from his wife, too.

FITS reached out to the Goldfinches for comment regarding this report, but received no response to our request.

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107 comments

Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:26 am

Since this is a CSOL story, and hence all lawyerlyish and junk, does Mrs. Robinson qualify for the Hot Lawyer competition?

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GreenvilleLwyr August 7, 2013 at 11:30 am

If she doesn’t have a JD, then probably not. However, she could be part of the Hot Lawyer’s Wife competition. There are many more exciting entrants in that field.

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:35 am

Are you channeling 9? Ugghhhh

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Carlos Danger August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm

I will admit she is hot in that pic so I am all for putting her in any sort of competition we can.

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Creeper August 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm

I’d take Mrs. Finch to pound town in a heartbeat.

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GreenvilleLwyr August 7, 2013 at 11:26 am

You missed the biggest piece of the puzzle. This clown is a CSOL grad looking to protect the “integrity” of his own law degree. Just because his wife is a trustee of CofC doesn’t mean she would automatically be pushing for the assimilation. He has much more to gain.

A swing and a miss, Will.

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Boo August 7, 2013 at 11:30 am

If you are a Greenville lawyer, why are you constantly commenting on every single post that gets written on fits? Are you GreenvilleLwyr or should your name be UnemployedAndBoredGreenvilleLwyr.

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Jean Toal's Girlfriend August 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm

GreenvilleLwrs’s comments do not indicate a degree in law, or for that matter any indication of education above grade 12. Maybe one of those magazine back page $39.95 diplomas.

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 12:21 pm

LOL. Fuuunnnnyyy

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm

Frank, here’s one for you—–

The judge asked the defense lawyer, who was fresh out of school and this was his first case, “Sir, do you wish to challenge the jury?”

The new lawyer replies, “Your honor, I’m not in very good shape, but I think I could handle those two guys in the back!”

darksied calling August 7, 2013 at 3:47 pm

If he paid $39.95 he got ripped off.

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm

re GL —– CSOL ???

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Frank Pytel August 8, 2013 at 4:08 am

Had to read that one twice. MORE COFFEE. Made my day Shifty.

Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 1:32 pm

Sure… no college board member would have a vested interest in a nice fat expansion of their institution at state expense. Wait a minute…
Besides, this guy isn’t too worried about the “integrity” of his CSOL degree. He is a trust fund baby who only plays lawyer occasionally enough to keep current. He bounced around being an “entrepreneur” for a few years (sound familiar?), tried and failed to get on the SC Aeronautics Commission, thought about running his wife for Clerk of Court in Georgetown, and finally got himself a House seat. Miraculously, two months later his wife got her very own seat on the CoC board. Truly coincidental. Now he’s just waiting for Ray Cleary to fade away so we can call him “Sen-uh-tuh Goldfinch…”

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Jim McClellan August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm

I hope he does run for Cleary’s seat! He is the best Rep. we have ever had in this district!

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Jesus H. Christ! August 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Only because he’s FIRST rep that district has ever had.

It’s a new district, duh.

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm

;-)

I Am The Eye In The Sky August 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm

You are a sack of dung. I even doubt you are a lawyer. And if you are, I am sure we can locate you easy enough and disclose your real name.

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Threatswillgetunowhere August 8, 2013 at 11:25 am

Looks like GL struck a nerve.

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GreenvilleLwyr August 8, 2013 at 1:22 pm

Apparently. And the only thing I said that was potentially inflammatory was calling a politician a clown. I assumed that was a given for any politician.

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:26 am

Since this is a CSOL story, and hence all lawyerlyish and junk, does Mrs. Robinson qualify for the Hot Lawyer competition?

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GreenvilleLwyr August 7, 2013 at 11:30 am

If she doesn’t have a JD, then probably not. However, she could be part of the Hot Lawyer’s Wife competition. There are many more exciting entrants in that field.

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:35 am

Are you channeling 9? Ugghhhh

Edit: Wait. Hot Lawyers Wife? The wife or the dude?

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Carlos Danger August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm

I will admit she is hot in that pic so I am all for putting her in any sort of competition we can.

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Creeper August 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm

I’d take Mrs. Finch to pound town in a heartbeat.

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GreenvilleLwyr August 7, 2013 at 11:26 am

You missed the biggest piece of the puzzle. This clown is a CSOL grad looking to protect the “integrity” of his own law degree. Just because his wife is a trustee of CofC doesn’t mean she would automatically be pushing for the assimilation. He has much more to gain.

A swing and a miss, Will.

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Boo August 7, 2013 at 11:30 am

If you are a Greenville lawyer, why are you constantly commenting on every single post that gets written on fits? Are you GreenvilleLwyr or should your name be UnemployedAndBoredGreenvilleLwyr.

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Jean Toal's Girlfriend August 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm

GreenvilleLwrs’s comments do not indicate a degree in law, or for that matter any indication of education above grade 12. Maybe one of those magazine back page $39.95 diplomas.

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 12:21 pm

LOL. Fuuunnnnyyy

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm

Frank, here’s one for you—–

The judge asked the defense lawyer, who was fresh out of school and this was his first case, “Sir, do you wish to challenge the jury?”

The new lawyer replies, “Your honor, I’m not in very good shape, but I think I could handle those two guys in the back!”

darksied calling August 7, 2013 at 3:47 pm

If he paid $39.95 he got ripped off.

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm

re GL —– CSOL ?

Since GL has usually been a good sport on his comments, I dedicate this one to him—-

A lawyer sneered at a witness on the stand. “You seem to have more than the average share of intelligence for a man of your background.”

The witness replies, “Thanks, and if I wasn’t under oath, I’d return the compliment.”

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Frank Pytel August 8, 2013 at 4:08 am

Had to read that one twice. MORE COFFEE. Made my day Shifty.

Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 1:32 pm

Sure… no college board member would have a vested interest in a nice fat expansion of their institution at state expense. Wait a minute…
Besides, this guy isn’t too worried about the “integrity” of his CSOL degree. He is a trust fund baby who only plays lawyer occasionally enough to keep current. He bounced around being an “entrepreneur” for a few years (sound familiar?), tried and failed to get on the SC Aeronautics Commission, thought about running his wife for Clerk of Court in Georgetown, and finally got himself a House seat. Miraculously, two months later his wife got her very own seat on the CoC board. Truly coincidental. Now he’s just waiting for Ray Cleary to fade away so we can call him “Sen-uh-tuh Goldfinch…”

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Jim McClellan August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm

I hope he does run for Cleary’s seat! He is the best Rep. we have ever had in this district!

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Jesus H. Christ! August 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Only because he’s FIRST rep that district has ever had.

It’s a new district, duh.

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm

;-)

I Am The Eye In The Sky August 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm

You are a sack of dung. I even doubt you are a lawyer. And if you are, I am sure we can locate you easy enough and disclose your real name.

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Threatswillgetunowhere August 8, 2013 at 11:25 am

Looks like GL struck a nerve.

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GreenvilleLwyr August 8, 2013 at 1:22 pm

Apparently. And the only thing I said that was potentially inflammatory was calling a politician a clown. I assumed that was a given for any politician.

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tomstickler August 7, 2013 at 11:31 am

For an idea of what any law degree is worth these days, take a look at the older posts on the subject at Lawyers, Guns & Money.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/?s=%22law+school%22&x=8&y=12

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Or google “law school scam”

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tomstickler August 7, 2013 at 11:31 am

For an idea of what any law degree is worth these days, take a look at the older posts on the subject at Lawyers, Guns & Money.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/?s=%22law+school%22&x=8&y=12

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Or google “law school scam”

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TK August 7, 2013 at 11:32 am

You mean the privately run CSOL turns out a worse product that the state-supported USC SOL? But, but, but…free market, um, private enterprise, um…

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:36 am

I think they took subsidies, but….

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CL August 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm

Do you even know what a free market is? Hint: a cartel is not a free market.

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm

You don’t really equate private, for-profit educational institutions like CSOL and the University of Phoenix with a “free market” actor in the economic sense, do you? There are lots of things the government does well – the military, courts, law enforcement…let’s not go privatizing these anytime soon either (although Will may disagree).

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TK August 7, 2013 at 11:32 am

You mean the privately run CSOL turns out a worse product that the state-supported USC SOL? But, but, but…free market, um, private enterprise, um…

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Frank Pytel August 7, 2013 at 11:36 am

I think they took subsidies, but….

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CL August 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm

Do you even know what a free market is? Hint: a cartel is not a free market.

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm

You don’t really equate private, for-profit educational institutions like CSOL and the University of Phoenix with a “free market” actor in the economic sense, do you? There are lots of things the government does well – the military, courts, law enforcement…let’s not go privatizing these anytime soon either (although Will may disagree).

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 11:46 am

Free market at its finest. CSOL was a free market school built on capitalist principles and it completely screwed its students—giving them a degree that is not worth the paper it is written on.

USC Law at least places grads in firms that pay them salaries as lawyers.

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EJB August 7, 2013 at 12:32 pm

With private schools there are good ones and bad ones. Bad schools go out of business when people find out they are “bad”. Mr. Folks has given a bit of history on CSOL and explained that the school was actually on the ropes for a while until they started getting their act together. Free market forces are what made them start working to get their act together. CSOL being bought by another company may be a good move or not but again free markets will influence what they do. Free markets don’t provide immediate consequences for errant entities but the consequences will come. One of the problems as I see it is that people have become so dependent on the government to solve their problems and now even to provide for them. This government intervention distorts normal market reactions and in some cases delays the consequences. People have no responsibility for their own actions. Stand on the top step of a stepladder and fall off and somehow it’s the ladder manufactures responsibility (lawsuit). Set the cruise control on your Winnebago while driving down the interstate and get up to fetch a drink from your refrigerator and cause a crash and somehow it’s the Winnebago dealer’s responsibility (it happened, lawsuit too). Too much government is breeding very ignorant people that can hardly take care of themselves.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:19 pm

“Free market forces are what made them start working to get their act together.”

False. Unlimited government student loans made it start working. Hardly free market forces.

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EJB August 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm

I’m going to disagree with you on that point. First of all, as you know, that money isn’t “free”, a lot of hard working people provided that money that many of those people are squandering on degrees they won’t utilize. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, both with doctoral degrees and nationally recognized economists have written quite a bit about all the government money that goes into these scholarships, the “free” money of which you speak, and quote a number of studies showing that the “free” money actually causes tuition rates to rise faster than inflation to no added benefit. I know people that have used “free” money to get MBAs and they are working side by side with people, doing essentially the same job, with no degree whatsoever. No, “free” money didn’t make SCOL improve; it was free market actions, people abandoning that school for better schools. Also, in other posts you have made here you note the number of law school graduates that are finding jobs in their field, maybe part of the problem is so many people getting degrees that shouldn’t even have went to school, an over supply of lawyers if you will and a number of them quite poor at what they are doing. This “free” money also seems to relieve some of these people of their responsibility of making rational decisions, there was a recent lawsuit settled on behalf of a law school student, in Maryland I believe, who went and blindly signed himself away on student loans got his degree but couldn’t find a job, in his home town, doing what he wanted to do. The judge reduced his loan debt by 60%, removing that individual’s responsibility to make rational decisions or force him to seek employment in another city or state.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 8:20 pm

Where did I say it was free money?

Brigid August 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Hence the continued scourge called the University of Phoenix, bestowing degrees on anyone with a student loan and the desire to get a master’s degree without ever having taken the GRE. And they still rake it in, despite all the complaints. It is hard to believe that anyone would bother with them, but clearly there are people who either disregard the horrible reputation of Phoenix or simply have no idea what they’ve done to themselves. You’d be shocked at the number of state employees that fall for this, and think they deserve a huge promotion and raise when they ‘graduate.’

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Please provide a credible cite for your winnebago story.

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 4:37 pm

nevermind, i’ll do it for you. It is a myth. And if you believe that, you will believe anything.

http://www.businessinsurance.org/5-fake-lawsuits-and-why-theyre-almost-believable/

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 5:01 pm

That kills the credibility of the entire message, one might say…
A little Snopes goes a long way!

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EJB August 8, 2013 at 7:06 am

How does “That kills the credibility of the entire message,”? That poor example can easily be replaced by any number of other examples and the other two examples aren’t even being challenged. You wouldn’t accept my point if I had five pages of examples signed by five Supreme Court justices. Anyone not as opposed to my point can think of other examples from their own experiences.

EJB August 8, 2013 at 7:00 am

Sorry I didn’t respond in time for you to make your point but glad you didn’t wait. I was recalling the Winnebago story from memory as I had read about it years ago. Your response was the first time I had heard of that story being myth/urban legend. While that example does not prove my point there are many other examples of lawsuits placing one individual’s responsibility on another. You don’t dispute the ladder example or the kid that had his loan obligations reduced solely because he was stupid. You can never be convinced so more examples, to replace the Winnebago example, won’t help and anybody that isn’t as adamantly opposed to my point can easily think of their own examples.

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Mike at the Beach August 8, 2013 at 9:27 am

Look, we don’t have the time for a rhetoric / logic course here, but of course an invalid example kills an entire argument! If it didn’t, we could all just make up our facts, which people do all of the time. Of course, a deficiency like this can be remedied by replacing it with a valid example (although many involved in the discussion will remember the lack of rigor demonstrated by the initial use of the incorrect information and, rightly, use that as a reason to more closely scrutinize future claims from the same debater). Contrary to your point, people (myself included) certainly can be swayed on issues IF the debate is rational and properly argued. There’s just not much real debate taking place these days for a multitude of reasons that we don’t have time to discuss. I actually wholeheartedly agree with your economic point regarding the artificial demand created by federal student loan money – the demand curve doesn’t differentiate between artificial and organic demand. The prices rise either way (and educational bureaucrats use the opportunity to expand their kingdoms). I was simply saying that by using a widely known urban legend to make your point you weakened the argument. That’s all!

Misstate August 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm

sorry, I don’t have time to debunk every one of the urban legends that you believe. everything you read on the internet isn’t true.

Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm

USC Law’s placement rates aren’t exactly stellar either. According to Law School Transparency, an independent organization that evaluates law schools across the country, USC’s employment score for 2011 (the most recent year complete data is available) was only 54%. At least 28% of USC Law’s class was counted as “under-employed.” http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=southcarolina&class=2011 Only 67% of USC Law graduates had jobs that required bar passage. So let’s not act like USC Law guarantees its graduates jobs.

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 11:46 am

Free market at its finest. CSOL was a free market school built on capitalist principles and it completely screwed its students—giving them a degree that is not worth the paper it is written on.

USC Law at least places grads in firms that pay them salaries as lawyers.

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EJB August 7, 2013 at 12:32 pm

With private schools there are good ones and bad ones. Bad schools go out of business when people find out they are “bad”. Mr. Folks has given a bit of history on CSOL and explained that the school was actually on the ropes for a while until they started getting their act together. Free market forces are what made them start working to get their act together. CSOL being bought by another company may be a good move or not but again free markets will influence what they do. Free markets don’t provide immediate consequences for errant entities but the consequences will come. One of the problems as I see it is that people have become so dependent on the government to solve their problems and now even to provide for them. This government intervention distorts normal market reactions and in some cases delays the consequences. People have no responsibility for their own actions. Stand on the top step of a stepladder and fall off and somehow it’s the ladder manufactures responsibility (lawsuit). Set the cruise control on your Winnebago while driving down the interstate and get up to fetch a drink from your refrigerator and cause a crash and somehow it’s the Winnebago dealer’s responsibility (it happened, lawsuit too). Too much government is breeding very ignorant people that can hardly take care of themselves.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:19 pm

“Free market forces are what made them start working to get their act together.”

False. Unlimited government student loans made it start working. Hardly free market forces.

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EJB August 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm

I’m going to disagree with you on that point. First of all, as you know, that money isn’t “free”, a lot of hard working people provided that money that many of those people are squandering on degrees they won’t utilize. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, both with doctoral degrees and nationally recognized economists have written quite a bit about all the government money that goes into these scholarships, the “free” money of which you speak, and quote a number of studies showing that the “free” money actually causes tuition rates to rise faster than inflation to no added benefit. I know people that have used “free” money to get MBAs and they are working side by side with people, doing essentially the same job, with no degree whatsoever. No, “free” money didn’t make SCOL improve; it was free market actions, people abandoning that school for better schools. Also, in other posts you have made here you note the number of law school graduates that are finding jobs in their field, maybe part of the problem is so many people getting degrees that shouldn’t even have went to school, an over supply of lawyers if you will and a number of them quite poor at what they are doing. This “free” money also seems to relieve some of these people of their responsibility of making rational decisions, there was a recent lawsuit settled on behalf of a law school student, in Maryland I believe, who went and blindly signed himself away on student loans got his degree but couldn’t find a job, in his home town, doing what he wanted to do. The judge reduced his loan debt by 60%, removing that individual’s responsibility to make rational decisions or force him to seek employment in another city or state.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 8:20 pm

Where did I say it was free money?

Brigid August 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Hence the continued scourge called the University of Phoenix, bestowing degrees on anyone with a student loan and the desire to get a master’s degree without ever having taken the GRE. And they still rake it in, despite all the complaints. It is hard to believe that anyone would bother with them, but clearly there are people who either disregard the horrible reputation of Phoenix or simply have no idea what they’ve done to themselves. You’d be shocked at the number of state employees that fall for this, and think they deserve a huge promotion and raise when they ‘graduate.’

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Please provide a credible cite for your winnebago story.

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Misstate August 7, 2013 at 4:37 pm

nevermind, i’ll do it for you. It is a myth. And if you believe that, you will believe anything.

http://www.businessinsurance.org/5-fake-lawsuits-and-why-theyre-almost-believable/

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Mike at the Beach August 7, 2013 at 5:01 pm

That kills the credibility of the entire message, one might say…
A little Snopes goes a long way!

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EJB August 8, 2013 at 7:06 am

How does “That kills the credibility of the entire message,”? That poor example can easily be replaced by any number of other examples and the other two examples aren’t even being challenged. You wouldn’t accept my point if I had five pages of examples signed by five Supreme Court justices. Anyone not as opposed to my point can think of other examples from their own experiences.

EJB August 8, 2013 at 7:00 am

Sorry I didn’t respond in time for you to make your point but glad you didn’t wait. I was recalling the Winnebago story from memory as I had read about it years ago. Your response was the first time I had heard of that story being myth/urban legend. While that example does not prove my point there are many other examples of lawsuits placing one individual’s responsibility on another. You don’t dispute the ladder example or the kid that had his loan obligations reduced solely because he was stupid. You can never be convinced so more examples, to replace the Winnebago example, won’t help and anybody that isn’t as adamantly opposed to my point can easily think of their own examples.

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Mike at the Beach August 8, 2013 at 9:27 am

Look, we don’t have the time for a rhetoric / logic course here, but of course an invalid example kills an entire argument! If it didn’t, we could all just make up our facts, which people do all of the time. Of course, a deficiency like this can be remedied by replacing it with a valid example (although many involved in the discussion will remember the lack of rigor demonstrated by the initial use of the incorrect information and, rightly, use that as a reason to more closely scrutinize future claims from the same debater). Contrary to your point, people (myself included) certainly can be swayed on issues IF the debate is rational and properly argued. There’s just not much real debate taking place these days for a multitude of reasons that we don’t have time to discuss. I actually wholeheartedly agree with your economic point regarding the artificial demand created by federal student loan money – the demand curve doesn’t differentiate between artificial and organic demand. The prices rise either way (and educational bureaucrats use the opportunity to expand their kingdoms). I was simply saying that by using a widely known urban legend to make your point you weakened the argument. That’s all!

Misstate August 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm

sorry, I don’t have time to debunk every one of the urban legends that you believe. everything you read on the internet isn’t true.

Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm

USC Law’s placement rates aren’t exactly stellar either. According to Law School Transparency, an independent organization that evaluates law schools across the country, USC’s employment score for 2011 (the most recent year complete data is available) was only 54%. At least 28% of USC Law’s class was counted as “under-employed.” http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=southcarolina&class=2011 Only 67% of USC Law graduates had jobs that required bar passage. So let’s not act like USC Law guarantees its graduates jobs.

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Concerned citizen August 7, 2013 at 12:38 pm

S.C. taxpayers are already subsidizing $20 million of the College of Charleston’s $225 million budget (2013-14).

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/appropriations2013/tas15.htm

Merging the CofC with MUSC would reduce these annual, recurring subsidies by getting rid of much of the administrative dead wood at the CofC.

Mergers to reduce costs make sense in many circumstances, and this is a perfect example.

The schools are literally three blocks apart on Calhoun Street.

CofC’s executive and IT offices / functions are outrageously expensive.

Hundreds of bureaucrats earning a fortune — http://transparency.sc.gov/BCB/transparency/BCB-state-salary-query.phtm?Agency=UNIVERSITY+OF+CHARLESTON&JobTitle=All&Surname=&f_submit=Submit

And like its President, George Benson, CofC’s board is completely brain dead.

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 1:04 pm

“CofC’s board is completely brain dead”

CC: Are you referring to the recent appointment of the politically connected woman who was “anointed” to their board? The woman who—-
1) doesn’t know which of her multiple names to use
2) doesn’t know the difference between child support and alimony
3) doesn’t know how to speak properly
4) doesn’t think she needs to file tax returns
5) doesn’t know which company she works for
6) doesn’t — ???????????????

— but is a good listener and goes along with the flow

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Bonner August 7, 2013 at 2:02 pm

Well that narrows it down a little bit Henry.

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rafaelrobyns October 24, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Providing only 8-9% of the operating budget of a state institution that educates the citizens and workforce of the state is not a subsidy, it is an outrage. You appear to be equally clueless about the missions of these institutions, the work of their administrations, or the structure of their budgets. The analyses all show that a merger and change in mission would be outrageously expensive, and the paltry support coming from the state shows that the state would not provide such resources. Why not go back to doing whatever it is you think you do well and leave off the ignorant comments.

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Concerned citizen August 7, 2013 at 12:38 pm

S.C. taxpayers are already subsidizing $20 million of the College of Charleston’s $225 million budget (2013-14).

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/appropriations2013/tas15.htm

Merging the CofC with MUSC would reduce these annual, recurring subsidies by getting rid of much of the administrative dead wood at the CofC.

Mergers to reduce costs make sense in many circumstances, and this is a perfect example.

The schools are literally three blocks apart on Calhoun Street.

CofC’s executive and IT offices / functions are outrageously expensive.

Hundreds of bureaucrats earning a fortune — http://transparency.sc.gov/BCB/transparency/BCB-state-salary-query.phtm?Agency=UNIVERSITY+OF+CHARLESTON&JobTitle=All&Surname=&f_submit=Submit

And like its President, George Benson, CofC’s board is completely brain dead.

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shifty henry August 7, 2013 at 1:04 pm

“CofC’s board is completely brain dead”

CC: Are you referring to the recent appointment of the politically connected woman who was “anointed” to their board? The woman who—-
1) doesn’t know which of her multiple names to use
2) doesn’t know the difference between child support and alimony
3) doesn’t know how to speak properly
4) doesn’t think she needs to file tax returns
5) doesn’t know which company she works for
6) doesn’t — ???????????????

— but is a good listener and goes along with the flow

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Bonner August 7, 2013 at 2:02 pm

Well that narrows it down a little bit Henry.

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Inquiring Minds want to know August 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm

It’s unbelievable that Renee Goldfinch is on the board of anything….seems like there’s some kind of payback going on to Stephen that puts her on such a board given her qualifications:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/renee-goldfinch/4/767/257

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Carlos Danger August 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm

Ha. That is awesome. I was expecting something…instead there was literally nothing.

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Inquiring Minds want to know August 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm

It’s unbelievable that Renee Goldfinch is on the board of anything….seems like there’s some kind of payback going on to Stephen that puts her on such a board given her qualifications:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/renee-goldfinch/4/767/257

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Carlos Danger August 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm

Ha. That is awesome. I was expecting something…instead there was literally nothing.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:11 pm

I think it would make sense to have CofC absorb CSOL and MUSC. It would put CofC on par with major universities. Hopefully it would be able to improve CSOL at the same time.

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Jackie Chiles August 7, 2013 at 3:11 pm

I think it would make sense to have CofC absorb CSOL and MUSC. It would put CofC on par with major universities. Hopefully it would be able to improve CSOL at the same time.

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lb29205 August 7, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Perhaps we are missing a golden opportunity here. Merge MUSC and CSOL and then the doctor want to be’s could practice on the lawyer want to be’s and vice versa. Think of it as malpractice reform. Leave the fraternity and sororities at CofC alone let them return to their film classes and sailing classes and parties.

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lb29205 August 7, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Perhaps we are missing a golden opportunity here. Merge MUSC and CSOL and then the doctor want to be’s could practice on the lawyer want to be’s and vice versa. Think of it as malpractice reform. Leave the fraternity and sororities at CofC alone let them return to their film classes and sailing classes and parties.

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Philip Branton August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

We wonder what the REAL Estate payoffs will be..?? “Neck Area stew” is on the menu…

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Philip Branton August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

We wonder what the REAL Estate payoffs will be..?? “Neck Area stew” is on the menu…

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Philip Branton August 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm

Ya know, since a merger of classes will mean that the class rooms are now too small and will require a bigger…NEWER ….building to be built. We wonder what contractor will get the job that has been funneling cash to WHO..?? …and of course what law firm will move into buildings that might be too small now…??

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Philip Branton August 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm

Ya know, since a merger of classes will mean that the class rooms are now too small and will require a bigger…NEWER ….building to be built. We wonder what contractor will get the job that has been funneling cash to WHO..?? …and of course what law firm will move into buildings that might be too small now…??

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Jesus H. Christ! August 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm

“That’s easy … his wife, Renee Goldfinch, is a member of the College of Charleston’s board of trustees”
Good catch.

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Jesus H. Christ! August 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm

“That’s easy … his wife, Renee Goldfinch, is a member of the College of Charleston’s board of trustees”
Good catch.

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Shine The Light August 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm

If you see Goldfinch out in public, like at happy hour or dining at a restaurant, spit on him and her. They are deceptive snobby ass crooks.

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Shine The Light August 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm

If you see Goldfinch out in public, like at happy hour or dining at a restaurant, spit on him and her. They are deceptive snobby ass crooks.

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Philip Branton August 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm

“Dear Team Graham”,……..

Hey there….boyz. Ya know, we wonder if you have a clue why Wil Folks really has interest in this “drama” at CSOL..?

Care to take a guess what plastic surgeon has an office where Senator Fritz Hollings has a view..?

We wonder if the same donors to the Hollings “institute” will be making the rounds to make a call to the Mace “intifada”…??

Care to take a wager on what real estate the Post and Courier has in common with Graham “winkers” and the CSOL “staff”..? We wonder if certain Hollings “institute” accountants would get a better deal with MACE in DC..?? The news would sell ..”newspapers”..!? Right..?

Ya know…..we wonder just what rail lines in the Upstate…have “spurs”..? We know that certain “spurs” beside Carolina Stadium have great “seats”..!!

“Team Graham” ……….your on your knees…..do you realize it yet..?

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Philip Branton August 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm

Just another note to you boyz….

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-give-millions-in-contracts-to-firms-owned-by-fictitious-people/article/2534017

We wonder just how much oversight the CSOL, CofC, MUSC, and the “institute” have in monitoring what they purchase via “set aside” contracting schemes..??

We also wonder if the Board Members realize how to ask Lindsey Graham about this in accordance to immigration “set asides” that will do WHAT…?

We wonder if Nancy Mace has any vision of women owned …”contracting”..?

We wonder who will ask her a question about it…Tara..? Don’t hold your WTMA investor breath..!

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Philip Branton August 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm

“Dear Team Graham”,……..

Hey there….boyz. Ya know, we wonder if you have a clue why Wil Folks really has interest in this “drama” at CSOL..?

Care to take a guess what plastic surgeon has an office where Senator Fritz Hollings has a view..?

We wonder if the same donors to the Hollings “institute” will be making the rounds to make a call to the Mace “intifada”…??

Care to take a wager on what real estate the Post and Courier has in common with Graham “winkers” and the CSOL “staff”..? We wonder if certain Hollings “institute” accountants would get a better deal with MACE in DC..?? The news would sell ..”newspapers”..!? Right..?

Ya know…..we wonder just what rail lines in the Upstate…have “spurs”..? We know that certain “spurs” beside Carolina Stadium have great “seats”..!!

“Team Graham” ……….your on your knees…..do you realize it yet..?

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Philip Branton August 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm

Just another note to you boyz….

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-give-millions-in-contracts-to-firms-owned-by-fictitious-people/article/2534017

We wonder just how much oversight the CSOL, CofC, MUSC, and the “institute” have in monitoring what they purchase via “set aside” contracting schemes..??

We also wonder if the Board Members realize how to ask Lindsey Graham about this in accordance to immigration “set asides” that will do WHAT…?

We wonder if Nancy Mace has any vision of women owned …”contracting”..?

We wonder who will ask her a question about it…Tara..? Don’t hold your WTMA investor breath..!

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