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SC Guns Gone Wild!

… AND WHY THAT’S A GOOD THING We were recently forwarded a tip from one of our anonymous sources requesting that we expose the failure of the S.C. Department of Revenue (SCDOR) to collect taxes from unauthorized gun sales. “Gun show and sale events occur almost every weekend at convention…

… AND WHY THAT’S A GOOD THING

We were recently forwarded a tip from one of our anonymous sources requesting that we expose the failure of the S.C. Department of Revenue (SCDOR) to collect taxes from unauthorized gun sales.

“Gun show and sale events occur almost every weekend at convention centers and shrine clubs across the state,” our source asserted.  “Hundreds of vendors and gun dealers conduct hundreds of thousands of dollars in transactions that are for the most part not taxed.  Most (not all) dealers have no retail license and don’t collect or pay sales tax to the Department of Revenue.”

The source added that they have complained to SCDOR, filed the appropriate paperwork to initiate a formal investigation and yet “no one has done anything.”

Hmmmm … imagine that!  Of course SCDOR has been incredibly busy lately …

Here’s the thing, though … this could be one of those rare instances in which government laziness actually turns out to be a good thing.  If it is indeed true that “hundreds of thousands of dollars in (gun) transactions” are taking place illegally across South Carolina – with SCDOR being none the wiser – so what?

We support off-the-books transactions … and off-the-books gun ownership.  Seriously … more power to the people buying and selling these guns.  We hope their industry prospers – and that S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley’s preoccupied bean counters continue to keep their grubby mitts off of this money.

Think we’re crazy?

Consider this:  If the federal government can run guns, if state government can cough up our bank info to the mob and if local government can rob us blind by rigging elections … then it seems to us that private citizens are perfectly within their rights when it comes to conducting transactions like these.

Freedom and free markets, people … if your leaders won’t protect them (and trust us, they won’t), then you have to protect them yourself.

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37 comments

johnb November 30, 2012 at 10:18 am

Peeps were 4 deep at the counter buying guns at Academy Sports in Greenville yesterday.
I was in line.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 10:28 am

“Consider this: If the federal government can run guns, if state government can cough up our bank info to the mob and if local government can rob us blind by rigging elections … then it seems to us that private citizens are perfectly within their rights when it comes to conducting transactions like these.”

This is not the point. According to the second amendment, unappended by the supreme weenies, if it can be made it should be purchasable by a citizen of the US. There is no need to track the gun. Track the felon instead.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Raspy November 30, 2012 at 10:32 am

I fully agree with the editorial. It may have been better to just let this story remain in the background rather than airing it, but I do concur.

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jjevans December 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Right On!

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BradWarthenSucks November 30, 2012 at 11:15 am

I got a letter a few months ago from DOR requesting I pay sales tax on something I bought in another state and had shipped to my house. Then they sent out another letter later estimating the value of what I hadn’t paid nor responded to. Patiently awaiting the third letter asking me why I hadn’t paid SC sales tax on something purchased in another state. I might respond if they decide to send me something certified.

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BradWarthenSucks November 30, 2012 at 11:17 am

The NRA has named their 2012 Gun Salesman of the year. Barak Obama who is a repeat award winner which he won in 2008.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:20 am

+?

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:20 am

supposed to be + infinity. Stew Pee PC

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Tricky Ricky November 30, 2012 at 11:41 am

Do we REALLY want ANYONE (Read this as Thugs, gangbangers and drug addicts) buying guns at gun shows without ANY checks or balances?

For that is currently what is possible. ANYONE can sell to ANYONE at a gun show as long as they are not a licensed dealer.

I fully realize the slippery slope of gun control, but as I once read, “I should be able to buy whatever and however many guns I want, but I really don’t want “them” to EVER have a gun”.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:46 am

If the fracking commie judges (criminal and civil) would enforce the law as written instead of asking what the definition of “is” is then the thugs and gangbangers would not be around.

As for drug dealers, this is antiquated criminal code. It should be erased from the books. I don’t care if some moron wants to stick a needle in his/her body. If they damage something they are guilty of vandalism. If they kill someone they are guilty of murder. Problem solved.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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BradWarthenSucks November 30, 2012 at 1:29 pm

At this point does it really matter? I believe there are more guns in this country than people. Stopping one person, in the big picture, really is meaningless. Do you think those who can’t buy guns legally don’t buy guns?

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marty November 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Here is another source of overlooked, mismanaged revenue:
Housing crisis.

Anyone heard of MERS?

MERS is an electronic registration system. It CANNOT by law OWN property, however, a large number of soon to be foreclosed homes in South Carolina are currently being held by MERS and no tax recording has been done on any of these properties in this state in oh say the past ten years or so.

Revenue.

Guns, homes, whatever.

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Lance Riprock November 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm

So many gun owners are immature (and young) people with chips on their shoulders and trousers south of the bootie. Scary ’cause these kids don’t know who needs killing and who don’t.

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lance November 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Question: Isn’t it the law that Congress must submit a balanced budget every year?

Can I sue Congress and the President for dereliction of duty?

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The Answer Man November 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

No.

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distantobserver November 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Is a tax maybe an infringement to ownership?

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Lance Riprock November 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Try not paying your real property tax and see how long you own your house.

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BIN News Editorial Staff November 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Our Funding Editor continues her request from sic(k) willie for some transparency about his gun ownership.

Since he has a conviction for CDV, the Lautenberg Amendment applies to sic(k) willie. Right, sic(k) willie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

So, sic(k) willie, do you still have a gun? What about that .22?

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fitsnews Author November 30, 2012 at 7:39 pm

BIN-

Why don’t you come find out if I have a gun?

;)

-W

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little rocky from arkansas November 30, 2012 at 9:40 pm

UH! OH!

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BigT December 1, 2012 at 6:18 am

Bravo, FITS…you’re growing a SET. Stand up to these Punk Liberals….

They stole an election, and they want to take our country…and mold into to the USSR…

Show them REAL Americans Don’t Play that…no matter what MSNBC and CNN tell these good-for-nothing dolts…

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shifty henry November 30, 2012 at 9:42 pm

…… perhaps someone will propose legalizing dueling again?

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shifty henry November 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Nah – disregard previous post.

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john public November 30, 2012 at 10:18 pm

bin is a pansy ass,do you believe people convicted of domestic violence cant carry guns,you are way off base,the 2nd amendment says and always will say kick in my my door and leave on your back,i will be tried by 12 than carried by six,pussy ass!

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Judy Chop November 30, 2012 at 10:39 pm

John Public when you buy a firearm it asks right there on the application if you have ever been convicted of CDV. Of course you can lie about it and falsify the information and take a chance. The penalties are stiff. Or you can have someone else buy the firearm for you which is called a “straw purchase” and the penalties are even stiffer.

Of course being a dumb ass none of this applies to you. Life is tough and its even tougher when you are stupid, John Public.

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john public November 30, 2012 at 11:12 pm

no you are the dumb ass,missing the whole point of the article,fucking idiot,probly one of those who scream domestic violence to get them arrested…untill paidday,bitch,can you read

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Judy Chop December 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm

I read better than you type.

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Frank Pytel December 3, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Yes, but he clearly has a better understanding of the constitution than you, Judy.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Sam December 1, 2012 at 6:06 am

Don’t pay, they will get their money. Through income tax lien or other wage garnishment. You owe the tax. Pay up.

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Freddy Little December 1, 2012 at 6:12 am

The point of the article is that SCDOR is incompetent by not following up on a formal complaint and the state is missing out on millions of dollars a year in tax revenue that we so desperately need. This has nothing to do with gun ownership. Idiots.

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BigT December 1, 2012 at 6:15 am

More guns…and TAX free…Good…I Totally agree w/ FITS…

If Obama Collapses the economy (and the GOP Congress should allow that) Let Obama OWN his Incompetence….Guns will be Very needed to people who have worked, and have something to defend…

Obama is Bleeding wealth, trying to direct to his GREEDY, lazy Government…

When he has nothing to pay off the Thugs and Idiots who voted for him…You’ll need your gun and LOTS of Ammo…

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Common Sense December 1, 2012 at 10:32 am

Ahh the village idiot lives and breathes..i thought those years of telling everyone how they are all dumbasses and going to get their asses handed to them at the elections only to be proven the village idiot, our own little Sarah Palin all over again..time after time after time yo have proven what a clueless ignorant redneck asshole you are..glad to see you are keeping the tradition rolling Sarah. Every site needs an idiot who is ALWAYS wrong..and we got you.

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BigT December 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm

But I’m not an Anti-American, Obama-Worhiping BIGOT RACIST like you and the Stupid Pieces of $#!* who voted to keep the Hand-outs and Freebies coming, until it Collpases…

And I hope the F%^k you come trolling ’round my house when you good-for-nothing bums figure out Obama has nothing, except what he takes from us…and we have STOPPED propping up his lazy, ignorant ass..

You can vote Stupid in, if you are stupid…but the Earners can always figure out a way to kick your @$$ in the end..or we would not be where we are…

By the same token: The Beggars will have no plan when it runs out…and that’s why you are where you are…you’ll be SCREWED…and Obama will LHAO at your ignorance…

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Common Sense December 2, 2012 at 6:42 pm

still the village idiot..roflmao..and trying to sound threatening at the same time..precious…the little troll is gonna pop a cap in some ass..lol.

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EJB December 3, 2012 at 10:24 am

I worry that Obama has had a degenerative effect on our populace at large. He has so wantonly disregarded our laws and the constitution that even conservatives and/or libertarians think it is ok with the right justification. With all the negative things that have been happening in our national political arena I have been reading a lot on our founding, the Declaration, the Constitution, The Federalist Papers and several books on Abraham Lincoln. A quote from Lincoln I think appropriate to the present conversation, and I paraphrase, any law should be enforced even if it is a bad law. For if we ignore any law for an assumed good reason any law can be ignored, better to repeal a bad law than to ignore one.

Most, if not all firearms laws are bad and worthless, especially for their intended purpose. No law will ever keep a firearm from a criminal’s hands it can only keep it from a law abiding citizen’s hands. If the law is bad it should be repealed. To ignore a law is to bring contempt for all laws and then it isn’t that far really until we reach anarchy. I have heard some say that would be fine but it wouldn’t.

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Gun Rights Lobbyist December 4, 2012 at 12:01 pm

It is a bald-faced LIE to label these sales between private individuals as “unlicensed gun dealers” rather than what they factually are – private transactions between individuals who are not (and never pretended to be) “gun dealers.”

No “taxes” are owed to the SCDOR if I attend a fishing show & convention, and while there I sell my fishing rod to another fisherman who attends. That does not make me an “unlicensed sporting-goods dealer” I don’t care if I sell 5 or 10 of my private collection. It is my RIGHT to buy & sell anything I own to anyone I care to sell it to, and it is NONE of the government’s damn business to stick its nose into that transaction.

This complainant is basically a whiner who cannot stand that there does exist a LEGAL secondary market for these completely lawful objects we call guns. So sad, too bad, tough noogies for him.

These are merely anti-gun zealots who are seeking to make certain NO ONE will ever be allowed to buy or sell a gun privately (ie NOT from a store) unless the damn government tracks it. The only reason to track such sales is so that all of them can be rounded up once a nazi-style universal gun ban can be enacted.

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Sammy December 10, 2012 at 4:04 am

You clearly don’t understand. This is not about private sales. This is dealers that buy at wholesale from distributors and resell to the public as a business but they are not reporting the sales or income and have no license. You sir are a complete and utter moron.

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