Secret SC Confederate Flag Pact Falls Through

HUGH LEATHERMAN’S EFFORT TO BUY OFF CONFEDERATE GROUP FAILS || By FITSNEWS || A secret agreement between S.C. Senate president Hugh Leatherman and leaders of the South Carolina division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCSCV) regarding the Confederate flag fell through at the last moment, multiple sources familiar with the…


|| By FITSNEWS || A secret agreement between S.C. Senate president Hugh Leatherman and leaders of the South Carolina division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCSCV) regarding the Confederate flag fell through at the last moment, multiple sources familiar with the closed door negotiations tell FITS.

Leatherman – the state’s most powerful politician – had hoped to cement the agreement prior to the S.C. General Assembly debating the flag next week.

The flag controversy has arisen in the aftermath of the horrific, racially motivated “Holy City Massacre,” the mass murder of nine black churchgoers at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.  There, nine black parishioners – including S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor – were gunned down by Dylann Storm Roof, a 21-year-old white supremacist.

We’ve written extensively in support of removing the flag – and doing so expeditiously.  We’ve also provided some extensive historical context related to this debate (here and here).

Under the terms of the “Leatherman agreement” – confirmed by SCSCV leaders and Senate staffers – lawmakers would have agreed to ongoing funding for the H.L. Hunley Confederate submarine (including the construction of a Confederate museum to house the sub and other Civil War-era artifacts).  Additionally, they would have agreed to continue printing SCSCV license plates – while providing a location for the SCSCV to erect its “Secession Monument.”

In exchange, the SCSCV would have provided its written endorsement supporting the removal of the Confederate flag from the north lawn of the S.C. State House.

Basically this was an effort by Leatherman to bribe flag supporters with your tax dollars.

The deal collapsed, though, when a former SCSCV leader caught wind of its particulars and threatened to rally rank-and-file members of the organization against it.

Leatherman – who is under immense pressure from corporate interests to get the flag taken down – was reportedly livid at the deal’s collapse.

Too bad …

We opposed government funding for the H.L. Hunley before this debate began, and we oppose it today.  We also oppose government funding for museums – Confederate or otherwise.  These are simply not core functions of government – and they do not deserve to receive tax dollars under any circumstances.

Furthermore, it’s not entirely clear that those who want the flag moved need to make any concessions in order to get the controversial banner taken down – although a recently announced Ku Klux Klan rally, alleged threats against lawmakers and robo-calls attacking flag opponents have made members of the S.C. General Assembly exceedingly nervous.

Hopefully they will summon the necessary resolve when they reconvene on Monday …


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Ernesto July 3, 2015 at 9:00 pm

To accommodate and pander to these political forces shows how much more needs be one in SC. Compromise with historical losers is a sign of political decay and a loss of moral compass that is flabbergasting. WTF…

Amen July 3, 2015 at 9:22 pm

They’re learning these racists are losing in the court of public opinion and pandering to them will equal political death. Political death means these frauds will have to get a real job.

It's all they know July 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm

SC has always been and continues to be a historical loser.

Sad little losers July 3, 2015 at 9:09 pm

BooHoo, silly racists can’t agree on how to surrender. You’d think they’d be good at it by now. It is their heritage after all. Oh well, the SCSCV is the KKK without the hoods (at least some of them).

The Party of Slavery July 3, 2015 at 9:20 pm

The Democrat Party was the party of slaveholders and the KKK. You out put up the Confederate flag, and a Republican moved it. And now a Republican is eradicating it. So if you are calling the Democrat Party “silly racists” you have a point.

Another sad little loser July 3, 2015 at 9:29 pm

LOL. Give it up. We understand that you’re used to dealing with the poorly educated bumpkins that make up your social circle and political base, but you look really fucking stupid and ignorant to the average American. But, by all means, keep regurgitating ;-)

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:15 pm

It’s all he knows how to do.

The Party of Sad Desperation July 3, 2015 at 9:36 pm

Wow. Do you realize how desperate and grasping at straws that all sounds? Seriously? You guys must be done.

Sad truth for you pogo July 3, 2015 at 10:10 pm

You have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GT.

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:15 pm

Yep. pogo has always been too fuzzy and unfocused. He doesn’t hold a candle to GT for being the perfect dick of an obnoxious troll.

dR. Pill July 3, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Can you spell RICO, Tom? Because your role in that “Grand Scam” has reportedly not been ignored in the ongoing the fed probe – along with that of a certain CCU/MBACC lobbyist and real estate associate tied to the clearly-related world-wide pushing of a certain “service” here locally providing “distressed hotel asset relief.”

I remember very well the look in your wife’s eyes when I discussed this kind of stuff with y’all at that event at Mt Olive church back in 2010. You managed to stay cool as a cucumber throughout, and your south end tool Mary Henry was kind of bug-eyed as she hung on every word, but I glanced at Mrs. Rice and she had a look of abject terror in her eyes.

Comment: Boz martin

How sad Boz that you try and inject ‘abject terror’ into your victims.Spooky.

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:39 pm


Wrenzie Rice’s drunken ass is a “victim?” That’s the best laugh I’ve had all week. btw, at the present time, it is astounding how much contempt there is for the Rices among the Republican politicians in this area. The old “MB Mafia” coalition has split into several factions in the last few years, with most of them wanting Tom out of office at the first opportunity. Gone are the days when there can be any serious punishment for anyone running against his crooked goober ass. And Rice may yet go to jail for his crimes.

flip/pogo/Farley/fc/Sandi, you are as far out of the loop on all of that as some random obsessed asshole in Ohio with no real connections down here might be.

Oh, wait a minute … you are that random obsessed asshole, aren’t you?


dR.Pill July 3, 2015 at 10:45 pm

My point had nothing to do with politics.It was about your glee in terrorizing folks.You sic, man.

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Are you worried that I might “terrorize” Dylann Storm Roof? Why, is he your new hero? GT will be SO jealous!

dR.Pill July 3, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Rice? Crimes? LMAO!!!!

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 11:01 pm

See comment above. Yes. Crimes. They used to get covered up. Now so many of those guys have “flipped”, flipper, that NOBODY is covering for Rice any more.

Feds July 4, 2015 at 2:41 am

Cockroach? Scared?

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:50 pm

That’s the same blog, btw, where the dashboard of the platform showed several messages lambasting Paul Gable, from different fake screen names, as being from the IP address of Wrenzie Rice, wife of sitting US Representative Tom Rice. When this was exposed on GSD and FITSNews she went ballistic. Her threats, against me, Will, and several individuals on Facebook who had shared my messages about it: That she was going to send 1) The Capital Police, 2) The Sqt. At Arms of the House, and 3) The Secret Service, all down here to SC to arrest every one of us.

pogo, you always leave that insane shit out, don’t you?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:26 am

I’ve got a lot of catching up to do!

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:59 pm

I didn’t try to inject any terror in anyone. I merely told the truth, as it had been relayed to me by one of the tellers at the bank who saw the Rices there with Shep Guyton and David Brittain, doing the infamous transfer of funds for the “Coastal Kickback” payoffs.

Guyton, btw, was still being grilled by the feds, as of two months ago. Will that probe ever pop? Who the hell knows? But it should. And if Rice is the only one who goes to jail, hey, I could live with that.

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:21 pm

Feds are finding links not between Roof and other white supremacists in SC — some in organized groups like the KKK. He networked with the prior to the murders. May have told them his plans. They were obligated by law to turn him in for it. It’s a much lesser offense than all that he’s charged with, but the still might go to jail. Some may plead to lesser offences than that, after giving up Roof and any others who might have helped. It will be interesting to see where this all leads. It sure as hell won’t lead to the fantasy scenario of murderous racists not being supporters of the Confederate flag (or the Republican party.)

Notso famous last words July 4, 2015 at 2:38 am

But……….it’s heritage!!!

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:03 am

Poor American Indians… can’t have their totems in every state house in the Union….

…oh wait, they don’t get symbols of their heritage paid for in *the people’s* house – because they *lost*….

There’s a moral to that story somewhere.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 12:22 pm

They get monthly checks and free housing.

Business tip, if you want to be rich build a liquor store outside an Indian reservation. You only have to be open the first week of the month.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:22 pm

Yeah… I can see you’d be happy with that same arrangement.

Question July 3, 2015 at 9:13 pm

Why has Nikki’s cabinet been silent on the flag? Are they scared to take a position?

Answer July 3, 2015 at 9:19 pm

You know they are.

Yep July 3, 2015 at 9:22 pm

They can’t act unless Nikki tells them to.

Guest July 3, 2015 at 9:24 pm

WTF does the head of a state agency have to say about the flag. They can’t do anything about it.

Billy July 3, 2015 at 9:13 pm

You don’t compromise with losers!

William July 3, 2015 at 9:31 pm

Unless you are a fellow loser.

Guest July 3, 2015 at 9:19 pm

Because they all suck!!!!

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 3, 2015 at 9:22 pm

Why can’t we have a referendum and let the people decide?

The American People July 3, 2015 at 9:23 pm

Why? We’ve already decided for all you dumb hicks. Again….

Democracy is great! July 3, 2015 at 9:34 pm

Democrats like democracy, until they don’t.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:11 pm

the people?

How about paring that poll down by the number that can point out SC on a map?

pow wow July 3, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Or Tucumcari?

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:14 pm

Or Tucumcari.

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 5, 2015 at 10:00 pm

How about paring that poll down by the number that can point out SC on a map?

T-t-t-that almost sounds like some sort of literacy prerequisite.
Why, Euwe, next you’ll be advocating a poll tax!!!

euwe max July 6, 2015 at 12:17 am

…just qualifying poll results, not voter requirements.

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 6, 2015 at 7:37 am

It always starts innocuous…

euwe max July 6, 2015 at 5:48 pm

science is a bitch,, and then it makes you stupid?

C.W. Roden July 4, 2015 at 9:02 am

There would never be a referendum allowed for the simple fact that any result (which would favor keeping the flag by a big margin) would be broken down by ethnic lines and show that 40% or so black South Carolinians do not regard the flag as a racist symbol. The culture fascists attacking the flag and the Leftist Establishment could never let that detail be shown after claiming for so long that it “offends black people”. The Left never allows anything that will show them for the liars they are.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 10:07 am

“. . . . 40% or so black South Carolinians do not regard the flag as a racist symbol.”

LOL You so funny!

C.W. Roden July 4, 2015 at 11:59 am

Prove I’m wrong, sweetie.

afmajret July 4, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Wow, I am so sorry. There for a minute I thought your screen name was “C.W. Rodent”. How could I have ever made such a mistake?

C.W. Roden July 5, 2015 at 10:12 am

Wow you’re reduced to name-calling…worse you don’t seem to have more imagination than a 3rd grader when it comes to it either. Huh, interesting.
Ladies and Gentlemen, afmajret.

SCBlues July 5, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Honey – Darling – Sugarplum – prove you are wrong? LOL So you pull some BS from where the sun don’t shine and I’m supposed to prove you wrong? LOL

Scooter July 5, 2015 at 9:27 pm

There is one way to find out and that is to have a vote. Someone will have to shut up.

CorruptionInColumbia July 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm

I believe that most of the people claiming to be offended by the flag are such because this is what they have been told to feel by those with whatever agenda. This is much like the 15 year old boy who has sex with his hot teacher because it is what most of us would have done at that age had we been lucky enough to have been made such an offer. By the time the cops, shrinks, and hand-wringing moralists get through telling him that he is a victim and now will almost certainly have “issues” because of “what has been done to him, he’ll probably be sexually f’ed up for life because they told him he will. Same goes for retards who are told by so-called “advocates” and others making a living ofc of the MR/MH industry that they should be “hurt” or sad if they hear someone say the “R” word. The advocates and others have just added another woe to life for people who are probably least equipped to have to deal with it. It is, I believe, called job security. Ditto people being “offended” by thd flag because they are told they will be or should be.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Every bus in South Carolina will be reserved by AME churches. It’ll be 2008 all over again.

Scooter July 5, 2015 at 9:24 pm

The take it down bunch know that they would lose big time.

pogo/flip July 3, 2015 at 9:30 pm


My best wishes to all of you that attempt to keep the historical context of the Civil War and Confederate Flag alive. The dignity of your efforts to honor your fallen loved ones is beyond reproach.

However it is time for the Confederate Flag to come down, in my opinion. I am a Biblical Christian that taught History from a Biblical Christian perspective.The sins of this great nation on the American Indian and blacks needs closure and healing. It won’t come from Barack Obama, the Democrat Party or liberal/socialist, race baiting Christ haters like FitsNews or its Garbage dump of evil,souless commentators such as Rocky,Boz,Sybil,euwe max and Limbaughpedosackashit.They want America to fail and burn, in my opinion.

TRUTH and healing can come from ALL of you. I often wonder how many of my black family and friends can be so forgiving in times like this.

Seems so little to ask to save South Carolina and to send a message to the rest of this nation this July 4th weekend.



Oh god?!? July 3, 2015 at 9:32 pm

You taught history from a biblical Christian perspective? So, you are a bullshit artist.

God, Church, Jeebus Christ. July 3, 2015 at 9:53 pm

God, Church, Jeebus Christ. Shut the fuck up. I got the same fucking sermon from my dad today. Screw it leave it up for just to piss off theGod, Church, Jeebus Christ people.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:36 am

You still live at home? Because you sound like a millennial, no responsibility, no job, too busy to do anything but stare at your phone.

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 12:29 am

You are caving in to the bullying, threats, tirades, etc. “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.” The flag has been at the Capitol for over 50 years and this is the first time that something like this happened. According to those on the Left the Conf Battle Flag incites chaos, discontent, racism, etc. Being at the Capitol 50 years without an incident says a lot. When the flag was moved from atop the Capitol to its current location, the African Am got a huge memorial near the Capitol that probably cost a fortune. Again Southerners are getting the short end of the stick.

Dustin M. Jacks July 4, 2015 at 1:29 am


Black suffrage refers to Black people’s right to vote. Black suffragehas been at issue in countries established under conditions of white supremacy. It may be limited through official or informal (de facto) discrimination.


pogo/flip July 4, 2015 at 6:52 am

Understand what you are saying…HOWEVER bigger battles to fight.They are coming after our churches (including tax exempt staus) and the American Flag next.

WE can win those.

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 4, 2015 at 7:50 am

WE can win those.

Not after backing down on these. That’s what you don’t understand. SJW lie. They don’t play quid pro quo. They never stop.

Listen, TBG agrees with them that the Rebel flag should not have been flying from the Statehouse. TBG understands the argument that it shouldn’t fly on the Statehouse grounds. (To be honest, TBG doesn’t see why churches shouldn’t be taxed the same as any other business.) Yet TBG was opposed to the 2000 compromise because he knew it wouldn’t be the last we heard of it. If it is removed from the monument…that won’t be the end of it either.

You wouldn’t know it from reading this site, listening to the media and politicians etc…but the vast majority of Americans still view the Rebel flag as representative of regional pride, not racism.

Whatever y’all think the flag stood for in the past…it is rapidly becoming the standard of resistance to cultural bullying.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:17 am

The flag has been at the Capitol for over 50 years and this is the first time that something like this happened.
American Indians were living and hunting on these lands for centuries, and then some white men showed up, and for the first time, in the name of Jesus, their lands were confiscated, and most of them were slaughtered for the temerity of claiming the land and game as their heritage.

It was the first time something like that happened.

sparklecity July 4, 2015 at 12:11 pm

“Those white men weren’t flying the battle flag of Northern Virginia but more than likely either the flag of Spain or England when they fucked over those Native Americans” Sez Lee Bright…………

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:24 pm

White devils all fly the same fucking flag… .and it’s colors are “Fuck you. Pay me!”

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm

Yes, after the War between the States, the Union Army traveled to the reservations to move them out West. The Native Americans may not have been the native Americans. There were others that migrated over from Asia.It was assumed that there was land between Asia and North America.

America has done enough to make good with the “Native Americans” as they pay no taxes and there are other concessions.

If you want to make right with the Native Americans, you be the first to give your home and land to someone from an Indian Reservation.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:21 pm

America has done enough to make good

Easy for white man to say… hard for red man to swallow.

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 2:52 pm

Name another country that can say that. You be the first to turn over everything you have to someone in a reservation.

These things happened centuries ago. And, are beyond the control of the people who are living today.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 4:01 pm

Someday we’ll all look back at millions of Indians murdered in cold blood, and laugh about it.

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 4:58 pm

You must be fun to be around. A thrill a minute!

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Wait’ll I get out my guns!

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:14 am

I’d like to say, on this day of national celebration of our independence, on behalf of every right-thinking American:

Republicans are scum.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:26 am

Scum . . . and then some!Republicans are scum.”
Scum . . . and then some!

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:29 am

you can say that again. :)

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:42 am

LOL This copy and paste stuff gets tricky before the THIRD cup of coffee . . .

CNSYD July 3, 2015 at 9:33 pm

“horrific” massacre. Perhaps the one in Tunisia was “non-horrific” on the Folks scale.

CuntNosedShitYankinDick July 3, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Man, this whole thing has you really butthurt. Like, really, really butthurt. It’s a sad time to be a racist shit in ol’ SC, huh?

CNSYD July 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm

Not me, Wil. Is it just laziness on your part or do you think those who read your drivel are not aware of what occurred at Emanuel AME Church? Nothing racist about it at all.

CuntNosedShitYankinDick July 3, 2015 at 10:02 pm

Not Will, you dumb butthurt racist.

Rocky July 3, 2015 at 10:04 pm

IT”S ME!!! ON THE PAYROLL!!! ha ha

guest July 3, 2015 at 9:40 pm

50,000,000 abortions-the destruction of MILLIONS of unborn children since Roe v.Wade yet pro-life Fits (ha ha) apparently doesn’t feel that meets threshold of ‘horrific’? Go figure.

CuntNosedShitYankinDick July 3, 2015 at 9:42 pm

Geez, the butthurt is spreading. Now the anti-choice nazis are crying too? What a wonderful Fourth of July weekend this is turning out to be!

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 9:57 pm

So when will Will do a piece on The Kenyan handing over $29 million of taxpayer dollars to these nine families? I don’t know why these families deserve $3.2 million each when other murdered people’s families around the country get no money from the government. I’d like to know what the criteria is for money handed out, these people got more money than all the victims in the Aurora theater shooting, Sandy Ridge elementary school shooting, and Boston Marathon bombing combined.

Taxpayers July 3, 2015 at 9:59 pm

Squishy, we don’t mind our tax dollars going to your gov’t checks. Don’t be a hypocrite.

Squishy123 July 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm

I work 40+ hours per week for my government check. What did these people do? I bet half of them were already getting government checks… welfare checks. I sometimes wonder what it’d like living a lifetime as a leech.

euwe max July 3, 2015 at 11:08 pm

for sociopaths, there’s no difference.

Taxpayers July 4, 2015 at 2:32 am

Still a gov’t check, provided by U.S. You’re welcome.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:33 am

So you’re saying that the government shouldn’t have any employees. Who would issue your welfare check?

Uncle Sam July 4, 2015 at 2:43 am

You are an admitted leech, Squishy (like a sponge)

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:32 am

How is working for a paycheck being a leech? Sitting on the front porch and collecting a check is being a leech.

Al July 3, 2015 at 10:02 pm

Gotta pay em so SC doesn’t burn?

nitrat July 4, 2015 at 8:24 am


WCSC – Charleston, SC
Posted: Jul 01, 2015 4:59 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 01, 2015 5:15 PM EDT

By Patrick Phillips

The Department of Justice’s Office of Victims of Crime announced it is awarding South Carolina $29.4 million in grants for crime victim assistance programs across the state.

That money is coming to the state sooner than expected, since decisions about funding are typically made later in the summer, according to Lt. Kelly Hughes with the South Carolina Department of Public Safety.

The Office of Victims of Crime expedited the funding to South Carolina after learning of the Charleston church shooting, according to DOJ spokesperson Starr Stepp.

A portion of the grant money could potentially fund programs and services like grief counseling for the families of the nine victims of the shooting at Mother Emanuel AME Church, Hughes said.

In certain situations, crime victims and their families can receive compensation for funeral expenses and other costs, but the grant money was not intended to go directly to the nine families of the Emanuel 9, Hughes said.

Victim assistance programs statewide submitted 158 applications for grants to the DOJ, totaling $14 million. The additional money beyond that amount could fund some programs for longer.

Organizations that have received grant funding in the past include MUSC, Family Services, Inc.; My Sister’s House, the Dee Norton Lowcountry Children’s Center, Charleston Orphan House, Inc. and victim advocates and service providers in the Ninth Circuit Solicitor’s Office and the Charleston Police Department.

Copyright 2015 WCSC. All rights reserved

Ennis Dobbins Karns July 4, 2015 at 8:59 am

I vote by the citizens of SC would be the best way instead of leaving it up to politicians.

CoolBreeze July 4, 2015 at 7:19 pm

That will never be an option suitable for those determined to define this symbol according to their own narrative of History. One which includes some truths but also a lot of misunderstanding as to the connection and meaning held by its supporters, and the misappropriation for dishonorable uses by those which had no rightful claim to it. The only outcome they will ever accept is its removal. A statewide referendum would overwhelmingly keep the Flag. This would greatly stall the Southern Cultural Genocide, which began when the movement to rightfully recognize & glorify Dr. Martin Luther King and his good work, veered in many cases from building up someone worthy of recognition, into tearing down the recognition given others.

In city after city across the US there are now MLK Boulevards, and a great many those are nice new roads projects that would be a honorific for anyone. But, there were a great many where either the honor had to be bestowed with great haste, or there perhaps there were no road projects in the foreseeable future. In those cities not just any street would do. Most cities had a major street named in honor for Robert E. Lee, and not just in the South. Many of these now bear the MLK name.

Much like the current frenzy to trash Andrew Jackson, in favor of a Female. Having only the vaguest idea which to elevate, and certainly none that can boast any kind of accomplishments that approach Jackson’s, it is as much or more about tearing something down as about building something else up. That glory plundered is never gained by the new honoree, but the resentment and dishonor is.

We will not sit idly by and submit to Cultural Genocide, just so someone can Cleanse any symbol or reference to something which they do not like, misunderstand, or incorrectly define, when we hold deeply held and supportable views at odds with the popular or PC stance.

HALEY IS DEMOCRAT July 4, 2015 at 7:25 pm

Well done.Haley really showed who she is.A lying devil who turned her back on the people that elected her in SC and sided with the Democrat Party/bigoted American haters.

People tried to tell me.I believe Will Folks.Tom Ervin I owe you an apology,sir.

Haley gets SMELL of the VP slot and we are DOOMED as conservatives.

Sybil July 4, 2015 at 8:39 am

There is no evidence that this money is going to those nine family. We both posted the same link yesterday. What about security? It was handed over by DOJ to the best of my recollection.

I see that Nitrat has covered most of what I had to say on the topic, but to say those nine families are getting “handed” $29 MIL is not only misleading, it is flat out a lie.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:30 am

You’re saying the families need $3.2 million worth of security each?

So then what you’re saying is that every media outlet that is reporting that the families were given $29 million is lying?

tomstickler July 4, 2015 at 9:34 am

It is a fine line between lying and ignorance. Choose on which side you wish to be.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 10:10 am

Which side are you on?

tomstickler July 4, 2015 at 10:59 am

No need for me to choose: only those pushing that $29 million meme have to decide.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 12:17 pm

So do I get to pick for you?

Sybil July 4, 2015 at 9:41 am

DOJ did send the money, but I have read absolutely NOTHING that says these families are getting hand outs. SC has the money, how that money is allocated, none of us know for sure yet. It is very likely that a lot of it will go to extra security in the wake of the rallies, gangs, and so on. The rest? It would be interesting to determine where that money is being spent, but to say they are handing that money to the families is not accurate. 29 MIL was fast tracked, but no where does it say that each family is getting 3.2 MIL. Even snoops the link we both posted the other day disputes your claims. You are spinning the spin of what media outlets have reported.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:47 am

Okay, more has come out since the initial release. But I find the amount interesting considering how previous money has been distributed. Its more than double all the previous amounts combined, 10x the Aurora shooting, 20x the Sandy Hook shooting, and 3.5x the Boston Marathon bombing. The only difference in this situation was race… and President, Attorney General, and Victims all share the same race. The whole program is bullshit, it’s not a role of government to deal with victims assistance. Isn’t that what churches do?

The $29 million payout is significantly more than what was given to assist the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado, theater shooting ($2.9 million); the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting ($1.5 million); and the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing ($8.3 million).

Sybil July 4, 2015 at 10:02 am

I agree is it interesting it is more. I can only speculate as to why. However, it doesn’t really piss me off so much when the federal government sends money back to our state ;). SC has a history of taking money in and using it for other purposes. I can’t recall off the top of my head funds that have came with strings attached that were never really accounted for, maybe it was the housing bailouts? Or maybe it was the cigarettes? Either way, SC got a considerable sum – my guess is we are in the deep south and they were predicting some race riots or need for additional security? Now what will be interesting is to find out how that money is actually spent. If it does benefit the families or if it is funneled into some other discretionary budget that has no accounting.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 10:16 am

Well it pisses me off to know that taxpayer dollars are just being handed out period. You don’t hand out money based on speculation. The federal government had no business getting involved in any of these isolated incidents other than for criminal investigation and maybe prosecution if federal law had been broken. If so then invoice the government.

The US financially is headed in the same direction as Greece because if anyone believe’s we’ll pay bad a penny of our trillion dollars worth of debt they’re kidding themselves. They may funnel money around to make it appear we’re paying but it’s nothing more than robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Sybil July 4, 2015 at 2:53 pm

You may actually be a fiscal conservative Squishy. Do you realize how much federal money SC takes in? There are many articles out there that demonstrate how SC gets more than it’s fair share of federal funds according to multiple sources, as much 7x each dollar paid in. Found a fascinating article in the Greenville news. I am linking that one, the study it was based on, and a couple other sources, so as not to be biased. The 29 MIL that was fast tracked is peanuts in the bigger picture.

cargohook July 4, 2015 at 11:26 pm

Yes, it’s called red state welfare. Taxes paid by pro-union states where wages are higher are funneled into anti-union, anti-Black, reactionary states to keep your Banana Republics afloat. Y’all really want us to cut off your gravy train? Keep playing these games with Black people’s lives and just maybe we will. See how you like that, you ignorant redneck trash. @Squishy123:disqus

cargohook July 4, 2015 at 11:22 pm

Taxpayer dollars have been handed out to erect and maintain Lost Cause monuments for generations while SC citizens wallowed in abject poverty, poor education, diabetes and low wages. I don’t hear you hollering about that, “Squishy”!

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 5, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Fight diabetes by taking down the Rebel flag!!!

Squishy123 July 6, 2015 at 9:12 am

Taking down that flag will fix poverty, poor education, diabetes and low wages in the black community. It’ll also reduce illegitimacy rates and the incarceration (black folk love that term) rate.

Scooter July 5, 2015 at 9:32 pm

Lets start with fixing the roads and call it the C Pinckney Project.

guest July 4, 2015 at 6:41 pm

The Obama administration is fast-tracking a huge payout to the agencies helping victims of the Charleston, South Carolina church shooting, giving the families of those slain millions more in potential assistance than victims from Sandy Hook, Boston, and other mass murders.

The White House will send $29 million to South Carolina in the wake of the June 17 shooting that left nine people dead in a historic black church, according to a Reuters report.

According to Reuters, a chunk of the $29 million — which was allocated as part of the government’s national Crime Victim Assistance Formula Grant program — can help provide services to the families of those killed. Among the dead was Pastor Clementa Pinckney, who also served as a South Carolina state senator.

The $29 million payout is significantly more than what was given to assist the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado, theater shooting ($2.9 million); the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting ($1.5 million); and the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing ($8.3 m

Caught in another lie.

Sybil July 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm

Source it. Both Squishy and I have posted the same link from Snopes, but I’ll post it again.

“That the DoJ allocated $29 million to Charleston victims isn’t in dispute, but so far little information has been provided detailing how it is to be used. Funerals and other related services were likely made possible by help from Uncle Sam, but it also unlikely (as some have speculated) that any grieving family members have been made wealthy through government largesse due to their having lost a loved one at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.”

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 2:56 pm

I agree, too. These crimes were horrific. I am sure that Dylann Roof will not see his 25th birthday. But, I have never heard of governments’ paying victims. Is it paying the black community NOT to riot???

I saw Jesse Jackson at the church. Why does he bring his butt here? The people in Columbia and So Carolina can handle their own business.

cargohook July 4, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Jesse was born and raised in Greenville. I’m no big fan of his (I think he helped sell out the Black freedom movement to the Democratic Party), but he has as much right to visit Charleston as you have, and as much right to speak his mind on current events as you have.

James Grant July 4, 2015 at 10:44 pm

It was because of the Great Forgiveness that was shown from these families quelling in the face of such a barbarous crime any acts of rioting that would have cost far more harm to the REAL taxpayers of South Carolina….not some couch-potato with an Internet connection blaa-blaaing his First Amendment ….

Scooter July 5, 2015 at 9:29 pm

Because it translates into to Demo votes. He does not give a rat’s ass about those people in Charleston.

Please upvote this comment July 3, 2015 at 10:03 pm

… because I trying to win a bet.

Thank you.

The Buzzman July 3, 2015 at 10:13 pm

You’re welcome. You should log in, though, so you can correct your grammer.

Please upvote this comment July 3, 2015 at 10:39 pm

Thanks. I live with my mother and don’t have a job. She asked me to pick my room up and I forgot to log in.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:21 am Reply
SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:24 am

“You should log in, though, so you can correct your grammer.”
You should never correct your grandparents, Buzzy!

Soft Sigh from Hell July 3, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Good. Glad if fell through. There is no reason those parasitizing their great-greatgrandfathers’ valor should gain anything from this.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:20 am

Why pay someone to do something they’ll have to do for free?

Dustin M. Jacks July 4, 2015 at 1:25 am


I will not deny that our Southern ancestors had slavery, but take note of this: According to the website Our founding Father George Washington owned 318 slaves and “What is clear is that Washington frequently utilized harsh punishment against the enslaved population, including whippings and the threat of particularly taxing work assignments. Perhaps most severely, Washington could sell a slave to a buyer in the West Indies, ensuring that the person would never see their family or friends at Mount Vernon again. Washington conducted such sales on several occasions.” Slavery was and is horrible, but our Confederate ancestors inherited a curse that was put on this nation years ago, even after our Founders rejected the outcome of the Dunmore Emancipation. Washington called it an “outrage!’ when it was issued in 1775. Even During the war of 1860-1865, President Lincoln kept two out of the four northern slave states in at gun point (Missouri and Maryland) he needed slave labor to help in his war effort and he also needed cotton. Slavery was mentioned in the Secession documents of the South, during the civil war,because they were reasserting their rights that were granted to them by the US Constitution, as issued by the Supreme Court after the Dredd Scott case and Lincoln would reaffirm this notion with his Corwin Amendment in March 1861. Generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and President Jefferson Davis all were slave owners but looked forward to it’s utter demise. In fact, Jeff Davis made Emancipation plans with Great Britain and France in order to gain their support during the war. My point, is that if we can celebrate our Founding Fathers: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Madison etc. Then why can’t we celebrate our Confederate ancestors? If we start removing things that offend us, then we will never have enough museums for all the 238 years of racism, genocide, and sexism the american flag is responsible for, INCLUDING THE AMERICAN SLAVE TRADE. Let history be history and we will be the PRESENT watchers of it for all time.…/ten-facts-about-washington-sl…/

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:19 am

I will not deny that our Southern ancestors had slavery

mighty white of you, chief!

That must have taken a lot of courage to write.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 7:23 am

Hang a gold star or something on his sheet for recognition!

Gen. Lee July 4, 2015 at 2:46 am

Thanks for admitting that this is all about slavery and racist ‘conservatives’.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 1:49 pm

The post actually points out that it was not all about slavery. Both sides had slaves during the civil war. If the sole purpose of the civil war from the North’s perspective was to abolish slavery then why didn’t they free their slaves before the war? Why didn’t Lincoln free all of the slaves with the Emancipation proclamation. Why did Grant justify keeping slaves by saying that good help was hard to find? The North’s primary concern was not to end slavery. If they had other motives to fight the war then so did the South.

vicupstate July 4, 2015 at 7:31 pm

The South fought to preserve slavery. The North fought to preserve the union.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 7:56 pm

Then why did slave owners like US Grant fight for the south? Why were New Jersey and New Hampshire two of the last states to free slaves? Why were they Union States instead of Confederate States. In fact there were four slave states that didn’t join the confederacy. If secession from the Union was wrong why was WV allowed to secede from Va. at the start of the civil war? There were slave states on both sides of the civil war. The war was over states rights to govern themselves. One of the things that they wanted to decide was slavery. The North didn’t fight to end slavery. They really didn’t fight to preserve the Union. They fought because they needed the southern economy and goods to support the US Economy. Lincoln was willing to allow slavery to keep the Union in tact. The South rejected this because it wasn’t all about slavery. It was about self government.

Pres., Wassamata U Alumni Ass. July 4, 2015 at 8:09 am

Wassamatta U forever!

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 2:19 pm

Your link didn’t work, but here is one that does.

I’m suspicious about the Karl Marx quote. “A people without a heritage are easily persuaded.” is how it is usually quoted.
It’s all over the Internet, but the earliest I can find is in the book “Never Give in: The Extrordinary Character of Winston Churchill (Leaders in Action)” by Stephen Mansfield published in 1997. It has no footnote, nor have I found one anywhere else. I’m not sure this Google book link will work.

I have searched Brainy quotes, Wikiquotes and several other places and haven’t found anything. It is often quoted in books under the subject of Religion.

RogueElephant July 4, 2015 at 7:33 pm

How many times down through history have the winners in any war been subjected to “war crimes trials”? The winner is always the hero and the loser is the big boogie man. SSDD.

mstevens27 July 4, 2015 at 11:43 pm

Terrific post. Another comment. If the North was fighting the South, then why did their two top Generals (Sherman and Grant) have slaves which they kept until way after the war? What this is all about is the Left’s challenge to conduct ethnic cleansing.

Kevin Summerville July 4, 2015 at 1:39 am

It doesn’t need to come down… This is still the south. If y’all keep taking em down we will fly even more .

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:04 am

We don’t care if you fly them as an individual…fly the holy shit out of them… march around in white robes… put up big signs on the front of your house “no niggers allowed – only white people with documentation welcome!” carve swastikas into your forehead… go for it! and more power to you! we care that you fly them to represent the government of the people.

Don’t use the commons for your family pictures, proof of your stygian roots and your religious beliefs… keep those on your desk, or fly pictures of them in front of your house, if your HOA lets you.

We want you to be happy, even if being happy is sitting around with your pals, gorging yourself on beer and pickled pigs knuckles, describing in intricate detail what you’d like to do to that commie motherfucker that gave you a dirty look the other day… wrinkled up his nose and moved to another table as though you smelled like an outhouse. Really!

Watch that foxy news channel and yeehaw and yip and guffaw at all the cool shit they say about Obama’s momma… .listen to Rush Limbaugh at 80 decibels, two 10 inch woofers behind the front seats… laugh until you cry at his musings about feminazis and whores using birth control.

But don’t be surprised if we don’t share your enthusiasm for that kind of thing, especially when it’s inculcated into the objects that represent our legislative process.

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 4, 2015 at 7:29 am

We don’t care if you fly them as an individual…

Euwe might not.

The rest of the Progressive/SJW crowd cares a great deal.

FWIW, TBG suspects there will be tons of Rebel flags at the Daytona race tonight, but you won’t see them on TV…….

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:34 am

The rest of the Progressive/SJW crowd cares a great deal.
The Southern Jehovah’s Witlessnesses? Who cares what they think?

We liberals aren’t averse to rubbing their noses in their own shit, but a man’s *home* is his *castle*!

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 1:34 pm

If you really believe that every citizen of every state has an equal voice called a vote then why aren’t you calling for the citizens of SC to vote on the Confederate Flag and demand that citizens of other states stay out of our business?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:20 pm

why aren’t you calling for the citizens of SC to vote

look, man – I can’t be responsible for you backwoods Republican fucks. If you can’t manage to get people to vote, it’s not my problem. Maybe it’s something in the water.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 2:38 pm

Why aren’t you saying that the people of SC should be allowed to vote on the flag. One man, one vote. Those that don’t vote must not care. Why does some guy from Texas even care about what we do in SC? Doesn’t Texas have enough of it’s own issues to deal with?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 4:06 pm

Why aren’t you saying that the people of SC should be allowed to vote on the flag. One man, one vote. Those that don’t vote must not care.
because, after citizens united, pardner – it’s one *dollar* one vote. And if you peckerwoods can’t muster the energy to say it yourselves, why should we even care? You’re lucky Sherman didn’t push the whole lot of you into the sea!

Why does some guy from Texas even care about what we do in SC? Doesn’t Texas have enough of it’s own issues to deal with?

The contrast makes Texas look bearable.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 4:31 pm

This is totally a SC issue. It has nothing to do with people that live outside of SC. The people of SC had come together after the murders in Charleston until outside interests and agitators from the outside came in with their agenda’s. CNN started trying to stir the pot over the way the bond court judge conducted himself. The liberal race baiters have come in from the outside and took all of the attention off of the memory of those that were murdered. How much more disrespectful can you get?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 4:49 pm

keep your britches on…

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 5:06 pm

IN other words I have made a valid pint that you cannot refute. Therefore, You choose to sidestep it so you can keep pushing your agenda on the citizens of SC.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm

why don’t we crack open that valid pint, and get totally wasted on Independence Day instead of acting the fool the whole damned day.. .what’dya say? We can piss and moan tomorrow and elect the same sons a bitches that brought us out here to die, so they can have that zero turn mower *and* buy that second Lexus for Buffy to replace the one she wrapped around a tree last week.

I’m partial to el Patron, being a Mestizo and all.. You aren’t too good to drink with a liberal-ass son of a hot little share-cropper and a Dutch Irish madman, are ya? I lost 4 prime pussy hunting years marching around in circles at a military academy in Oklahoma, burned a hole in the universe in the 60’s, found Jesus, served 4 years in the militaristic 70’s, avoided the great cocaine boom of the 80’s, lost love, found the z-80 and creative freedom… and I’m *still* rockin’! …so you know I’m up for it!

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 6:15 pm

I’d prefer a nice cold OB Beer or a Foster’s Oil can.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 6:22 pm

suit yourself, I also have 750 ml of Gentleman Jack, and not an addictive bone in my body.

euwe gump July 4, 2015 at 6:57 pm

Except for children, right?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:25 pm

like a lead ingot landing on flat concrete.

Have you considered an online course in mentation?

Sybil July 4, 2015 at 8:13 am

Do you still have that Kilo of flags stashed. I’m tellin’ TBG those will be worth big money some day ;)

No cash July 4, 2015 at 6:28 pm

To who? Most flag supporters can barely make the payments on their trailers.

Sybil July 5, 2015 at 12:04 pm


poo poo July 4, 2015 at 8:06 am

By your rational, we should also remove any resemblance of the word “God, bible, Christian and church” from all monuments, legal language and documents produced by the state, right?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 10:57 am

I think that, as Christians, it is our duty to lead, whenever possible, in implementing the principles of morality and the behavior that God expects of his children, in all of our actions.

One of those principles is wisdom. That is,we must realize that the government of this country was established, not as a theocracy with Christ as its head, but as a psephocracy, in which every member of the state is a citizen with equal power, expressed as a vote. Since then, of course, “every member” has been expanded to include American Indians, blacks, and finally, women.

With the “citizens united” decision, the vote may have even been opened to currency as a citizen – i.e. one dollar, one vote.

Once we have realized that our collective vote is based, not upon any other factor, but our own best judgement, we can set out to create, for the citizens of this country, ourselves included – the best environment for the successful pursuit of happiness for the greatest number of citizens.

In accomplishing this goal it is important to also realize that in accepting a secular process, our leaders are without access to the throne of power, to speak for God.

Instead, wisdom informs us that the most that can be achieved are laws which represent the will of the people – without respect to religion – specifically, the will of the majority of the citizens.

Each one of us votes his or her conscience, whatever religion or philosophy may motivate it. As Christians who submit to this rule by representation of the will of the majority, we must be acutely aware of the two great laws that Jesus set before us – to love God above all things, and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

This departs sharply from rules that might be applied within a Christian community, in which each member is required to hear and obey the message of Christ. Obviously, since within any large community, it may very well be, and I argue always is, that Christians are in the minority. “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and *few* are those who find it.”

So as not to be too arrogant, it should also be realized that if, indeed Christians are in the minority (the numbers are even smaller when the hypocrites are excluded, of course), it is our freedoms that are at risk.

That is, the majority, not being Christian, just like deciding that there’s not enough money for the hungry to be fed, may decide that there’s not enough money to allow churches to go without paying taxes on income, improvements and investments.

It behooves us to realize that we are the guests, and that the lost are in the majority, and it is their patience that we are courting, not the other way around.

To serve Christ, and to be a light on a hilltop, we must be good stewards of the single vote that we own, and apply it with wisdom and humility, and not in willful ignorance or arrogance.

It is only by the example of the lives of children of God, that people without that light can see the fruits of the mercy they have received.

So… as for removing all trace of God, bible Christian, and church… are you asking me as a Christian, or as a member of the majority who sees Christ as a “teacher,” or worse, “a myth to be ignored?”

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:27 am

How long have you been keeping that bottled up?

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 10:19 am

Since I was 4.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 4, 2015 at 9:29 am

Right after 911, when even Maurice’s BigotBQ added an American flag to the CSA panopoly aloft, there was seen a pickup truck in a redneck tribal area (“the valley,” near Aiken and the Georgia border) that had actually replaced one of its SEVEN large rebel flags with an American one.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 11:44 am

bar stool patriots

sparklecity July 4, 2015 at 12:01 pm

I’d hate to see you on a roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW: Rush Limpballs travels to South America for little boy ass………….

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:27 pm

He’s gotta mainline viagra and watch tranny porn to get his pecker up, to overcome his daily feed of housekeeper smack.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 3:35 pm

And his daily feed of housekeeper smack was apparently ototoxic as it deafened him.
Oh if only smack could do for the tongue what it does for the ears!

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 4:55 pm

if it would only do what it did to Sid.

Buck July 4, 2015 at 1:49 pm


You do care what we do with our money, our rights and privileges and our symbols. You care because you are an arrogant shit that’s self-loathing demands you tell the rest of us what to do. You spout off your nonsense as if it had the remotest possibility to change someone’s attitude. Well, my little limp wristed basement dweller, you have yet to make a difference on this blog or no doubt with anyone in your life.

Get a fucking job. get off the internet and find something to do with your time. You are clogging up the internet with much to vapid to comprehend.

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 2:18 pm

I’m sure my tiny little contribution isn’t the only thing you can’t manage to comprehend.

SCBlues July 4, 2015 at 3:33 pm

“You are clogging up the internet with much to vapid to comprehend.”
Hmmm . . . speaking of having difficulty comprehending . . . .

euwe max July 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm

I’ve been in Texas 20 years now.. I’m fluent in redneck.

euweeee is pee wee? July 4, 2015 at 6:32 pm
euwe max July 4, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Paint chips, do you think, or maybe malaria at a critical point in your development?

Kevin Summerville July 5, 2015 at 1:46 am

Haa it’s flying on a confederate monument across from a government business nitwit….by the way I’m not racist but if the south has to fight again I’ll be on the line.

Your boss man July 4, 2015 at 2:35 am

Kevin…soon to be unemployed.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:26 am

Your boss man… soon to be sued for wrongful termination.

johnq July 4, 2015 at 9:48 am

Luckily this is a right to work state. He can be fired at will.

Every time these people stick their racist necks out off with their heads! Let your freak flags fly Kevin. Nothing makes me happier than watch scumbag racists bite the dust!!

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 9:52 am

Then why are there attorneys who make good livings at labor law in this state? I know two people over the years who have sued my employer for wrongful termination… and won. I don’t know anyone who has sued and lost. I don’t know the payout, because of terms of the agreement, but I believe it was two years salary plus legal fees.

johnq July 4, 2015 at 9:54 am

Were they fired for posting racist comments.

Not the same .

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 10:09 am

I don’t know the exact cause for termination. If it was something off the clock and not using company equipment it was not grounds for termination.

Toothless Heritage July 4, 2015 at 6:27 pm

Please fly them. Meth heads need to know where to score.

William Barron July 4, 2015 at 3:02 am

Fight Brothers because in January 2016 there will be a fight in Mississippi, may be the last one but it will be one hell of a fight for the Mississippi State Flag… Deo Vindice

RhettButla July 4, 2015 at 9:18 am

No bribes necessary! Just do the right thing!

Elfego July 4, 2015 at 10:43 am

Shows you how selfish we as Americans have become.No such thing as a compromise. The Flag is up where it is because “Fritz” Hollings a Democrat put it up. Then through compromise we came to a different conclusion. I say we get rid of all flags and when a person has a disagreement over something get rid of it. My disagreement with politics should remove all politicians from the President on down. Back to Survival of the fittest!
Everyone wants their own way.Our Lord Jesus Christ was not even good enough for us!

Lunelle Siegel July 4, 2015 at 11:02 am Reply
Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 5:06 pm

The League of the South is working overtime to prevent this, Lunette. The accursed NAACP, ADL, and SPLC and a few other bottom feeders are at the bottom of this, with funding from the Soros/Adelman cabal.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 5:11 pm

And the Klan, don’t forget your Klan, they’re working hard too.

Look at the sweat on those sheets.

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 5:15 pm

I wish the Klan would work harder, we need all real southern men and women to work to keep the south in southern hands.

Non-Whites can’t run things created by whites. Look at every country in Africa created and run by whites that has been turned over to black rule.

All are basket cases.

Perpetual Losers July 4, 2015 at 6:25 pm

You white southerners are failures. Once again, more sensible and intelligent people are dragging your lazy asses into the present. Now your losing your stupid little flag and there isn’t a damn thing you fools can do about it, but stomp your feet and cry. It’s fun to watch!

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:59 am

You must only watch CNN. The war against our southern symbols is failing. By the end of this week I expect to see massive back pedaling by politicians.

The screams by “the tribe” and their ADL spokesperson will be deafening.

vicupstate July 4, 2015 at 7:40 pm

You are a worthless individual and an embarrassment to our state.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 2:04 am

Really? Funny, my retirement investments say otherwise.

The 4000 soft house on 11 acres do as well.

Note to all here: Ad hominem attacks only prove one think, the vacuousness of your positions.

James Grant July 5, 2015 at 11:22 am

Another couch-potato….

Jeff Traube July 4, 2015 at 11:14 am

“immense pressure from corporate interests” (to remove the flag) ?! I wonder what the Founding Fathers would have thought about selling out to corporate interests. I hope the legislature keeps the flag. Did we rename a Martin Luther King St. when a black guy shot eight white folks at Hartford Distributor, or two cops in Brooklyn were executed ?

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 11:29 am

I wonder of they will attack “Dixie” next. Until they realize it was written by a Union soldier.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Jay-Z and Beyonce will come up with a substitute song.. so nothing to worry about.

Andronus Kalisky July 4, 2015 at 12:55 pm

What is it with North Carolina people? Why are they sticking their nose in this (Nancy Mace). This is South Carolina business and we don’t need any help from North Carolina or anywhere else. All of the people causing trouble at the flag monument are from North Carolina (some via Harlem). People with roots in SC will handle this. Go home, all of you.

GrandTango Returns As Lawrence July 4, 2015 at 1:25 pm

Is Glenn McConnell a member of the KKK? Everybody knows he is secretly backing the flag staying in place. He is just not sneaky enough. Everything these lawless rogues in SC have been doing is coming home to roost. The entire nation sees just how (^%@6%$!H(&%%!!! up South Carolina really is. Haley certainly has egg all over her face. LMAO! LMAO!

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 3:38 pm

You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Haley is at the top of her game. Leatherman is the one with egg on his face for even contimplating a deal. The deal falling through is to Haley’s advantage.

See the news published today. Haley’s stock has risen. She’s a top Vice-presidential prospect.

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 5:04 pm

Nikki Haley has ended her political career on the shoals of the Confederate Battle Flag. For years she claimed to have no problem with where the flag is today, then decided to pander to the worse of the anti-white, anti-southern groups; NAACP and the SPLC.

In the weeks ahead, she’s going to wake up wondering, “why did I do that stupid move”.

Sandi Morals was WRONG! July 4, 2015 at 7:51 pm

BINGO!!!She threw the white Christians and conservatives under the bus.She is finished as a politician.

Be assured the Democrats are laughing at what a spineless,lying witch she is.

One nice thing about it for Haley though…she can stop pretending to be a Christian…Obama has to wait until Jan. 2017.

Sandi Morals was WRONG! July 4, 2015 at 7:31 pm

Haley is a disgrace.Haley is NOT on top of anything.I believe Will Folks about Haley.She is a liar and turned her back on the very people that elected her 2x despite her incompetence and moral failings.

Wasted my time defending her all over this country.She is a lying,RINO/Democrat that sided with Barack Obama and Al Sharpton when she saw her national political ambitions going up in smoke over the flag.

I owe Tom Ervin an apology. He was right.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 1:59 pm

The flag worshipers and loser ancestor worshipers in their crazed paranoia and lies actually bring up some pretty good ideas. Removing all slave state monuments to their traitorous heroes, and their emblems, and even the bones of their traitorous troops from any public property is a project worth some serious effort. Let the traitors’ descendants buy, with their own private funds, some memorial grounds to hold all their sacred debris, from monuments to statues to flagpoles to bones and headstones. We could all support that morally and perhaps with a few dimes.

I know just the place. Conveniently central to the state, near the capital, highly visible, and even near a national cemetery for real heroes.

Do you know that giant garbage dump mountain visible from the interstate east of Columbia? It has to be nearing its ultimate height. I say cap it with a few feet of dirt to grow something and cover the garbage. A generous top coating of that Pelion septic tank sludge could assure a good healthy green. Then put the Confederate memorial and flag from the statehouse at the top and scatter the rest of the loser debris about the rest. Finally can come all the re-interments, though the standard six feet would put them into the garbage unfortunately, though I doubt they would now care.

Problem solved.

Mount Whitetrashmore.

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 4:38 pm

Spoken like someone who is still trying to find out who their real baby-daddy is.

Good luck with that.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 4:43 pm

Twilight of Honky Heaven

Have fun in the dustbin of history.

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 5:02 pm

Not likely, boy.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 5:07 pm

White-trash bin would have been more apt.

Be Hines the times July 4, 2015 at 6:32 pm

Poor Pat. Too stupid to see the writing on the wall.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 2:01 am

The chance of your IQ being anywhere near as high as mine is virtually zero, that goes for your education as well.

Really, any attempt to match wits with me will leave you lying on the virtual floor, bleeding out.

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 2:58 pm

The Confederate Battle Flag, the type flown by the Army of Northern Virginia, should remain where it is, the question over its location should never arise again.

I was recently down at the Old Sheldon Church, just north of Beaufort. This haunting ruin should remind us of the terror of the United States invasion of our beloved state. The United States burned the Church, just as the British had in 1778. Those supporting taking down the Confederate Battle Flag are honoring those United States government terrorists who burned Sheldon Church, that’s the long and short of it.

Those wishing to remove it are traitors to South Carolina, traitors to all real South Carolinians, you should leave South Carolina, never to return. We really detest you and do not want you here.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 4:47 pm

Tough patooties, Tootsie.

The flag is coming down. Their corporate masters have told your Republican masters what to do. You don’t count.

Snot rag July 4, 2015 at 6:31 pm

Kiss that rag goodbye. Only the dumbest of racists will fly that thing publicly. Like Mrs. Hines.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:54 am

Calling me a racist makes you an anti-racist, anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

shifty henry July 4, 2015 at 3:27 pm

I’m remembering that this is Independence Day and I extend best wishes to all who desire to honor it.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 3:57 pm

Best wishes to you. Other events that occurred on July 4th;

jwhite146 July 4, 2015 at 4:07 pm

I feel you are totally wrong with your statement “We also oppose government funding for museum” What do you think National Parks are. History needs to be remembered and not forgot, like many want us to do these days. But I think you hit the nail on the head with “he is under immense pressure from corporate interests to get the flag taken down ” Sadly the voice of the people is not being heard in this matter.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Money for South Carolina Slavery museum?

jwhite146 July 4, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Yes, all of history even the dark parts need to be remembered. If we start whitewashing out the blackest parts of history it is far too easy to relive them.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 6:23 pm

How’s that white elephant turning out?

Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 4:39 pm Reply
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Pat Hines July 4, 2015 at 5:11 pm

Pitchfork Ben Tillman created Clemson University, without him that school would not exist.

It was to be the school for the “rest of us”, as a counterweight to the University of South Carolina. Today, it’s really difficult to tell them apart because they’ve become almost as much of a Marxist activity center as USC has been for several decades.

When we real South Carolinians clean out the Marxists, things will return to normal.

We whites built South Carolina, we run South Carolina, and we always will.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 5:35 pm

Tillman Hall at Clemson was built with Black prison forced labor.

Squishy123 July 4, 2015 at 6:23 pm

Why were they in prison? All prison labor should be hard and forced. This isn’t the fucking Holiday Inn.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 7:05 pm

It was at a time when Blacks couldn’t be policemen, jurers, or voters. There testimony in court would not stand against a white witness. These policies did not engender much respect for white men’s law. Never the less many were debtors or small time thieves (chickens etc.).

Also remarkably very few white prisoners were in labor crews and theirs labor was separate and not equally grueling.

Thumper faraCon July 4, 2015 at 7:13 pm

Thanks Louis.

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 7:28 pm


Thumper farCon July 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm

Haley is a disgrace and NO conservative.Will Folks is correct.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:52 am

“It was at a time when Blacks couldn’t be policemen, jurers, or voters. There testimony in court would not stand against a white witness. ”

I don’t see the problem there, were you attempting to make a point?

The rest of your post makes no sense, primarily because it’s based on fantasy and myths.

If you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:50 am

So what?

Bible Thumper July 4, 2015 at 5:32 pm

Really! You posted a link from Dylann Roof’s favorite website, the Council of Conservative Citizens. You’re just a troll, joking arround, right.

Thumper faraCon July 4, 2015 at 7:40 pm

Get em Thumper! Turn him in! You really have morphed into a socialist.

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:49 am

Roof breathed air, too. So, guess you’d better hold your breath.

James Grant July 5, 2015 at 11:28 am

Actually Bible Thumper is breathing free air not prison air, there is a clear distinction….Breathe Bible Thumper breathe….

swpbbls July 4, 2015 at 5:59 pm

“The anti-white, anti-south onslaught by the national media has failed.”

I hope you’re right. It’s anti-God, too. Don’t leave that one out. This Dylann Roof tool could have been brainwashed by anyone, you know. Also, note that black Christians are the most religious force in the USA. They stand united and don’t back down in the face of threats. This Dylann Roof has started an all out war on every front. And what I can’t get out of my mind is that what he says he wanted is the same thing Obama apparently wants. Imagine that.

Also note that June 17 was the beginning of Ramadan.

Also, have you ever noticed the symbolism of SC’s state flag? The moon, the palm tree – and Charleston is in a key conquest locale. Right there on the beautiful beaches of America.

Sasquachy321 July 4, 2015 at 6:47 pm

Can you work Mexicans into your ravings as a favor to your buddy Trump.

swpbbls July 4, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Mexicans can be on our (the right God’s) side —

vicupstate July 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm

It is you and your ilk that want a race war.

swpbbls July 4, 2015 at 8:24 pm

And you base your conclusion on…?

Pat Hines July 5, 2015 at 1:48 am

The crescent on the South Carolina flag is a gorget, not the moon.

swpbbls July 5, 2015 at 10:41 am

It’s a battle emblem that looks like a crescent moon. They worship war and some sort of moon god/baal. Ummmm….

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 6:12 pm

CNN Poll show that most people consider the flag to be a symbol of southern pride not racism.

Sasquachy321 July 4, 2015 at 6:45 pm

Most people are pretty ignorant.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 6:48 pm

In other words you believe that anyone that disagrees with your views are uninformed?

Saasquachy321 July 4, 2015 at 6:51 pm

If that is what I meant, that is what I would have said.

Read just the words that are there. Don’t delude others.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 7:10 pm

That is what you said. It shows the superiority complex of the liberal minority. Do you know the meaning of the word ignorant or are you ignorant of the definition of the word ignorant?

Sasquachy321 July 4, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Try harder.

Speak D Truth July 4, 2015 at 7:57 pm

You aren’t worth the effort. You don’t even know the meaning of the words that you are using.

CoolBreeze July 4, 2015 at 6:16 pm

It is not coming down. No way, no how.

Logan July 4, 2015 at 6:36 pm

The blacks are going to be pretty pissed when the majority of South Carolinians get their wish, and the flag stays where it is.

Sasquashy321 July 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm

Let’s see. Lexington and Anderson county mouthy but impotent rednecks on one side and South Carolina’s big corporate bosses on the other.

The flag goes.

shifty henry July 5, 2015 at 11:50 pm

NEWS FLASH >>>> Pelion threatens to secede! GrandTango calls for Bub Shumpert Road to be converted to a moat. Volunteers now being recruited for cavalry guards! Enlistment bonuses offered — four free passes each to Peanut Festival and Chitlin’ Strut.

Sasquachyh321 July 4, 2015 at 11:52 pm

Removing the flag will get Nikki a choice GOP appointment. She did the right thing, morally and politically, and you flag saps can go scratch. She doesn’t need the redneck dregs any more.

Toyota Kawaski July 6, 2015 at 9:36 am

yes sir Mr. Rich I will keep writing them Keep sending the checks.

Rebel Bill February 19, 2016 at 12:10 am

I smell a Yankee.


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