U.S. Speaker of the House John Boehner (RINO-Ohio) offered Barack Obama a six week extension of the federal debt limit with no strings attached – but the president declined to take this blank check. Instead, Obama stuck to his promise not to negotiate until the GOP had passed a spending plan that funds his signature health care law.
He may get that sooner than he thinks as “Republican” resistance to Obamacare – and other new deficit spending – is melting away in the nation’s capital just ten days into a partial government “shutdown.”
Boehner described his offer as a “good-faith effort on our part to move halfway to what he’s demanded in order to have these conversations begin.”
In reality, it’s total capitulation. Seriously, think about how ridiculous that statement is for a moment … moving halfway just to begin negotiations?
Not even Neville Chamberlain was such a pushover …
Boehner basically extended Obama a six-week blank check for God only knows how much additional deficit spending just so he would “begin the conversation” on the so-called government shutdown (which oh by the way involves only 17 percent of federal expenditures).
Boehner later added that the GOP could “reopen the federal government by early next week” if Obama accepted his debt ceiling proposal … you know, the one with no strings attached.
Amazing … even the Polish Army lasted thirty-seven days.
We shouldn’t be surprised by any of this, of course. Remember … the last time these two sides got together on a “debt deal” the government blew through $2.4 trillion in deficit spending in just seventeen months. Oh, and Obama and the “divided” Congress have cut only $50 billion of the $2.1 trillion they are supposed to cut by 2022 in exchange for all that “free money.”
Astoundingly, Boehner even got the “conservative” Heritage Foundation to jump on board with his plan.
While the organization said it did not necessarily support the debt limit proposal Boehner offered, it was “committed to giving House Leadership the flexibility they need to refocus the debate on Obamacare” and would therefore not penalize anyone for supporting the plan.
What?
Fiscal conservatives in Congress were incredulous.
“Who is running that place?” one told us.
Oh … right. This guy.
A full GOP capitulation to Obama is at hand, people.
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The entire Upstate GOP delegation agrees with getting this stupidity over with. http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131010/NEWS/310100038/Area-GOP-lawmakers-say-budget-talks-productive
Meanwhile, you and Erick Erickson cry over it. More, please. Your tears are delicious.
Waaa, waaa, waaa. The clown show that is the Suicide Caucus (including Duncan, Gowdy and Mulvaney) forced Boehner to renege on his deal with Reid for a clean CR for the budget with no demands to defund the PPACA.
Then they kept digging deeper into their hole when they started to demand more and pivoted to the debt ceiling.
Who is more worthy of blame? Duncan, Gowdy and Mulvaney, or Boehner? Or maybe the idiots that voted them into office in the first place?
I blame Boehner more simply because he’s only doing all of this shit to keep his job. I’m sure the other three stooges you mentioned have their own interests to keep in pressuring him, but at least some of them, likely to varying degrees, feel like they are “fighting the good fight.”
Actually you’re not far off. Rumors started floating about the capitulation the night before and I think that the Repuklitards jumped on board with the rest of the commies to pick up a little positive PR from the DOW. I don’t think they’re doing for much other than that at the moment. Clearly they would benefit better had they stood their ground. Fracking RINO’s.
The DOW was up primarily from the affirmation of the QE infinity.
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The POTUS just signed a bill, so how do you get: DC Dealing: Total GOP Capitulation Imminent???
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILITARY_DEATH_BENEFITS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-10-10-20-17-04
It’s too bad you right-wing assholes can’t be honest about something: Obama inherited almost all of the debt from Bush and his GOP Congress. Remember those unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts and unfunded Part Ds?
I don’t agree with “almost all of” it, but definitely a good chunk of it. Also, Obama hasn’t been good with the wars/MIC and he made a lot of the Bush tax cuts permanent.
The mainstream GOP should be happy that they got Dubya the Second on those things.
“Almost all of the debt from Bush?” This is rich from someone complaining about the dishonesty of others.
Bush spent too much, but he is an amateur compared to Obama. Bush accumulated less than $5 trillion in his two terms. Obama is already at $6 trillion, and on pace to get to $10 trillion (thus doubling the total debt accumulated through the entire history of our republic before he came into office). His rate of increase at a comparable point in his presidency is 57%, while the percentage for Bush and Clinton was in the 30s.
Look at this chart and try to convince any rational person that Obama has spent less than Bush. http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/special-obama-budget-deficits-chart-sm.jpg
You guys are stupid cows if you ‘think’ Obama’s spending is responsible for the increase in debt. It’s Bush’s spending and Bush’s complete economic collapse that we’re paying for.
It’s interesting you tack Bush’s last fiscal year’s (2009) deficit ($1.5T) onto Obama’s.
Bush doubled the accumulated debt, doubled federal spending, doubled unemployment, lopped 25% off the DOW and created no private sector jobs before collapsing the entire economy and throwing millions more out of work.
You guys are racist cows with one talent: parroting the bullshit talking points you’re fed.
How’d that Romney landslide turn out? You fuckers are impotent wimps who lost to the colored Kenyan boy TWICE!
I didn’t tack on anything. It is not my chart. But you go by fiscal year. And most calculations hit Bush for TARP but then give Obama credit for the recoupment. So if anything, Obama gets the benefit of any overlap.
I know facts are hard and insults are easy, but good gracious. Unemployment under Bush went from 4.2% to 7.8% when Obama was inaugurated (that is not double, by the way), but averaged 5.3% during his 8 years. What is Obama’s average?
Are you really so close minded and partisan that you absolve Obama for any blame? $10 trillion on his watch will be Bush’s fault? Do you not see how stupid that sounds? Obama has been president for 5 years now. Is there any shelf life on the pathetic blame Bush narrative?
“Average” unemployment rate? WTF is that? The fact is Bush left Obama with an 8% (10% after the dust settled) unemployment rate after inheriting a 4.2% rate from Clinton.
The fact is Bush left Obama with an accumulated debt he doubled and a final fy deficit of $1.5 trillion after inheriting balanced budgets from Clinton.
The fact is Bush left Obama with trillions of unfunded spending that still has to be paid.
The fact is Bush left Obama with an economy that had just thrown 6 million people off the payrolls after inheriting an economy that created 23 million under Clinton
It is the average rate of UE over the 8 years he was president. It is a more representative mark of his policies than picking one of the 2 times it was ever over 7% during his time. Bush also had to deal with 9/11 and the accompanying recession in his 1st year, and note we had an actual recovery from that recession unlike our ongoing stagnation under Obama. I would also point out we have Democrats to largely thank for that housing crisis, but I doubt you can have an honest, rational discussion of that (note: I said largely, Bush shares in the blame as well).
So you are just going to ignore the fact that 2009 jumped because of appropriations that Obama signed and Bush threatened to veto (and include huge jumps from Obama’s stimulus)? Even with you fudging the numbers, Obama still blows Bushs’ doors off whether you project over 8 years or just compare actual spending over the comparable terms). Obama has done nothing to get our debt under control, and has doubled down on the craziness. I have a laundry list of complaints about Bush, but your inability to even acknowledge any fault for Obama is delusional.
If you steal my wallet and it has $700 in it and I get it back a week later empty, you didn’t steal an average of $100 from me, you stole $700.
Bush didn’t hand Obama an average unemployment rate, he handed him a 10% unemployment rate.
You could at least get your talking points correct. He handed him a 7.8% rate, not 10%, which Obama has hardly moved (and has made worse if you count those dropping out of the workforce because they lost hope of finding work).
You, not surprisingly, have not answered any of my questions or shown a willingness to attribute any fault to Obama. That is beyond partisanship, verging into religious zealotry.
The unemployment rate peaked around Apr ’09 at just under 10%. So that’s a reasonable “when the dust settled” number. You’ll recall the entire economy was in a freefall when Bush mercifully finally left.
One thing is certain, Obama wasn’t handed an ‘average 5.2%’ unemployment rate. Now THAT’s a right-wing talking point and one of the sillier ones at that.
We’ll see what the economy is like after 8 years. My guess is he’ll leave it in a lot better shape than the GOP mess he inherited.
So not only do you attribute Obama stimulus money to Bush, you attribute unemployment numbers under Obama to Bush. I guess your answer to my question is there is no expiration on blaming Bush. It is the all purpose excuse for why Obama has done nothing to improve the economy.
@CL pray tell what programs has Obama initiated that have added $8 trillion to the debt? His one-time stimulus spending that any president would have done?
Almost the only significant spending Obama has done was to move the unfunded spending Bush hid off the books (wars, Part D) onto the books. That was the first thing he did after taking office and that is what accounts for the large jump in the size of the federal budget his first fiscal year.
Both Reagan and Bush nearly doubled spending over their 8 years. Obama hasn’t even come close. In fact, he’s been one of the thriftiest presidents ever.
Unfortunately, just because Reagan and Bush are gone, we can’t just stop paying for the shit they bought us on credit.
He could have ordered a unilateral pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq on day one. He controlled the House and the Senate and could have repealed medicare Part D on day 10. He could have ordered Gitmo closed on day 11. He could have withdrawn our troops from every country on Earth by the end of his first year in office. He could have repealed every tax cut in place since Reagan in the first 100 days – he controlled both houses.
So tell me why the $8.000,000,000,000 added to the public debt since he took office isn’t “his debt”?
Oh wait, that money wasn’t spent based on his budget, the one that has been defeated almost unanimously every time its proposed. It certainly wasn’t spent on the Democrat’s budget, they haven’t bothered to propose one since Johnny Spratt was in office – tell me again why the $8,000,000,000,000 added to the public debt isn’t “his debt”?
If he had done all the things you suggest as quickly as you suggest, he would have been called a dictator, damaging american national security.
Why does he care what he’s called? He said he was going to do all of those things (except withdrawing the troops from everywhere and the Part D thing) when he was running. He could have closed Gitmo and pulled out of Afghanistan to the accolades of thousands of liberals all over the world. I’ve already demonstrated that he had nothing to do with the withdrawal from Iraq. Repealing Part D would have been dumped on the Congress to blame.
“Inherited” a script to (destroy) American capitalism…
What a bunch of wimps. Republicans should stick to what they do best: blowing undercover cops in bathrooms.
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The Wall Street Journal
Poll Finds GOP Blamed More for Shutdown
Republican Party Scores Lowest Marks in More Than 20 Years
By Neil King Jr.
Oct. 10, 2013 6:30 p.m. ET
Americans have come to hold a harshly negative view of the Republican Party during the government shutdown, giving the GOP a far larger share of the blame for a political brawl that many believe is harming the economy, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found.
The poll of 800 Americans found scant confidence that President Barack Obama and Republicans in Congress can find a way out of the morass, with nearly eight in 10 saying the country was on the wrong track — the highest number since the worst of the recession in 2008.
At a time of weak confidence in the economic recovery, the government impasse in Washington has delivered an unusually sharp blow to public faith in the elected leaders and their stewardship over the economy, the poll found.
Participants in the poll gave the Republican Party overall its lowest marks in the history of Journal polling, which goes back to 1989: More than twice as many hold a negative view of the GOP as a positive one. By contrast, the number of Americans viewing the Democratic Party positively or negatively was nearly equal, at about 40%.
In all, 53% of those polled blamed Republicans for the shutdown, compared with 31% who blamed Mr. Obama — numbers that showed the GOP taking a worse beating than the party did 17 years ago during the last extended shutdown, under President Bill Clinton.
Asked about the current budget battle, 70% of participants faulted Republicans in Congress for putting their political agenda ahead of what’s good for the country. In a separate question, 51% said Mr. Obama was more concerned about his agenda than the good of the country. The public was divided over the president’s refusal to negotiate with Republicans unless they reopen the government and raise the federal debt ceiling, with 40% agreeing with his stand and 43% disagreeing.
A large majority of those polled, or 63%, said it was “a real and serious problem” that Congress might not raise the country’s borrowing limit.
Republican voters are at odds over how their party should proceed in its fight with the White House. More than a third of Republicans disapproved of how their party’s members in Congress are doing their job, while nearly 40% said congressional Republicans were putting the party’s agenda above the good of the country.
At the same time, tea-party-oriented participants now look more favorably on the party than other Republicans who don’t ally with tea-party goals.
The poll, conducted between Monday and Wednesday, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4%.
Pollsters for the Journal and NBC said the survey marked some of the most dramatic shifts they had seen in decades in public attitudes toward the well-being of the country, the direction of the economy and wider political sentiment.
The number who thinks the economy will worsen over the next year—42%—has nearly doubled since September, while the number who think the country is on the right track has fallen by half.
Bill McInturff , a Republican pollster who conducted the poll along with Democratic pollsters Fred Yang and Peter Hart , called the data “toxic” and noted key areas in which the GOP had suffered from what he called “an ideological boomerang” contrary to the outcome sought when members of the party launched the budget fight last month.
Republicans initially demanded full funding of the government be contingent on money for the Affordable Care Act health law being eliminated. Half of those polled oppose that stance, up from 44% last month.
The poll also showed a slight uptick in support overall for the health law and a larger jump, to 52%, in support of the government doing more to solve people’s problems.
“On a number of key indicators, the public has moved in the opposite direction from what Republicans hoped they would,” said Mr. McInturff.
“What is stunning about these results is just how hard and how quickly public attitudes have landed on the shutdown,” said Mr. Hart, noting how the poll underscored “a broad disgust for the political system.”
Six in 10 Americans said, if they could, they would defeat and replace every member of Congress. Among the disaffected was Frank Tillerson, a 64-year-old Democrat in Panama City Beach, Fla.., who called the fight over the debt ceiling “a ticking bomb” that both parties have to defuse.
“There’s going to have to be give and take on both sides,” he said. “If they don’t, this is a matter that can’t be settled.”
Others have seen their own views shift. Linda White, a 64-year-old Republican from McDonald, Tenn., said she initially faulted her own party but now blames Mr. Obama and the Democrats as “not willing to compromise.”
— Allison Prang contributed to this article.
Write to Neil King Jr. at neil.king@wsj.com.
The URL for this article is http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303382004579127571975912810?mod=djemITP_h
Not wsj. Wsj/nbc. Wsj frequently throws money at these things. Besides, they’re a little libitard for my tastes anyway.
Bah! I can’t believe you sign off on all that grandstanding bullshit. Time to end it and move the fuck on.
That’s what they’re supposed to be doing, Boz. All this grandstanding is exactly the way the constitution is written. The CR and Grand Bargains are a load of crop. It was never intended that congress should be passing laws by working together. The founders understood that keeping them at odds with each other would prevent them from overreaching.
They’re supposed to fight like cats and dogs over every single point. Every T and every I. Respectfully Boz, It’s the kind of mentality you are espousing here that is a huge, huge, huge portion of the reason we as a country are in the mess we’re in today. That ‘Quit whining….I’m over here trying to make mo money’ attitude. Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.
That ‘cooperation’ is also why you see a lot of knee jerk legislation to repeal or water down to the point of uselessness the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 11th amendments while trying to bolster the 16th and 26th amendments to become the only thing that matters. The power to tax and the power to manipulate debate into a hormone fueled rage as opposed to actually having a conversation.
Personally I think the next amendment, one of the next amendments, to the constitution should be that all new laws must be debated for a period of no less than 2 generations of congress, 50 years being a generation. But, they have the power to repeal any legislation that would directly reduce taxation with a simple majority, as long as that repeal would not violate the core function of the government. The protection of this country’s borders :)
If it’s a good law, taking the time to consider all of the ramifications of the law is well worth the effort to ensure that the rights of the citizens of These United States of America are respected for all generations.
Can you please only post in the afternoon after you are already shitfaced and aren’t capable of such long posts?
These mini novella length posts early in the morning take up valuable time scrolling past them.
Thanks for your understanding
Is this better.
Eat turds.
Some of us have late afternoon before you even wake-up, the rest of us don’t really care if you don’t like our long posts. Hey, wait, I’m in both categories…
CINO- Conservative In Name Only
I’m sure FITS News would print anything from anybody as long as there is enough cash involved.
Why is it, just curious, on all the websites I go to the libiturds up votes are all ‘Guest’ votes?
No, the six week extension is merely pushing the debt ceiling hostage negotiations further down the road so that it doesn’t interfere with the shutdown hostage negotiations going on now. Republicans have every intention of making yet another “crisis” out of the debt ceiling just as they’ve done in the past. This is blatantly obvious, dude.
Republicans desperately want to get something out of the shutdown because if they don’t, it’ll mean they did it for nothing. That won’t bode will in 2014. They will also need a victory over a debt ceiling skirmish to really recover from the shellacking they are getting in the polls right now.
Come on Snarks. The DNC issued that memo 3 days ago. It’s not hostage or terrorist or jihadi anymore. It’s “threat”, “threatening” now.
Three weeks ago, I had the chance to ask Representative Mulvaney this question: “When will we get a budget?”
His answer astounded me..”…probably never again…you’ll have a House budget and a Senate budget but you’ll probably not see a unified budget…” after further questioning he said, “…the Budget isn’t the important thing, it’s the appropriations process that gets us into trouble…”.
While I appreciate his honesty and his grasp of what’s really important, I can’t help but wonder why the entire House and Senate have this idea that their Constitutional requirement to pass a budget isn’t critical enough to “get around to”. I wonder what would happen if we “threw the bums out” and replaced them with 535 people who understand that you can’t spend more than you take in and that you need to have a little set aside for a rainy day and that that crusty old document over at the “Library of Congress” (of all places) still has meaning.
Let’s see who’s lost more:
“…That’s the message 60 percent of Americans are…saying if they had the chance to vote to defeat and replace every single member of Congress, including
their own representative. – http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903531-nbcwsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-of-congress?lite
Presidential dis-approval rate at 54% – http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating.cfm
Fully 50% of Americans disapprove of the way the President is handling his job – http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
Only 5% of Democrats approve of the way their Representative is handling his job (Republicans are holding at 15%) – http://www.gallup.com/poll/165281/congress-job-approval-falls-amid-gov-shutdown.aspx
The citizens of These United States of America lost more when they agreed to reopen the 17% of the unnecessary gubmint.
Great job cherry-picking polls, but the truth is that Republicans are sinking:
With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a
tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic
president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by
28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest
favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx
Also:
Only 5% of Democrats approve of the way their Representative is handling his job (Republicans are holding at 15%)
You did not read the poll correctly, bro. That is the approval rating for all of Congress, not “their Representative.” From your own link:
The drop in Congress’ approval rating is fueled in large part by
Democrats’ declining approval of Congress — from 20% in September to 5%
in October. Approval ratings among Republicans and independents have
also fallen, but by much smaller margins. The big drop in Democrats’
approval of Congress most certainly reflects Democrats’ negative views
of the Republican-controlled House, in which leadership has publicly
demanded that the president and Democrats in Congress agree to changes
in the Affordable Care Act as a condition for passing a continuing
resolution or a budget. Overall, however, approval of Congress is very
low across all partisan groups.
Lib Spin.
And #ObamaFailsAgain
The GOP can not defund Obamacare. That was a loss from the outset. Obamacare is mandatory spending, not discretionary spending, so it was not stopped by the shutdown. It’s interesting to me that those who claim the support our Constitution are trying to circumvent it to stop a law that they do not agree with. They failed 44 times trying to stop it. It is a law. Ratified by the 3 branches of government and upheld by the SCOTUS. Maybe the Tea Party Congress should take their balls and go home. They aren’t helping the country.
Power of the purse. SCOTUS ruled a long long time ago that Congress has the power to tax separately from the power to provide entitlements programs. How do you think SS passed muster?
So in your right wing fantasy world the President gets to decide how the government’s money gets spent? I know full well you’re not that stupid, so you must have another reason for misleading your readers.
Raising the debt ceiling simply allows the government to meet the obligations created by past legislation, and has nothing to do with future legislation, which would have to pass both houses of congress and be signed into law. Not a dificult concept to grasp, except for those who refuse to listen.
Raising the debt ceiling simply gives congress some breathing room in implementing more spending that they otherwise would not have been able to do because now they can put more crop off to the back burner. #ObamaFailsAgain
Day 11 of the shutdown, the Teatards have cost us $3.3B. Its not about spending. Its about the black man in the White House.
#ObamaFailsAgain Looking forward to day 12. and 13. and anon. If they ain’t open, they cain’t muck it up.
You guys are after Jim DeMint now? Wow. I’m all for crazy – there are things I believe that in the back of my mind I know are wacko – but we’re talking about the country we all love here. I’d say be content you have such a powerful voice in politics – the tea party has moved our country way over to the right – but God help us if you actually get your way. We’d all be totally completely fucked.
#ObamaFailsAgain
I am used to the taste of my own vomit now.
The U.S. dollar is toast.
Well, maybe we’ll get lucky and that will end the fed. #ObamaFailsAgain
Ren and Stimpy turned off the live feed for the vote. Starting to get confirmation that the senate rejected the DEMLICAN PLAN. WTF?!? #ObamaFailsAgain