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SC School Choice Program Hits $8 Million Cap

DEMAND FOR PALMETTO STATE’S FLEDGLING CHOICE PROGRAM IS HIGH By FITSNEWS || While a constitutional drama rages over the state of South Carolina’s court-mandated “minimally adequate” education standard, the Palmetto State’s fledgling parental choice program scored a major victory this year. Earlier this month, the cap on donations to the…

DEMAND FOR PALMETTO STATE’S FLEDGLING CHOICE PROGRAM IS HIGH

By FITSNEWS || While a constitutional drama rages over the state of South Carolina’s court-mandated “minimally adequate” education standard, the Palmetto State’s fledgling parental choice program scored a major victory this year.

Earlier this month, the cap on donations to the state’s successful special needs scholarship program was quietly reached.  In fact the $8 million ceiling on awards was met with seven months to spare (South Carolina’s fiscal years begin on July 1 and run through the following June 30).

You might assume those working with students in the program would be thrilled – but you’d be wrong.  In fact the ease with which this threshold was attained demonstrates the pervasive demand for choice among special needs parents.  It also demonstrates the urgent need to expand this program – and to broaden parental choice in South Carolina beyond just special needs students.

“It is gut wrenching,” explained Neil Mellen, whose IndependentED.org website has become the homepage for parents, schools and scholarship donors looking to participate in the program.  “An arbitrary and artificial limit is preventing thousands of the most needy and vulnerable children in South Carolina from receiving the instruction and services their parents want for them.”

Indeed … the power of the marketplace is working so well that this first come, first-served program has exhausted its budgetary limitation just five months into the fiscal year.

Through the Educational Credits for Exceptional Needs Children (ECENC), a special class of highly regulated charities were authorized to provide select students with grants to attend credentialed, specialty private schools.  These charities (or scholarship funding organizations – “SFOs”) issue grants of up to $10,000, but average less based on the specific needs of individual families.  The grants can cover the costs of tuition, transportation and textbooks for children deemed eligible to attend state authorized private schools.

We’ve highlighted some of the stories of these inspiring students and schools (HERE and HERE).  And while there is a massive range of disabled students who are served – and an incredibly elective group of schools that support them – a general pattern has begun to emerge.

“The data we’ve collected show students benefiting from the program are a diverse, high-need group of children, noted Mellen, who conducts school, student and SFO surveys. “A thread that runs through a majority of cases is that the student has moved around in the past, often attending more than one public, charter, online or homeschool, as his or her frustrated parents sought the right classroom. A majority of these children also have siblings still at traditional public schools, public charter schools, magnet or public online schools, showing the ECENC families are not sterotyped ‘private school families,’ but rather pragmatic educational choosers and consumers who know what each unique son or daughter needs.”

The successes of the program –not to mention the sympathetic nature of the students it serves– has limited direct attacks on the popular program.  Even some public school teachers and district officials have quietly concede the private school scholarships function as a let-off valve in their high cost special education programs.  Still, those invested in opposing the effort have tried to quietly suggest a fraction of parents receiving scholarships might also be SFO donors.

This “critique” is wrong for two reasons, and simply stupid for another.

S.C. STUDENTS
S.C. STUDENTS

First, the ECENC specifically forbids quid pro quo deals – thus preventing donors from making any move to direct their support to a certain student school.  Since donors are seeking federal deductions and or state credits, they are held to the same “guilty until proven innocent” standards of IRS nonprofit charity giving.  As a former S.C. Department of Revenue (SCDOR) director explained to a group of school principals over the summer, it falls entirely on the giver to prove he was “motivated by detached and disinterested generosity benefiting a charitable purpose rather than expected economic benefit.”

That bar is set very high, covering “the substance, rather than merely the form, of the contribution and related and surrounding transactions.”

Second, just as families can choose among schools, so can families and donors choose among scholarship funders.  What differentiates one SFO from another within the ECENC rules (including a mandate to spend 95 percent of all revenues on scholarships) is how each differentiates itself in techniques and specialization.

The St. Thomas Aquinas SFO, for example, focuses on low-income disabled students seeking faith-based and inclusion-based instruction – notably at Catholic Schools. Meanwhile SC DESK, another SFO, emphasizes awarding grants to applicants with the greatest levels of disability and financial hardship.

These two entities – and another SFO dubbed “Advance Carolina” – use double blind scholarship awarding panels who stick to clear and published criteria for grant awarding among eligible applicants.

More to the point, middle income families whose disabled children attend specialized private schools are – by their own financial sacrifices – saving taxpayers massive sums of money.  While so-called average students represent roughly $12,000 in local, state and federal public funding, those in the public school special education programs can see allocations that double, or in some cases triple that sum.

Providing all parents who invest in their own children’s education with individual credits has long been a goal sought by this site and others.  Merely suggesting that some special needs parents might be giving to charities that serve special needs through ECENC scholarship – and doing it before April 15th when donors begin to formally claim, defend and received their credits – is really an argument to expand school choice, not an empirical or compelling complaint against the ECENC.

Folks actually working on the ECENC are too busy to worry about such things.

“We have an in-house policy of never taking donations from parents whose kids seek a scholarship, or awarding scholarships to students whose parents have given money,” explained Michael Acquilano of the St Aquinas SFO.

Acquilano has spent the last 18 months crisscrossing the state working with schools and families.

“Though the issue has never come up; we focus on serving low-income children and our donors tend to be faith-motivated benefactors who see this as a social justice project,” he said.  “They very rarely have school aged kids of their own.”

Acquilano, like Mellen, downplayed the “achievement” of reaching the $8 million credit limit as some type of intrinsically significant indicator.

“I don’t worry about the cap at all,” he said. “Measuring or evaluating the program by the $8 million mark misses the whole point. Even the (minimally adequate) lawsuit ruling conceded dollars and other quantifiable inputs are basically irrelevant, and certainly not correlated to, student outcomes.  This program is a life changing opportunity for many individual, high-need, children across the state.  Dollars or credits claim may make that happen but can’t ever be the yard stick for gauging something so personal and sacred.”

We’ve been saying for years that one size fits all school with their ever growing budgets and political patronage machines won’t improve and specialize until they are forced to compete.  That’s why the “best” public schools are those in areas with the most accessible alternatives for parents.

But in our view meeting the $8 million cap so quickly is a big accomplishment – one sending a clear signal that taxpayers in South Carolina are ready and eager to invest directly in programs that work, rather than merely dump more money blindly into “the (government-run) pot” and hope something of value trickles back into their community.

When it clearly hasn’t …

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51 comments

Go cocks November 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm

Gee, I would like to have a 1:1 credit for enhanced protection of waterways in South Carolina. While were at it, can I get a 1:1 credit for better mental healthcare too? This program is smoke and mirrors at its finest. I can direct the government to take some of the taxes that I would have paid anyways and only spend those funds on a program that I agree with. There is certainly nothing wrong with the program. Indeed, it is admirable. The funding method, however, is laughable.

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 3:23 pm

You’ve spent billions on all of that Bull-$#!t, and it’s more F*#ked up than when you started. Who in the H#!! would give you failed pieces of S#!t more money???…you ARE the problem…Dumb@$$…

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Speak Out November 24, 2014 at 3:58 pm

Did you attend public school in SC? Reading your comment is a perfect arguement for options other than public schools.

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Tired, simpleton cliche much?

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Speak Out November 24, 2014 at 5:57 pm

So you were. You should offer yourself and comments up to those championing school choice. Just a simple billboard with any random comment you make with the tag line “This person attended SC public schools. Do you want your children to be this dumb when they grow up? Vote for school choice!”

GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 7:21 pm

Again: You are but a tired cliche…you have no insight or creativity. You put forth simple stupidity…We understand that you can insult those who reject your failure…but you have no ability to explain what you are talking about or articulate anything other than shallowness and trite ignorance.

Speak Out November 24, 2014 at 8:39 pm

Again, you come off as very dumb with your comments. Use that stupidity for a cause you believe in. Oh wait, you already are, are you? Oops…carry on.

PS Administrators Unite! November 24, 2014 at 3:21 pm

If there’s one thing that will whip up the supporters of failing public education systems, it’s success being funded by taxpayers to entities outside the public school system.

The gravy train is being threatened, time to stamp out the competition.

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Smirks November 24, 2014 at 3:32 pm

It’s just a matter of time until private schools find a way to duck accountability by the state so they can reach for the gravy without getting their dirty hands slapped for it. Needless to say they’ll likely be aided by corrupt legislators looking to get in on the gravy train themselves.

So it is with other public-private collaborations, so it will be with this. Of course, when this happens, I’m sure FITS will be the first one to throw the go-to Libertarian get-out-of-debate-free card:

“NOT A TRUE FREE MARKET!”

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Fascism 101 November 24, 2014 at 3:43 pm

” I’m sure FITS will be the first one to throw the go-to Libertarian get-out-of-debate-free card:

“NOT A TRUE FREE MARKET!”

Does it irk you because it’s true?

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Smirks November 24, 2014 at 5:23 pm

It’s always true because the fabled “free market” doesn’t exist. It never has and never will. Whenever something inconvenient pops up the libertarian will look for the nearest thing and say it unduly influenced the market.

And that’s how it will go with taxpayer subsidization of private schools. Standards will be taken out, accountability circumvented, and a bunch of pols and private school admins making bank off the ignorance of the public. And when that ignorance is shattered by a whistleblower, the inevitable calls will come trickling in:

“NOT A TRUE FREE MARKET!”

Of course, the “true free market” solution is zero taxation and zero taxpayer subsidization. Let the serfs fend for themselves, you can’t get any more “liberty” or “freedumbs” packed into any other solution! I’m sure the masses will line up in droves to vote for that!

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:27 pm

School Choice is not a Libertarian idea. It is a conservative idea.

Tom November 24, 2014 at 5:33 pm

School choice is a idea of racists, elitists, and people who want the government to pay for religious education.

Smirks November 24, 2014 at 5:33 pm

Better tell the Libertarian think tanks that, as well as many, many libertarians.

Fascism 101 November 24, 2014 at 5:49 pm

“I’m sure the masses will line up in droves to vote for that!”

You never know, maybe one day in the future they might.

But, alas, you are right- today-the free shit army is the most important vote and dash’s any hope for a market that would ultimately benefit only hard workers.

Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:26 pm

So you want to stick with the socialist system which has proven it’s superiority. If your way is so good, why not use it to build cars like in East Germany?
The public school System is the most unaccountable. No school ever gets closed. If it fails, they get rewarded with more money. At least with GM and Chrysler the stock holders lost.

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Tom November 24, 2014 at 5:30 pm

Public education has brought more people out of poverty and oppression than any other force in history. Returning to an elitist system of educating the rich one way and the poor and middle class another way will reverse that course. Of course those who benefit will never admit that.

When you can come up with a way to assure that who you are, what your religion is, who your parents are and what race you are does not determine your admission to these new state supported private schools, there may be room to talk. But those who have their kids in private school do not want to compete for spots, they just want money.

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:47 pm

Public education has brought more people out of poverty..
So did the Roman Empire up until its time. The public school system is becoming more Top down. It use to be under local control. Of course, federal control brought money to poor areas and ended segregation, but now it stifles innovation and doesn’t meet local needs.

Smirks November 24, 2014 at 5:48 pm

Public education has brought more people out of poverty and oppression than any other force in history.

Name any other first world country that has public education that whoops ours.

Okay, well, name five.

Okay, well, ten.

Fifteen?

Twenty. Name twenty!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

Oh fuck it, I give up. But you see, public education is clearly the problem!!!

Smirks November 24, 2014 at 5:45 pm

So you want to stick with the socialist system

Obamacare is evil and socialist because subsidies, mandates, regulation, gubmint colluding with private industry.

Hey guys, we should have a system of subsidies, mandates, regulation, and gubmint colluding with private industry to handle education!

The public school System is the most unaccountable.

The public school system is far more accountable than the private school system. Public schools are subject to curriculum requirements, testing standards, and are constantly graded.

You’re confusing the ability to be held accountable with the public actually holding the failures accountable.

What happens in a taxpayer-subsidized private system of education is that you remove those curriculum requirements, testing standards, public grading, etc. from the equation, but still hand over taxpayer dollars to the schools. Usually it’s based on whether the school appears to be successful, but you can Google for yourself instances where such schools will fudge numbers or outright lie to keep the gravy flowing.

You’re asking for a greater potential of corruption, at a greater cost to the taxpayer, through a system that will guarantee unequal education, and hailing it as some miracle cure to our country’s education woes.

Keep in mind that the public’s failure to hold publicly-elected school boards and politicians accountable for our failing public schools will equally fail to hold private schools accountable.

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Fudging numbers? That happens on a regular basis in public schools. Google “school cheating scandal” and you get public schools not private. You talk about standards. They mean nothing without results. Every study ever done shows that private school students and home schoolers out perform public school students at college.

nitrat November 25, 2014 at 10:16 am

Monticello.org

Extract from Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe
Paris Aug. 13. 1786.

I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowlege among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness.

Was Thomas Jefferson a socialist?

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 3:21 pm

When FITS whines on about Republicans not doing anything good…but then he has to admit the success of this school choice program…it may tell you why his candidates top out at 3 or 4% of the vote, unless you include Sheheen…

The Charter school expansion is a MAJOR assault toward Democrat dominance of education. I’ve always believed you must TAKE education from the dumb@$$ liberals who destroyed it to fix it…and alternate choices is one way to put them asunder…

There still needs to be equal funding for charter…so good teachers will not be left to endure those who don’t care about their children…in public Democrat education…

Also FITS claims: “a constitutional drama rages over the state of South Carolina’s court-mandated “minimally adequate” education standard”…He’s full of $#!t again….our legislature has been given the leeway to do it how they want, and take as long as they want….Most Republicans know throwing money at it, will not make a difference as long as you have Democrat idiots in these Corridor of Shame districts…until they elect Republicans, and think more Conservative (responsible male-female – parental unit) they’ll always be @$$-backward, no matter what the SCOSC says…You cannot litigate away liberal ignorance…we will be D@*ned with it, until they wise up…

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Smirks November 24, 2014 at 3:40 pm

You’re starting to sound like one of those Liberal-Tarians.

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 4:44 pm

Where do you think Liberal-Tarians got the idea of limited government, you idiot???…it’s the only thing that gives them any appeal whatsover….

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Smirks November 24, 2014 at 5:50 pm

But I thought you told us Liberal-Tarians like big government. Now they like limited government? Limited big government perhaps?

You’re confusing.

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 7:25 pm

It likely does confuse you. It’s why the Liberal-Tarians do it. If they were up front, they’d be rejected by everybody, instead of picking up a small percentage of the GOP vote.

I said Liberal-Tarians RESULT in Big Government, stupid. You need to pay attention to detail. Liberal-Tarians claim adherence to freedom and smart government. It’s how FITS can separate himself from the Disaster of Obama. He clams to be in the middle, not D and not R. But all they do is get Democrats elected…Get it, Dumb@$$?..if you do, maybe I’m getting somewhere…

Not buying it November 24, 2014 at 3:56 pm

GrandTango should be scared. A smarter, more educated populace is a more liberal populace. Conservstives know this and don’t want better educational standards. They want the choice to send their children to a ‘school’ that will perpetuate their ignorance.

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GrandTango November 24, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Is that why all the @$$-backward -failing – schools are in districts that have been ruled by Democrats for generation after generation??…but the BEST schools, that compete nationally, are in districts with GOP leadership???

Sounds like the Corridor of Shame, must’ve educated you….LMAO…Dumb@$$….

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This state could be better November 24, 2014 at 5:25 pm

What the hell are you talking about? NOTHING has been ruled Democrats in recent memory in this state. Tell the truth about schools, the affluent, suburban communities provide unlimited resources to their families and kids, and say pull yourselves up by the bootstraps to the minority communities. Same with state universities. Clemson and USC have been cut tremendously, but not to the point that they are in danger. SC State has to sit back and wait while “leadership” plays ransom games with funding.

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Derp November 24, 2014 at 6:03 pm

The only reason any public SC school would be considered to be “competing nationally” is because they have to include all states. Sorta like how the Special Olympics hand you a metal for showing up.

True Believer November 24, 2014 at 3:29 pm

The “demand” has nothing to do with support of schools and everything to do with a fantastic series of tax breaks for the donors THAT THEY PROFIT FROM and also this COSTS taxpayers more than the money being spent. As a conservative and a libertarian you should hate this program! Wise up!

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140713/PC05/140719981

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Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo November 24, 2014 at 7:33 pm

This is the best scam, er scheme, going: the tax credits should be added back to income to eliminate the double benefit you are referring to (100% credit and charitable deduction) but the SC DOR is apparently too lazy to issue the 1099-G (as required by Fed law) to make sure it gets reported. End result another benefit taken by the unscrupulous (or poorly advised) at the expense of the public.

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SpecialneedsCarolina November 24, 2014 at 3:51 pm

Just move to another state, tell them you’re from SC and, voila!, your child will now seen as a “special needs” student. Then go choose a school for the dumb little booger.

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Terry November 24, 2014 at 5:24 pm

There is some truth to SC’s reputation. But other near by states are dumbing down so much our relative reputation is getting better. I live near the NC border. It use to be that when a SC child moved to NC, the local school looked at them with scepticism. But now that McCrory and Tillis have screwed NC schools up so badly, they really can look down on anyone.

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Dan November 24, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Some truth? I lived it growing up. Moving from and back to SC a few times. Always behind when I moved. Always ahead when I returned. SC schools are way behind other parts of the country. I know.

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nitrat November 25, 2014 at 10:14 am

SC schools or the schools in the SC district you attended?

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9" November 24, 2014 at 4:10 pm

Fits’ special brand of white trash elitism.If you were only in touch with reality.My late partner spent over 20 years working with autistic children,and five of those living with them in a group home.I can’t imagine you doing anything that doesn’t focus on,Will Fits.

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:32 pm

The Education establishment chooses to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the success and popularity of school choice all over the country. No matter where they try it, it is wildly popular and has hardly ever been canceled where it has been tried.

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Tom November 24, 2014 at 5:34 pm

There is no evidence school choice has improved public education anywhere. There is no evidence school choice is designed to help people in public school.

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 5:40 pm

Opponents of School choice in Wisconsin used the fact that public schools out performed private schools as an augment against school choice. What they didn’t say was that both systems improved after school choice. I have posted research before. I’m not doing it from my phone. It has also been shown that when parents have a choice they are more involved with their children’s education.

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Tom November 24, 2014 at 7:23 pm

The studies you presented were all by biased sources. Those supporting vouchers or tax credits. There is no independent evidence, and no way to obtain it without requiring private schools to be tested.

No one can explain to me how its fair to make people with kids in public school and people with no kids pay more so that people who chose private school can pay less. Paying for people already in private school will not save one dime of taxpayer money. Its just another outflow. As I said, if admission into private schools was fair and unbiased, and everyone had to compete for a slot, maybe competition would help. But that is not in the cards, because people with kids in private school do not want that to happen. They want things to stay as they are, but the state pay their school bill.

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Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 10:27 pm

Tom,

“The studies you presented were all by biased sources.”
ALL SOURCES ARE BIASED. Corollary: You say sources that you disagree with are biased. I say sources that I disagree with are biased. Scientists have understood this and require that studies be double-blind or even triple-blind. If these procedures can be followed then a biased source an fairly conduct a study. I once read an academic paper about how difficult and often useless studies of uniquely human activities are. In a drug study it is easy to hide from both patient and researcher who gets the medicine and who gets the placebo. This can’t be done in education. Trial studies tend to be more successful than roll outs to the larger public because in the trials people
know they are being studied and seek to please researchers who have a vested interest in its success.

It is also difficult to study a subject that is subjective as opposed to objective. What is a quality education? The researcher’s opinion on that is going to profoundly affect the design of the study. Who should decide what a quality education is? Should that definition be the same for everyone? Should some basic standards be set and individuals be allowed to decide on what they want above and beyond the basics?

Studies cannot measure intangibles. A parent may choose a school further from home but on her way to work to avoid a
bus trip. How do you measure the educational value of fifteen minutes with a parent each morning as opposed to a thirty minute bus route? How do you measure the value of personally knowing a student’s teacher compared to having him taught by a stranger? How can you measure the value of religious education at the parents own expense at a private school? Do you even want the government measuring such things? There are many things that parents can evaluate that benefit their child that can’t be measured by a study.

Fairness.
It is the current system that is unfair. If you are wealthy though, you can afford to live and move to a school district that has better schools. In my own work I have seen how just a few feet difference in property location can affect values. I have seen identical properties vary in price by fifty percent just because of which side of the district line they are. If you are wealthy enough you can afford to send your children to private schools. People who have already been sending their kids to private school have been paying their taxes and saving the public the expense of educating their child. I propose that a voucher program be rolled out over time. Private schools could not be expected to expand suddenly not knowing the demand. Start with a lottery for the number of students a school can handle. Current Private school parents can apply also, but if they are not chosen they can continue to pay their full expenses. I am sure some method that balances the savings of private verses public with the expense of vouchers to current private school students can be designed. Some private schools will be ineligible because they won’t accept all students.

Bible Thumper November 24, 2014 at 11:41 pm

Notice in the top picture, the kids aren’t taught how write cursive. They’re not holding their pencils with the right grip or angle. I have seen high school graduates holding pencils or pens the same way.

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nitrat November 25, 2014 at 10:03 am

Do you think enough cursive is taught in all private schools to enable kids to remember how to do it when they get to 7th grade?
I sub in one and that is not the case.
Gee, I would have thought that since this is a FITS piece about the perfection of the private schools, that the picture above is of students in a private school…or, just a generic photo from the web.
But, you make a lot of assumptions, don’t you?

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ELCID November 25, 2014 at 1:15 pm

Just look at Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, Schools for a classic example of what happens when public schools are undermined by private schools.

They have ruined the public school systems in Charlotte. And, allowed high priced private schools to take over. It’s been a big loser for education and education costs controls. You have to pay thousands of dollars to the private school rip offs, just to get your child an average education. Public schools have been underfunded with little voted tax increases to support them for decades. Because all their money is going to private schools.

Dutch Fork, Irmo, Lexington, Dreher, and etc. South Carolina Public High Schools are statistically, as good, or better than any Public or Private High Schools in Charlotte.

If you want to send your kid to a private school, then go ahead, nothing is stopping you. Just don’t send the taxpayers your bill for doing it!

We should be focusing on the poor public school funding along I-95 “Corridor of Shame.” Instead of Private School rip offs in South Carolina.

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pammylou December 7, 2014 at 4:45 pm

I love your type ! “We”should.
You are a real We we man! Shoulda coulda woulda!
Don’t include me in your we we rant! Who is “we” according to you?
You obviously got ripped off on _your_ education!
Here…look into the education you think you have.
The Underground History of American Education: A Schoolteacher’s
Intimate Investigation Into the Problem of Modern Schooling is a
critique of the United States education system by John Taylor Gatto
If you are too lazy to read about the education you got and what it was intended to do?
Then there are videos of John Taylor Gatto who made the mistake of educating wildly successful inner city students.
Teacher of the year more than once in NYC.But then they told him they didn’t want “those” children to be successful.They like them stupid.So John Taylor Gatto wrote his books to explain the US education system ,and I suggest you find out something about your own education before you spew your imaginary fallicies.I say this as I’m afraid someone might take you seriously!

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ELCID December 8, 2014 at 9:55 am

Pammylou, You need to relax and calm down.

The world does not circle around you.
You made some good points, but you lost the argument in your biased ranting.

Make your points clearly with facts and control.
It’s not what you want to be true.

It’s the facts that will set you free, not wishful thinking.

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pammylou December 8, 2014 at 10:29 pm

You didn’t actually say anything there.
You spew pedestrian nonsense.
You’re a funy little guy!
But not too bright.

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pammylou December 11, 2014 at 3:53 am

I bet you wish that I would feel stupid after you said that but the joke is on you!
That’s fallacy number 74

Wishful thinking
– a specific type of appeal to emotion where a decision is made
according to what might be pleasing to imagine, rather than according to
evidence or reason.[74]
You are a meme repeater and I’m a meme maker.Of course you wish you could squirm out with a fallacy,because someone not breying the same old thing the 2 party crack smokers bray must confuse you.
It’s not liberal or conservative and you’re a deer in the headlights.
You meme repeaters always spew about these phony idols like Reagan and have the attention span of a fruit fly on macro level.
Repeating what you see in the mainstream and following the herd instead of investigating for yourself to use reason to come to logical conclusions.And it’s pathetic for me to watch the 2 party crackpipers

be destroyed for their lack of education,and lack of knowledge.Here’s a newsflash.The US didn’t win WW2.We brought them all here to run top secret space and defense projects.It takes a while but maybe you’ll see the Presidents you see on TEEEE VEEE are fictions in a fictional du jour construct.It is not a defacto construct.2 party crackpipers and their gods like Reagan puff that stuff and make it so! Your idols are corrupted. Repent or Perish I always say.

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menapauselady November 26, 2014 at 8:24 pm

I can tell you as a parent of a special needs child, no parents have been given any explanation of tax incentives or tax credits until recently. It’s a good idea, but I don’t trust the government with their promises.

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