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Barack Obama Declares War On Guns

SECOND AMENDMENT FREEDOMS UNDER FIRE U.S. President Barack Obama rolled out twenty-three new “executive actions” aimed at eroding Americans’ Second Amendment freedoms this week – and announced his support for even tougher anti-gun legislation in the U.S. Congress. Specifically, Obama is backing a new ban on assault rifles, universal background…

SECOND AMENDMENT FREEDOMS UNDER FIRE

U.S. President Barack Obama rolled out twenty-three new “executive actions” aimed at eroding Americans’ Second Amendment freedoms this week – and announced his support for even tougher anti-gun legislation in the U.S. Congress.

Specifically, Obama is backing a new ban on assault rifles, universal background checks and a prohibition against magazines containing more than ten rounds.  He also wants to put 1,000 police officers in schools and dramatically increase government funding for mental health research. All of those reforms would require the approval of the Congress, but Obama also announced a flood of new “executive actions” which will take effect immediately.

Among those “actions?” A national crackdown on illegal guns – which is ironic considering the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal which continues to plague Obama’s Justice Department (USDOJ).

In a nod to the Hollywood money that helped get him reelected, Obama’s proposals did not address the preponderance of graphic, gun-related violence in movies, television shows and video games. Obviously that’s fine with us (we support the First AND Second Amendments around here), but Obama’s decision not to extend his overreach into the media/ entertainment realm is telling.

Obama’s proposals have produced some heated reaction – and justifiably so.

Earlier this week U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) vowed to fight Obama’s war on guns “by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment.”

Following Obama’s announcement, U.S. Rep. Trey Radel (R-Florida) told a Florida blog “all options should be on the table.”

“It is one of those times in our history, we are at this breaking point,” Radel told The Shark Tank. “We have completely lost our checks and balances in this country, the Congress needs to hold the president accountable for the decisions that he’s making right now, and that why again, I would say that all options should be on the table.”

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79 comments

Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Uh huh…Milk it, Fits.

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Leroy Greene January 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm

Is that you again Alvin?

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fuu January 21, 2013 at 7:55 pm Reply
middle of the road January 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Sounds reasonable to me!

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tomstickler January 16, 2013 at 10:05 pm

There is nothing in the law, nor in the new Executive Orders that compels you to answer any question your doctor asks you. You are not under oath, are you?

I love the smell of paranoia in the morning!

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tomstickler January 16, 2013 at 10:09 pm

Sorry, the above response was meant to apply to the post below.

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Not So Fast January 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm

Actually, your article makes an incorrect implication. Since the vast majority of Americans do not consider “a new ban on assault rifles, universal background checks and a prohibition against magazines containing more than ten rounds” as “eroding Americans’ Second Amendment freedoms,” please take the time to provide more detailed support for why you think second amendment rights are eroded by these proposed gun controls.

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Frank Pytel January 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Wrong. They in fact do :)

MSM do not count conservatives as people, hence their polling numbers.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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fitsnews Author January 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm

As has been said by many a marveling lass, I am not the “vast majority” of Americans.

For starters, Obama’s orders constitute an invasion of the doctor-patient confidentiality (which was expressly protected in Obamacare) as well as the effective criminalization of anyone who fails a background test (i.e. you can go to jail for wanting to buy a gun). It also authorizes what amounts to the greatest law enforcement snooping operation since the Patriot Act.

Much ado about nothing my ass …
-W

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jurisdoc January 16, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Doesn’t criminalize failing a background check – it would criminalize lying on the form (already a crime) or trying to buy one when you know you are prohibited (already a crime). For example, if you have a CDV conviction, you should know you can’t have a gun so you can get arrested for trying to buy it.

You can also get arrested for trying to buy heroin.

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Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Well, James Holmes should have been followed up on after his psychiatrist reported concerns about his behavior weeks before.

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm

For starters, Obama’s orders constitute an invasion of the doctor-patient confidentiality (which was expressly protected in Obamacare)

This regards the following:

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

If someone is found to be mentally unfit to own weapons, it should appear on a background check that is performed before one can obtain a gun. That doesn’t violate jack shit unless you go to a bad doctor that claims you are unfit when you really aren’t, which can be handled in court. There needs to be a process where a person who is mentally unstable and a risk to society is at least marked off from being able to purchase a gun through normal means, even if it doesn’t necessarily stop them from obtaining a weapon.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Under many circumstances, this is a good thing, too. I’d hope that someone who is mentally unstable would be asked by their shrink if they have any guns.

as well as the effective criminalization of anyone who fails a background test

Where the hell did you get that from? I reviewed the entire list of actions and couldn’t see one that even hinted at this. Also, check this:

Of those denied a gun because of a failed background check in 2010, 47 percent had been previously convicted of a felony or faced a felony charge, and 19 percent were fugitives, according to a recent study financed by the Justice Department.

dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2013/01/14/u-s–fails-to-pursue-people-who-lie-on-gun-checks.html

If this supposed action is intended to jail felons and fugitives who are actively trying to illegally obtain weapons, how is that not fine?

It also authorizes what amounts to the greatest law enforcement snooping operation since the Patriot Act.

lol… That’s a stretch. You haven’t been paying attention, either, as they’ve been trying to do much more with the Internet than any of this shit will ever amount to.

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sid January 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm

“Under many circumstances, this is a good thing, too. I’d hope that someone who is mentally unstable would be asked by their shrink if they have any guns.”

So, when you go in to get a flu shot, you have no problem with your doctor asking you if you own guns, and how you store them? Should that be part of your health file?

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 4:19 pm

So, when you go in to get a flu shot, you have no problem with your doctor asking you if you own guns, and how you store them?

And under what pretense would a doctor even want to ask such a retarded question during something so routine? And under what pretense would the doctor be allowed to share such information with anyone except for in the instance of some sort of possible criminal activity being a factor?

The law is meant to empower those who treat the mentally ill to ask about guns, or make sure doctors have the ability to ask victims of domestic violence if their abuser happens to be armed. This information is used more for law enforcement trying to disarm people who may be a danger to themselves and others than it does putting a little privacy-killing note in your record for other doctors to read, although I think other mental health professionals deserve to know if a patient who is too mentally unbalanced to be owning guns has had a behavior of seeking guns in the past.

Doctors working at private practices or hospitals aren’t government bureaucrats or police investigators. Besides that, anyone with two brain cells to bump together can tell if a doctor has to ask you about how many guns you own while giving you a simple check-up or shot shouldn’t be their doctor anymore.

The fact that the ACA “does not prohibit” a doctor from asking a patient about guns in their home is by no means saying that a doctor has the right to ask every patient about their guns no matter what the reason. If a clarification needs to be made that the only time they can ask about such things is if it pertains to the immediate health and/or safety of the patient or other people, then fine, but overall the notion isn’t that horrendous.

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sid January 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Answer my question without trying to prove how little you really know in as many words as possible. Are you fine with doctors asking you about the guns you own, and how you store them? Are you fine with them putting that in your medical records? Also, if you ever have kids, are you fine with their doctors asking them about your guns, even if you are not present, and entering it into your medical records? If you don’t want to answer, just don’t bore me with another lengthy, pointless evasion.

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Frank Pytel January 17, 2013 at 6:27 am

@smirks

“And under what pretense would a doctor even want to ask such a retarded question during something so routine”

My childs pediatrician began asking when he was born and never stopped asking until I told to her to go frack herself. They already ask. Have been for many many years.

I don’t at the moment own a gun. Would love to have a nice 30-30 and a .22 to plink with. Double barreled 12 gauge would be nice as well. Nice entry/exit weapon. That being said, my personal take on it is that if it is fabricated, it should be purchasable in the US.

@jurisdoc

“For example, if you have a CDV conviction…”

I got new for ya brother, you don’t have to be convicted. Only accused.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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CUvinny January 16, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Which of the executive actions erode your rights? The one that allows the CDC to research gun violence again? The national gun safety campaign? Or the one that makes back ground checks more efficient?

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Raspy January 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm

How about the calling for reinstatement of the Clinton (only worse) magazine and weapons ban?

This is all about eventually disarming us. When this doesn’t stop atrocities, same as all prior gun laws before it, they will predictably want even more. It never ends and anti-gun zealots are never satisfied.

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Robert January 16, 2013 at 2:22 pm

FITS, did you even read the 23 executive orders? Not one of them had any real substance.

Much ado about nothing.

Will Congress go along with legislation? doubtful until public opinion sways further. And the American public, while shifted recently, is still far from willing to clamp down on guns.

Hope we don’t have another Sandy Hook to push them.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 2:27 pm

You are a F*@kin DISGRACE to humanity…you HUMAN Piece of $#!t…

Using the murder of innocents to perpetuate your NAZI HATE and March against Freedom…

You are DISGUSTING….

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south mauldin January 16, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Robert – looks like you pissed off the village idiot. Congratulations.

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BradWarthenSucks January 16, 2013 at 4:37 pm

south mauldin – It doesn’t take much anymore, this guy is seriously unstable medicated or un-medicated.

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T-bot 5000 January 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm

I would like to think that all the people at odds today, whether they be American, French, Muslim, or Christian, put aside our differences to join hands and pray to baby Jesus, our Lord and Savior, that I do not shoot you with lasers, but the faces of the babies that put their lives on the line. (never forget)

I drew some ASCII art.
t ~~~~~~~

It’s seven Muslim praying to the Jesus that…
boop.

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Assault weapons ban? Stupid. Magazines limited to 10 rounds? Absolutely stupid.

Universal background checks? Acceptable to me. 1k armed guards? lol… Won’t do much, but OK. Increased funding for mental health services? Might be a good idea, probably won’t be spent wisely, but shoot some proposals. We do need improvements to the way we treat mental illnesses in this country.

On the 23 executive actions:

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

As long as the gun was seized legally, no problem, but that isn’t a guarantee. This could be very heavily abused. Bad idea.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

Because national campaigns to stop drug use, childhood obesity, and gambling have been a massive success, right? Waste of money.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

“New gun safety technologies?” Err, okay. Sounds dumb, but issuing a report companies can subsequently ignore? Have fun.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Oh lord, spare us please.

The rest are acceptable. Really, the bad things are the two bans, which won’t stop incidents like the last ones in the least bit.

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ceilidh10 January 16, 2013 at 2:38 pm

I have no quarrel with sane, law-abiding people using any weapon he or she chooses. I am not against hunters using guns to kill deer or fowl. I don’t want little kids to suffer at the hands of crazy people with mental or criminal backgrounds, or to have lying on applications. I also do not think the NRA is above anyone else in this country.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm

100-K new NRA members,….Gun Stores selling out…and Governors telling Law Enforcement to IGNORE Obama’s un-Constitutional Gestapo orders…

This is a Fight Obama will not win…but the idiots who vote for him, and the media (including FITS) are too stupid to understand what is, and what will, happen…

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ceilidh10 January 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Now Big T, pull yourself together or we will get a psychiatric evaluation and psychotropic treatment for you after we throw you into the looney bin.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm

STFU…you weak, lame and Ignorant Cliche..

If you can’t think…STFU (did I say that already)…Too many Stupid people in the mix righht now…

Obama emboldened a lot of fools…like you…

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Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 2:37 pm

BigT won’t get past an evalulation test. His public admission here alone prove he’s too unstable…but go march anyway.

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ceilidh10 January 16, 2013 at 2:41 pm

Big T every time you open your mouth, you prove that you are ignorant, unstable, and prone to violence.

You are exactly the type person who should not permitted to use guns.

Go kiss my sweet liberal rich ass.

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Saluda Rapids January 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Everything you say is cliche, you mutant.

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Neil January 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm

You’re not rich. If you were you’d be a good little liberal and share your wealth. Since there are bums next to the library in columbia I can only assume you haven’t done your part.

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jurisdoc January 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm

I’m an NRA member, CWP holder, and proud gun owner. I hunt and shoot regularly. I don’t oppose his executive orders, as they do nothing to curtail the rights of law abiding citizens.

I don’t mind background checks for gun shows and private sales. Makes sense to me.

BTW, I have an AR15 and have even mowed down a few trees with it. But to be perfectly honest, there is no reason whatsoever for me to have it other than kicks and giggles. Horrible home defense gun and not so good for hunting either. Don’t think banning them will help anything though, so why bother.

I’m ready to discuss anything – as it ain’t gonna hurt to talk it out. I certainly won’t resort to calling people “F*@kin DISGRACE to humanity…you HUMAN Piece of $#!t” – I’ll just call them “Big T” if an insult is needed.

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 3:20 pm

+1

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south mauldin January 16, 2013 at 3:30 pm

Thats a good post, jurisdoc. Reasonable and well thought out. I hate guns, don’t own guns but have no qualms with sane people owning them within certain parameters.

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Common Sense January 16, 2013 at 5:33 pm

+3

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Frank Pytel January 17, 2013 at 6:36 am

“Don’t think banning them will help anything though, so why bother. ”

It helps the gubmint. When you are disarmed, they can reach into your pockets deeper and you can’t do shit about it.

If you boil it down the two things you have going for you in this country is the HOPE that taxes will be lower. The average person really doesn’t have any more freedom than most other nations (excluding those that have the current polpot/hitler/castro/muslamisalamishitforbrains types). You can go to the park, the museum, play hookie from work, whatever.

The other is gun ownership. Its gun ownership that keeps the gubmint in check and helps to prevent the economic disasters that are happening all over the world.

I think that democracy is headed down the shitter for another 1000 years or so. How long did it take for it come back after greece?

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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reasonable January 16, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Why is an assault weapons ban blasphemy when Obama suggests it but not when Reagan supported it?

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Isotope Soap January 16, 2013 at 2:52 pm

Maybe since Rush and Fox News wasn’t kicking in yet?

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PZZep January 16, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Because they tried it (1994 to 2004) and it didn’t work. Because they have one in CT and it obviously didn’t work (see Newtown). Because they have one in Oakland CA and it’s not working.

If you want to be serious about the mass murder issue then offering feel good legislation that’s proven to be completely ineffective is not a good start. Complaining about the NRA using Obama’s kids for political gain then getting on stage with kids to announce the same worn out solution is even worse.

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BigT January 16, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Since Obama is against murder now…will he go after abortion, and end it…

Or will he Force his Daughters to get an abortion, like he said he would, if they got “In Trouble”….

Can’t wait to hear the Barin-Dead Idiots answer this one…

If he’s anti-Murder…he has to be anti-abortion, too…Right…

Or, are you Hypocrites???

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Since Obama is against murder now…

Tell that to Pakistan. :)

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south mauldin January 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm

Right on, Smirks. Obama’s order of killing Bin Laden was similar to Jimmy Carter trying to free the hostages. Difference was, Carter’s team sadly failed and it cost him reelection. Had Obama’s attempt failed along the lines of Carter’s, I think it would have cost his reelection as well.

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Smirks January 16, 2013 at 4:25 pm

I actually don’t fault him for going after bin Laden, I was talking more along the lines of drone strikes killing “suspected enemy combatants.”

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Saluda Rapids January 16, 2013 at 7:34 pm

It takes a “Barin-Dead Idiot” to know a “Barin-Dead Idiot.”

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Isotope Soap January 19, 2013 at 10:37 am

Lol!

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Fleet January 16, 2013 at 3:49 pm

I hunt and shoot in competitions. I have a M1 carbine, like the one my dad and millions of GI’s carried in WWII. Under NY law, it and the M1 Garand are illegal. When is the last time you heard these being used in a crime? I am in favor of changes being made, and of having LEOs in every school, along with more money and accessible mental health. Make a law that makes sense, and will deal with the issues.

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EJB January 16, 2013 at 4:21 pm

The mental health requirements outlined, namely requiring doctors to report people they “think” might be dangerous will set back mental health in this country many decades. “Allowing” them to report suspected dangerous people would be much better. If they are “required” to report and if one of their patients causes mayhem they will be subject to some kind of penalty or lawsuit. Since hindsight is 20/20 people will always say “they should have known” in order to reap the benefits of the lawsuit. So the doc thinks “not taking any chances” and reports even minor possibilities. A couple of people get hauled in and stigmatized, word gets around and people stop talking to shrinks (probably already happening), especially recently returned military vets. “Allowing” them to report would remove the possibility of lawsuits and give them room to use their judgment.

Are we as a nation truly letting one (or even a couple dozen) pathetic POS scare the living poop out of all 330 million of us. Can no one say “stop”? Israel has bombings, missiles flung at them and shootings as every day obstacles and they don’t panic like this, and this is panic.

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EJB January 16, 2013 at 4:23 pm

None of the prohibitions on guns, magazines or ammo will affect the criminal element one iota. Also, just because you don’t see a reason for someone to have an AR rifle doesn’t mean there is no purpose. Many have them for target shooting, coyote hunting, varmint hunting and other purposes. There are people that take vacations varmint hunting out west and will shoot a couple thousand rounds (yes, thousand) in a week of shooting. There are numerous competitions that use high capacity magazines. Just because your understanding of the shooting sports is limited doesn’t mean you should sell out other gun owners hoping to protect your little corner of the shooting world (appeasement). That is the goal, separate the various factions of gun owners and cut them down one at a time with the help of the others, just like they did with ObamaCare (AARP, AMA and insurers). This is very much the Arab proverb of the camel with his nose in the tent and waking up sleeping with the camel. Separate for any reason or purpose and we are screwed, stay united against ANY intrusion and we might save the 2nd Amendment.

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jurisdoc January 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm

As I stated, there are few reasons to own an AR, but most people don’t see my need or desire to own the small arsenal I have either. ALSO AS I STATED – “don’t think an AR15 ban or hi cap mag ban will do any good, so why bother.” I certainly don’t want to do away with guns just because I don’t have one of that type. I think laws for the sake of laws are stupid and a waste of time. And I do understand the slippery slope argument.

I do support things that might help keep guns out of the hands of bad people or crazy people. Such things as background checks for ALL sales, gun shows and private sales included. Not that hard to enforce either – just hold me responsible for crimes committed with my guns unless I reported it stolen or did a background check on the purchaser b/f I sold it. SImple, and easy.

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Fleet January 16, 2013 at 4:36 pm

EJB, I have an AR15 that I shoot in NRA high power competitions. It has a full length barrel and stock, along with iron sights and extra lead weights installed. 30 round mags are not allowed to be used, along with front vertical grips, short barrels and stocks. I hope this improves your understanding of shooting sports. At no time in my post did I say that AR’s should be outlawed.
Have a great day.

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EJB January 16, 2013 at 5:48 pm

I’m sure there are competitions, maybe not NRA sanctioned, that do allow larger capacity magazines. Varmint hunters use larger capacity magazines. The shooting sports are a huge world of people with probably thousands of facets and many just plain want these magazines. Shouldn’t law abiding people be allowed to have what the criminals have? Isn’t that why law enforcement switched from revolvers to semi-automatics, so they could have equal footing with the bad guys? The bad guys aren’t going to pick on groups or armed citizens. They will wolf pack a lonely citizen and pounce. If lonely citizen has 7 shots he’s going to have a hard time winning.

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Jake January 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm

Here is a question, if someone has been declared mentally incompetent should law enforcement have the power to confiscate their previously legally obtained weapons? War on guns, Jesus I am tired of stupid inflammatory headlines.

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sid January 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

They already have that power. If you legally possess firearms, then your status changes so that you are now prohibited from possessing firearms, law enforcement may confiscate your firearms. No new laws are needed in that regard.

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Andrew January 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm

How awful.

It’s like he’s taking us back to Reagan era gun laws or something.

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sid January 16, 2013 at 7:35 pm

Explain, please. To what laws are you referring that were in place under Reagan?

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EJB January 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm

Wasn’t accusing anyone of anything, but the game plan from their sideline will be to separate the various gun groups, hunters, target shooters, plinkers, etc. then knock them out one at a time until there isn’t much opposition then outright confiscation and a total ban will follow. Some posters made comments that sounded like their particular corner wasn’t affected so they so no problem with the particular rule/regulation/law. That is how the gun grabbers will win if they do win.

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Fleet January 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm

EJB If you can’t hit a target with 7 rounds (or 10 as Obama has proposed) you need a lot more range time.

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Raspy January 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Yeah, makes a lot of sense……, until you find yourself or maybe your homestead under attack by a gang of seven or more thugs. Reality is, it may take more than one shot per adversary. This is all about disarming the citizenry. Nothing good, reasonable, or necessary about these proposals.

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EJB January 17, 2013 at 7:01 am

Remember, a lot years ago, the cops (I believe 5 were involved) in New York City shot a guy dead that was unarmed. They fired a total of 41 rounds, 11 of them hit him, from less than 25 yards, trained cops. Regardless of range time, when the poop hits the fan the game changes. I’ve seen how Lexington County trains their officers and talked to a number of other police officers and real life tends to be much different than training. As a very minor comparison, ever hear of buck fever? I’ve known hunters that were good shots out to 300 yards but when the buck of their dreams shows up they blow an easy 100 yard shot, completely miss the deer. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to hunt deer if they shot back. Most people regardless of training won’t hit squat when the time comes. They recently had a story of a woman in Georgia, protecting her children, that emptied her revolver, 6 shots, at a home invader that was just feet away. He was winged but got away, he could have concluded the visit by killing her and the kids because she had only 6 shots. Even for macho guys actual gun fights are different than shooting on the range.

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EJB January 17, 2013 at 7:23 am

My mistake, 4 officers, man was hit 19 out of 41 shots, some shots fired from “feet” away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting

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Fleet January 17, 2013 at 9:16 am

As far as the Georgia woman goes, she didn’t “wing” him. From the article-(Do a Google search most say the same thing).
“Slater– who was taken to the hospital with punctured lungs, a punctured liver, and a punctured stomach– has reportedly been arrested six times since 2008.”
She used a .38 revolver by the way. As far as LEO’s go, they are notorious for qualifying once a year. Like any other tool, practice and being competent are the keys.
It looks like we must agree to disagree on this. Have a great day.

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EJB January 17, 2013 at 12:29 pm

I looked up a local news report of the incident. You are correct, her revolver had five rounds and she shot and hit him with all five rounds, her training and marksmanship paid off, except if he had wanted to he could have killed her because she had no more bullets. He still had enough wherewithal to get up, get in a car and drive down the road and crash the car. When the police found him he was still conscious. More bullets in the gun would have been better protection than luck.

http://loganville.patch.com/articles/loganville-woman-shoots-burglar-several-times

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Fleet January 17, 2013 at 12:49 pm

EJB: My point is to use the proper firearm. As Robert Ruark used to say “Use enough gun”. If she had a shotgun or a .45 she wouldn’t have to have shot him several times. Nor would she have to have a 30 round mag and use the “spray and pray” method. Proper training and the proper weapon should be mandatory.

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EJB January 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

Not every woman can handle a .45. A gun salesman tried to sell my wife a .357 magnum but that was way too much. She would never have practiced enough to hit anything. She tried my .45 and again it was too much. She does shoot a .38 special like nobody’s business and shoots it better than I. Too little is better than none at all but you can’t force someone to use a gun that you think they should have because you don’t think what they can handle is enough. I would rather my wife had a smaller caliber weapon, that she would practice with, and a large capacity magazine than no gun, and hope for police intervention. Its nuts to expect everybody to meet a macho criteria to have a gun.

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Fleet January 17, 2013 at 5:06 pm

“Or a shotgun.” You just like to argue, don’t you. Go ahead and have the last word.

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Judy Chop January 16, 2013 at 10:09 pm

This is coming next: Cars must get a minimum of 35 miles to the gallon. Why does any sane person need a V-8? You can get from point A to point B with a 4 cyl just as well. SUV’s will become the next AR-15. Trust me on this.

A very small group of elitist intellectuals will tell the rest of us (98% of the population) how we must live our lives. Fuckin’ sad.

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Lawn Sharts January 16, 2013 at 11:07 pm

bingo – anyone who would allow federal gun laws to be circumventented to target criminals is not to be trusted as a steward of our rights.

Brian Terry’s mother should have been front and center today at that announcement – to remind our emperor he has no clothes.

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Lawn Sharts January 16, 2013 at 11:08 pm

*circumvented

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? January 16, 2013 at 11:16 pm

You are absolutely right. The whole E85 crap will step up the CAFE standard bullshit as well….most pre 08′ cars don’t have the design parameters to last running the E85 shit.

Like the old V8 stuff and wanna hold onto it while everyone drives around in lower displacement engines that are turbo charged and cost lots of money? Good Luck….better start replacing fuel lines/pumps, gas tanks, etc.

Central planning is going to fail so spectacularly in the long haul that all this shit we are dealing with now is going to appear in history books 100 years from now with future students saying, “Can you believe they were so stupid?”

The elected elite think they can plan everything and know what’s best for everyone.

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whyfudgeinyocuntbitch January 17, 2013 at 4:37 am

how come you hate the coloreds ,so BAD

judy chink ass bitch kinda rite;98 percent of the popular should eat shit

and,cause they dumb as 30-year old bongwater contaminated w/peanut butter and ass-fuck drippings….can’t we have a fuckin hunting season on em,but then shithead wouldn’t have a gosh darn —// blawg

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brushjumper January 17, 2013 at 12:40 pm

The Socialist Marxist Failed President does NOT want our guns, they want to control the population period.

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magentaplacenta January 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm

then why weren’t you aborted.cause now you’re just a walking around living abortion spouting diarrhea

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brushjumper January 17, 2013 at 12:42 pm

The Failed President is a narcissist liar, socialist, and is destroying America. He is a very dangerous man and ignores the law in general, the will of the American people, Congress, and the Constitution. Obama has never stood for individualism, capitalism, or liberty. He is symbolic of a man who has downgraded the White House, the Constitution, human life, foreign policy, race relations, and America herself.

The majority of Americans are sick of his condescension, his policies, his racist bigotry, and his incompetence. This is the most corrupt, incompetent, dangerous tyrannical Administration in American history. His character is arrogance, conceit, egotism, vanity, and rank amateurism. His Presidency is a platform of Division, Diversion, Anger, Hate, Defaming and Demagoguery.

Barack is a far left radical, anti-American, and plain old Chicago THUG politician. This Administration is an enemy of the American people and his presidency is a disaster. Obama’s legacy is one of economic ruin and looming national bankruptcy. It is a complete and utter disgrace that Barrack Hussein Obama has lied to the entire nation regarding the cover-up in Libya which resulted in dead Americans, truly disgusting. He is the most unqualified man to have ever been elected President and the tenor of his tenure has proven this to be true.

Barack as he truly is inside—an immoral, gutless, unfeeling, selfish, hypocritical, overly ambitious and hideously uncaring person. Obama ONLY cares about what he personally finds valuable, which obviously does not include individual Americans, or any random human beings. He is a Socialist/Marxist, raised, nurtured, and mentored by Marxist Communists; and an enemy of Capitalism.

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Common Sense January 17, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Roflmao..losers whine..winners win. Oh and the tin foil hat is a little crooked..better straighten that shit up..

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Reagan Years January 17, 2013 at 1:02 pm

“The majority of Americans are sick of his condescension, his policies, his racist bigotry, and his incompetence.”

I was wondering how he got elected.

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Soft Sigh from Hell January 17, 2013 at 6:25 pm

We need a “He’s a’coming to get all your guns” topic every week.

Nothing brings out the laughable loons and their amusing paranoic ravings like a “get the guns” article. They live in one of the freest and politically safest lands in the world and they still see commies and other would-be tyrants behind every lamppost, heck, behind every bedpost. And they delude that their ragtag with popguns will ward off the imagined hordes of disciplined “takeover” troops hoisting “Krupp guns.” I wonder if they have superhero capes hidden in their sock drawers?

Let’em howl. The show is a hoot. And until one goes bonkers, there is little harm done.

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Dr.Bob January 18, 2013 at 9:57 am

As they say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story, huh, FITS. “Declares War” !!!! I thought only Congress could declare war? A little strong, huh, FITS. One question: Why aren’t fully automatic weapons available at your local gun store? I’ll answer. Because it is against the law to own or purschase fully automatic weapons in this country. Why? Because they are way too lethal to be at large in the general public and deer shot with them are way over-tenderized. Another question: If some nut case is pointing a rifle at YOUR child, would you rather he/she had an, A. an AR-15, B. an AK-47 or C. any other weapon? Let me enterject an apparently little known fact about the Newtown shootings. How many of you NRAers out there know that not one of the children killed at Newtown were shot only once. They were 5th & 6th graders and they were EACH short 2,3,& 4 times. Is that OK with you NRAers? Okay. lets do the math. there were 27 victims, each shot lets say 2.5 times, that’s 68 rounds fired and lethal within several minutes. Aurora, CO 70 people shot , 12 dead. Really?? If nut cases must point loaded weapons at innocent people, do we have to allow them to use the most lethal killing machines that man has devised? Or can we use common sense and say that your right to hold an AR-15 is superceded by a parent’s right to hold their child.

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sid January 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm

“Because it is against the law to own or purschase fully automatic weapons in this country.”

No, it is not. They are strictly regulated, but if you follow all of the rules, you may legally purchase and possess them. Never let the truth get in the way…

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