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Palmetto Pipeline: Cue Enviro Freakout …

|| By FITSNEWS || Texas-based energy infrastructure provider Kinder Morgan wants to build a 360-mile underground gasoline and diesel fuel pipeline from Jacksonville, Florida to Belton, S.C. as part of a proposed $1 billion facilities expansion. And yes … that sound you hear is the collective inhale of indignation from the…

|| By FITSNEWS || Texas-based energy infrastructure provider Kinder Morgan wants to build a 360-mile underground gasoline and diesel fuel pipeline from Jacksonville, Florida to Belton, S.C. as part of a proposed $1 billion facilities expansion.

And yes … that sound you hear is the collective inhale of indignation from the state’s environmental community (and their apologists in the liberal media).

Anyway, the proposed pipeline would run for approximately 100 miles in South Carolina through Aiken, Edgefield, McCormack, Abbeville and Anderson counties.  It would terminate in Belton at a 900,000 barrel “tank farm.”  The company also envisions Belton as the terminus for an expanded pipeline route from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

“The system will have a design capacity of up to 167,000 barrels per day,” the company stated.

State and local officials have already been consulted about the project, which would create an estimated thirty new jobs in South Carolina when it comes online in the summer of 2017.  Property owners have also been consulted.

“Kinder Morgan is in discussions with landowners, and the vast majority of the time we are able to reach mutually beneficial agreements with impacted landowners and communities without any need for eminent domain,” a company spokeswoman told The Greenville News.

Let’s hope so … because we are hard core opponents of eminent domain, which basically the taking of property by the government for “public use.”  We’re also hard core opponents of any government-funded incentives – of which Kinder Morgan is hopefully receiving not a penny.

Assuming Kinder Morgan is paying for the project itself – and the permissions it needs from local landowners – we see no problem with this project.

Will the state’s rabid enviros feel the same?

Don’t bet on it …

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52 comments

Crooner April 30, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Any risk to the environment is clearly worth the 30 jobs this project is slated to create. How long are the jobs supposed to last?

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idiotwind April 30, 2015 at 2:55 pm

yeah! tree-huggers and socialists have dominated this state too long! its time for conservatives to stop cowering in the shadows! also jesus. and fetuses. feti? fetae?

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 2:57 pm

Jesus and fetuses are cowering in the corner?
The same corner with conservatives?

Crowded-ass corner!

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TroubleBaby April 30, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Fourth declension my friend.

You could simplify it with a small change and avoid the problem by declaring “Jesus fetus” or “The baby Jesus”.

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 3:40 pm

My favorite tee-shirt slogan from the sixties:

MAY THE SWEET BABY JESUS SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND OPEN YOUR MIND

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Rocky April 30, 2015 at 4:00 pm

My favorite from the 80s, To Open Pull Up

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Centrist View April 30, 2015 at 5:58 pm

If that was true, then how did we get the mega trash dumps with out of state garbage trucked in?

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 3:01 pm

Jacksonville is a shithole. Maybe they feel the need to export the shit-holeness.

30 jobs! Wow! That 3 X 10 jobs.

Did Haley do that? Will she cut the ribbon?

Yeah, and Will done and warned ’em. Better don’t be no eminent domain. Coz he hates that shit. Always opposes it.

Um. As long as it isn’t for the Trans-Canada Pipeline.

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TroubleBaby April 30, 2015 at 3:24 pm

“30 jobs! Wow! That 3 X 10 jobs.

Did Haley do that? Will she cut the ribbon?”

Blowjobs for 30 at the ceremony!

“Coz he hates that shit. Always opposes it.

Um. As long as it isn’t for the Trans-Canada Pipeline.”

LMAO! +1

Cue up the “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” defense. Which also explains Emerson’s bi-sexuality.

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Rockito April 30, 2015 at 4:03 pm

Well I dunno about a craphole, they do have higher incomes and great golf courses, and only 4 hour drive to Miami – La Vida Bonita. But yeah, their football team blows.

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Soft Sigh from Hell April 30, 2015 at 6:27 pm

Jacksonville’s main AM radio station used to broadcast as “The Voice of Redneck America.” You could get it on coastal SC.

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TroubleBaby April 30, 2015 at 3:18 pm

“Anyway, the proposed pipeline would run for approximately 100 miles in South Carolina through Aiken, Edgefield, McCormack, Abbeville and Anderson counties.”

They should go ahead and run it through the Savannah River Site. Less complaints that way.

:)

Nuclear waste + Moving flammable liquid = Happy 4th of July

“Ohhhhh…look at the pretty colors!”

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Terry April 30, 2015 at 3:29 pm

“because we are hard core opponents of eminent domain, which basically the taking of property by the government for “public use.”

You do realize the XL Pipeline would be impossible without the use of eminent domain.

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 6:12 pm

He doesn’t answer that. Yet he does support the XL Pipeline.

So I guess he isn’t all that “hard core” an opponent after all …?

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RogueElephant April 30, 2015 at 8:17 pm

eminent domain should only be used to clean up the few holdouts that always seem to want to screw the company or entity building whatever. It should not be used when good faith negotiation can do the job.

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 9:21 pm

“The job” does not have to be done with their land if the land-owner does not want to sell.

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RogueElephant May 1, 2015 at 6:43 am

I remember back in the 60’s when they were building I40 in NC, there was one farmer above Charlotte that held up the entire system for years . That is what I am talking about. That one hold out trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of whoever. I am a property owner myself and would resent someone taking my land by imminent domain. But at the same time I would b reasonable about it. Who was the supreme court judge that voted to take the property of someone for an increase in the tax base ? That was totally wrong.

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Alias The Buzzman May 1, 2015 at 9:06 am

Taking easements is one thing. Taking whole tracts of land is another. Not everyone is a hold-out to extort money. Some people just dammit do not want to sell. Now, I have traversed the full length of I-40 far too many times to say the road should never have been built. But I don’t see how one property owner could have held up the entire system. They build entire major components of infrastructure systems in the middle of nowhere on speculation that there will be growth in that area, or just to get some big muckitty-mucks name of the damned project. Don’t tell me they could not find away around that dude’s land.

RogueElephant May 1, 2015 at 12:18 pm

It was probably a combination of bad planning and stubbornness but at Mocksville there was a dairy that I40 was going to cut in two. Rather than either side giving an inch they fought over it. Looks to me like they could have gone down the side of his property rather than cut it in two. Or made a tunnel for him. But it ended with the road going through. I was driving that route regularly then. Naturally, when they got the road finished I was doing other things. A little thinking and cooperation could have saved a lot of time if nothing else.

Terry May 1, 2015 at 12:37 pm

So you support the use of eminent domain to build the XL Pipeline, even though it does not benefit any of the people whose land was taken in any way?

Jack May 1, 2015 at 1:31 pm

You will never get an answer to that question. Repugnuts like Rogue go silent when you point out they are hypocrites, and that the Republican Party will always choose the needs of their rich donors over the needs of the average guy.

Jack May 1, 2015 at 12:17 pm

So this is the Republican position? Really? From the party that gave eminent domain rights to the railroad barons so they go all across the nation stealing the land of ranchers and farmers.

So let me understand your logic. It is bad for a city to condemn a run down abandoned part of the city to sell to a developer to rehab, which will benefit almost everyone in the city. But it is ok for Republican moneymen to use the power of eminent domain to build a pipeline through the middle of the country that will not benefit anyone except them. That sounds like GOP logic.

Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm

10 years ago, you could not find a single conservative who was for using eminent domain in any form. Not just Libertarians, but conservatives across the board said it was overreach from liberal collectivists, bent on forcing everyone to submit to their will. Now you guys love it.

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SCBlues April 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm

“You do realize the XL Pipeline would be impossible without the use of eminent domain.”
He doesn’t realize shit.

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Tunes'n'News April 30, 2015 at 3:41 pm

There’s never been any leaks from Colonial Pipeline into the Reedy River, or from the Plantation Pipeline in the Belton area. Eminent domain’s no big deal for the property owners. They should be happy for the Kinder Morgan money.

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Centrist View April 30, 2015 at 6:36 pm

Wrong.

Company eyes new pipeline for Belton while still cleaning its gas spill there
http://www.independentmail.com/business/company-eyes-new-pipeline-for-belton-while-still-cleaning-its-gas-spill-there_61479794
[Excerpt]

BELTON — Kinder Morgan wants to build a new pipeline from South Carolina to Florida, but it still has a 250,000-gallon gasoline leak to clean up that has saturated farmland around Belton in the path of its existing Plantation Pipe Line.

Fuel spill cleanup
http://www.independentmail.com/news/fuel-spill-cleanup

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Tunes'n'News April 30, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Correct, the comment above was not meant to be serious. It was meant to mock Kinder Morgan who are going to use eminent domain to put a pipeline across people’s property. Like Alfred E Newman said, what me worry? Wouldn’t want it across my land.

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SCBlues April 30, 2015 at 11:57 pm

“Correct, the comment above was not meant to be serious”
Don’t you hate it when folks miss the boat on these threads . . .

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Alias The Buzzman May 1, 2015 at 9:15 am

Who missed the boat, really? It gave the opportunity for the truth to be presented, here, in comments. That’s better than having one or two gloat about how much smarter they supposedly are than everyone else. Hell, “they” are gonna do that anyway, but if “they” think that’s what is important, it is “them” who are missing the boat.

The important thing is, the notion that the company and its projects don’t pollute is a busted myth — as it the idea that they don’t use eminent domain. So I thank “them” very much, for this, and for other instances of this kind of thing.

SCBlues May 5, 2015 at 1:51 am

“That’s better than having one or two gloat about how much smarter they supposedly are than everyone else”
Did YOU of all people really post that on here? And for the record, YOU missed the boat. Really.

Alias The Buzzman May 5, 2015 at 4:25 am

Missed the boat? By not recognizing immediately that a comment was sarcastic, rather than sincere? How, exactly, was I supposed to do that? Perhaps by remembering every screen name used, what their political party or ideological polarity is, etc. I also know that “being smart” is a relative term, which depends of myriad factors.
I know how smart I am and how smart I’m not. I also know my memory is faulty, even on a bad day. So what? What does it matter?

Apparently the three of us, if that is not you using another name, are in agreement about pipelines and the environment. So why quibble about this petty shit?

Repeating an earlier comment:
“Problem is, the things some people say sarcastically on here are, all too often, less absurd that what others say in dead earnest. Or equally so. Shit, who could muster up any effective sarcasm that is more outrageous than GT’s daily output of what he — apparently — believes to be the truth?”

Deeply sorry (NOT!) that I don’t toe a party line on every aspect of every issue. You may see that as a flaw, while I see it as the only way to maintain a free mind, and some degree of objectivity.

SCBlues May 5, 2015 at 7:48 am

Uh-huh.

Alias The Buzzman May 5, 2015 at 12:51 pm

I actually agree with you most of the time. Jeez my frickin’ knees!

Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 9:28 pm

haha! People talk about having somebodys ass being handed to them on here a lot.

Yours got handed to you by Centrist View. Your comment was a bald faced lie.

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Tunes'n'News April 30, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Colonial dumped a million gallons in the Reedy River. Groundwater in certain areas in Belton are dangerous due to Plantation. I’ll use a sarcasm font next time.

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SCBlues April 30, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Some of us got it! I’ll use a sarcasm font next time. ”
Some of us got it!

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Alias The Buzzman May 1, 2015 at 9:11 am

Problem is, the things some people say sarcastically on here are, all too often, less absurd that what others say in dead earnest. Or equally so. Shit, who could muster up any effective sarcasm that is more outrageous than GT’s daily output of what he — apparently — believes to be the truth?

Rocky April 30, 2015 at 4:02 pm

Just wondering why the pipeline goes from Jacksonville to upstate, creating 30 jobs in SC, and Jacksonville gets the 90 port jobs. Why not run it from Charleston to upstate, and keep all 120.

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Centrist View April 30, 2015 at 6:30 pm

Looks like they might be getting infrastructure in place for offshore drilling. Interesting how it takes a turn south a Savannah, about 15 miles from the coast. Not a long distance to tie into the pipe from the port.

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Rocky April 30, 2015 at 7:33 pm

No, it’s designed to tie into the existing oil transfer facility in Jacksonville. There isn’t one in Savannah that I’m aware of, and don’t know the status of the one here in North Charleston anymore.

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Dan Ruck April 30, 2015 at 4:07 pm

Wow! Thirty new jobs? Is that over 10 years? Has Nikki announced her latest job creation yet?

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Piper Perabo April 30, 2015 at 5:31 pm

Easy and inexpensive access to gasoline is one of the primary reasons that fuel is cheaper here than almost anywhere else in the US. Pipelines are by far the safest means of transport. The number of jobs is not the point.

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Alias The Buzzman April 30, 2015 at 6:18 pm

Keystone pipeline firm files for eminent domain against Nebraska landowners

“TransCanada Corp., the Canadian company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, filed eminent domain proceedings against an estimated 90 Nebraska landowners Tuesday to secure the right to build the controversial project across their property.”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-keystone-land-2015-0120-story.html

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Soft Sigh from Hell April 30, 2015 at 6:25 pm

“Assuming Kinder Morgan is paying for the project itself – and the permissions it needs from local landowners”

What a naif. What a rube.

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Bible Thumper April 30, 2015 at 10:06 pm

Update: Kinder Morgan Announces Open Season Extension of Its 167,000 b/d Palmetto Project to Serve New Southeast Markets
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners, L.P. on Tuesday announced an extension of the binding open season to solicit commitments for the proposed Palmetto Project, which offers shippers a new refined products service to move gasoline, diesel, and ethanol from Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina to points in South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. The binding open season, which originally ended September 30, 2014, was extended to October 30. The project has a design capacity of 167,000 b/d and would consist of a segment of expansion capacity that Palmetto would lease from Plantation Pipe Line Company between Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and Belton, South Carolina. A new 360-mile pipeline from Belton, South Carolina, to Jacksonville, Florida, would also be constructed as part of the project. http://phx.corp

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Corny ass May 1, 2015 at 2:00 am

You have a fuckin bunny rabbit as your profile pic. Even, if you are correct no one gives a shit.

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Bible Thumper May 1, 2015 at 2:06 am

Me? You have a default avatar with no neck and nothing meaningful to say.

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Alias The Buzzman May 1, 2015 at 9:18 am

Don’t be hatin’ on thick dot heads.

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Slartibartfast April 30, 2015 at 11:09 pm

After all, people in the Low Country don’t deserve cheaper oil and gas. Ask any environmentalist.. or Dora the Explora.

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SCBlues April 30, 2015 at 11:54 pm

Cheaper oil and gas??? LOL You guzzle the Kool-Aid.

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Philip Branton May 1, 2015 at 10:03 am

WOW…just look at this article and the comments. We highly wager that most would agree that cell phones have changed a LOT in the last two decades. Dare to wonder how many realize how battery technology has changed in the last two decades that people are NOT aware of or allowed to purchase …yet !?

The death of this pipeline is the actual battery technology that is not reported along with this article.

The death of the Keystone pipeline is the actual ENERGY magma sitting in Yellowstone National park…..but does any investors realize it….or consumers that have CHOICE..?

LOL…….Wil Folks, we love ya, ……….but you need to put a blue dress on this pipeline and think a while….

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Chief May 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm

If you ride from North Augusta to Edgefield you can see this has already started happening. They are installing the pipeline aleady.

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