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Dylann Roof To Face Federal Hate Crimes

“HOLY CITY MASSACRE” SUSPECT HIT WITH ADDITIONAL CHARGES || By FITSNEWS || Twenty-one-year-old white supremacist Dylann Storm Roof will face federal “hate crime” charges in connection with last month’s “Holy City Massacre,” the savage, premeditated murder of nine black parishioners at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C. Roof is…

“HOLY CITY MASSACRE” SUSPECT HIT WITH ADDITIONAL CHARGES

|| By FITSNEWS || Twenty-one-year-old white supremacist Dylann Storm Roof will face federal “hate crime” charges in connection with last month’s “Holy City Massacre,” the savage, premeditated murder of nine black parishioners at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C.

Roof is already facing nine counts of murder and one weapons charge at the state level in connection with the massacre.

Now he will face a federal indictment because U.S. Department of Justice (USDOJ) officials don’t think those charges are sufficient to address the racial component of Roof’s attack.

Let us speak bluntly: We do not support these new federal charges.  In fact this website has consistently opposed the notion of “hate crimes.”

Crime is crime.  Murder is murder.  And yes … hate is hate.  And the last time we checked, some level of hate was necessary for the commission of any crime … especially a crime which involves taking the life of another human being.

Roof has confessed to these savage murders.  He’s also acknowledged his racist motive in committing them.  He’s been captured on video entering (and presumably leaving) the church at the time of the attack.  Also, survivors from the attack will no doubt positively identify him as the perpetrator of the crime.

In other words, this is an open and shut case.  And when it’s all said and done, Roof is likely to receive the death penalty for committing this crime … as he should.

What else is there?

Do we really need to add some politically correct “teachable moment” to this narrative?  And do we really need or want the federal government imposing its authority/ wasting our resources to pursue this “teachable moment?”

It may be politically incorrect to say this, but we believe the answer is an unambiguous, unequivocal “No.”

Also … where’s the consistency?

Why was this not a hate crime?  Or this?

Do one set of lives matter more than another?

The whole thing is ridiculous …

Still, according to The New York Times, “Justice Department and F.B.I. officials have said the Charleston shooting was so horrific and racially motivated that the federal government must address it.”

Well, well.

Specifically, the paper says USDOJ officials “believe that a murder case alone would leave the racial component of the crime unaddressed.”

Jeez …

News flash: Justice is being served in this case.  There is no need for the PC police to get involved.  In fact the federal government forcing itself into Roof’s prosecution is the very definition of duplicative government.  Of unnecessary government.  Of tyrannical government.

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42 comments

Pisgah July 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm

Hate laws are stupid and capricious… do the Feds ever push these charges in the Hunnewell, Steinle, and Chattanooga cases? Of course not, these charge are just more anti-white political BS. I mean isn’t Roof already going to get the death penalty? So, what’s the point?

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erneba July 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm

A simple indictment for nine murders in the first degree and going for the death penalty should fulfill the need for justice.
A simple murder charge should get him fried. A “hate crime” charge, does that get him deep fried?

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Paul Harvey July 22, 2015 at 2:52 pm

“We do not support these charges. In fact this website has consistently opposed the very notion of “hate crimes.””

“But, we will point out over and over again ad nauseum that the crime was a horrific, racially motivated one.”

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Drunk July 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm

Drink.

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erneba July 22, 2015 at 3:12 pm

If the verdict is for death, will we hear the usual group on the left that opposes the death penalty? I am thinking they will remain silent. I am all for frying him, but I don’t think anti-death penalty group will be heard.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 22, 2015 at 8:27 pm

If the verdict is for death, will we hear the usual group on the left that opposes the death penalty? I am thinking they will remain silent. I am all for frying him, but I don’t think anti-death penalty group will be heard.

You understand leftists well, Kimosabe.

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euwe max July 24, 2015 at 1:54 am

You understand leftists well, Kimosabe. To them, thought crimes are the worst kinds of crime.
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I don’t know which leftists you’ve been hanging out with, but I’m a liberal – have been one all my life… I’d say that puts me on “the left,” wouldn’t you say?

Other than the pearl-clutching church biddies (who are hardly liberal), I’ve never heard of anyone matching that description on the left.

The whole idea of “hate crime” is based on the hope we can hang a few racist conservatives before people figure out that all it does is encourage liberal juries to give assholes a stiffer sentence than the guy who walks in on his wife giving the postman a blowjob and shoots both of them…. because he never got one himself!

Hate might be a thought crime, and it may be a good idea to fuck over assholes “to send a message,” but I don’t think it sets a good precedent – mainly because asshole conservatives want to use it to prosecute us liberals for these:

Marijuana and LSD were thought crimes.

Underground newspapers and music were thought crimes.

Elvis was a thought crime.

Whistling at a white woman was a thought crime.

Communism and socialism are thought crimes.

Atheism is a thought crime.

Figuring out Bush was an idiot was a thought crime.

And those criminals are all “left” of the guys with the bad attitudes, who want us all to go to war, and shut up is why.

Krazy Kat July 22, 2015 at 3:23 pm

Maybe they’ll sentence him to DOUBLE DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Victorious Secret July 22, 2015 at 4:01 pm

Nine would be a more appropriate number. So I guess it would be a nonuple death. (Admittedly, I had to research “nonuple”)

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Buthow July 23, 2015 at 2:27 am Reply
Jackie Chiles July 23, 2015 at 10:39 am

Having both the state and federal government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the same thing will totally make Roof be extra punished when he’s det.

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 12:49 pm

The federal prosecution is not duplicating the state prosecution.

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Jackie Chiles July 23, 2015 at 10:41 pm

The result will be the same though.

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this is only a question July 22, 2015 at 3:25 pm

They may need to back those charges off. I think he could plead guilty to the hate crime charges, which I am not too proficient in the maximum punishment he can get for those, but I am sure it would not be death. The problem is he then he could technically plead not guilty, and win, by basis of violation of his constitutional rights of “Double Jeopardy” on the murder charges, and get off on them completely. He can be charged for the same offense twice and that is kind of what that does. I have seen it actually play out and charges dropped (now on much lighter charges, but I would think it is the same.
Again I am not a lawyer so could one please answer me on that. In no way am I starting a debate, or siding with this murderer. I wasn’t to see him get the death penalty but if I a correct it looks like the USDOJ just made sure he wont. Please tell me I am wrong (if you know the law)

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Victorious Secret July 22, 2015 at 3:32 pm

“Again I am not a lawyer.”

Indeed. I’ll give you the quick answer. The constitutional prohibition against double jeopardy does not apply to trials by separate sovereigns. Thus, a person may be tried for the exact same conduct by both the state and federal governments or by two states, but not by a state and its municipalities.

On a separate note, double jeopardy also does not apply when between two charges, each crime requires proof of an additional element that the other crime does not. Furthermore, even if two crimes constitute the same offense, multiple punishments are permissible if there was a legislative intent to have cumulative punishments.

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this is just a question July 22, 2015 at 3:39 pm

OK so the hate crime is federal and the murder will be state so I see but to the rest of that, I beat a DUI in high school because the cop wrote me a possession by a minor and my lawyer got me off the DUI pleading guilty to the possession charge and claiming double jeopardy on the DUI after it was accepted as a guilty. The DUI was then thrown out. Don’t know what that says about the legislative intent to have cumulative punishments. Honestly I have no clue what that means. it was just something that worried me that this POS might get off by a technicality (yes I know I did too and for a lesser crime).

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Victorious Secret July 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm

Correct. That is another facet of “Double Jeopardy,” but certainly inapplicable to Roof (why I ignored it during the prior response).

Attachment of jeopardy for a greater offense bars retrial for lesser included offenses. As a corollary, attachment of jeopardy for a lesser included offense bars retrial for a greater offense. To apply this to Roof, purely hypothetically, if he were to be found guilty of manslaughter (lesser charge than murder) and then the conviction is overturned on a procedural matter, the state would then try his case again. However, the state may not charge him the second time at a higher offense (i.e. murder) and would be forced to try him on the manslaughter charge.

Since we might as well go “belt and suspenders” on the answer, there is also an exception to the “lesser included offenses” category. Under this exception, double jeopardy does not occur if the unlawful conduct that is subsequently used to prove the greater offense (i) has not occurred at the time of prosecution for the lesser offense, or (ii) has not been discovered despite due diligence on the part of the state. As an example, if the Chattanooga shooter had placed someone in a coma, then they cannot be charged with murder, with respect to that particular victim. However, if afterwards, the victim dies, then the state may properly charge the higher offense.

On a final note, the double jeopardy clause does not apply to a subsequent civil suit. Rather, it only applies to repetitive criminal prosecutions. Thus, if Roof is found guilty of murder, (if he were worth anything) the families could bring wrongful death or survivalist actions and their claims would not be barred based on the prior conviction.

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Speak D Truth July 22, 2015 at 4:00 pm

That just means that the judge was an idiot or was friends with your attorney.

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.08 July 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm

No it just means his or her attorney knows more than you. Sucks a drunk got off of a DUI but kudos to your attorney

TontoBubbaGoldstein July 22, 2015 at 8:35 pm

That just means that the judge was an idiot or was friends with your attorney.

….or got PAAAAAAID, Jack.
Quite possibly, all three.

this is just a question July 22, 2015 at 3:40 pm

also meant to say thanks for the reply

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this is just a question July 22, 2015 at 3:32 pm

sorry I meant He can not be charged for the same offense twice

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Speak D Truth July 22, 2015 at 3:38 pm

No, double Jeopardy with these charges and the State charges. OJ case established that.

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this is just a question July 22, 2015 at 3:39 pm

thank you

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Victorious Secret July 22, 2015 at 3:59 pm

Not wanting to sound like a dick . . . technically, the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution established the “double jeopardy clause.” The OJ case may have helped highlight its existence to many.

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Speak D Truth July 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm

I actually didn’t mean OJ. I meant Rodney King. That was where the USDOJ brought federal civil rights charges after they were found not guilty on state charges.

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 12:58 pm

The death penalty is available under the federal statutes and likely to be sought.

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barney Fife July 22, 2015 at 3:28 pm

I’m pretty sure if you kill somebody you don’t care for them much. I agree murder is a hate crime.

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Speak D Truth July 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

Feel good Politics. Roof will get tried and convicted on State Charges in short order. He will get the death penalty. This isn’t liberal Los Angeles that had to invent a reason to acquit OJ Simpson. This is conservative SC where he will be convicted and justice will be done.

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 12:55 pm

If Roof is convicted of killing black victims and sentenced to death, it will be the first time that has happened to a white person in South Carolina. S.C. was founded in 1663.

This blog entry is completely fact free.

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Speak D Truth July 23, 2015 at 12:58 pm

I will like to see your sources

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 1:03 pm

Do your homework, lazybones. Confirm when the state was founded. Google death penalty databases and check for race of perp and victim in S.C.

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Speak D Truth July 23, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Richard Charles Johnson W/M executed in 2002 for killing B/M Bruce Smalls. I have debunked your lie in less than 15 minutes. Check your unreliable source.

Speak D Truth July 23, 2015 at 1:38 pm

Another thing for you to ponder:
The good non-racist people in SC will convict Roof and sentence him to death because of his reprehensible actions.
The racist blacks (not all blacks are racist) will convict Roof and sentence him to death because he is white.
The racist whites (not all whites are racist) will convict Roof and sentence him to death because he is responsible for the flag being removed (not all flag supporters are racists or are they all white)
His own sister might even vote for death since he ruined her wedding (OK, That one might be a stretch but it’s funny).

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Tazmaniac July 22, 2015 at 3:42 pm

Ok Leftists, who will die first, the Fort Hood killer or Emanuel killer? How long did it take for Timothy McVeigh after his conviction. I haven’t checked this year, but the Government was still giving Hasan a paycheck last I had heard, but the soldiers he wounded received crap for the “workplace violence”.

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Speak D Truth July 22, 2015 at 4:09 pm

It depends on whether or not the drug companies will ignore the liberals and start making the execution drugs again. I say if they don’t then we need to fire up “Old Sparky” again. They could hook him up in the courtroom and throw the switch as soon as the verdict is read.

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CorruptionInColumbia July 22, 2015 at 7:27 pm

I believe we had some good legislation along those lines proposed this year, along with reciprocity and Constitutional Carry. Sadly none of these saw the light of day because we were too busy passing redundant, feel-good, “domestic violence” legislation and other like crap.

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Bible Thumper July 22, 2015 at 4:33 pm

I don’t agree with the use of hate crimes charges in this case, because murder is more serious than the hate. But burning a cross in someone’s yard is more serious than littering or trespassing and should be prosecuted as a hate crime.

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Diffrent Diagnosis Same Script July 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm

I don’t care how they choose to say “death penalty” as long as he gets it.

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 12:57 pm

It Roof gets the death penalty it will be because of the federal prosecution.

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tomstickler July 22, 2015 at 7:16 pm

Maybe the DOJ is not confident that a South Carolina jury of twelve is guaranteed to return a guilty conviction for capital murder that would survive an appeal for prosecutorial misconduct.

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Sophlady July 23, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Two white murderers have received the death penalty for killing a black person in S.C., in 1880 and 1991. They had also killed multiple white victims. No white killer of only black victims has been sentenced to death in South Carolina. Ever.

The federal indictment is the only one that exposes Roof to the maximum penalty.

Both S.C. and Mississippi have refused t passes hate crimes statutes.

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