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Her name is Myra Crosby. You have known her up until this point as the “egg juror” – a.k.a. juror 785 – the woman controversially dismissed from convicted killer Alex Murdaugh‘s jury mere hours before a pair of guilty verdicts were entered against him.
As I reported from the courtroom on that fateful day last March, Crosby’s dismissal from the panel was “decisive.”
“Prior to the removal of a juror earlier in the day, sources familiar with the deliberations indicated Murdaugh’s trial would have likely ended in a hung jury,” I wrote at the time.
Instead, Murdaugh was unanimously found guilty of the savage murders of his wife, 52-year-old Maggie Murdaugh, and younger son, 22-year-old Paul Murdaugh, on June 7, 2021 at Moselle – the family’s 1,700-acre hunting property straddling the Salkehatchie River in the picturesque Palmetto Lowcountry.
The following day, Murdaugh was sentenced to life in prison without parole by S.C. circuit court judge Clifton Newman.
Those verdicts – and Murdaugh’s life sentences – are currently in jeopardy, however, as a result of jury tampering committed by former Colleton County clerk of court Becky Hill.
And perhaps others…
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Hill’s tampering was first detailed in a bombshell motion submitted on September 5, 2023 by Murdaugh’s attorneys, Dick Harpootlian, Jim Griffin, Phillip Barber and Maggie Fox. It was subsequently documented during an evidentiary hearing held on January 29, 2024 in Columbia, S.C.
The full extent of Hill’s tampering wasn’t revealed at the evidentiary hearing, however, due to several factors. Among them? The state’s controversial interest in maintaining her credibility as its “star witness,” the limited questioning of jurors allowed by former chief justice Jean Toal, and – perhaps most critically – the fact Toal refused to allow Crosby to give testimony regarding her experiences with Hill.
In an interview this week with our Jenn Wood, Crosby shared some of what she would have told the court – had she been allowed to speak.
“(Becky) came in the day that Alex was going to testify,” she said. “She came through the door and, I’ve said it over and over – she was very enthusiastic. She said, ‘today is going to be epic.’ She said Alex was going to take the stand. And she told us, ‘don’t be fooled by the defense, you’re going to hear a lot of things, pay very close attention to Alex, his body movements.’ And then she proceeded to tell us that this was the trial of the century, and we were all going to be famous.”
Crosby said the comments – which have been corroborated by others on the panel – left her “dumbfounded.”
“Did she really just say that? Did she just tell us that?” she recalled. “You know, you just told us that everything they say is going to be a lie. You know, do I believe you? Do I believe the court? Do I believe the defense? I mean… I just, I was kind of dumbfounded.”
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In addition to Crosby, at least three jurors testified hearing the former clerk make comments to them about the merits of the proceedings – including one, Mandy Pearce, who stated definitively that Hill’s comments influenced her decision to find Murdaugh guilty.
Pearce made it abundantly clear in an affidavit (.pdf) that she “felt influenced to find Mr. Murdaugh guilty by reason of Ms. Hill’s remarks, before I entered the jury room.”
That’s a critical distinction because it indicates a bias had been planted in her mind prior to deliberations…
In any other courtroom, that would have been game, set, match. Murdaugh would have been granted a new trial on the spot (even by the lofty standard established by Toal at the outset of the hearing). And make no mistake: If he doesn’t get one from the S.C. supreme court, the U.S. fourth circuit court of appeals is all but assured of granting him one based on its interpretation of a key federal case involving far less egregious tampering.
As I noted at the time, though, Toal’s evidentiary hearing “was not a search for the truth, it was the ceremonial validation of a pre-ordained answer.”
“It was not a finding of fact, but the institutional insulation of a specific outcome,” I added. “It was not about weighing evidence and thoughtfully considering testimony, it was about protecting a verdict.”
In the months since that hearing, the integrity of the Murdaugh verdicts has continued to erode – and public support for Murdaugh receiving a new trial has continued to climb.
Pearce told Fox Nation this week she “still had questions” about Murdaugh’s guilt, and that she believed investigators “already had in their minds that he was guilty” and “didn’t try to look for anyone else.”
While I do not share Pearce’s skepticism related to Murdaugh’s guilt (I believe he did it), that doesn’t change the fact that the jury which decided his fate was tampered with – meaning his Sixth Amendment right to be judged by an impartial jury was violated.
Was Hill the only one who tampered with the Murdaugh jury, though?
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Unfortunately, this part of the mystery remains shrouded to some extent owing to the fact court records related to it remain under seal. Murdaugh’s attorneys have consented to these files being publicly released. So has Crosby’s lawyer, Joe McCulloch of Columbia, S.C.
The lone holdout? The office of S.C. attorney general Alan Wilson, which was the agency responsible for prosecuting Murdaugh. According to Wilson’s office, the files must remain sealed due to unspecified “ongoing matters.”
In her new book, Enough is Enough, Crosby claimed investigators from the S.C. State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) – and prosecutors in Wilson’s office – lied about her during the court’s “investigation” of her alleged violation of her oath. According to the erstwhile “egg juror” – whose desire to keep possession of a dozen eggs she brought with her to court earned her that nickname – investigators and prosecutors “lied to not only remove me from the jury but to keep me from ever talking to a judge about the widespread tampering” associated with the Murdaugh verdicts.
How did it all go down?
On February 27, 2023 – three days before the verdicts – a co-worker of one of Crosby’s tenants emailed the court. In that message, the woman claimed the tenant told her that her landlord was a juror in the Murdaugh case – and that she had expressed an opinion about the trial while delivering a refrigerator to the property more than a week earlier.
The email added that the juror worked “at the monkey farm,” a reference to Crosby’s place of employment.
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“I did deliver a fridge,” Crosby told Wood. “And it’s funny because her and I talked about Domino’s Pizza, because she knew that the court had just had Domino’s Pizza, because I don’t know if she delivered them or (if) she was there. She was talking about how much the court just paid for the pizza, and that was kind of the extent of our conversation, other than, you know, we both had different jobs now.”
That statement is consistent with Crosby’s affidavit (.pdf) filed last September.
The tenants on Crosby’s property were Clifford Dandridge and Deborah Webb. Webb is an employee of Domino’s Pizza and the juror stated that whomever sent this email was a co-worker of Webb’s from Domino’s.
In her book, Crosby identified the person who sent the email to the court as Christine Avery, “a friend of Becky Hill and the same Domino’s Pizza worker who supplied our jury with lunch.”
According to Crosby, Avery posted a message last October in an online forum run by Lunashark – the company responsible for the ‘Murdaugh Murders’ podcast – admitting as much.
“I am the one who emailed Judge Newmam (sic) about the ‘egg juror’ talking,” Avery wrote, according to a screenshot obtained by Crosby, which she included in her book. “Then Dick (Harpootlian) called me after trail (sic) to meet. I recorded without him knowing. Thankfully, I did. It’s helping Becky! Between Lunashark and Mark Tinsley guiding me.”
Wait… Mark Tinsley “guided her?”
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Mark Tinsley, of course, is one of the trial lawyers who played a starring role in the Murdaugh saga. He was a key witness for the prosecution – and his lawsuit against Murdaugh in connection with his late son Paul’s February 2019 boat crash is believed by many to have precipitated the unraveling of the infamous Lowcountry dynasty.
Heralded as a “white knight” in this saga, Tinsley’s role has come under scrutiny of late in connection with an adjacent legal drama tied to the boat crash. Mere days after we began reporting on those issues, he participated in a legal action against our media outlet on an ostensibly unrelated matter.
According to Crosby, “the tangled web you’ll see is all of them together in some fashion, striving for one goal at any cost, get a guilty verdict on Murdaugh by removing me, the lone holdout who wouldn’t talk or tell which way I was leaning.”
Why, though?
“I think a lot of people have overloaded their emotional hatred for Alex, and they let that lead them,” Crosby told Wood. “I didn’t know Alex before the trial. I don’t know Alex now, all I know is what happened during the trial. Do I have mixed feelings on you know, what was said? Like I said, I don’t believe he’s a good person. I think he lied, but unfortunately, the state did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed murder, right? And I think that everybody deserves a fair trial, and just because you hate somebody for being a thief or a liar, it doesn’t take away their Sixth Amendment right. Everybody should have a right to a fair trial.”
Was Tinsley “overloaded” with “emotional hatred” for Murdaugh?
In author Valerie Bauerlein‘s new book about the Murdaugh saga, The Devil At His Elbow, several interesting – and potentially illuminated – passages related to Tinsley are included.
“In the nights leading up to (Murdaugh)’s testimony, Tinsley tossed and turned,” Bauerlein wrote. “The case was inescapably personal to him.”
“He was afraid he was too close to the trial to see it clearly,” Bauerlein continued. “He started checking an online poll predicting the outcome. He was alarmed by how many online polls predicted a hung jury, or worse, a verdict of ‘not guilty.'”
In another section of her book, Bauerlein discussed how Tinsley repeatedly “chided” and “prodded” prosecutors during the trial – including “passing notes with pointed questions up to the prosecution table” and texting lead prosecutor Creighton Waters about which “points” he should “push” in his examination of Murdaugh.
Is it unreasonable for Crosby to assume he and his allies might have decided to take things a step further?
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“It’s possible Tinsley was so stuck on prodding Waters because it was easier than accepting that the case was out of his hands,” Bauerlein wrote. “He’d done all he could do in the four years since the boat wreck and four hours on the witness stand. All he could do now was watch and wait.”
Had he done all he could, though? Was the case really out of his hands? And, most importantly, did he just “watch and wait?”
Bauerlein’s book contained another interesting reference to Tinsley – one associated with the guilty pleas Murdaugh entered last fall on the myriad of state financial crimes he confessed to committing. According to her account, the Allendale attorney – who addressed the court at Murdaugh’s sentencing hearing on November 28, 2023 – did not “share all of his thoughts with the judge” about the fate Murdaugh should face.
“Ever the hunter, he believed Alex should be put down,” Bauerlein wrote. “Tinsley would have been glad to do it himself. He’d already picked out the bullet. It was a .22, which rolls around inside the skull inflicting maximum damage. It costs three cents, worthless just like Alex.”
In Crosby’s book, she noted that a credible investigation into Hill’s jury tampering – not one run by the agency which investigated the murders and the attorneys who prosecuted it – would examine “cell records and email records” from Tinsley and others invested in the outcome of the case.
According to Murdaugh’s attorneys, Hill’s tampering “included conspiring to have (Crosby) removed from the panel.”
With whom did Hill conspire, though?
Sadly, the state doesn’t seem to care…
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In her sworn statement, Crosby said Dandridge and Webb both indicated to her that their affidavits had been prepared by the prosecution (specifically prosecutors David Fernandez and Don Zelenka) – and were not consistent with what they told law enforcement. According to them, agents of the S.C. State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) arrived at their home at 10:00 p.m. EST after they were asleep, removed them from the residence and put them in separate vehicles – at which point they began interrogating them.
According to Crosby, Dandridge told SLED she had not said anything regarding Murdaugh’s guilt or innocence. SLED agents allegedly returned thirty minutes later with subpoenas requiring Dandridge and Webb to appear in court the following day.
Pursuant to the subpoenas, two appeared in court at 9:00 a.m. EST the next day (March 1, 2023). According to Crosby’s affidavit, they were held there for nine hours – at which point SLED agents appeared with typed affidavits purporting to be their statements from the prior night. They were told to sign the statements and did so – without reading them, allegedly.
“To this day they will tell you or anyone, I never spoke to them about the case or Murdaugh’s guilt or innocence,” Crosby wrote in her book. “I will go under oath, and so will my husband and both tenants. This was an orchestrated effort to have me and my undecided vote removed for a guilty vote. (Avery)’s Becky’s friend and in my opinion she was put up and instructed on what and how to send this anonymous email.”
Even if Crosby’s tenants had accused her of violating her oath – which she claimed they never did – was any proof of the alleged violation ever produced beyond the statements attributed to them?
“This was a pure inside hit job,” Crosby claimed in her book.
“It pisses me off that they can lie so easily,” she continued. “The state of South Carolina does not want Alex Murdaugh to have a fair trial, they want to keep their dirty, rigged guilty verdict intact. It is abhorrent to me that the attorney general of the state of South Carolina would do and say anything to keep their rigged verdict, a rigged verdict that in my opinion was handed to them on a silver platter by (Hill), who never should have been speaking to us the jury about the trial in the first place.”
Ultimately, the question of who conspired to remove Crosby from the jury has no bearing on whether Murdaugh will receive a new trial. By virtue of Hill’s conduct, the die is cast on that count. But uncovering the truth about how she was removed is vitally important… especially seeing as she is implicating prosecutors and investigators in the alleged conspiracy.
Count on this media outlet to continue digging on that critical question…
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ABOUT THE AUTHOR …
Will Folks is the owner and founding editor of FITSNews. Prior to founding his own news outlet, he served as press secretary to the governor of South Carolina, bass guitarist in an alternative rock band and bouncer at a Columbia, S.C. dive bar. He lives in the Midlands region of the state with his wife and eight children.
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I hope he gets another trial outside of Hampton County.
Any leads on the “real killers”?
“I did deliver a fridge,” Crosby told Wood. “And it’s funny because her and I talked about Domino’s Pizza, because she knew that the court had just had Domino’s Pizza, because I don’t know if she delivered them or (if) she was there. She was talking about how much the court just paid for the pizza, and that was kind of the extent of our conversation, other than, you know, we both had different jobs now.”
Why would Myra’s tenant even bring that up to her? What would she even have any reason to be telling Myra anything about pizza being delivered to the courthouse? And what Myra says afterwards is pretty enlightening..She says “so she felt a necessary to send an email because I had an opinion” That right there tells me she did in fact talk to her tenants about the trial. Ridiculous!
It’s amazing what “memories” will come up after the events are all over and it looks like opinion is swaying this way or that…
I think that Ms. Crosby has “selective” memory. I wasn’t impressed with her in the interview with Jenn. I have never stopped listening to Jenn’s interviews until this one. I couldn’t take listening to Ms. Crosby. I didn’t find her believable.
Retrial or not, Murdaugh’s still guilty. There’s Paul’s timestamped Snapchat video that places him at the crime scene, the cell tower pings from his cellphone, the telemetry from the OnStar data in his Chevy Suburban.
PMPED’s CFO uncovered Murdaugh’s embezzlement. The wrongful death lawsuit of Mallory Beach would show that Murdaugh’s wealth was really a house of cards. The confrontation with the CFO pushed Murdaugh over the edge.
Why is this so hard for ppl to figure out? It’s really not that hard..Are you guys going to interview Mandy? The email from Avery and the email Echols answer the questions!!
First, how would Valerie Bauerlein know that Mark Tinsley “tossed and turned” “in the nights leading up to Murdaugh’s testimony” unless Valerie was lying (grammatically incorrect people would write “laying” but you “lie in bed” in the present tense and “lay in bed” in the past tense) in bed next to Mark Tinsley throughout those “nights”?
Second, why is no one autre que moi bothered by the self-admitted, nay self-bragged, violations of a cardinal rule of legal ethics: a lawyer involves in civil litigation should not participate in criminal proceedings that could give that lawyer advantage in the civil litigation? Yet, Mark Tinsley and Ever-Bluffing Eric Bland (“EBEB”) are falling over themselves and each other to claim credit for Richard Alexander Murdaugh’s (“RAM”) two-murder convictions. EBEB and Tinsley PUBLICLY brag about having “strategized with the Prosecution” for two hours every morning of RAM’s trial and “passing notes prodding [the Prosecution] about points,” respectively.
Third, about those guns: No one other than EBEB and Tinsley ever suggested IN THE TRIAL that the real killers went to the scene looking for guns. In my opinion free from false humility, the real killers went equipped with Paul’s stolen guns. Think of it! The $4K gun Paul received for Christmas 2016 and was stolen from him at a Halloween party in 2017 could not have dissolved into thin air but was most likely retained or sold by the thief. In a small community like that, people do not talk to incriminate themselves. They only talk to falsely incriminate others and let the rumors take a life of their own as they did to Buster in relationship to Stephen Smith’s death (by suicide in my opinion free from false humility) which was, God forbade, almost pinned on the hapless Buster.
Again, everybody please remember Jesus Christ’s saying that the love of money is the root of all evils.
Perhaps the same hand who composed the email for CN Avery was the same who stuffed “thousands of dollars” in another juror’s pocket.
As concerning as Myra Crosby’s improper removal from the jury, if not more concerning, is the retention on the jury of the man who, according to Becky Hill’s own book, received “thousands of dollars” to stay on the jury instead returning to work to earn his keep and pay “his baby mama” the child support on which he was in arrears and at risk of contempt of court.
Becky Hill wrote that juror disclosed that to her on their expense-paid luxury flight to New York the day after the guilty verdict.
When will anyone seriously look into that and tell us where those “thousands of dollars” came from AND why?
I’ve been writing about that since I read it a year ago in Becky Hill’s book; but it is as if I were talking to a wall or walls.
Mais j’accuse! Oui, j’accuse.
Thank God, I just posted (and FITS let through) comments elsewhere on the history of David Fernandez. They are too long to repost here; but please look for them under “Who Targeted [the egg juror].”
Below is how my most recent series of comments ends.
Further evidence against then-CACA-Fernandez:
On 3 March 2010, only two business days after I had, thank God and WITHOUT A LAWYER, defeated Hatchet-for-Hire Heather’s evil plan to get me convicted for harassment and sentenced to 46 years, yes forty-six because of weird statutory enhancements, I appeared before then-Columbia-Municipal-Judge, now-Federal-Appeals-Judge DeAndrea Benjamin, demanding dismissal of the other false charges CACA-Fernandez and Hatchet-for-Hire Heather had concocted against me (in case that harassment thing failed as, thank God, it did). Jurist Benjamin ORDERED then-CACA-Fernandez to give me discovery in 30 days.
After 30 days and no word from then-CACA-Fernandez, I wrote to Fernandez. He responded that no hearing had taken place except in my hallucinations. When I emailed him the written transcript of that hearing, he filed for an order to prevent me from communicating with him or be held in contempt of court.
This is THE David Fernandez presented aa a genius prosecutor.
He could get his way with one as rich as Richard Alexander Murdaugh (“RAM”) or someone as smart and innocent and, in Judge Clifton Newman’s TRANSCRIBED words “most pleasant and gracious” as Dr. Marie Faltas.
Every one should care, if not for RAM or for Dr. Faltas, but for themselves who may, God forbid, find their own FIGURATIVE necks under Heather’s hatchet with David Fernandez foot on the victim’s shoulder.
Every one should care because Jesus Christ said, “I was a prisoner and you did not visit me.”
Correction: My lengthier comments about David Fernandez (supported as usual by quotations from OFFICIAL court transcripts) are under the thread of “The State’s Bizarre [pretext for keeping the records sealed].”
And for the interested readers’ convenience, here is a copy of my latest post on “The State’s Bizarre [pretext for keeping the records sealed]”:
Now, again God willing and FITS permitting, and NOT in defense of Becky Hill, I want to show that South Carolina’s criminal [so-called] “justice” system is set up to make the things Becky Hill and David Fernandez did to Richard Alexander Murdaugh (“RAM”) and to Myra Catherine Crosby (“MCC”); and the things Hatchet-for-Hire Heather and David Fernandez and Marion Oneida Hanna, among others, possible. The system not only enables robes gone rogue and prosecutors gone pits; it rewards them.
I previously documented two different assistant-solicitors who texted sitting jurors.
So, Marion Oneida Hanna is apparently a bastard in the Black’s Law Dictionary LEGAL definition of the word. Mr. Hanna’s obituary refers to Marion’s mother as the surviving “mother of his children,” not his wife or ex-wife. And that diminutive woman who birthed Marion also birthed out of wedlock with a man different from Marion’s biological father a hulk of a son who was apparently adopted, de-adopted, then re-adopted.
That known “bastard” in the LEGAL dictionary meaning, grew up have the screen name of “Bo Hopkins” and acquire some fame as Matthew Blasdell in the 1980s “Dynasty.”
The ever-jealous Marion fancied herself an actress, too, and filled her City of Columbia courtroom with florid theatrics.
Marion also fancied herself a beauty queen, a psychiatrist, an interior decorator, a painter, a charmer, AND an author.
On City time, Marion wrote, shopped, then self-published two books with essentially the same basic plot. The incomparable Marion-inspired heroine has super powers and ends up with a puppy-dog husband whom the heroine hates, outwits, and at the end either subjugates or kills.
The first book is “You Can’t Get There From Here,” which has a plot taken almost verbatim from the now-century-old suspicion/story that the Founding Murdaugh intentionally parked his car across the railroad in the path of an oncoming train to make it look like the train’s fault and sue the company for a huge settlement. In Marion’s version, her grandfather committed suicide that way because he had raped and impregnated the Marion-inspired figure and she almost died after obtaining an illegal abortion before which the Ob-Gyn raped the Marion-inspired figure, too, because it was a free one.
Adding to the shlock, the Marion-inspired figure’s brother is South Carolina’s or Georgia’s Clark Gable and Arnold Scharzenegger rolled into one. As a teenager, he rescues a whole bus full of students, gets rewarded with a scholarship to The Citadel in which he accumulates embarrassing stories about his colleagues; and, when the time comes to run for judge, he uses those stories to push out his rivals.
Rumors and jokes have it that Marion Oneida Hanna got appointed Columbia Municipal Judge because she “had pictures on somebody.” She certainly had not talent or merit for such, or any, public position of trust.
And the third element is a rival lady (in the first novel, the Marion-inspired figure’s grandmother; in real life, Marion’s mother-in-law) who ends up locked up in an insane asylum.
In the second novel, The Road to Mendocino, the Marion-inspired heroine’s rival is a beautiful young lawyer, daughter of a judge and law clerk to another judge, who also ends locked up in an insane asylum after being shot in the hand by the Marion-inspired heroine.
The plagiarism of Marion Oneida Hanna’s second novel is from Truman Capote’s “Unanswered Prayers” which consists of three novellas, in one of which a beautiful but poor wife is surreptitiously given abortifacient herbs by an insanely jealous rich husband who thinks the pregnancy’s father is a black or Arab man.
So, basically, talentless women without integrity climb the public employment ladder with a mix of sugariness some time, acquiring powerful people’s secrets other times, and outright violence as a final solution. When almost caught, that opportunist finds a despised person and beats up on him/her.
The opportunist’s name may be Rebecca Marie Hill or Marion Oneida Hanna or David Amadeo Fernandez, or any one else involved in framing RAM or trying to frame Dr. Marie Faltas. But the system needs a more thorough look NOW than it ever had before because it is no longer sustainable.
Who let the dogs out? Who rides the horses? And who created Hurricane Helene and made it hit Appalachian North Carolina?
According to Andy Fancher, it might be the deep state. If so, here is my response to him just in case Google censors it:
I had missed the beginning of this live. Does Andy Fancher SERIOUSLY suggest the U.S. Government diverted Hurricane Helene towards a lithium-mining town in Appalachian North Carolina to punish some residents for resisting lithium mining?
I hope I get a straight answer to this question; and until I do, I will NOT comment on Andy, whom I had grown to respect.
I will, though, site one example of “stinking thinking” which keeps popping up every time more evidence of Becky Hill’s tampering with the Murdaugh jury is revealed.
The stinking thinking has it that Becky Hill was paid off by the Murdaughs to tamper with the jury so that Alex can get a new trial after the guilty verdict.
I don’t know that I can single-handedly stop the renewed waves of stinking thinking; but I hope there is truth to the hope that mightier than armies is an idea whose time has come.
And here is my mighty answer: If Becky was paid off BY ALEX to tamper with his jury, why would she not have directed the jury towards a not-guilty verdict and been done with it?
So, Andy Fancher, my dear REASONABLE Andy Fancher, would the money and power needed to (create and?) divert a whole Hurricane Helene towards a tiny mountain town not been more than enough to pay off the residents of that town to abandon it to the lithium mining company or whatever entity wanted that town?
Really, Andy. Either you take your investigative work seriously OR all you did so far was to build enough credibility to sell this story of a government-manufactured hurricane, a Category-4 at that. Cloud-seeding, yes. That has been known and established. But to manufacture a hurricane is to LITERALLY insist that moles can build mountains if they can build mole hills.
Please see recent comments of mine related to judicial elections but posted under “The State’s Bizarre [pretext for keeping the egg juror’s records sealed].”
After all, it’s all related to judicial transparency, it is not?
And it’s all related to stinking-thinking prevention. So here is my reply to a commenter on Jen Wood’s interview with one of Brandon Barnes’ baby mamas:
@cls6055, first, I am NOT a “dude.” I am a female DOCTOR. So, please address me as such.
Second, while your comment entirely misses my point, it paradoxically confirms it.
Former African American Republican Congressman and retired football player Watts (if I am remembering the name correctly) said his grandmother had wisely advised him, “You can’t get into a bar fight if you don’t go to a bar.”
You can’t meet a narcissist manipulator on-line if you don’t go on-line looking for relationships in the first place.
And even if you do, and get one pregnancy by that on-line manipulator, why did you go back for a second pregnancy and a second child?
My answer is, again, because you accepted THE CULTURE that you will be laughed at unless there is a man in your life/in your bed.
I recently had the courage and self-respect to unfriend people I had known and cherished since the beginning of medical school 50 years ago.
I did that with pain and pride, not only because I discovered they were obstinately against normalization, but because I discovered (after those 50 years) that they had never even noticed my absolute pacificism. I still have anti-normalization friends; BUT they are open to my pacificist pro-normalization views.
Someone who has no use for you unless you do EXACTLY what they want is someone you should not return to UNLESS you change them.
What happens now to the innocent children who will grow up being told that their father is a monster and their mother is/was an idiot to bring them to the world in the first place?
Thinks about that instead of focusing on insulting me.
God bless nonetheless.