On Secession

SHOULD WE STAY OR SHOULD WE GO? A new petition movement has formed urging South Carolinians to secede from the United States of America and pursue their destiny as an independent people in the wake of U.S. President Barack Obama’s reelection. Obviously the Obama administration is prepared for such an…


A new petition movement has formed urging South Carolinians to secede from the United States of America and pursue their destiny as an independent people in the wake of U.S. President Barack Obama’s reelection.

Obviously the Obama administration is prepared for such an eventuality, but that’s not stopping a few folks from getting organized anyway.  In fact a petition has been posted to the White House website urging the Palmetto State to “absolve its allegiance to the Union and declare its independence as sovereign nation state.”

So far, more than 13,000 people have signed the petition since it was created three days ago … and similar petitions for other states are also making the rounds.

What do we think of secession?  Well, we’re not wild about the electoral knee-jerk nature of this particular movement, but we’re not unilaterally opposed to the idea either …

“We’ve contemplated the notion of South Carolina seceding from the union again … although this time it wouldn’t be to enslave black South Carolinians (our current failed status quo has got that covered), it would be to provide all South Carolinians with the sort of opportunity their local, state and federal leaders seem hellbent on depriving them of,” we wrote back in December 2010.

Here’s the thing, though … secession has to be the beginning of a plan, it can’t be the plan itself.  Such a decision would have to be accompanied by a pair of other critical moves.

South Carolina: Once more into the breach? …

First, secession would have to be accompanied by the complete dissolution of South Carolina’s infinitely corrupt state government (and its banana republic municipalities, too).  Second, a new form of government replacing these rotten edifices would have to be drawn up.  This is especially critical given South Carolina’s status as one of the most backward, underperforming states in America – as well as the racial stigma that lingers from its prior attempt to secede.

So far, we’ve seen nothing to suggest that the people pushing secession have thought any of this through.

They’re just mad Mitt Romney lost … which is not a good enough reason for a state to secede.  In fact when you think about it the fundamental case for South Carolinians pursuing their own destiny would have been every bit as compelling had former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney been elected president last week – which is something that most of these secession “hawks” don’t understand.

See it’s not just Democrats in Washington, D.C. who are printing money and suffocating liberty … Republicans are almost as bad (and infinitely more hypocritical) on both counts.

Aside from these considerations, South Carolina must also take into account the federal government’s likely response to its declaration – and be willing to die for the new form of government that they’ve laid out for themselves.  In other words they had better recognize that their actions could plunge the state into a perpetual dystopia like the one portrayed in The Hunger Games – although let’s face it, take away the “circus” and that’s pretty much where most of rural South Carolina is already.

Still … we believe that secession, within the proper context, is a discussion worth having.  We just don’t think it can – or should – be discussed as a response to Obama’s reelection.  Like we said … Romney was every bit as bad as Obama, which is why thousands of liberty lovers like this website’s founding editor supported someone else (twice).

What do you think?  Vote in our poll and post your thoughts in our comments section below …


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Lance Riprock November 14, 2012 at 10:03 am

Glenn McConnell must be about to wet himself in gleeful anticipation.

Hold Up Naw November 14, 2012 at 10:11 am

and that is exactly why secession is not a viable option for the success of this state. The power hungry machinations of the Nikki Haleys and Glenn McConnells of this state would be “all in” to encapsulate their power in a new independent banana republic. To quote good ole Mel Gibson, “why should I trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away.”

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 10:59 am

Finally, Glenn can climb into the newly restored Hunley and fight the Union scum!

Bonnie Blue Flag November 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm

You meant the vile Yankee race.

Charleston Voice November 14, 2012 at 9:48 pm

Glenn McConnell betrayed the citizens of SC by his compromising with our enemies in the 2000 Flag Fight. Bye, bye, Glenn, no pension for y’all.

sc is on wrong path November 15, 2012 at 5:44 pm

I don’t know if McConnell is a col or general now…but he would be leading the charge. Has anyone seen him all decked out in his uniform?;_ylt=A0PDoS_Kb6VQ9lUAiDSJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?…&p=Glenn+McConnell+uniform+civil+war&oid=56adef8113ecac2298318db8a6b84b99&fr2=&fr=yfp-t-701&tt=McDermott%2Bbill%2Bgets%2BWhite%2BHouse%2Bbacking%2B%2528WSLC%2BReports%2B-%2BSept.%2B16%2B…&b=0&ni=21&no=25&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11h1rk2di&sigb=13oh49883&sigi=11hjsemqf&.crumb=/FoiqHRqq1N

Thunderbird November 16, 2012 at 6:27 pm

A Lonely Opposition
by Brion McClanahan

Recently by Brion McClanahan: A Limiting Document?

On 20 March 1861, United States Senator James A. Bayard of Delaware began a three day speech on the prospects of war and the legality of secession. He began by offering a resolution in the hope of avoiding what he predicted would be a long, bloody conflict. It read:

Resolved by the Senate of the United States, That the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate, has full power and authority to accept the declaration of the seceding States that they constitute hereafter an alien people, and to negotiate and conclude a treaty with “the Confederate States of America” acknowledging their independence as a separate nation; and that humanity and the principle avowed in the Declaration of Independence that the only just hosts of government is “the consent of the governed,” alike require that the otherwise inevitable alternative of civil war, with all its evils and devastation, should be thus avoided.

Today, November 15, is Bayard’s birthday. His is one of the most important but forgotten United States Senators in American history. There are no monuments to his honor, no buildings named after him, and outside of Delaware hardly anyone has heard his name, but he was one of the few men in the Congress with the resolve to resist the headlong rush to war the Lincoln administration and the Republican Party foisted on the American people, North and South. He privately called Lincoln an “ordinary Western man” that had no concept about American government. Bayard was a rock, a crusader waging what seemed to be, at times, a one-man defense of the Constitution and the Union of the Founders. He was threatened by mob violence, his mail was searched and was later confiscated, he was denounced in the press as a traitor, was hung in effigy in Philadelphia, and later resigned from the Senate rather than continue among the “reptiles” in Congress as he called them. Such a man deserves our attention.

Bayard openly questioned the motivation behind the war against the South and wondered aloud how people could defend such a cause. “Could there be a more revolting proposition than that the individual man, who is domiciled in the State, and residing there, shall be held in the position that he is guilty of treason against the State if he does not side with her, and of treason against the General Government if he does?” He contended “humanity alone” must side with the “law of domicile” in such a situation. When his son-in-law joined the Union army in 1861, Bayard warned, “In embarking on this war therefore, you enlist in a war for invasion of another people. If successful it will devastate if not exterminate the Southern people and this is miscalled Union. If unsuccessful then peaceful separation must be the result after myriads of lives have been sacrificed, thousands of homes made desolate, and property depreciated to an incalculable extent. Why in the name of humanity can we not let those States go?”

In a July 1861 speech entitled “Executive Usurpation,” Bayard roasted the Lincoln administration and lamented the loss of liberty. The Constitution “which we had supposed gave us, as citizens of a free country, free institutions, in contradiction to the absolutism which reigned in France” was being subverted by an administration that smacked of Louis XIV, Oliver Cromwell, or Napoleon Bonaparte. Personal liberty was the cost of centralization. “If [you cherish] the principle of civil liberty, [you] cannot sustain this action of the President [suspension of habeas corpus] which violates the laws of the land, and abolishes all security for personal liberty to every citizen throughout…the loyal States….power always tends to corruption, and especially when concentrated in a single person.”

Bayard typically reserved his harshest statements for the Republican leaders in Congress. He wrote in late 1861 that, “Their intent is the devastation and obliteration of the Southern people as the means of retaining power, and yet I doubt in the history of the world has ever, with the exception of the French reign of terror, shown so imbecile, so corrupt, so vindictive rulers over any people as those with which this country is now cursed.” He voted against appropriating money for the war effort, was dismayed by the reckless government spending – “God help the tax-payers if the money can be borrowed” – urged his son to buy gold when the National Bank Acts passed, thundered against their attempts to expel members of Congress for their opposition to the War, denounced troops at the polls, the military occupation of Delaware, and the arrest of dozens of Delawareans for suspected disloyalty, and believed that the “more moderate” Republicans were being “governed by the violent and ignorant.” He wrote, “If the people of the U.S. were not more practical and informed than the element the French Jacobins dealt with I believe we should have the atrocities of the ‘Mountain’ renewed. Fear alone sustains them.” In 1862 he wrote, “State necessity has always been pleaded for the suppression of liberty.”

Recent events, of course, make Bayard relevant. Tomorrow, thousands of Americans will flock to see Stephen Spielberg’s new film about “Honest Abe,” and will doubtless leave feeling a surge in admiration for the “Great Emancipator.” Assuredly, Bayard’s description of events will not make the film. At the same time all fifty States and over 675,000 people and counting have petitioned the White House to accept the peaceful separation of their State from the Union. Barack Obama has compared his administration to Lincoln’s. Perhaps the two have more in common than he realizes.

Lincoln, the dishonest, Hamiltonian, dictator, and Obama, the Marxist, Keynesian, emperor, both have shredded the Constitution and both have faced a decision on how to handle open defiance of their administration. Obama’s will mirror Lincoln’s, at least in regard to the legality of secession. Secession, he will say, is illegal, unconstitutional, treasonous, and unpatriotic. And why not, he has so-called conservative support. Bayard said in 1861 that “I believe the great value of the American Union…is the preservation of liberty – by which I mean a Government of laws, securing the right of free speech, securing the freedom of thought, and securing the free and ample discussion of any question.” The American people may not be ready for secession and are going about it the wrong way, but let’s hope there is a James Bayard in the current crop of United States Senators, someone with the manly resolve to contest the flimsy arguments that will certainly be used against the American principles of independence and self-determination. I don’t have much optimism.

November 16, 2012

Brion McClanahan [send him mail] holds a Ph.D. in American history from the University of South Carolina and is a faculty member at Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom. He is the author or co-author of four books: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Real American Heroes (Regnery, 2012), The Founding Fathers Guide to the Constitution (Regnery History, 2012); Forgotten Conservatives in American History (with Clyde Wilson, Pelican, 2012); and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers (Regnery, 2009).

Copyright © 2012 by Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.

Bonhoeffer November 14, 2012 at 10:17 am

This whole column is a joke, right?

I know it’s not April Fool’s Day, but it’s a joke, right?


MountainPenelope November 14, 2012 at 11:29 am

Sadly, no. It seems the reactionaries are out and about.

There is, however, another petition on the site, one that I happily signed.

That petition asks that anyone who signs the secession petitions be stripped of their citizenship and all benefits.

A review of the S.C. (and several of the petitions of other states) finds that the same people are signing all of them, even if they are non-residents of the particular states.

Frank Pytel November 15, 2012 at 4:43 am

Why would you think its a joke Bonhoeffer. I’d have to agree with much of what the article states.

I don’t know that the reason is Obutthead got elected, but clearly this country is going into the toilet. Consider these points for a moment.

1. We would agree to allow US military personnell on our soverign soild for defense. In return, we will gladly place a 10% flat tax on every citizen for the payment of protection from the world. Japan pays 0. Germany pays 0. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, Afgahnistan, Iraq, Turkey. All pay 0. I have no doubt there are other bases as well. Frankly and matter of factly, we pay rental space in each and everyone of these countries.

2. We dump the current constitution of SC and repeal it back 60 years. (yeah yeah, no one wants to make you a slave. get over yourselves). 60 years worth of libtard legislation gone with the stroke of a pen. The new constitution has 3 lines. A) If it is not expressly perimitted to the government, it is expressly the right of the citizen. B) The government must operate via a flat 10% tax from the earnings of individuals. C) The government may only make laws via constitutional amendment. Any amendments must be passed by an 80% head count vote. No delegates, regions or representative systems may be set up for this process.

3. SSA, WIC, Welfare, Medicare, DOEng, DOEdu, DOdumbshitand everyotherbsbureauofbureaucrats gone with the stroke of a pen. 99% of the current state budget.

4. We will gladly open our borders to US Citizens to come spend there money here. They are subject to the same laws and rights as they have in the US.

5. ad infinitem.

In the current state of these United States, soverignty has no downside.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with Obonehead in charge. Yes I voted for Obonehead so get over it Republitard!!

Frank Pytel

Frank Pytel November 15, 2012 at 4:44 am

Put in a less wordy light, the fire is looking pretty damn good.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with Obonehead in charge. Yes I voted for Obonehead so get over it Republitard!!

Frank Pytel

marty November 16, 2012 at 6:59 am

“. SSA, WIC, Welfare, Medicare, DOEng, DOEdu, DOdumbshitand everyotherbsbureauofbureaucrats gone with the stroke of a pen. 99% of the current state budget.” -quote from Frank Pytel.

Federal programs or state programs? Do you know something the general public is not aware of as of yet?

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 10:30 am

Any reason you chose to illustrate your story with an painting of the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Regiment’s unsuccessful assault on Battery Wagner in Charleston?.

Bonnie Blue Flag November 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm

Your old unit.

SCBlues November 14, 2012 at 10:33 am

I would love for all of the kooks and looney tunes and birthers and baggers of the Republican Party to all secede or self-deport or basically just get the hell out so that the rest of us can live in peace and get things done to improve our country!

MountainPenelope November 14, 2012 at 11:30 am


SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 1:14 pm

You left out the TEA partiers & Preppers………..

More later…Some opinion,some historical fact.

Destiny Now November 14, 2012 at 7:24 pm

Ah, SCBlues… you forgot to say “racists,” too.

You are such a typical, elitist, condescending, liberal political hack and useful idiot for the lefty cause.

Once again, thanks for playing along… everyone with whom you disagree loves being insulted!

BTW, secession is a dumb idea and will never happen, so you won’t get your hyperbolic wish, but it was fun while it lasted, huh?

SCBlues November 15, 2012 at 8:06 am

Ah, Destiny the DumbAss –

Oh – okay – I’ll play along – let’s add the racists in there too – didn’t mean to leave you out, DumbAss. All better now?

The “lefty cause” huh? LOL You mean that “lefty cause” that just re-elected President Obama? You mean the majority of Americans? How does it feel to always be a Loser, Destiny DumbAss?

What a pitiful little pea-brain you are!! Now get on back to watching your Fox “News” and listening to the Obese Drug Addict Limbaugh so you’ll know what to post next time . . .

Destiny Now November 16, 2012 at 3:24 am

SCBlues, that was so cool the way you used all those keystrokes and accomplished exactly nothing.

Yes, you support the lefty cause. There is no need to put it in quotes, and don’t try to use that euphemism PROGRESSIVE.

Funny; you guys think that because you squeaked out a victory for Obama that the country is better now, all unified and ready to move FORWARD.

What a crock. Obama has polarized our population more than any other president in history.

And it has nothing to do with race. It’s his Alinsky-ite beliefs and policies.

jimlewis,owb November 14, 2012 at 10:38 am

The last time South Carolina seceded, Cadets from the Citadel fired on Fort Sumter.

What are they going to do this time, piss on Lt. Governor McConnell?

marty November 16, 2012 at 7:01 am

It’s not the cadets that should be your concern. It’s the older , wiser generation of Citadel grads.

CNSYD November 14, 2012 at 10:39 am

“its prior attempt to secede”

Attempt? I believe we did secede.

OK, lets ask a few questions. If SC is a sovereign nation, how will it be defended from any and all foreign powers? Can US planes fly over SC airspace? How will US property be transferred to SC? Free gift or will SC have to pay for it? The US contributes 90% of the funds on interstate highways and 50% on US highways. Where will the funds come from to replace those?

not fair November 14, 2012 at 10:47 am

which is why we would be a third-world country.

Judy Chop November 14, 2012 at 11:16 pm

Do you judge civilization on how smooth a road is? I remember the South before the interstate system and it was a decent place to live. And you ask how can we defend our soil in South Carolina? ROFLMAO!

You need to go the next gun show at Jamil Temple or the SC Fairgrounds. I doubt a modern day Mongol horde could slip past Pelion or Red Bank.

Lock and load is the sound of freedom.

Frank Pytel November 15, 2012 at 4:46 am

Please see my post above regarding defense of the soverign state of SC.

“… flat tax on every citizen for the payment of protection from the world. Japan pays 0. Germany pays 0. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, Afgahnistan, Iraq, Turkey. All pay 0. I have no doubt there are other bases as well. Frankly and matter of factly, we pay rental space in each and everyone of these countries.”

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with Obonehead in charge. Yes I voted for Obonehead so get over it Republitard!!

Frank Pytel

Isotope Soap November 14, 2012 at 10:52 am

Let AZ and TX be their own country…maybe even join Mexico. They can build that great border fence and enjoy the benifits of a gated community.

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 11:03 am

“General” Arpaio? God help us.

Isotope Soap November 14, 2012 at 11:06 am

Lol! Pass the bananas.

Robert November 14, 2012 at 10:54 am

Secession is such an idiotic idea. Do these people not realize that is not 1861?

Can you see a state seceding, not being able to use all the items the federal government provides or regulates?

Stupid just isn’t good enough definition.

Mr. Stupid November 14, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Sounds good to me.

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 10:57 am

“Wait, what? We can’t secede AND continue to suckle on federal funds? FUCK. THAT.” -S.C. Legislature

? November 14, 2012 at 11:13 am


Mike November 14, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Secede from the Union, then apply to the USA for foreign aid.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm

That’s funny Smirks!!!

? November 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm

lmao @ Mike. Good one!

Anna_Nimmitty November 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm

LOL at that one Smirky.

Pretty much sums up this BS secession article!

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm

Mike’s loophole is genius, though. In fact, it may be better than our current arrangement, as foreign aid usually ends up being taken by the politically connected people thanks to the corrupt government that receives it. Easier to funnel money into their own pockets, and less repercussions from the government giving them the funds.

dwb619 November 14, 2012 at 6:34 pm

You think the majority of this state even know what you are talking about?

dirtbogger November 14, 2012 at 11:06 am

The USA just needs to succeed from Israel. Maybe then we can move foward as a peaceful prosperous nation.

dirtbogger November 14, 2012 at 11:11 am

correction; sucede

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 11:18 am

Might want to try that one again dirtboeer…

Ohmaar November 14, 2012 at 11:38 am

Correction: suicide?

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 11:51 am

I had the same thought…

Lenny November 14, 2012 at 11:07 am

Say goodby to Ft. Jackson, Shaw AFB, Joint Base Charleston, BMAS, PI, etc. Starting to get the picture?

Horses and Bayonets November 14, 2012 at 11:12 am

Old school making a comeback!

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 11:14 am

Methinks the feds would be much more capable of defending their bases compared to Fort Sumter.

? November 14, 2012 at 12:03 pm

Hell, SC would be crazy to try to evict the Feds from their bases even if secession happened whilst hell was freezing over.

I’m not saying a significant majority of people here haven’t learned the lesson from the civil war of trying to “leave” or prevent the Feds from doing whatever they like….but it only takes a stupid minority to kick off another ass kicking by the Feds.

Martin Luther had it right when it comes to peaceful resistance, but I don’t think in practical terms it can be successfully pulled off because there’s always a small minority of mentally unstable idiots that kick off violence….even further if the Feds get pissed enough they’ll just send in agent provocateurs to kick things off, which the CIA is very good at globally already.

There really isn’t much hope of secession short of a dollar collapse which changes the whole paradigm if not managed properly(and quickly) by the Feds.

Lenny November 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Smirks & ?
I was thinking more along the line that if we seceded from the US, they would in turn pull their military bases out of SC and relocate them to remaining US states. This would really impact our economy and employment numbers.

Smirks November 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm

That’s very true.

marty November 16, 2012 at 7:02 am


CUvinny November 14, 2012 at 11:22 am

Considering South Carolina receives more federal aid then it pays in taxes the state would probably be bankrupt in only a couple years.

Dumb rednecks

ConfederateLiberal November 14, 2012 at 11:26 am

More likely 1 day.

Cooter Brown November 14, 2012 at 11:55 am

Elimate taxes, regulashunms, an unfunded federal mandates an’ weed by fiscally in much betta shape. Ye gots t’ think bigger than dis, suh!

dwb619 November 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm

Couple of months,really.

Manray9 November 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

From Dana Milbank’s column in today’s Washington Post on the subject of secession petitions:

“Among those states with large numbers of petitioners asking out: Louisiana (more than 28,000 signatures at midday Tuesday), which gets about $1.45 in federal largess for every $1 it pays in taxes; Alabama (more than 20,000 signatures), which takes $1.71 for every $1 it puts in; South Carolina (26,000), which takes $1.38 for its dollar; and Missouri (22,000), which takes $1.29 for its dollar.”

First of all, South Carolinians would have to figure out how to run a state. We haven’t done such a good job. Remember James L. Petigru’s famous remark: “South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.” What’s changed? Maybe we could call back Gov. Appalachian Trail? He certainly covered himself with glory. Perhaps the current governor could become president of the Republic of South Carolina? She could then appoint her daughter as Secretary of Commerce. After all, her daughter has retail experience. Her husband, the overweight part-time military impersonator, could become Chief of Staff of the South Carolina Army. I rest easy in my bed with just the thought.

There are so many options, my head swims. But the key question: Who is going to make up the $.38 on the dollar revenue shortfall from the U.S. government? I guess we’ll just forfeit the cash, cut the government to the bone, and go back to planting cotton. That Sea Island cotton was the best in the world.

ConfederateLiberal November 14, 2012 at 11:27 am

Who do you think is going to pick it.

? November 14, 2012 at 11:31 am

Cotton and rice are going to be big again in a few more years.

? November 14, 2012 at 11:50 am

“Who do you think is going to pick it.”

The illegals.(unless they get legislated away)

TOM November 14, 2012 at 11:53 am

Why does the whole state have to secede. Maybe we can do it county by county or city by city. That way the cities and counties where people want to be citizen of the US can remain South Carolina and all those folks who want to live in a third world country can form their own nation under the leadership of General Haley.

Just be sure that all those Federal Government assets go to those of us who want to live in the first world. I would probably have to move, but so be it.

? November 14, 2012 at 11:57 am

LMAO! Are you really saying that SC is 1st world currently? Even further, do you think the economic movement in SC is going to continue upward with the help of the Feds? (or even maintain status quo? lol)

TOM November 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm

I’m for choice. I’ll make my prediction you make yours. I figure within about a year after the divide, those of us who remain in the US will be able to charge enough fees for work visas to those who live in the Republic of Haleystan, to pay most of the operating cost of our state. Plus we will be able to pay them in Haleybucks.

Stephan November 14, 2012 at 11:59 am

This would be so cool. SC could block the entrance to the Savannah River – totally erasing the sell out – and they could exile Nikki and her family to Arizona.

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Like they’d take her…

paul c November 14, 2012 at 12:20 pm

All this talk of SECESSION is RADICAL TREASON, my friends! Sedition! An attack on all that we hold sacred and we ought not stand for it!

Anyone who writes or advocates for this kind of attack on the UNITED states—one and indivisible—should have his citizenship stripped and be deported post-haste! That or have them rounded up and prosecuted for treason that they might live our their days in prison and reflect on how they dared to consider rising up against the GREATEST country in the history of the world!

It reminds me of that whining, ass-backwards, unpatriotic Southern radical from Virginia who said

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness…[W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

Everyone knows that the colonies—I mean the states—cant make it on there own! They NEED support and backing or they would be lawless and hungry.

Besides, we are too small to go it alone—we have no army or navy to protect us from our enemies!

Only ANARCHY can come of such a FOOLISH and DANGEROUS idea! ANARCHY, I SAY!

Nay! I say NO! NEVER!

We shall NEVER break up the empire—I mean union—because the some citizens THINK the king and parliament—I mean president and congress—are lawless tyrants!

One and indivisible. One and indivisible. Say it over and over again until you believe it!

Union 1st, liberty 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th). Union 1st, liberty 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th). Union 1st, liberty 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th). Union 1st, liberty 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th).

Say it over and over again until you believe it!

(Oi vey, people! Have you no line in the sand anywhere?)

Original Good Old Boy November 14, 2012 at 1:14 pm

I think this secession talk is silly. That ship passed a long time ago, and it would take something dramatic for the benefits of secession to outweigh its costs in the present day.

But 1st Amendment was enacted so that we can discuss these things without fear of prosecution, unless the talk is a violent overthrow of the government.

And there is nothing treasonous about discussion an overthrow or withdrawal from a tyranny. The tyrant(s) may think it’s treasonous, but for the people (whom the government is supposed to serve) it’s patriotic. When the government no longer serves the will of the people, that government loses its right to govern. As Jefferson said: “when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”

Original Good Old Boy November 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm

OK, my bad, I re-read your post, which I glossed over after the first paragraph.

You were being sarcastic in the first paragraph and my dumbass should have read the rest of your post before posting.

So it looks like we probably agree.

My bad for skimming after the first paragraph, and Will’s bad for not giving us a damn editing feature.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm

South Carolina’s natural resources list:

1. Oil = NONE
2. Natural Gas = Little to NONE
3. Coal: = NONE
4. Gold: = A little
5. Other mining/strategic resources (tin,copper,etc): Little to NONE

Are you starting to see a trend develope “PaulC”??

Then, you’ve got to figure out how much you want to spend defending this state (Don’t count on me being part of the militia; I’m planning on being an insurgent; after 25 years serving Uncle Sam, damned if I’m going to serve some tinpot govenor like Queen Namrata and double for the likes of “Shirker” Sanford). Hell, it might be kinda fun being on the other side of the fence for one time – but in all likihood, I’ll head for a state with better sense.

Anyhow, a standing military will be necessary including coastal and air defense. Will a few Boston Whalers suffice or would South Carolina have to contract with Bath Boat works in Maine – that would be a hoot!!- Of couse there is a sizeable fleet of high speed fishing charter boats- would SC sieze them for coastal defense?? How about the SC Air Force??Maybe a few Embriaers(sp) or Super Tachamos (sp) from Brazil or how about a few surplus A-10’s & F-16’s? PLUS what about parts!!!!! I’m sure the F-16’s from McEntire will be available but again parts will be an issue not to mention all that JP-4 they guzzle.

I guess someone could TRY to take over Savannah River for its nuclear stock but good luck with that—–Talk about getting your ass kicked out of the yard……

If the international companies pulled out due to the change in social/political situations caused by such a dumb-assed move, South Carolina would be back to an agrerian society in about 5 days……….. Maybe less….

Maybe South Carolina could make up some slack by legalizing prostitution, horse & dog racing and state supported drug sales but the “Movers & Shakers” are doing a pretty good job of pimping out the state as it is now…….

I would laugh but it seems every few years beginning during the Clinton Administration, some dumbfuck raises the issue of Secession.

Bottom Line;

If you don’t like it, fucking leave

? November 14, 2012 at 1:55 pm

SC’s resource list you posted reminds me of Japan.

The only exception I’d make is that SC probably has more than a “little” gold…and rice/cotton treated the state pretty good before the great smackdown of 1861.

Carry on.

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 2:16 pm


We have known natural gas reserves in the Florence and Georgia Basins along the Atlantic Coastal Plain.

You might have missed the “Mini Gold Rush” sparked by Romarco Minerals Industries a Canadian company that started a new gold mine here last year. The gold is in an ancient geologic deposit, known as the “Carolinas Slate Belt”. The mine is near Kershaw and is expected to produce 3,000,000,000 ounces in the next five years.

Commercially viable oil has been found in the 12 mile buffer off the Atlantic coast (though wells drilled off Georgia several years ago came up dry)

As for strategic minerals or coal – nope, not much, but there are plenty of countries that import raw materials – just like we do now.

Who exactly are you worried about defending our little “too small for a republic, too large for an asylum” state from? Are you assuming by default that we would be on bad terms with our neighbors and that our big brother the “Not Quite so United States” wouldn’t defend us?

Yeah, it’s a silly idea but fun to talk about…

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm

3,000,000 ounces, not 3 billion…

? November 14, 2012 at 2:23 pm

I agree with Colonel’s assesment. It is fun to talk about even if it’s not gonna happen.

Along those lines, Japan was doing pretty well for a well with NO natural resources before their gov’t did what ours has been doing(overspending/money printing/bailing out zombie banks).

Let us not forget also that Lincoln put the embargo/blockage on SC PRIOR to the civil war because they were doing fine via trade with the old world and Lincoln wasn’t having any of that as increased independence obviously wasn’t a shared goal…

? November 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm

please read “embargo” to mean tariffs on imported goods prior to the “uncivil” war outbreak…the more convention physical embargo being 7 days after its start(but in my opinion was just a furthering of policy against trade for the South with Europe).

marty November 16, 2012 at 7:03 am

United States of America please. United States is a corporation registered in Delaware- look it up.

A face in the crowd November 14, 2012 at 12:33 pm

The South Carolina government shits the bed on a daily basis and could not manage a lemonade stand. The good news for secessionists, though, is that the US likely would not fight to keep the state. It is already a preferred dumping ground for toxic waste, and the US would likely maintain diplomatic efforts in that regard.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm

“A Face”:

A distinct possibility………..

CNSYD November 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm


SC is a terrible state, a toxic waste dump and Barker and the BOT have ruined Clemson. So why are you still here? Do you think your moaning on a blog will fix all these ills you imagine?

A face in the crowd November 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm

Is that you, Jim? If not, I think this CNSYD person is in love with you.

Fedupin LEX. November 14, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Has anyone here contiplated that this movement is only for show to get the presidents attention. No state will secede from the Union. This is just a ploy to let the president know that people do not agree with his policies including tax and spending. If you really want to solve the money issue go to a straight flat tax with no deductions. Put time limits on entitlements for the people who can work leaving the elderly and hadicap alone who desperately need help. No more bail outs in the private sector.
Think about it.

CNSYD November 14, 2012 at 2:50 pm

Obama can’t sleep at night worrying about this. Is that what you believe?

Fedupin LEX. November 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm

No but he has to address it if the states which is over 30 now I believe, get 25,000 votes. As I said before nothing will become of it.

stfu November 14, 2012 at 12:55 pm

one word ORWELLIAN. that describes the so called “America” that we live in.

Choppers November 14, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Can we just deport the idiots who want to secede to an island that we test-bombed in WW2?

Mike November 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm

Secede from the USA; Unite with Mexico; get guns from “Fast and Furious” provided by the current regime; take back the USA. How’s that for foreign policy!!!

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 1:49 pm

We are a band of brothers and native to the soil
Fighting for our Liberty, With treasure, blood and toil
And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star!

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and like brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Most people don’t know that the “Bonnie Blue Flag of Secession” was the first (unofficial) Flag of the Confederacy but its history predates the (un)Civil War. The flag itself dates back to the Republic of West Florida which seceded from Spanish West Florida in 1810.

notagain November 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm

As a former military officer and long time purveyor of the SC scene, this secession talk is the most foolish thing I have seen. If carried out it would make us one of the worst of the third world countries. Those advocating it are advocating treason. They have abandoned patriotism. Even to joke about this makes me sick. This country is great because the majority rules. The majority has spoken and we need to close ranks and make it work. This whole movement is wasted effort and could be much more positively directed. It is unAmerican and treasonous.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Kinda what he said…………..

Thunderbird November 15, 2012 at 7:27 am

You got majority rule now, comrade!

Just like South Africa.

White folks are rapidly becoming a minority in the USA.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Hey By?

Where’s Japan these days???

In the shitter- that’s where

Massive lay-offs (have you read about Panasonic.Sharp, etc.?), a nuclear wasteland, an aging population, widespread government corruption,inefficient government that can’t plug all the leaks, one of the most heavily subsidized agricultural societies (what little farmers there are) in the world sitting on top of one of the most earthquake zones in the world…

Wans some more on the modern miracle that is present day Japan???

? November 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm

I didn’t say they weren’t in the shitter today, I simply made the comment that your resource rundown reminds me of Japan. You obviously made assumptions beyond that.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm

I got you

My bad and my apology.

? November 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm

“This country is great because the majority rules.”

I nominate this for “funniest comment of the day”.


Bankster November 14, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Right, USSA is the new South Africa.

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm

I propose the new country be named “The Grand Duchy of Kingstree”.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm

Did you have sex with General Petreaus?

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm

“The Colonel”

Gold: I am aware of the “mine” that why I posted “a Little”. Just hope you don’t fallinto the tailings pit with all the cyanide extraction slurry

Oil/Gas: Fucking pipe dreams fueled by rumors. like you posted, what exploratory wells drilled have come up sub par

I am NOT a native South Carolinina but I’ve lived here for a number of years and from what I’ve seen and experienced, if there was anything of value to be mined, it would have already pulled/pumped/dug out of the ground by now.

The Colonel November 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm

3,000,000 ounces is a little? The street value is about $5.5 billion. The reason the Haile Field hasn’t been exploited fully yet is that much of it was not technologically feasible to mine. Suppposedly, Romarco isn’t going to use the open slurrry pits like Kennecott did.

TOM November 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm

So who cares what its worth. Its owned by the Canadians. They are going to mine it sell it and take the money to Canada. What good does that do SC, unless you are suggesting Haleystan nationlize the gold mines.

Karl Rove's Brain November 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm


Now that you have entered goo goo gah gah land with all your Tea Party friends

How about a guest column from Donald Trump on all that stuff his “investigators” foun about Obama in Hawaii?

Swingline November 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Ya’ll remember this?

The secession nut-jobs are the same that would try and make this work of fiction a reality.

So much for loving ‘Merica and all that noise.

Brandt Hardin November 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm

The racism of yesteryear has come full circle in our county. The entire world embraced our choice of a black President four years ago and most nations of the world still support him. The fringe elements of Republican sect have crept through into the mainstream once again with conservative mouthpieces planting the seeds of hate. The only doubt lies here at home rooting from bigotry. Watch the white hands paint Obama in Blackface at

Nölff November 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Get over it, you unpatriotic crybabies.

9" November 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm

Is it OK not to vote on this one? It’s really fucking lame,dude.

Mr. Rest Stop November 14, 2012 at 11:22 pm

The gay porn site is awaiting your vote, 9″

Infidel November 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Secession is not the answer, succession is. We just have to hunker down and endure whatever the next four years brings us, and then elect a successor who will work to repair the damage.

paul c November 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Although I am fully in favour of SC or any other state divorcing Washington, DC– call it secession or whatever you like– it will not come about by petitioning the president or any other direct method. At least not now, although that could change in more dire circumstances.

What is more likely (probable) is that we will be forced to go it alone (or in league with other states) when Washington self-destructs.

I there is no reason for not preparing for this scenario any more than for storing food and other necessities in case of emergency, whether natural or man made. What if we HAD TO? How would/could it be done?

Certainly the feasibility of the current state representatives being capable of leading a free SC is a stretch.

They get a large percentage of their revenue and mandates (funded and unfunded) from Washington and are quite content (most of them anyway) with the status quo. The money and all the strings that go with it, however, will eventually reach a point where one or both of the parties can no longer afford the relationship as it currently exists.

The most likely scenario is the collapse of the dollar which would de-facto end the USA as an all-powerful unitary nation-state just as as it did in the USSR. (Remember them?)

In such a case, an open port and truly free market could create opportunities not possible under the current regime/political paradigm.

This secession this is a wake-up call at best, the death throes of the union at worst. Whatever the case, I look forward to seeing it play out.

I cannot imaging SC and her people loosing much my losing the millstone of Washington around their/our neck, but a lot of people have really come to want it, to need it, and even to love it despite the obvious fact that it drags everyone down.

I would love to see a peaceful, mutually beneficial separation, but Americans seldom (if ever) do the right thing until they have burned through all the bad options and no other choice is left before them except the the one they should have pursued in the first place.

Jon Galt Was An Idiot November 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm


SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm

It ain’t gonna happen BUT if it WERE to:

I will burn down my house,kill all my livestock and salt the ground in order to prevent it from being of any value/use to the “Nation” of South Carolina if that were EVER to come to pass

About 5 tons/4,500 kg of salt per acre at a depth of .2 inch/0.5 cm should do the trick nicely…………

Mr. Quantrill November 14, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Salting the earth would just qualify you as a superfund cleanup site. Tons of money pouring in for cleanup.

Best thing to do is find you a bugout place to live and form a small band of raiders to strike and loot at will and harass the enemy. Maybe north of Travelers Rest or west of Walhalla.

marty November 16, 2012 at 7:06 am

fictional Jon Galt really was an idiot, just like Ayn Rand.

Bonnie Blue Flag November 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm

USSA is fragmenting under Comrade Obama.

TOM November 14, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Keep on dreaming. It was obviously a lot more united than the Republicans ever believed.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm

Smoke your dope, Tom.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 3:43 pm

The collapse of the U.S. dollar is a certainty.

Buy gold ans silver today.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm

Sez the FORMER Anderson County Councilman who was convicted yesterday for bilking millions from suckers who listened to the right-wing crazies in a gold/silver trading scheme.

Next month he will be somebody’s “bitch” and sadly the suckers are left holding the bag with butkus to show.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 9:36 pm

Then hold those near worthless Federal Reserve Notes.

Mr. Quantrill November 14, 2012 at 11:29 pm

And ammo!

tomstickler November 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm

The petition originator is obviously a true South Carolinian, since the title of the petition uses “it’s” as a third person singular neuter possessive.

And, since a account is required before they can sign the petition, are they not worried when the Feds come to round up all the traitors?

? November 14, 2012 at 4:26 pm

“And, since a account is required before they can sign the petition, are they not worried when the Feds come to round up all the traitors?”

I know I would be. Maybe that’s the problem though.

King George wasn’t even brutal enough to round up the “traitors”/signers of the Declaration of Independence. I’m not so sure about our gov’t today.

Jackson McPhee November 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm

David Axelrod, Obama, and Harry Reid thought this up and got the ball rolling to have people sign the petition on a White House website.

It gives them an easy list of people who very likely campaigned and/or voted against Obama, and they’ll be laughing their asses off as each of these people are contacted for an appointment to meet with a friendly IRS agent for a tax audit.

Sign that thing at your peril.

shifty henry November 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Hey, you all….. remember the film “The Mouse That Roared” with Peter Sellers? It could happen!

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm

I’m a Peter Sellers fan and I saw it on TCM some time back.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm

The USSA will collapse from debt.

Where to go?

Costa Rica has nice whores.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 7:41 pm

And little boys according to Limbaugh……..

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Did we not secede from Great Britain in 1776?

? November 14, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Yes, but only around 40% of the population wanted to do it and they were called “Patriots” instead of “traitors”(today that is). Back then the Loyalists either shut their mouths or moved to Canada.

Tarring and feathering can be a nasty affair.


Mr. Quantrill November 14, 2012 at 11:30 pm

Loyalists moved to East Florida as well.

ASSTOUCH November 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm







TossMeThatWaffle November 14, 2012 at 7:16 pm

I didn’t know they allowed homeless people to connect to this site at the liberry.

Tossmesalad November 14, 2012 at 8:03 pm

He is not homeless. He is a homosexual savant.

Mr. Rest Stop November 14, 2012 at 11:32 pm

ASSTOUCH aka 9″ is my buddy!

ASSTOUCH November 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm





Sooty Mangabey November 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm

ASSTOUCH, you have lost your edge. Your glory days are behind you. Less than 1% of the people who bounce around in here remember you. Different crowd. Maybe time for you to drop back to the bus station restroom area and refuel. Even your buddy Will Folks put you to the curb on your pecker snot posts. Life is a 9″ bitch.

Travis Zachary November 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm

I think eventually the national debt and failed fiscal policies are going to force a breakup of the country as a sort of national bankruptcy. When the debt load really starts to impede on our standard of living and quality of life succession will start to look a lot better for the average citizen.

TossMeThatWaffle November 14, 2012 at 7:18 pm

So you don’t think “the debt load has really started to impede (sic) on our standard of living and quality of life” already?


raj November 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Stock market seems to be happy with Obama’s re-election….NOT!

Knott November 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm

The stock market loved his 1st term, up over 5,000 points.

enrique marcilousroboto November 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm

Vermiculite. LOADED with Vermiculite…SC could succeed, mine the vermiculite in Union/Newberry/Spartanburg counties… then dam the Tyger river… create a monster 120,000 acre recreational lake—stock it with stipers…then provide the whole world with kitty litter…just imagine…we could be the world capital of kitty litter and striped bass…and generate hydroelectric power from the water!! Talk about “clean” energy…

Soft Sigh from Hell November 14, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Our region holds the vital and strategic BBQ resources of the nation as well.

Soft Sigh from Hell November 14, 2012 at 6:47 pm

A few of the neoconfederate baggers and other backward-looking kooks of the region don’t sound all that very different from their forebears:

“And now with my latest writing and utterance, and with what will [be] near to my latest breath, I here repeat, & would willingly proclaim, my unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule—to all political, social and business connections with Yankees, & to the perfidious, malignant, & vile Yankee race” — Edmund Ruffin, prominent South Carolinian, 1865

God only knows what Ruffin would say with a black president.

Bankster November 14, 2012 at 9:38 pm

NATO – N’s Are Taking Over.

Mr. Quantrill November 14, 2012 at 11:33 pm

Ruffin wouldn’t say anything with a black president — he would just shoot himself.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Good point soft sigh

Those Confederate expatriate colonies in South America really made their mark didn’t they?

All that remains of “the Great Cause” is one sleepy town in Brazil or Argentina (I forget which) where a smattering of descendents hold a Confederate Founders Day (or did-it might have “petered out” by now) where they eat fried chicken,bisquits, the women dress like miss Scarlet and then go about their way being good Brazilians or Argentians. Ther was a documentary about the colonly some years back on ETV (yes, ETV!!) and it was fascinating as hell. I think it was produced by Mississippi EVT of all things…

A number of expat colonies were established in South America and South Africa and all failed so that should tell you something about all that “Southern Resolve”

oh yeah…

Lets not forget about “Exodus 2000” where a bunch of right-wing religious types wanted to make South Carolina their base and seperate from the US.

That notion failed even before it got out the door but “ol Russ Cassell had a boner over it………..

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm

I ment “Lost Cause”

Sorry for the typo/mistake

Knott November 14, 2012 at 8:15 pm

This so-called movement is based on hatred of democracy and hatred of blacks. It really is.

it is about as Anti-American as you can possibly can get.

Fried Chicken November 15, 2012 at 7:21 am

Dat be rayciss.

Thomas November 14, 2012 at 8:28 pm

Under White House rules stated in its “We the People” program, if 25,000 people sign on by December 7th, a response must be issued.

Alabama (26,412)
Arizona (17,834)
Arkansas (19,037)
Colorado (18,137)
Florida (21,129)
Georgia (25,578)
Indiana (17,143)
Louisiana (32,939)
North Carolina (25,695)
South Carolina (19,842)
Tennessee (26,350)
Texas (96,129)

What fucking morons. I would prefer the CCSG7 USS Ronald Reagan Strike Group parked in the Chesepeake. Once we find out how contrived the deceptions surrounding the fraudulent players and fraudulent process really is next year, all we have left is military intervention.

SparkleCity November 14, 2012 at 8:33 pm

Intervention against who???

Jackson McPhee November 15, 2012 at 1:42 am

Against “whoM.” “Against” is a preposition. LOL

But seriously, anyone who signs that petition is gonna be audited just for spite.

That’s right, Obama and Reid will hate you right back.

And make it annoying.

SparkleCity November 15, 2012 at 10:26 am

Thanks for the correction. I kinda thought I was making an error in grammar.

As a penality, I will hit myself across the head 3 times with “Harbrace’s College Guide to English” when I had to reference the damn book at least twice per class for an entire quarter in English 101 back in 1976.

God, I wish I was back there again!!!

Two years out of the service, going back to college & drawing the GI Bill plus working part-time = lots of pocket money & female companionship. Studying & playing HARD!!!

If I hear “I want my country back like the “old” days” one more time… I’m gonna say WHICH time??

As for me let it be 1968 – 1977 (the classic period of Rock & Roll but you can kinda leave out “Disco”). However there was some fine dancing on the floor IF you had the moves that is – which I didn’t. – LOL!! But that was where the women were from around 1976 – 1980……

Somehow, I don’t think that is time period the hard core right has in mind though…………..

Charleston Voice November 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm

Lots of additional info worthy of consideration here. For example: Who in their mind would want to salvage our constitutionally-deficient state assembly? They haven’t followed a path of ensuring our rights from fedgov as it is. The present incumbents, even less. Can you give us one federal law they’ve nullified?

Indeed, much to plan before stepping out on the town without a date.

Should the States Secede Now? (UPDATED)

Crooner November 14, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Donde esta T grande?

John Blaze November 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm

As a former South Carolinian who was able to attend college in the North, which eventually allowed me to escape your godforsaken state, I really wish you right wingers in South Carolina would rally your neighbors in the state and secede. As a Northeasterner, I’m sick and tired of my tax dollars paying to prop up your government. So please – I hope all of you limited government, no taxes, States-Rights types sign the petition and eventually secede.

Mr. Quantrill November 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm

Dear Mr. Blaze,
God didn’t forsake SC he just allowed you to leave on your own freewill. You can leave again as God allows you to improve your life time and time again. Great cannolies and bagels can be found in New Jersey — exit 53. Please don’t let the “Leaving SC” sign hit you in the ass.

John Blaze November 15, 2012 at 12:01 am

Mr. Quantrill,

Do you think I’m crazy enough to go back down there? lol I’m nowhere near your third-world state. I follow politics as a hobby, and anytime I want to enjoy a good laugh, I drop in on this site to read about how you neo-confederates are running that banana republic down there. And once I do, I count my blessings that I was able to leave. Now I wish you all would follow the example of your forefathers, cause the South to rise again, and secede.

Destiny Now November 15, 2012 at 1:49 am

Senor Blaze, we have plenty of typical condescending liberal assholes just like you who were born and raised here who complain about various aspects of life in SC, too.

Tiresome liberal whiners all.

Glad you found “your path,” but we’re not third world, no matter how much you wish we were.

BTW, is it really true what we hear about the northeast in winter… shovelling snow four score days and ten every year just to get out of your driveway to get to work? Or running a snowblower?

Must be fun, dude.

? November 15, 2012 at 9:15 am

Born in Michigan and having lived in SoCal and Ohio for some time, a stint in Charlotte for a couple of years and finally in SC (both rural and urban) I can tell you that if you are determined to find happiness you can do so just about anywhere.

I love the South and the people of the South in general. The history of the South happens to lean toward my viewpoints surrounding politics/gov’t- but the reality is that the South is a diverse place and the people that reside here have DIVERSE viewpoints.

There is also the reality of SC being behind the curve economically compared to other areas of the country(and as a result behind in other ways). Personally I attribute much of that problem to the lingering effects of the punitive unCivil War, SC is still suffering from the effects 150 years later and playing “catchup”.

Anyway, my whole point is that I have found happiness here and I could find it any place when I set my mind to it. I am not blinded by SC’s problems but choose to focus on its positives in terms of how I live my life and appreciate what it has to offer when living my life(and not commenting on politics here)>

That John Blaze would come on this site and “shit” all over the state crowing about how much he likes it “up north” shows me that he simply is not content up there either. He has to bash SC from up North to probably compensate for the fact he isn’t happy up there either. Otherwise, what loser what do such a thing?

It isn’t enough to “be happy” and keep to yourself?

Sure partner…I’m sure you’re living a Northern wonderland. The North has its own special set up problems too, especially on the fiscal side in both NY and NJ…which will soon have to deal with MAJOR fiscal insolvency when it comes to their state govt’s.(far worse than SC)

I don’t mind SC residents bitching about SC or the power center in DC continually subjugating them in various ways(despite the “handouts” coming from DC), but those on the outside doing so can kiss my ass, that includes you Blaze.

Focus on your own problems(and the state you live in) rather than focusing on ours. I think Jesus had a parable about that.

Judy Chop November 15, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Well said ?. Excellent !

Raspy November 15, 2012 at 7:47 am

Our gutless leaders would never give secession due consideration, but it may not be as nutty as some of you seem to think. That our economy and our dollar is going to take a huge dump sometime in the not-so-distant future is a given. There is just no way around either hyperinflation or a total depression. It will be so much uglier than the one back in 1929 when it happens.

If we were to secede and form alliances with other states, perhaps creating our own monetary system, perhaps even going on the gold standard, is it not possible that we could sidestep much of the misery, pain, and gnashing of teeth the United States is going to suffer through when the dollar falls?
I am no expert on economics, but does this not at least sound a little reasonable and worthy of consideration?

If it were to be done peacefully, as all petitions are suggesting, we would hopefully retain diplomatic ties with the US and trade, travel, or other connections would remain. There would necessarily be adjustments to be made for differing monetary units and all but we would need to ensure that we maintained a very independent and strong monetary system.

Your thoughts?

John Blaze November 15, 2012 at 8:31 am

Nope – the whole idea of supporting South Carolina and others to leave would be to get you off the government dole. So there would be no retention of trade or any economic ties with you all. We’d simply watch you experiment with your no-taxes, no-government views while your schools worsen and your infrastructure crumbles. The U.S. would have a bit of a problem with folks attempting to cross the border in order to flee this new confederacy. But with the absence of so many red states, the U.S. would have a generous amnesty program to allow these folks back in.

That said, Raspy, I like the spirit of your comments. I wish you luck in convincing your neighbors down there to seriously consider the option of secession. Ole Jeff Davis would be proud.

Raspy November 15, 2012 at 8:43 am

Giving it further thought, getting back into the US would not be a problem for border states that seceded. Just get some brown shoe polish, sew or strap tennis shoes to your knees and walk on your knees being careful to keep at an angle where your feet against your buttocks are not visible, and you will look like an illegal Mexican. They will welcome you with open arms.

As for the schools and other institutions, they might function more efficiently if not saddled with tons of unnecessary Federal regulations and guidelines.

SparkleCity November 15, 2012 at 10:08 am

From what I understand, that is the route Scotland is taking in pulling itself away from the UK. A lot of right-wingers get a boner bringing up how Scotland is handling this possibility.

However when I was in the desert, I talked with a number of Brits on this subject and the “one little thing” left out of all the hoopla is that yes, Scotland wants to be “kinda-sorta” seperate but still wants the UK to front by with keeping the social programs in place and basically keep those pounds rolling in.

The British troops I talked to about it laughed about the hypocrisy of it all…

Much like a number of postings on this site point out:

“Seperate from the US Government but for God’s sake, keep the federal money coming our way”

SparkleCity November 15, 2012 at 10:39 am

It wouldn’t work.

Look at the Soviet Union after the break-up. It is starting to reform again and Russia bullies the break away states all the time to the point of attack as in the Republic of Georgia (that message was clear & did the US intervene under Bush II – not a fucking chance. We sent some medical supplies but that was about it, basically the US stood on the sidelines and said “Stop the Madness”)

Same for the Slav states. I served during the Bosnia campaign and we still have troops over there keeping the lid on things.

Old feelings die hard and as we are posting, it’s kinda fun to discuss but in all reality it would be a disaster.

For the ones taking it seriously, I suggest they leave and find their Utopia off the coast of Peru somewhere. But again, I use the example of the expatriate Confederate colonies after the Civil War (yes damnit it was the CIVIL WAR not some of this revisionist bullshit)

Not a single colony succeeded. All the descendents assimilated into the host country and all speak Spainish or Portugese as their native tongue.

Isotope Soap November 15, 2012 at 10:57 am

You rednecks think you’re going start your own country? Shit! When China says so…

SparkleCity November 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Good point “Soap”

I surprised that the Chinese are allowing the remake of “Red Dawn” to be distributed to the theaters.

I think it’s coming out this weekend.

I’m going to wait for it on HBO…

But I will probably go to see “Lincoln” next week if they have a reduced admission for matinee.

It does look like a good flick…

“Gettysburg” was a good flick. Old Ted made a good movie and I thought it was pretty powerful. Too bad it didn’t do better at the box office.

I have it & “Gods & Generals” on dual DVD but “Gods” has too much talking in it. The movies were taken for the Shara’s (father & son) books

The Shara’s are the best at -semi-historical fiction around. I’m a big fan of their line of books. The father wrote “Killer Angels” and after he died, his son took over.

I read every one I could find while I was in the “Sandbox”

Damn good books!!!

Greg Burton November 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm

Has it ever occurred to anyone that allowing secession, the breaking up of the United States, “balkanizing” the US, was all part of the plan when the idea of using a terror incident like 9/11, a pseudo-enemy like “al Qaeda”; all to loot the resources of a once great constitutional republic, impoverish it, create a new empire of Asia Minor for Israel and the City of London, before destroying it and rendering as just another 3rd world despot subordinated to a nightmarish New World Order run by people who look upon us all as being sub-human?

SparkleCity November 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm


Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag.

Now I’ll have to get another secret decoder ring to alert me when to don my blue beret, grab my particle beam weapon and jump on the black helicopter in order to assist in rounding up the populace and place them into the secret FEMA camps being built across the country when the balloon goes up.

Charlie Cat November 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm

South Carolina tried this one time. Look at what happened to this state. The country is certainly divided. Now, more than ever before, is a time for all of us to put aside our political differences and work together to bring about a unified great nation. Our problem will not be with us if we do not achieve this,but with China. If we don’t do this, then the wise words of Forrest Gump may engulf us, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

Godslayer November 15, 2012 at 2:37 pm

The guy who wrote “Better Off Without ‘Em” is right. Good riddance to all you stupid crackers and ignorant white trash. Don’t let the door hit your mordidly obese asses on the way out.

rwwllms November 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm

You might have heard stories this past week about states that are petitioning the President for permission to secede from The Union. The Union, being The United States of America. But this actually is just sloppy reporting by the main stream media.
First of all, what are being filed are petitions on the White House’s website by groups of citizens. In order for the President to review them, or do whatever it is he does with them, they have to get a certain number of signatories. These are not, I repeat, NOT, petitions by the actual States themselves. Anyonereporting otherwise is simply wrong.
Second of all, it is a pointless exercise because States do not need to petition the federal government, much less the messiah, to secede. They simply say, “We’re seceding.” Then they secede.
See, the Constitution spells out the powers of our federal government. It also clearly states that, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” That would be in Amendment Ten.
Read more at Canada Free Press. By J.J. Jackson


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