A gay couple in Colorado has filed a discrimination case against a bakery which refused to provide them with a wedding cake.
David Mullins and Charlie Craig, who were married in Massachusetts in 2012, wanted to get a cake from Masterpiece Cakeshop to celebrate their wedding with friends in Colorado. However the owner of the store, Jack Phillips, refused. His argument? That forcing him to bake a cake for a gay couple ran counter to his religious beliefs regarding homosexuality.
Mullins and Craig claimed that Phillips’ refusal left them “mortified and dehumanized.”
Really? This is ridiculous. As we’ve said on numerous previous occasions, government (state or federal) should not be in the business of telling individual churches who they can or cannot marry. Similarly, government should not be in the business of telling private businesses who they can or cannot serve.
That’s the job of the marketplace …
Personally we think it is nonsensical to turn down business on the basis of color, gender, creed, sexual orientation or any other factor – but Phillips is absolutely within his right not to bake a cake for Mullins and Craig. It’s the job of the marketplace to hold him accountable for decisions like that, not the job of government.
Homosexuals have an absolute, unambiguous right to equal protection under the law – i.e. the establishment of civil unions pursuant with those core functions government ought to perform – but this right does not extend to the private sector, nor should it ever trump the right of an individual business owner to refuse service if he or she chooses.
Such action is unwise – and wrong, in our opinion – but that doesn’t mean it should be outlawed.
What do you think? Vote in our poll and post your thoughts in our comments section below.
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It typically doesn’t take much to make a gay man “mortified”. Don’t hold the door for him, don’t smile back at him when he smiles at you, wear the wrong shoes for that shirt… all items that will make him mortified and ruin his day.
We haven’t heard from 9″ today – he must be on his way back from the wedding.
Now that is funny!
gay/straight;weddings suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_VVykmN1g
just don’t look me in the eyes,punk
youre a deuchebag-please dont breed
Force owners to allow blacks to sit in the restaurant? Yes!
Force bakers to bake cakes for gays? No!
Clear as mud.
It typically doesn’t take much to make a gay man “mortified”. Don’t hold the door for him, don’t smile back at him when he smiles at you, wear the wrong shoes for that shirt… all items that will make him mortified and ruin his day.
We haven’t heard from 9″ today – he must be on his way back from the wedding.
Now that is funny!
gay/straight;weddings suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_VVykmN1g
just don’t look me in the eyes,punk
Force owners to allow blacks to sit in the restaurant? Yes!
Force bakers to bake cakes for gays? No!
Clear as mud.
Who doesn’t love a good old fashioned hissy fit?
Jay: Why didn’t they bake their own damn cake? Aren’t these guys supposed to be excellent cuisine masters?
It’s extremely difficult to get anything done when you’re engaged in a full blown hissy fit, emphasis on blown.
Someone had to do flowers and then style the groom & groom’s hair.
What, you think homo’s have 8 arms?
Who doesn’t love a good old fashioned hissy fit?
Jay: Why didn’t they bake their own damn cake? Aren’t these guys supposed to be excellent cuisine masters?
It’s extremely difficult to get anything done when you’re engaged in a full blown hissy fit, emphasis on blown.
Someone had to do flowers and then style the groom & groom’s hair.
What, you think homo’s have 8 arms?
Well Fits–just so we’re on an even playing field, this is the equivalent of refusing to bake cakes other groups, such as members of some religions, ethnicities, political beliefs, et cetera; all because one is always able to invoke private “religious” beliefs to refuse service.
I don’t mind if the government does not enforce similar anti-discrimination laws against all these groups–like you said, it’s the marketplace that matters. But I just wanted to ask whether or not refusing to provide service to members of society who belong to different groups should always be legal, or legal only in some cases.
Ideally, the “marketplace” (which reflects our culture and predispositions) would address these issues; but injustices that are perpetrated within society are only amplified within the free markets of those societies.
Excellent question. What if this was a Christian bakery refusing to provide a wedding cake to a Muslim couple?
the bigots will say thats different-they only hate gays
Well Fits–just so we’re on an even playing field, this is the equivalent of refusing to bake cakes other groups, such as members of some religions, ethnicities, political beliefs, et cetera; all because one is always able to invoke private “religious” beliefs to refuse service.
I don’t mind if the government does not enforce similar anti-discrimination laws against all these groups–like you said, it’s the marketplace that matters. But I just wanted to ask whether or not refusing to provide service to members of society who belong to different groups should always be legal, or legal only in some cases.
Ideally, the “marketplace” (which reflects our culture and predispositions) would address these issues; but injustices that are perpetrated within society are only amplified within the free markets of those societies.
Excellent question. What if this was a Muslim bakery refusing to provide a wedding cake to a Christian couple? Or a gay-owned bakery refusing to provide a cake to a straight couple?
Can I get some cake?
These particular bakers don’t make penis cakes.
gays have nicer cakes than you’ll ever see in your trailer, bub
How do you know?
Penis cakes are my favorite. Especially warm from the oven.
Can I get some cake?
These particular bakers don’t make penis cakes.
Penis cakes are my favorite. Especially warm from the oven.
I cannot understand the counterargument to this. We’ve gone from gay marriage being a fringe issue to the End All of rights for gays to now That Which Shant Be Questioned. Where are our civil libertarian friends on the left who think people should be able to make up their own minds? If the baker is of any orthodox Abrahamic faith, he’s religiously opposed to homosexual behavior. But these types of suits bully people into ignoring their consciences for fear of legal reprisal. This is thuggery, and it must be opposed.
Very nice argument, well done.
Thanks!
Cicero-sorry dummy-baking is not religious
I cannot understand the counterargument to this. We’ve gone from gay marriage being a fringe issue to the End All of rights for gays to now That Which Shant Be Questioned. Where are our civil libertarian friends on the left who think people should be able to make up their own minds? If the baker is of any orthodox Abrahamic faith, he’s religiously opposed to homosexual behavior. But these types of suits bully people into ignoring their consciences for fear of legal reprisal. This is thuggery, and it must be opposed.
Very nice argument, well done.
Thanks!
Hell, I’ll make the fudge packers a cake
Maybe a nice two pecker four balls arrangement
Perhaps a hairy bubble butt sticking up in the air
Or an anus cake. That’s what I would make, a fucking anus cake
Now if I can get Eunuch Timmy Pearson to pull himself out of the Gypsy Queen long enough to stop by and model, I should be able to ship the cake out by Tuesday PM at the latest
Well the anus cake be comprised of chocolate? Maybe with a fudge filling in the anal area?
That sounds delicious.
very funny, closet case
I hate to, but have to ask, will it have a cream pie filling?
Jim: — or perhaps this. Warning – NSFW !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338282/Meet-Mr-Testicle–probably-bizarre-mascot-seeking-raise-awareness-testicular-cancer-Brazil.html
lmao!
That’s all sorts of funny and my new favorite “mascot”.
you’ve spent a long time thinking about this?
Hell
Well the anus cake be comprised of chocolate? Maybe with a fudge filling in the anal area?
That sounds delicious.
I hate to, but have to ask, will it have a cream pie filling?
Jim: — or perhaps this. Warning – NSFW !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338282/Meet-Mr-Testicle–probably-bizarre-mascot-seeking-raise-awareness-testicular-cancer-Brazil.html
lmao!
That’s all sorts of funny and my new favorite “mascot”.
you’ve spent a long time thinking about this?
I’ll bake a damn cake when I wish, for whom I wish and at my leisure. Just because I hang a sign out saying that I’m a baker does not make me a patsy for a pansy or anyone else. Fuck em and feed em fish eyes! Next.
then youll be sued and lose money-your choice
No he want a$$hole; he’ll just close his shop when he sees them coming, sabotage his quality for his undesired clients, or heck, even move his business to a better locale… think black bike week and the number of MB businesses which take vacations during that week. Look loser, we live in a free country, we don’t have slavery. As such, business owners don’t have to serve you (or me) – or your (or my) kind – if they truly don’t want to. Even if that means at a loss of some their business, or even, if that means that they have to relocate to a better area.
Ah, I see BigT has a new identity…
This isn’t T, nothing about Will worshiping whichever political side the story is about, and no erroneous use of “big” words containing more than five letters.
And for the record, I think that it’s completely ridiculous to not serve a customer based on religious beliefs (a.k.a. prejudice), but having said that, I do believe it is their right. It’s not refusing them the right to vote, or to a drink of water, nor is it refusing them access to anything necessary to survive.
I’ll bake a damn cake when I wish, for whom I wish and at my leisure. Just because I hang a sign out saying that I’m a baker does not make me a patsy for a pansy or anyone else. Fuck em and feed em fish eyes! Next.
Just noticed that the girl in the black dress on the left is wearing Nikki’s hooker boots.
And she surely looks the part.
Just noticed that the girl in the black dress on the left is wearing Nikki’s hooker boots.
And she surely looks the part.
try the same thing with ‘interracial couples’ ,and see where the fuck you get,bitch
thanks!
Good point 9″.
try the same thing with ‘interracial couples’ ,and see where the fuck you get,bitch
Good point 9″.
of course they must serve all!!! if you have a public business that serves the PUBLIC, you cannot discriminate agianst blacks, women, religious people or-in 21 states-gays-that is the law! do we really want grocers refusing to serve blacks even if the next food is 100 miles away? no-if you want a private business that only serves religious functions, then you can refuse jews, blacks, gays, etc-, but if its pubklic, they must serve all!~
i was trying to think what you could put in the cake that would really gross them out. I couldn’t think of a single thing.
A used tampon?
Ding Ding Ding!!
We have a winner!
Cock and balls donuts.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hummanna/4583967/
Spoiler: They’re cream-filled.
Cock and balls donuts.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hummanna/4583967/
Spoiler: They’re cream-filled.
Good for this guy who stood up for what he believes……..never be afraid to do so!!!!!
Good for this guy who stood up for what he believes……..never be afraid to do so!!!!!
Haven’t you, in the past, slammed certain elected officials for belonging to all white country clubs. WTF?
Haven’t you, in the past, slammed certain elected officials for belonging to all white country clubs. WTF?
I believe it should be legal for any business to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Sure there are times when this freedom will be abused by some….but what few seem to understand, is that if I open up a bar and refuse service to anyone who isn’t a Native American redneck member of God’s Chosen People….societally, it’s really not a big deal. (And I probably won’t be able to singlehandedly drink enough to keep my business afloat…but, dammit, I’ll try!)
Now when the government sanctions and enforces discrimination (Jim Crow laws, Affirmative Action)….THAT is a big *effing* deal.
I believe it should be legal for any business to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Sure there are times when this freedom will be abused by some….but what few seem to understand, is that if I open up a bar and refuse service to anyone who isn’t a Native American redneck member of God’s Chosen People….societally, it’s really not a big deal. (And I probably won’t be able to singlehandedly drink enough to keep my business afloat…but, dammit, I’ll try!)
Now when the government sanctions and enforces discrimination (Jim Crow laws, Affirmative Action)….THAT is a big *effing* deal.
a cake shop without a gay employee,sounds like a front for organized crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYvH7Gjbxh4
a cake shop without a gay employee,sounds like a front for organized crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYvH7Gjbxh4