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Civil Disobedience On Anti-Gun Laws

THERE IS ONLY ONE “GUN CONTROL” LAW YOU NEED TO FOLLOW The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides American citizens with an unqualified, unambiguous right to keep and bear arms – one that the federal government (or any government, for that matter) is explicitly enjoined from infringing upon….

THERE IS ONLY ONE “GUN CONTROL” LAW YOU NEED TO FOLLOW

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides American citizens with an unqualified, unambiguous right to keep and bear arms – one that the federal government (or any government, for that matter) is explicitly enjoined from infringing upon.

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” it says.

If you don’t believe us, pay a visit to the National Archives in Washington, D.C. – where the U.S. Bill of Rights is on public display. In fact we should all pay a visit to our nation’s capital sooner rather than later – preferably as part of a “Million Gun March.”

Anyway, the beauty of the Second Amendment is the simple solution it provides those struggling with the “War on Guns” currently being waged by the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama. What “simple solution” are we referring to? Civil disobedience.

That’s right: To rid ourselves of the onus of Obama’s assault on the Second Amendment, every American should refuse to follow any legislation or “executive action” that violates this most sacred of all constitutionally guaranteed liberties. 

Beyond that? If the Obama administration wants our guns, it can “take them.” Or try to. Because last time we checked, it lacks both the manpower (and the cajones) to pull off such a feat.

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101 comments

? January 16, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Who says nullification is the purview of only the States?(which lack backbone anyway)

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hack January 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Exactly. Nullification allows the citizenry to put a middle finger in the air to those who attempt to enact laws that usurp our God given natural right to self defense. The impossibility of enforcement also favors using this method of protest.

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Charlemagne, King of France January 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm

pretty much given up on finding a new weapon, was really hoping to find a .22 for plinking but the horders have bought up not only all the rifles but all the rounds as well.

Guess im just gonna focus on my BoB

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm

No .22? Oh god damn it.

Screw this. I’m just going to buy a slingshot and pray no one starts hoarding gravel.

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Jan January 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm

Relax, the gun manufactures will turn out weapons for all those who desire them.

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 3:39 pm

None of the proposed legislation or executive actions even remotely said the government was going to confiscate our guns, but MOLON LABE man! MOLON LABE!

lol… I have a magazine for my semi-auto that holds 12 bullets. Uncle Sam isn’t coming for me. All of this “I’m King Leonidas!” fantasizing is really hilarious, though.

That reminds me, I have to tune in to Alex Jones. He must be unleashing his powers again:

youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs

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Raspy January 16, 2013 at 4:42 pm

Hi Smirks! I often agree with you but not on this one. They are going to push and push hard for anything they can get. They are going to push for another Clinton magazine and weapon ban, but much worse than the previous one. When those measures, quite predictably, do not work, they will want more, as they always do. This is not something to take lightly and I hope the Molon Labe mindset will prevail. We will need it one day.

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Smirks January 17, 2013 at 9:00 am

It is extremely unlikely that even the Clinton-era bans will pass through a Republican-held House or get enough of a majority to get around a filibuster in the Senate. Trying an even stronger ban won’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell. I’ll save my bravado for when there’s an actual threat of government taking my weapons.

All of this is pure fantasizing and tough guy crap. I honestly liken it to young kids listening to gangsta rap pretending that they too are hardened thugs. Gun owners should hope to never have to use their guns in self defense, not openly welcome it and compare themselves to “THIS IS SPARTA!” for beckoning a violent and fatal confrontation with armed law enforcement that is in no way, shape, or form being considered whatsoever.

If and when government tries to strip me of my rights, I will do what is necessary to defend myself and others, but “Molon Labe” or “It’ll be 1776 all over again” only paints those who believe in gun rights as whacko clowns and does nothing but further gun control arguments. “Molon Labe” might as well be “Moron Lube” because all saying shit like that hurts more than it helps.

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sid January 17, 2013 at 10:32 am

Wouldn’t “Moron Lube” help, rather than hurt? Less friction, less pain, right?

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Thunderbird January 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_u9TbzRwA

The war for America has started.

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Robert January 16, 2013 at 3:44 pm

FITS, you kinda left out part of the amendment…..the little part that causes all the argument.

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kc January 16, 2013 at 4:47 pm

He just left out that inconvenient little qualifier.

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Meow January 16, 2013 at 3:45 pm

You misquouted the Second Amendment. There’s a pretty important qualifier before it gets around to your favorite part.

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm

Ken,

Perhaps we should review why the founders were writing the Constitution in the first place?!?

From the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
(skipping to the middle)
The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. (below is the enumeration of his tyrannical acts)
– He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
– He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
– He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
– He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
– He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
– He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
– He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
– He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
– He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
– He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

– He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
– For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
– For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
– For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
– For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
– For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
– For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
– For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
– For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
– For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
– He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
– He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
– He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
– He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
– He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Now would you like to ask the tyrannical government question again? You must understand who was writing and the circumstances they were writing in to understand the intent of their writing.

Why would we (Americans) expect “rights” to be addressed and grievances to be redressed? Perhaps it dates back to the 1689 English Bill of Rights:
– the right of petition,
– an independent judiciary (the Sovereign was forbidden to establish his own courts or to act as a judge himself),
– freedom from taxation by royal (executive) prerogative, without agreement by Parliament (legislators),
– freedom from a peace-time standing army,
– freedom [for Protestants] to bear arms for their defense, as allowed by law,
-freedom to elect members of Parliament without interference from the Sovereign,
– freedom of speech in Parliament,
– freedom from cruel and unusual punishments and excessive bail, and
– freedom from fines and forfeitures without trial.

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SparkleCity January 17, 2013 at 8:07 am

I’ll rep;y at the end

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

The Second Amendment is two statements outlining six purposes (according to the men who wrote it):

– To enable the people to organize a militia
– To aid repelling invasion;
– To aid in the suppression of insurrection
– To facilitate the natural right of self-defense
– To enable the people to participate in the enforcement of law;
– To deter tyrannical government;

At the time the Constitution was written the US could not afford a large standing Army – a well-regulated militia consisted of all able bodied men from 17-45. The first statement is a personal “responsibility” They were expected to participate in drill and be ready to defend their homes and country when called. The right to keep and bear arms was not necessary in order to have a militia – in fact if you’ve been to Colonial Williamsburg, you have seen “The Magazine” where weapons were held to be used in times of need. USC’s library sits on an old drill field.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed second part of the statement – and is a “personal right”. The need to defend oneself, deal with insurrection and aid in law enforcement was critical because there was no “PoPo wid a radio” to come to your aid. Many have tried to make the case that we don’t have a need to “defend ourselves” with the prevalence of police today – I’d suggest they look at one of the most policed cities in the country, Chicago, to see how that’s working out. The ability to deal with tyranny in the form of a local government or the national government was just as important. England controlled the access to arms through a variety of means and tyrannical local governments abounded (see Ireland, Scotland…)

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? January 16, 2013 at 4:25 pm

I really enjoyed your write up Colonel. Good job.

A la “shifty”, who posts funny comments, it reminds me of the following:

Q: “Who is the first person on a crime scene?”

A: “You”

The reality is that 95% of the time when the the PoPo finally show up they are they to make reports, direct traffic, take evidence, etc.

The time required to commit most crimes is WAY under the average response time for police.

Yet another reason to CCW.

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shifty henry January 16, 2013 at 4:31 pm

….. good analysis and a good joke (new one for me)

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shifty henry January 16, 2013 at 4:46 pm

One of the statements made at the end of the “911 Commission Report” was that the first responders to/at an incident are the victims/folks on the scene, and that they must deal with it until assistance arrives. I don’t remember the exact statement but this is the gist of it.

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Mike at the beach January 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm

Nicely done – one of the better briefs I’ve seen on the oft mangled (by both sides, by the way) 2nd Amendment discussion…

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Ken E. January 16, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Where’s the bit about the tyrannical government in the 2nd Amendment? Because that’s what the constitution says, you know. If you don’t like the actions of the government, then armed insurrection is the way to go. Forget about elections and a representative government.

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 7:01 pm

Ken – My reply is above – but here’s the gist of it. We were fighting to rid ourselves of a tyrannical government, that’s what the Declaration of Independence is all about. We (early Americans) had already been granted the rights we now hold dear in the Bill of Rights only to have them usurped by the King.

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? January 16, 2013 at 7:05 pm

I’ll add a little more for The Colonel to aid in response to Ken:

“And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”- Jefferson

That’s the “tyranny” portion referred to by Colonel in his original statement in which he listed the intentions of the founders on the 2nd.

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Ken E. January 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm

But where is that in the Constitution? You think they could have expounded a little more in the 2nd Amendment.

And the $hit about the king is BS, too. The Constitution was written to ensure that the government was not tyrannical. The power was given to the people through representation. So to compare the relationship that we as a colony had to Great Britain to the relationship we have as citizens with our own government is to compare two different things. You don’t like the actions of the government? Then elect a different government next time around. You don’t bring out the guns if you don’t like how the last election went.

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? January 16, 2013 at 9:54 pm

“The Constitution was written to ensure that the government was not tyrannical.”

Yea, I’m not sure a significant portion of the population feel that it’s worked….I think we can all agree that parts of the Constitution are regularly ignored.

“You don’t like the actions of the government? Then elect a different government next time around.”

Yea, but that’s not what Jefferson said above…in fact he suggested it might be necessary over and over.

“You think they could have expounded a little more in the 2nd Amendment.”

I think you and I might agree here Ken. My opinion is the Constitution was one giant compromise between very different philosophies. When you look at re-writes, state constitutions(written by some of the founders), etc. you can see this played out in specific parts of the language with arguments over verbiage, etc.

The big gulf was between Jefferson and Madison who had distinctly different approaches to gov’t theory and tried to meld them.

I personally think the 2nd was written purposely vague and try to placate both people…I can in no way ever imagine Madison suggesting perpertual revolution….like Jefferson.

In that regard, I think the 2nd was written specifically FOR(in favor of) the gov’t, whether tyrannical or not. I think Jefferson & Madison had different opinions of what the 2nd meant.

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Once again Ken, you must take context into account when you read a primary document. The concept of individual rights was so much the norm that most representatives at the convention didn’t consider the bill of rights necessary. There was no real gun law in the US until the late 20s early thirties and that came about as a result of the criminal excesses primarily related to Prohibition.

One of the enumerated rights from English law of the 1600s was the (plain old) right to keep and bear arms.

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? January 16, 2013 at 11:01 pm

I felt like I needed to add one more thing:

“Then elect a different government next time around. You don’t bring out the guns if you don’t like how the last election went.”

Aside from the fact we all come here regularly to see what new atrocity the act of voting has ultimately thrust upon us…suggesting that voting isn’t working, we have to make note that people aren’t upset over the last election and talking about gov’t overthrow or whatever-they are upset because what they consider a fundamental right is being taken away from them(self defense), even if it’s just incremental(like automatic fire weapons with large magazines)-whether you agree or not.

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SparkleCity January 16, 2013 at 11:39 pm

Fine,Fine,Fine

BUT:

1. Warsaw Uprising – 1943
2. Hungarian Revolt – 1956

Tragic events both

Warsaw Uprising: Small arms against Nazi tanks and other armored vehicles is not a good idea no matter how evil your oppressors are and how dedicated and desperate the opposition is.

Hungarian Uprising: See above but even more details. The Hungarians had the support of the general population and even formed those MILITIAS some of you have such a hard-on for.

Guess what? The Soviets decided enough was enough and totally kicked the Hungarians asses while the United States and other western nations stood by and did not intervene. I have seen the newsreels and heard the tapes of the resistance fighters pleading for help who even gave coordinates for drop zones. Sadly, to no avail.

The Soviets totally laid waste to the population and purged all history of the uprising. It took 30 years for the Uprising to be recognized (basically after the Soviet Union fell)

Lesson learned:

Small arms against a well trained military force with state of the art weapons is a futile effort if the force is determined to quell the uprising even if you did form one of your precious militias.

You can talk all the smack you want about defending your rights and fondle your precious Glock all night long but if push comes to shove and some of you hot heads keep believing some of this semi-sedition bullshit, you are liable to realize what a big mistake you are making.

As I am writing this Al-Queida (sp) has taken American and other westerns hostage. I pray for their safe release/rescue. Don’t you know our adversaries are watching this bullshit over guns closely? You can have all the guns you can carry on you but one dirty bomb,EMP or biological attack negates every fucking gun you’ve got.

I just got back from a great night of wings & beer and seeing “Zero Dark-Thirty” with some of my retired military buds. There is a fair chance we hauled some of those Seals around when we were over there. It is a damn good movie and everyone should go see it to remind you who the REAL enemy is. We were all in agreement that some of this shit has gone too far. One of my buds told me that some dipshit hoarders had camped out all night long at Academy Sports on Woodruff Road just so they could buy up every fucking bullet when the doors opened at 0800 hrs. He reminded me that I had told him this was BS but when he saw it for himself when he went to Academy the following afternoon and the shelves were stripped bare, he admitted I was right about the stupidity of hoarding.

I can understand some of y’all concerns but seriously, some of this shit is getting out of hand.

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The Colonel January 17, 2013 at 7:46 am

Actually Sparkle, an EMP could be the great equalizer. My electronics won’t work but my M1911A1, M1903A6 and the rest will function just fine. There is substantial evidence that EMPs are not as controllable as originally billed and that they will likely affect larger areas than originally thought.

Most scenarios involving EMPs are a China or Russia against the US – the Chinese think they can destroy the entire American electronic infrastructure, protected or not. In that scenario, you’d need your weapons just to eat and protect yourself from city rats looking for food, water, shelter or a place to plug their non-functioning IPod in.

Chemicals just suck all the way around but they are generally survivable if prepared except for the most persistent varieties. Should you survive, the same truism that you need weapons to protect yourself applies.

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? January 20, 2013 at 10:32 am

EMP would truly be a radical paradigm shift on a combat battlefield.

The technology involved really isn’t that difficult if someone someplace threw some money at it. (I mean outside of a nuke induced emp)

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm

Tin Soldiers and Baa-rock’s comin’….We’re finally on our own….

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Robbery, Steals, Cash & Dung January 16, 2013 at 5:51 pm

Idiot.

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Joe Wilson Is A Very Smart Man January 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Fits is a lot better when reporting on who is screwing who and throwing the term “Rino” around than when he is “defending the Constitution.”

To paraphrase an old law school axiom,you got a good case argue the facts.You got a bad case,argue the Constitution.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm

So you say defending the 2nd Amendment is a bad case????

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Original Good Old Boy January 16, 2013 at 4:34 pm

That old “axiom” doesn’t apply when the whole point of the argument is the proper scope of the Constitution.

I think your professor was talking about cases where people allege equal protection and substantive due process in civil cases.

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PalmettoPulse January 16, 2013 at 4:39 pm

On December 15, 1791 there was no such thing as a Bushmaster 223. No one, outside of a well-armed militia or law enforcement, need such a gun. Let’s compare Washington’s musket to the guns the government is trying to control…they aren’t even close.

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sid January 16, 2013 at 8:09 pm

Yeah! And any means of communicating your ideas that didn’t exist back then isn’t protected under the First. For that matter, Mormons didn’t exist, so let’s abolish them. Let’s just eliminate everything that didn’t exist back then, just to be safe.

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Rock Hill January 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm

Nice extrapolation Sid, but you seem to miss the point: the amendment was not born in times where automatic weapons were even conceived of.

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The Mormon Tabernacle Choir January 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm

Mormons? What an idiot conclusion.

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sid January 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm

The concept of semi-autos certainly existed. What about the concept of radio, TV, the Intertubes? Get the point?

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The Colonel January 17, 2013 at 8:43 am

The “Bushmaster” of 1775 was the “Brown Bess” or British Land Pattern Musket. All members of the American Militia (all males age 17-46) were required to own a firearm and ammunition and most wanted a Brown Bess.

Compared to the conventional “hunting rifle” of the day the Brown Bess was an assault rifle. It had a slightly oversized smooth bore to make it fast to load and to reduce the effects of fouling during prolonged firing. It came equipped with a bayonet. It had a sustained rate of fire of 3-4 rounds a minute compared to a rifled “hunting” rifle’s rate of 1-2 rounds per minute. The soldier carried a cartridge pouch that held 20-40 pre constructed rounds consisting of a charge, wadding and a bullet – kind of like a magazine. Hunters had a “possibles” bag with wad, shot or bullets and a powder horn. He seldom carried more ammunition than necessary to bring home dinner.

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sid January 17, 2013 at 10:41 am

Here’s an actual repeating arm, RH, that existed at the time of the BoR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

So, can you show me something from the time that would represent the concept of radio, TV, and/or the Intertubes? Get the point?

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The Mormon Tabernacle Choir January 17, 2013 at 9:49 pm

Sid Dude, your argument is juvenile. We get it but you extrapolated the issue so far, your prose became more humorous than relevant. That’s all we’re saying — just stop being so stubborn.

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sid January 18, 2013 at 7:55 am

Please explain your position. First of all, I was responding to a rather juvenile post, so I figured I’d use an argument the poster would understand. Seems he/she did, as there was no response. You, on the other hand, either can’t admit you understand the point, or are really so dense that you don’t get it.

So, here’s the point. The original comment implied (although wrong) that the Founders could not comprehend the technology that exists today that makes the 2A what it is. I responded by offering that they could not comprehend the technology that exists today that makes the free speech aspect of the 1A what it is. I threw in a joke about Mormons, but you seem equally devoid of humor as you are of intellect and honesty.

So, you may not like my point, but unless you are either stupid or completely dishonest, it is a valid point. If you feel it is not, try to explain why, without using words you clearly don’t understand.

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The Mormon Tabernacle Choir January 18, 2013 at 8:27 am

We get it Sid. It just wasn’t very funny.

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sid January 18, 2013 at 10:51 am

You got a frog in your pocket, or are you using the royal “We”? Near as I can tell, it’s just you and me, kid.

Of course, forgive me if I discount the criticism on humor from someone so humorless. I guess I just wasn’t up to offering such a knee-slapper as, “What an idiot conclusion.” (Just a suggestion, but perhaps “idiotic” may have been more appropriate.) So, if you understood it was a joke, why did you try to imply I was trying to make an actual argument?

Nonetheless, I’m glad that you finally understand the point I made. It always warms my heart when I can reach down into the deepest depths of moronitude and pull someone like you, albeit with much protestation, into the shining light of my intellect. You are welcome.

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Carl Spackler January 18, 2013 at 11:02 am

We get it Sid! All of us. Really.

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Georgia Bulldozer January 18, 2013 at 11:06 am

Shouldn’t you be busy bragging about your IQ, how many houses you own, or stalking Sarah?

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sid January 18, 2013 at 11:58 am

I appreciate that you understand my point, CS. It took a while to get TMTC on board, as you saw, so that was my concern. Now that the two of you are up to speed, I’ll be able to fully enjoy my weekend.

I thought I was bragging about my IQ, GB. That was the whole point of the “shining light of my intellect” comment. Did you somehow miss that? Not surprising, as I believe you’ve been pretty dim in the past. Good to see you crawl out of your hidey hole to post something to me, though. While nobody has really missed you, you’ve been strangely absent.

As for houses, still just the three for me, so I didn’t think that needed to be updated. I do appreciate your interest, though, and will let you know if that count changes.

Regarding Sarah, that pig was into me, not the other way around. Again, comprehension is not strong with you.

Speaking of stalking, though, it’s odd that the only time you seem to post is when you seek me out. It’s also a bit concerning that you seem to be keeping careful note of the things I post. If you’re a dude, please know that I am in no way interested. I don’t object to your lifestyle, but I just don’t want you wasting your time pursuing the unatainable.

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Carl Spackler January 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm

Thanks for the updates Sid. I wish you luck with those houses.

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sid January 18, 2013 at 1:51 pm

No prob, dude, and thanks for wishing me luck. Barry’s economy sure doesn’t help, but I’m doing pretty well in spite of it. I guess I’ll just have to make my own luck, right? I’ll let you know if I get another one, or dump one of the three.

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kc January 16, 2013 at 4:45 pm

“The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides American citizens with an unqualified, unambiguous right to keep and bear arms”

Actually, the Second Amendment is qualified and ambiguous, but hey, nobody’s perfect.

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 5:18 pm

No but the militia was expected to arm itself with a military grade weapon, axe, bayonet, powder and shot. The bushmaster of the day. Military weapons were in the .60-.70 caliber range (the “Brown Bess was a .71 caliber). They were always smoothbore to facilitate quick loading and were also generally larger in bore than the ball used with them, again to facilitate quick loading.

Rifled “squirrel guns ” that were highly accurate but slow to load existed – the second amendment didn’t preclude one over the other but the right extends to military grade weapons by intent.

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kc January 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Fits, your post title speaks of “civil disobedience,” but the body of the post doesn’t talk about civil disobedience at all.

Could you specify the gun laws you think people should flout, I mean, disobey in the name of “civil disobedience?”

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Andrew January 16, 2013 at 5:22 pm

Why is it illegal to own a surface to air missile? Those would be very useful against tyranny.

I wouldn’t last long with a puny assault rifle, not firing up at the sky at a drone with a hell fire.

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Technically it isn’t illegal – I shot many surface to air missiles in my misguided youth- what is illegal is using a “destructive device ” (such as a surface to air missile) to shoot at an aircraft.

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Old Bike Dude January 16, 2013 at 5:50 pm

Bottle rockets…

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Jan January 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Is there any weapon of any type the 2nd Amendment does not protect our right to own?

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Smirks January 17, 2013 at 9:44 am

Why is it illegal to own a surface to air missile? Those would be very useful against tyranny.

lol… If you overthrow tyrannical government, nothing is illegal. ;)

And I mean that both ways, as in “anything goes when it comes to fighting true tyranny,” and as “not like an overthrown government can prosecute you for breaking its laws.”

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? January 17, 2013 at 11:55 am

I think Smirks alludes to an interesting point.

If our gov’t(the only gov’t which has actually used nukes on what was a predominately civilian population) has nukes, poisen gas, napalm, circling airbone machine gun platforms, and various other methods of horrific killing devices- Does it not stand to reason that if you interpet the 2nd to be the ultimate safe guard against gov’t tyranny on its people that the populace as a whole should be able to have the same weapons?

I think that’s an interesting point to contemplate.

Sure, it’s going to drive people crazy…and one day some psycho with a tank might manage to kill a hundred people…but it is what it is.

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tomstickler January 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm

Colonel, I fired a few 762mm surface to surface missiles in my time, but only with practice flash/smoke warheads. The real ammo was kept in bunkers in a secured compound.

My best shot was 55 meter CEP at 12,000 meter range. Not bad with only 15 feet of rail guidance, eh?

Too bad they did not offer an “Expert” bar for Honest John to hang below the ones I earned for M-14 and M-1911-A1.

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The Colonel January 18, 2013 at 7:55 am

Tom, you’re really dating yourself here…

That’s a good shot though particularly when you consider that was a nuclear capable missile and a CEP of 3-4 miles would have been “close enough “…

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Old Bike Dude January 16, 2013 at 5:48 pm

You know why MADD et al was allowed to destroy the 4th amendment while reasonable citizens are unable to enact rational gun laws? There’s no fucking money in the 4th amendment. The NRA doesn’t fear gun laws. They fear falling profits and democracy. Fuck em.

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Amy Lazenby January 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm

Bingo.

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baker January 16, 2013 at 5:51 pm

I just don’t know what people mean by this kind of thing: “unqualified, unambiguous right to keep and bear arms.”

Is Will Folks saying that people should be allowed to carry around small nuclear weapons? Live grenades?

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The Colonel January 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm

Hand grenades and nukes are classified as “destructive devices” rather than “arms” for that very reason.

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Jan January 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm

So you are saying all we have to do is define guns as destructive devices and they cease to be arms. Interesting theory.

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The Colonel January 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Not that easy Jan

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 6:29 pm

If there was EVER a Reason that helps us understand the Second Amendment..it IS Obama…

Obama thinks there is NO law…he knows he could torture and kill a small child in front of the democrats..and they’d go out like Mind-numbed Drones and defned him…w/ a media making excuses…

This is an Irrational leader of Biblical proportions..

Just look at the shilling on this thread for Obama to plainly and clearly Pervert Constitution…

The Sendond Amendment EXISTS to defend against the Un-holy Terror of Obama, and his belief that he has un-restrainedd Power to impose his will on ALL of us…and we have no rights…

The Second Amendment has OBAMA written all over it…if you ever needed Extreme Force against the intursion of an out-of-control government..IT IS NOW…

And PS: I think the Military, like the state Law Enforcment already is, would turn against Obama…

90 percent of the soldiers vote against Obama…w/ only the military Gays and Affirmative Action Women voting FOR Obama…

We have the numbers now. Does Obama know that…and how far will he push to find out???…That’s the BIG question..

Based on the actions by the States, I think we’re a lot closer to a powder-keg than any of them know…and that’s BAD for the Leftwiing Extremeist …Just ask Hitler or the Socaialist Rev. Jim Jones…

It won’t end well for them…

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Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 6:45 pm

90 percent of the soldiers vote against Obama…w/ only the military Gays and Affirmative Action Women voting FOR Obama…
We have the numbers now. Does Obama know that…”

Oh, please don’t tease…where did YOU get those numbers? Lol! Dipshit fool.

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Sailor January 16, 2013 at 7:55 pm

Paragraphs 6 & 7 are getting pretty close to the line asshole. You’d better be careful or you’ll have the Secret Service knocking on your door.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 8:33 pm

STFU, Sailor…you Gestapo liberal Dumb@$$…You gone send the SS after me???

And IS: You must get your Soldier Voting Data from East Anglia…Remember what happened the last time you tried that (LMAO)…..

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Isptope Soap January 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Prove me wrong then.

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Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm

“And IS: You must get your Soldier Voting Data from East Anglia…Remember what happened the last time you tried that (LMAO)…..”

Prove it!

I’ve busted your shit so many times, I’ve lost count..things like.Obama’s quote, the $90 Billion energy tag you and Romney kept lying about and the Keystone Pipeline come to mind…cite your data on that 90 percent, you POS.

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BigT January 17, 2013 at 6:27 am

IS: You present propaganda…and think you’ve proven something…You are a green Dumb@$$…and I don’t mean enviromental…

Hitler would have loved it if America had nothing but people like you, who could be easily manipulated by the DNC and the media..

Educate yourself Idiot…you make our state look bad with your lack of intelligence…

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Isotope Soap January 17, 2013 at 8:43 am

“Educate yourself Idiot…you make our state look bad with your lack of intelligence…”

Well, answer the question and maybe I’ll get a little bit smarter…

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notagain January 17, 2013 at 8:50 am

I’d hate to be as fearful as you seem to be.

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Isotope Soap January 18, 2013 at 11:39 am

Just what I thought…psychological projection, deflection, and a whole lot of bulshit. Thanks, T! Keep it real…really predictable!!

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Thomas January 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm

This debate is so imbecilic. Why not move mountains and find out wtf happened at that school. There is much hidden than the story line presented within minutes of these murders tell us. Where are the CSI tv show watchers? Where are the local PD’s and real investigative police work? Where is the balls in CT that will tell the truth? Are we to believe that a career, pension, a job is worth keeping silent about the evidence at the crime scene, witness testimony, tv footage? We as a people accept the current story line in spite of solid evidence to the contrary? This the real tragedy. Those kids died in vain, and so did America.

“Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller, in his letter dated Monday, said politicians are “attempting to exploit the deaths of innocent victims” by supporting laws that would harm law-abiding Americans. The sheriff said he took an oath to support the Constitution, and laws preventing citizens from owning certain semi-automatic firearms and ammunition magazines would violate their rights.
“We are Americans,” Mueller wrote. “We must not allow, nor shall we tolerate, the actions of criminals, no matter how heinous the crimes, to prompt politicians to enact laws that will infringe upon the liberties of responsible citizens who have broken no laws.”

Read more: seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Ore-sheriff-says-he-won-t-enforce-new-gun-laws-4197032.php#ixzz2IBZ8lT9l

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Torch January 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Geez, I need a couple of weapon. Anyone got an F-15 or an F-35. Hmmm maybe a couple of RPGs, M119A’s, M198’s, and M142 – 270mm’s.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm

The Ft. Solider was a KNOWN Dangerous Terrorists…but Liberals Told us we could not adress that situation because it may offend the Terrorst who HATE America, like they hate America…

So there is BLOOD all over Obama’s hands…And the Ft. Hood shooter just laughs at this country…and the liberal Fools who allowed him to kill our soliders…

These Murders are the FAULT of Obama and the Left…because they are COWARDS to Murderers…and the Murderers know it…

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shifty henry January 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

….. a sample list of dictators who used children for propaganda:

1]….. potus
2]….. Hussein
3]….. Hitler
4]….. Mussolini
5]….. Stalin

—— says it all for me

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SparkleCity January 17, 2013 at 8:45 am

@Col:

I’ve read “One Second After” my self and the book that inspired it “Alas Babylon” when I was about 15 years old. I’m a “Boomer” who remembers all too well the “duck & cover” drills and as I have posted, the only time I have been truly scared and got on my knees and prayed to God was to NOT let the Yom Kippur War alert escalate to a nuclear exchange. It’s no wonder some of us “Boomers” are so damn crazy and used to live like there is no tomorrow because “no tomorrow” was a distinct possibility during the Cold War.

So I know from where you speak and as a “hillbiilly” from WV I know what’s it’s like to not have power for an extended period due to heavy snow so we were always prepared.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being prepared.

What I am referring to is the paranoia and self-induced hysteria that some on the right (and NOT just the extreme right) are exhibiting at this time. Again, as a past competition shooter this shit is cutting into my sport.

That being said, do you not agree with my two historic examples of organized resistance that IF there were a revolt the government could quell it successfully if they were determined to do so.

And “IF” the revolt WERE to go the way that some on the far right would want, a warlord society will prevail and it’s fucked for all.

I have read/heard a good point one time:

“If you don’t want gun limits, move to Somolia and see how you like it”.

Also, since both you & I served in the “Sandbox”, remember when firearms were limited to one per Iraqi household? That was imposed by our government and I don’t ever recall the conservative entertainment radio talkers calling BS on that.

And last but most important:

Remember who the REAL enemy is:

It AIN’T Obama (who I NEVER voted for) its the CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS Muslim faction who fears and resents our great freedoms. All we are doing is making it easier for them. We both know time is their greatest weapon and wasting time on some of this “from my cold dead hands” BS is playing right into their (and other enemies of freedom) hands.

I was based in an “undisclosed” base out in the middle of nowhere over there in 2002-2003 and I’ll never forget one poster:

“Yeah, this sucks but don’t forget why you’re here”

The slogan was imprinted over the picture of the burning Twin Towers…………..

I wish I had a copy of that poster for people who have forgotten or lost their focus.

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? January 17, 2013 at 9:18 am

“What I am referring to is the paranoia and self-induced hysteria”

Indeed Sparkle, indeed.

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sid January 17, 2013 at 11:11 am

“That being said, do you not agree with my two historic examples of organized resistance that IF there were a revolt the government could quell it successfully if they were determined to do so.”

So, what you are saying, SC, is that, because two examples of resistance to tyranny failed, we should ignore every single one that succeeded? Interesting approach.

“Also, since both you & I served in the “Sandbox”, remember when firearms were limited to one per Iraqi household? That was imposed by our government and I don’t ever recall the conservative entertainment radio talkers calling BS on that.”

Some did, many (maybe most) didn’t. Not sure you have much of a point, though, considering the circumstances.

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? January 17, 2013 at 11:40 am

There’s a certain irony in our gov’t “imposing” a 1 per household AK-47 limit on overseas occupations while the same gov’t is working on trying to make sure the populace here can’t have any.

lol

Anyone want some freedom fries with their hypocrisy gravy?

I hear the Canadians call it “American poutine”.

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notagain January 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Excellent post.

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captain January 17, 2013 at 9:12 am

Fits, congrats on an article that generated lots of comments and debate, which is a good thing.
However, it is a very poorly written article and I’m a little disappointed. The main point of your article says that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides American citizens with an unqualified, unambiguous right to keep and bear arms… This is totally not true, as some posters above have pointed out. The 2nd amendment IS qualified and ambiguous. You can’t just point out certain verbiage of the amendment and leave off the inconvenient parts.

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The Colonel January 17, 2013 at 9:35 am

The fact that some posters don’t understand the context doesn’t make the intent unclear.

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Darth January 17, 2013 at 10:27 am

Meanwhile, Obamacare denied access to mental health for at least one and how many future shooters? The DEATH PANELS are here and in more than one facet of denial of care. This isn’t about the guns, it issn’s about the children, is is about control for a tyrant that promised his own non military military back in the ’08 election and saw the brownshirt agencies making massive ammuniton buys, maybe some from China, in the last years.

At least the Armed Forces are required to check out of any illegal order, unlike the Wermacht and SS that were just following orders.

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SparkleCity January 17, 2013 at 11:29 pm

Well, comparing the Wermacht to the SS is a bit of a stretch………..

And there was that little party called My Lai back in Vietnam

Actually members or the Wermacht attempted to assassinate Hitler a number of times and died when their attempts failed including FM Erin Rommell.

The only actual death panels I am aware of are the Insurance Companies. They’ve been deciding who gets to live and who gets to die WAY before Obama was on the scene.

You historical revisionists are a hoot, you know that???

You’re damn near as bad as the communists!!!

Now be a good sport and go back to listening to Rush & Glen – your brainwash needs an upgrade……..

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Judy Chop January 17, 2013 at 7:23 pm

SparkleCity is right in his above post about most of the ammo being gone at Academy Sports in Greenville. I went to the new Academy Sports in Columbia, last weekend, and the ammo shelves were bare. There were about 6 dudes hanging around the area discussing the “future” of America.

SC certainly doesn’t corner the market when it comes to rednecks, but this Redneck Nation crowd is definitely getting ready for something. At least in the Civil War we had drummer boys who could make us feel proud when we marched off to die for the cause. Maybe this time we can get motivated by country-rap or sumpin’.

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SparkleCity January 17, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Sid:

They wern’t just two examples, they were two BIG FUCKING examples….

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sid January 18, 2013 at 8:11 am

And history has numerous examples of people rising up against a government with distinct advantages in arms and succeeding in throwing off the yoke of tyranny. Your point seemed to be revolution, if deemed necessary, would not work if the controlling power had a distinct advantage in arms, thus the 2A is either no longer relevant or does not offer protection for certain arms you feel are not protected. I disagree, and I think history disagrees.

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mph January 18, 2013 at 11:39 am

Good lord.

First, nobody is coming for your guns, you bed wetters. If anybody wants to set up a wager that the gov’t will be confiscating weapons, I got that action all day. Bring it.

Second, if you babies would stop whinging and start organizing and putting together a winning coalition, you could reverse all this “tyranny” and live in the dystopian government (see SC) you all dream of. You can have dirty air and water. You can turn the country into an armed camp. You can build electric fences along the southern border. You can let the Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street run the government. You might even be able to overturn Roe and get “Intelligent Design” in schools.

Win some elections and stop the grandiose fantasies of “taking back America” through some bloody revolution.

I mean damn, the Democrats are so incompetent, how hard could it be?

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Isotope Soap January 18, 2013 at 4:03 pm

Apparently they haven’t worked out all the logistics yet. Lol! I hope these idiots do march with their guns. It would be very interesting to see how many will accidently shot themselves.

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9" January 18, 2013 at 11:34 pm

I’ve gotta big dick.I don’t need a gun.

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shifty henry January 19, 2013 at 9:14 am

…. what’s your point?

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sid January 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm

Just because you ARE a big dick doesn’t mean you HAVE one. Stop measuring from your taint and you may find you are average, if not below.

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SCBlues January 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm

If they keep shooting themselves like they did at several gun shows across the country this weekend we may not even have to deal with the NRA and the Gun Nuts! LOL

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Booyah January 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm

“Meanwhile, Obamacare denied access to mental health for at least one and how many future shooters”

Obamacare isn’t even operational yet. Also, the movement to keep loonies out of institutions and on the street (throwing meds at them is much cheaper) is many decades old and well documented.

I’m not defending Obammy, but if you don’t know what you are talking about shut the fuck up you drooling inbred piece of shit. :)

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