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Ferguson: The Socialist Has A Point …

ACTUALLY, HE’S GOT TWO OF THEM THIS TIME …  U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders – an independent socialist from Vermont – is not often aligned with the pro-free market thinking endorsed by this website.  In fact the last time we can recall agreeing with Sanders was 2009, when he argued for…

ACTUALLY, HE’S GOT TWO OF THEM THIS TIME … 

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders – an independent socialist from Vermont – is not often aligned with the pro-free market thinking endorsed by this website.  In fact the last time we can recall agreeing with Sanders was 2009, when he argued for transparency with regard to the bank bailout.

Well, it’s happened again … this time Sanders is making sense regarding the ongoing race riots in Ferguson, Missouri – which have stemmed from the August 9 shooting of an 18-year-old black robbery suspect by a white police officer.

Anyway, Sanders argues that the over-militarization of local law enforcement is indeed a pressing issue as it relates to this unfolding drama.

“When you see the kind of force that’s been used in Ferguson, it really does make an appeal that the police department there is an occupying army in a hostile territory and that is absolutely not what we want to see in the United States,” he told MSNBC.  “So, I think we’ve got to rethink a lot of this heavy equipment that police departments around the country are utilizing.”

Agreed … 100 percent.  When Middle America looks like the Middle East, you’ve got a real problem on your hands.

But there’s a bigger problem lurking beneath the disturbing third world visuals … a.k.a. the “root cause” of what some are referring to as the “Negro Spring” (or “African-American Summer,” for those of you politically correct sticklers for detail).

Specifically, we’re referring to Sanders’ hope that “what Ferguson teaches us is that not only the violence being perpetrated against young black men but also the economic crises facing black youth in this country.”

Exactly … and that’s a crisis, it’s worth pointing out, that isn’t being caused by “the man,” but rather by local governments controlled almost exclusively by Democrats (and in many cases black Democrats).

“Youth unemployment in America is tragically high, it is 20 percent,” Sanders said.  “African-American youth unemployment is 35 percent. In the St. Louis area, it is significantly higher than that. And if we are going to address the issue of crime in low-income areas and in African-American areas, it might be a good idea that instead of putting heavy equipment into police departments on those areas, we start creating jobs for the kids there who desperately need them.”

Obviously we don’t believe the creation of jobs is a core function of government … but we do agree with Sanders that there’s some major miscalculation going on with regard to the Ferguson riots.

Blacks are being held back disproportionately … but it’s not the “man” doing it, it’s government, which wants to keep them on the welfare rolls, in crappy schools, in jail, etc.

Oh, and angry …

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190 comments

Weekend at Bernie's August 20, 2014 at 4:24 pm

This is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t ignore Socialists. They have very intelligent people in their ranks, like Noam Chomsky.

Even if they are borderline retards on economics, they are very good on foreign policy and the police state.

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GrandTango August 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm

Is Obama’s friend Bill Ayers a socialist, or communist? Because if they don’t listen to you, you can always Bomb the H#!! out of em, like Ayers did ….

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Smirks August 21, 2014 at 8:45 am

GrandTango, you’re scared of being bombed by Ayers? I think you’d feel safer riding in the Ryder truck with Timothy McVeigh. Seems like a nice fellow.

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Same ol' Same ol' August 20, 2014 at 4:49 pm

So, what’s the solution? The black man claims the white man holds him down, but, if you look at the cultural difference between the two, it looks like it’s self inflicted.
Key question is, who is actually holding the black man down and why? Could there be money involved? If that’s the case, follow the money. What does it take to get to the root of the issue and on a road to recovery? How long do we have to put up with this shit?

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 6:51 pm

How does it look self-inflicted when you consider that slavery put blacks at a disadvantage in America from the words “get off the boat, slave” ?

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truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:30 pm

A while back, I ran into some “Buffalo Soldier” reenactors. Given that I’m of “Native American” descent, I took offense at their glorification of their ancestors’ oppression and murder of MY ancestors while claiming to be victims.

The big difference is that I don’t mope around and claim victimhood. I’m justifiably proud of my ancestry, but I live in modern society where I follow the law and participate in society. I am responsible for myself and my own successes and failures. Take that weak-ass “the MAN holdin’ me DOWN” crap on down the road, little girl.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm

Take it from Canada and Australia: If the vast majority of your ancestors had not been completely wiped out as opposed to enslaved or institutionalized, you would have the numbers, and the oppressive history, to exhibit righteous anger, resentment, and would be at a social and economic disadvantage just like African-Americans.

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Centrist View August 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

What is the appropriate level of weaponry that police should deploy against people who lob Molotov cocktails at them?

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jimlewisowb August 20, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Apparently they want the male cops to pull out their WMD’s and piss on the cocktails

Jury is still out on what the female cops are to do

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 6:04 pm

A good question. Where are the examples that this “excessive militarization” caused any of the problems in Ferguson? The truth is, it hasn’t, the police have used standard police riot control tactics, riot control agents and arms.

I am against police departments having heavy weapons, true machine guns and being in any uniform other than a readily identifiable blue police uniform but with that said, I see no harm in their having an armored (but not armed) vehicle. LRAD and other types of area denial gear should be reserved for state police vice being held by “Andy and Barney”.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 6:36 pm

Shoot-to-kill strategies by local police are absolutely examples of excessive militarization. I know in America the thought of having automatics, etc is not a ‘military’ idea, but who do you think all those guns were initially created for, if not the military?

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 6:47 pm

So you’re asserting that Officer Wilson was following a policy of “…shoot to kill…” when he encountered Michael Brown? Love to see some evidence of that, or that the local or state police had such a policy in dealing with the protesters.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm

I absolutely assert such a thing when anything more than one shot is fired, and at least one shot hits the head square on. But, I never said this was the strategy of the national guard, highway patrol, etc, in relation to the protests.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 6:56 pm

Having spent more than half my life training with fire arms, two to the chest, two to the head is sound technique when dealing with the threat of bodily harm/death. Throw in some adrenalin in the moment and 6-8 shots isn’t being the realm of possibility or reasonable response. If Mr.Brown was falling as he rushed the officer and officer Wilson was acting on poor instinct, it is readily understandable that his last shot went into the head, you obviously have never been shot at.

Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 6:58 pm

Yes, it is.

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:15 pm

So, 6’4″, 300lbs and already broke bones in the officer’s face resulting in loss of vision from one eye….. oh yeah, I’m sure Baby Huey was only gonna apologize and be the officer’s bud for life….

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 9:53 pm

How did the officer get his eyeball back in?

I wonder if he kept an extra pair of underwear in his glove compartment.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 9:57 pm

Orbit fracture wouldn’t necessarily have caused it to fall out.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:04 pm

What I want to know is how he managed to maintain his balance on his two feet and fire his pistol in excruciating pain… falling into the abyss of unconsciousness from the savage beating by fat boy… yet, somehow, finding the inner will to shoot him dead before he used those deadly hands on someone too stupid to have armed themselves.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm

One of the reasons we drill tactics until they become muscle memory is that very reason. I saw a guy nearly cut his arm of on a jump and still perform all of his landing procedures correctly – adrenalin kicks in and training takes over. The target was likely closing the distance and falling forward after being hit 2-3 times thus explaining the head shot. The first shots were in the arms apparently, the torso shots were not one shot stops, the head shot was likely the last shot.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:29 pm

One of the reasons we drill tactics until they become muscle memory is that very reason.

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I know… it’s how we managed to stop that taxi carrying a pregnant woman in labor to the hospital at the checkpoint clearly marked in English…. the muscle memory shot the woman and her child through the window, just as he had been taught… perfect cluster of rounds… almost center mass of the vehicle engine…

shit happens… even when you’re at a safe distance with mace, taser, body armour, and close combat training.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:34 pm

Let’s see, I’d this the one from Panama or the multiple ones from SWA?

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:35 pm

“what difference does it make?”

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:43 pm

Just the fact that almost all the stories are so much bullshit.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm

Bullets tell a story that is hard to suppress.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm

Some early pictures taken show the cop standing over the man-childs body, with no apparent pain…just kind of looking down on his handy work.

Personally, if I’d have lost my mind and shot up some ghetto kid mouthing off to me and my boss said, “The only way you’re getting out of this with your life and freedom in any kind of meaningful way is if you take this beating and we claim the kid did it.”

After time and thinking about how miserable the rest of my life would be, I’d beg him to lay a billy club upside my head.

Now, I’m not saying that happened here, but it damn well could have. It’s one of many possibilities.

Only time will tell, assuming all the g-men don’t get together and decide to bury the whole thing for the sake of “peace”. The more agencies involved, the harder that is to do.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:58 pm

Those pictures were alleged to exist but the funny thing is none have come to light.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:02 pm
The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:16 pm

I guess that’s Wilson walking around but it really doesn’t look like him (to stocky but the hair is the same). The video carries the “alleged officer” warning. Still haven’t seen a clear photo.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm

Time will tell….

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:20 pm

Always does unless Hillary Clinton is involved or Louis Lerner or the Attorney General…

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:22 pm

lol…well I did allude to the fact that the thin blue line will cover his ass if they can, but there’s lots of agencies involved now.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:59 pm

He was obviously incompetent – he forgot to bring his throw down to work that day.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm

I don’t know that I’d argue that point but I want there.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm

Well, my went share.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm

He might never have had some throw down skills to begin with…there’s lot of tough ghetto kids for a reason. Most cops were kids that were bullied and/or bullies themselves…which doesn’t always translate to having throw down sklls if they were bullies at middle class white bread high school.

Hell, if they train in hand to hand like they now train with guns, they are at a severe disadvantage without numbers. In fact, Drudge just linked the other day to an article showing 80% of officers are overweight. So they better get on the horn and get backup each and every call if this is the way it’s gonna go down from now on.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:29 pm

…throwdown, as in spare gun in your sock to cover your ass when someone needs shooting, but you can’t come up with a believable story.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:45 pm

Ah…I was taking it as the ghetto meaning.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:56 pm

Don’t get me wrong, I was beaming with pride at your interpretation, and the writing skills you implied I had… I almost winced when I clarified my meaning.

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm

If you are a huge guy and you rush TBG when he already has a gun trained on you and has told you to stop….expect TBG to stop firing when either:

A) You are on the ground and no longer twitching or…
B)TBG runs out of bullets.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:21 pm

So black men are automatically at a disadvantage because white criminals are the same height and weight as most cops? Get over yourself.

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 8:35 pm

If you are a huge guy and you rush TBG when he already has a gun trained on you and has told you to stop….expect TBG to stop firing when either:

A) You are on the ground and no longer twitching or…
B)TBG runs out of bullets.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

Is that better?

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 9:53 pm

The kid should have brought a gun to the gun fight.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm

Or just tried walking on the sidewalk….

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:06 pm

If you’re going to walk on a blocked street whose traffic is impeded by an ambulance, fire engine, and police car – you’d better be armed to the teeth in this country.

Tyranny is best met with the force of arms…. uh, I mean deadly force.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Might be time to just go home…

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm

Nah, it’s too much fun to oppose tyranny.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm

Just curious, did you ever stop to think as you were typing the above, “Yep, he really was killed after the escalation of refusing the command to walk on the sidewalk.” and do a double take?

I mean really, don’t you think there might be the slightest possibility that the cop letting the situation escalate to the point of shooting the man-child might be a special incompetence all on its own?

Now to be fair, I’m not much interested in the early reporting on the whole thing because all the eyewitness testimony seems back and forth, contradictory in nature, etc.

But, are we really saying that the dead man-child refused to obey the cop, then when the cop got out of the car the man-child beat the shit out of him for no other reason than he was not taking his orders?

I don’t know…even for a ghetto kid, that seems like a big stretch to me.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:52 pm

All I know is that I generally obey the orders of the police and I’ve never been shot at by one. I’ve wanted to will on one or two but discretion kicked in first.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm

Then again, you’ve probably never been a ghetto kid with shitty parents….but I understand your point. Seems like a more reasonable officer tries to avoid shooting a kid over such a thing.

What’s the difference between a third world countries police and ours if the new norm is death for walking in the street?

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:59 pm

Don’t make more out of Ferguson than it really is, I think five people have been shot dead in Chicago since this went down.

Really? August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm

Good point, so I guess it is the “new norm”. That doesn’t mean we have to like it.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:08 pm

No argument there.

euwe max August 21, 2014 at 12:26 am

Alfred: (points) Is that a real gun?

Murtaugh: Yeah, this is a real gun.

Alfred: Do you kill people?

Murtaugh: No. If some guy is hurting someone, I try to shoot him in the leg…

Murtaugh: …just to stop him.

Alfred: Mama says policemen shoot black people.

Alfred and friends: – Is it true? – Yeah, is it true?

Alfred: Is that true?

(Murtaugh grimaces. Alfred’s mother looks away quickly.)

Really? August 21, 2014 at 9:21 am

The Lethal Weapon series is pretty good stuff…I didn’t recall that exchange…funny but also a good “thinker”.

I think this was the funniest moment is all the LW series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bWIkGa0QA

“Yo baby is having my baby! And Yo baby?! Whoa baby!”

lmao

Tiny11 September 4, 2014 at 10:58 am

Funny enough, that’s only mostly true when the rusher/mouth is a large black man. White men who rush/mouth off cops are usually muscled down.

TontoBubbaGoldstein September 4, 2014 at 9:25 pm

TBG was only speaking for himself…not the Po-Po.

BTW if you either are are..or look like either of the “Tiny”s that used to bounce for Charleston area nightclubs back in the day, TBG would be afraid to shoot you..because it might make you angry. : )

He Loses Either Way August 21, 2014 at 10:38 pm

tiny, that’s awesome, a police office (white) hitting a black guy with a billy club in the middle of the street in that neihborhood – he’d have gone far…at least his family could collect the life insurance money….

Tiny11 September 4, 2014 at 11:00 am

So you admit it, there is a racial reason why cops shoot too quickly in black neighborhoods. That is just wrong and only perpetuates the dangers cops feel or face for themselves.

Nobody August 23, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Twice as many people are murdered by “unarmed” attackers than people armed with rifles every year. Police are not paid to be “Tough Guys”. Tough guys get paid ten times what a cop makes to play in the NFL or fight in the UFC. They are paid to write tickets and take people in front of judges to stand for their crimes, not get beat up. People that take a beating make a hell of a lot more money.

Tiny11 September 4, 2014 at 10:59 am

Your comment is ALL over the place…You say that at least 150,000 Americans are murdered every year by people who do not use guns, in addition to the 75,000 murders that happen with guns. You say cops don’t make more money than UFC fighters (true) – but are you suggesting America’s culture of violence would end if the cops had more money? I think that the resentment born from the money spent on heavy artillery for local police forces proves that wrong, even if I agree that public services like local police/firemen, teachers and nurses, etc need more funding (though not for military-grade artillery).

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:12 pm

One shot seldom stops an attacker. You need to stop watching so much TV, child.

BTW, did you happen to see the reports on how badly beaten the officer was? Nah, can’t let truth get in the way of your little fantasy.

Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm

I’ve seen the reports, but I have not seen the evidence. Lots of people have come out to offer support and a different story on behalf of Officer Wilson, but if the photos can be authenticated (because a man with serious facial injuries, at least those which require him to use a gun to save himself) would no doubt have seen a doctor about them, if not gone right to an emergency room and asked for them to be documented for photographic evidence. However, if these steps were not taken, I think we can all assume the the word “serious” is being seriously trumped up in Wilson’s defense.

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm

He DID go to the er afterwards (not under his own power). THAT is documented, as well as his injuries. Noticed how even the DOJ is backing down? Even THEY see what happened.

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 7:58 pm

Hasn’t it been reported that Dead Thug forgot to bring a gun to the fight so he tried to take Officer Williams?

Mike at the Beach August 20, 2014 at 8:02 pm

You are either a moron, have never been in a firefight, or both. I leaning toward “both.”

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:09 pm

If I shoot you, I am shooting to stop a threat. People do sometimes die when being stopped from harming others. You still wear diapers and suck your thumb, right?

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:20 pm

Not often. I spend far too much time changing yours and this country needs SOME grown-ups…

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 7:36 pm

After Brown beat Wilson’s ass he would then have access to his side arm, taser, long arm and anything else that the Ferguson police department carries in a patrol car.

shifty henry August 20, 2014 at 8:46 pm

— and Wilson’s police vehicle ( I still don’t know if it was an auto, suv, or truck — which is what the unknown talker on the video called it).

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:07 pm

And Colonel Sanders speaks again. What a rube.

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm

Pray tell monger, where am I wrong?

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Don't even try August 20, 2014 at 7:36 pm

Truthmonger’s a cop that doesn’t remember that those in his profession used to be called “peace officers”, in fact, he’d probably mock such people today.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm

war is peace.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:03 pm

But the opposite of love is not hate, it’s antipathy.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm

when the love of power is overtaken by the power of love, you’ll be out of a job.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm

Were that it was so. Either way, I’m out of a job next June…

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:09 pm

There’s always a place for a man who knows how to use a gun, has no need for introspection and is comfortable with power and control.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:17 pm

I think I’m going to go for a long ride.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:07 pm

I wonder if you’re ever ostracized for your vocabulary in the circles you run in.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm

No but I was banned from the FOB Scrabble tournaments in 9-10 and 13-14.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm

Quahog and geoduck.

The Colonel August 21, 2014 at 12:41 pm

No, I never lost and people didn’t want to have to play against me – I got me a publick edumicashun but the readin part took real gud…

euwe max August 21, 2014 at 6:56 pm

It’s a good thing you didn’t find chess… or, better, that it didn’t find you.

The Colonel August 21, 2014 at 7:05 pm

I suck at chess

euwe max August 21, 2014 at 7:14 pm

chess has the power to make men happy.

The Colonel August 21, 2014 at 8:35 pm

Or in my case, frustrate the shit out of them.

euwe max August 21, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Karma.

Sandi Morals August 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm

LMAO!!!!!! Colonel….God Bless you…this debate was better than a Saturday Night Live ‘skit’!!!
Just for reference , Deo Vindice SC is our faux Marine that plays the role of Otis from Mayberry, the town drunk.He typically show up when his buddies Jack Daniels and Jim Beam knock on the door. Harmless.
euwe max plays many roles… giving advice on watching playgrounds with small children , legalizing drugs for children and hating America is his expertise.
You more than held your own tonight, thank you for your service and I think you can understand why these two get along so well. :-)

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:34 pm

If I had to guess, DVSC I’d guess is not a faux Marine. Euwe is more fun than a barrel of monkeys, he’s the KY jelly that holds this soup sandwich together.

Sandi Morals August 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Lord have Mercy!!!! The Colonel is following the command of Sgt. Euwe-‘the KY jelly that holds this soup sandwich together’!!!!
Sweet Jesus, goodnight!!!

Soft Sigh from Hell August 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm

“I see no harm in their having an armored (but not armed) vehicle. LRAD and other types of area denial gear should be reserved for state police vice being held by “Andy and Barney”.

Reasonable approach. In some large urban counties, I can even see a sheriff’s department having the higher-level materiel.

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 8:47 pm

I believe in order and control. when the people tell us how it is, we got a problem. Agreed ?

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 9:26 pm

Colonel Andy, your answer ? Please.

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 9:29 pm

I’m sorry, I missed the question – exactly what are you asking?

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 9:31 pm

see below stupid

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 9:34 pm

I read it, I’m just not sure what your real question is. Are you implying that “the man” shouldn’t be told by “the people” that there is a problem? If that’s where you’re going, I kind of like that part of the constitution that says something about “peaceable assembly and redress of grievances”, I’ve spent the last thirty years sworn to defend that idea.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 9:44 pm

I say ” WE ARE THE PEOPLE ” and not just in loud way, for the caps. I don’t like the way you seem to think that you were a colonel yesterday. And seem to think you are now. ” I’d frag your ass asap if I were in your command.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 9:51 pm

Funny, my ID card is still current and all my soldiers still call me “sir” or “colonel”.

I’m still not sure what you’re talking about with the “WE THE PEOPLE” shtick. Are you implying that someone is denying your/our right to protest. It damn sure ain’t me. I’ve subjugated my rights to speak openly about politically issues for about ten more months.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 9:58 pm

That is good of you. I was not a soldier. I can see your ass in the rear with the gear. A person of rank only. You are not a military man, just a officer like Haley’s Hero ! Plant flowers and what else.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:07 pm

I spent four years as an infantry platoon leader, a dozen years as a combat engineer, commanded three companies (one infantry, two engineer), I’ve been an Inspector General and now in fact spend my time in the rear with the gear as an AG officer. That job took me to five countries and all over Jordan and Afghanistan my last go around (one of three to SWA). My unit is responsible for planning and execution of casualty reporting, mail and a lot of esoteric stuff you’d never think of when planning a war, I lead a fairly senior staff these days. My knees are gone, my tailbone still goes numb from a hard landing last deployment and I’ve forgotten more about leadership from the front than you’ll ever know. Not bragging, I’m definitely not a hero, I’ve read the reports and helped carry the boxes of many a real hero.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm

I have some complaints also, and none addressed. Since you are a Officer, should you be before me :? We were in Beruit 82, My friends were killed that I trained with. I know a OFFICER is more important than a enlisted man. TOO bad I was not in your command.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:15 pm

You would see it different

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm

You are a crap Colonel, simple as that

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm

So you were or weren’t in the military, I’m confused?

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:18 pm

Bet you are, the military for you was a golf course. Shoot your self and go away. MORON.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:23 pm

No, I’d rather stay and participate while you become more unhinged. So who were your friends and what would you like to know about? I assume we’re talking Beirut? Maybe not though, the Barracks Bombing was in ’83 – I was in basic training when it happened.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:28 pm

give me the list, i’ll show you the names .

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:29 pm

So now I get the “I was not a Soldier” comment.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:30 pm

show me how you are

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:32 pm

Show you how I are what? By the way, there is a very good online memorial for those killed in Beirut: http://www.beirut-memorial.org/memory/brtnames.html

One of the things you’ll find is a complete list of the fallen

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:36 pm

And the FACT you looked that up means you are a not a Commander in any US force that I would be in.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm

You’ve lost me again, you asked for the list, I knew where to find it, because I’ve had to research it before, and I provided it. I’ve been fortunate enough to have only lost three friends in the last fourteen years, I don’t have to look up the when where or how on any of them.

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 21, 2014 at 6:08 am

“No true Scotsman…”

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:30 pm

you think this a fun thing, it’s not for me .

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:33 pm

A Colonel doe’s not gloat of the personnel killed on his watch. At least not in the USMC.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Since you are apparently older than I am, I won’t start what I’m about to write with son, in deference to you’re being a Maine, I’ll start it this way: My friend, not only do I not find it funny, I’ve spent two tours reviewing every casualty in theater, I’ve been both a notification officer and a casualty liaison officer. I’ve never gloated about anything in my military career except for the fact that I’ve never lost a “high score on qualification day” bet.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:39 pm

I clicked on them and cannot send you the names of my dead friends. How can I send them to you, so you will be satisfied ?

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:42 pm

I believe you.

RogueElephant August 21, 2014 at 8:10 am

Congratulations on being an Engineer Commander. My call sign in Vietnam was 03 Whisky . 03 was operations and W was my assigned letter. Just being a lowly sgt. I was proud to do what I was told. But I did learn a lot as well as served my country.

Jack August 20, 2014 at 10:12 pm

“I am against police departments having heavy weapons, true machine guns … I see no harm in their having an armored (but not armed) vehicle. LRAD and other types of area denial gear should be reserved for state police vice. …”.
What happened to the constitutional right of the policemen to keep and bear arms? Do you give up you gun rights, if you are a policemen? Why can’t you carry your own Uzi or AK47 or grenade launcher?

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The Colonel August 21, 2014 at 12:34 pm

Knock yourself out – just don’t carry it in uniform on duty, that right doesn’t trump the rules of the workplace.

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Vanguard16 August 20, 2014 at 10:47 pm

You are phony. Note the call sign, Vanguard Six One!

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:48 pm

Funny your username is vanguard one six…

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm

Vanguard 1-6 would be a sign in the USMC as a Commander

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:14 pm

Roger, same in the Army except we generally don’t use static call signs anymore. Boss six is the commander, boss one six would be the first platoon leader (platoon commander in jarhead speak)

Mike at the Beach August 21, 2014 at 1:02 am

Typing can be problematic for some folks…

Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 20, 2014 at 7:33 pm

Tazers, tear gas, non lethal rounds, rubber bullets, flash bangs, sound cannons, heat cannons…maybe even dogs or high pressure water hoses…

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 8:58 pm

maybe even dogs or high pressure water hoses…

Children trying to go to school are not the same as a young adult committing strong arm robbery, resisting arrest, and attacking a cop.

Nice try, though.

Very nice “implied strawman”, actually….

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euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:11 pm

a young adult committing strong arm robbery

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a dead one, with his handful of incriminating cigarillos still clutched in his hand, each leaf calling out to God for justice from the cold wilderness – their final resting place… where the agony of neglect was just beginning.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 21, 2014 at 6:14 am

a lone, diminutive cigar store Indian stares blankly into the distance… and contemplates, with painted eyes, the meaning of it all…

Poor ‘ol Kaw Liga!

euwe max August 21, 2014 at 9:13 am

….y… you got the American Indian / diminutive Indian American reference… r..right?

Great ad campaign August 21, 2014 at 10:23 pm

I loved those commercials

Lamont Sanford August 20, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Problem in Ferguson is under trained, under paid, inexperienced cops mixed with a predominately black (uneducated, unemployed mostly ignorant) population. The blacks want instant “street” justice and don’t have the intelligence to consider that the wheels of justice turn slowly. If the officer used excessive force on an innocent unarmed man he will be punished according to the law. If the officer used an appropriate level of force to stop fleeing felon that was a physical threat to the officer then an investigation will determine wrong doing or not. It is a shame that we all must be so sensitive to the black feelings. What if the officer was black and the suspect was white. Do you think it would even have made the new outside of Ferguson?? probably not.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 6:38 pm

A “fleeing felon” who was initially stopped for minding his own business, walking in the middle of a quiet street?

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Lamont Sanford August 20, 2014 at 6:53 pm

you are obviously of African decent. You should thank your lucky stars that a white slave owner brought your ancestors here. Otherwise you would be chasing elephants in Africa right now.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:13 pm

I am obviously a person. My color could be purple (it’s actually white), but it wouldn’t change the reality that placing all the blame for this on African-Americans would be immoral and incorrect. But judging by your comments about how lucky Africans are (considering the state of Africans IN Africa has everything to do with white colonialism in the territory for five hundred years and not simply Africans themselves), your sense of immorality is missing entirely.

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm

As you likely can be thankful that your ancestors were losers who couldn’t take the competition in civilized Europe and had to bug out to the frontiers where the land was free and the adept competition was far less fierce.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:35 pm

As a white person in America descended mostly from farmers, who also knows that the system is broken in favor of my race and speaks out against that, I resent that. My ancestors were poor but they were obviously intelligent and had compassion. On the other hand, if my ancestors had been of the nobility and believed their5 position in life was their birthright or couldn’t be helped, I’d be a jackass like half this page’s commentors.

Soft Sigh from Hell August 20, 2014 at 8:22 pm

“My ancestors were poor”

Thus “losers” in the eyes of that half of posters.
Darn few of America’s settlers were anything but just scraping by. South Carolina, as a Royal Colony, had some of the exceptions.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:11 pm

Thank God for those exceptions!

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 10:02 pm

Have you noticed when there’s a natural disaster in an urban area the “citizen” there sit back and complain and asking for handouts. When there’s a natural disaster in a rural area, the locals band together and rebuild. Why is that?

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 8:03 pm

And kicked the civilized European asses back to Europe when they came over here trying to tell them how to live. A country which became the most powerful country in the world. Now take a look at any country in Africa and show me a country that isn’t a shithole worthy of nothing more than nuclear testing.

Soft Sigh from Hell August 20, 2014 at 8:17 pm

Well, the black, yellow, and brown people did do a pretty good job with all their work building it, true enough.

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 10:00 pm

Don’t forget those lily white, red headed bastards from Ireland.

The black people you speak of would be proud at how their offspring have done their best to tear down everything the worked for.

euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:10 pm

Aristocracy in decay.

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm

Or laying in a shithole bleeding out of your eyes and ass.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 9:08 pm

“You big dummy!”

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euwe max August 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm

Officer Swanhauser: Was the suspect colored?

Fred Sanford: Yeah, he wuz colored white.

Red Stars August 20, 2014 at 6:55 pm

Minding his own business after committing a felony and matching the description, then being uncooperative and fighting with the officer.

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Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm

He was NOT pulled over by the cops for the alleged robbery, and the police force in Ferguson admitted this themselves. So you can’t use that as justification for what happened on August 9th; it’s simply a convenient excuse but does not relate to the incident that got Brown killed.

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truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm

You really ARE NOT keeping up with the facts that are coming out. Idiot. The first “witness” has already admitted participation in the robbery, recanted his story, AND admitted Baby Huey was fighting the officer for the gun.

Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm

Right, but what we were discussing was what the Ferguson police force said themselves, which is that Officer Wilson did not pull over Brown OR his cousin for the alleged robbery. The questions about the robbery were asked of the cousin after the fact, but Brown was dead and never questioned, nor was the initial confrontation that resulted in Brown’s death in any way about the cigar shop. So, who’s not paying attention to the facts now?

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:36 pm

Actually, after they were able to talk to him, it came out that he learned of the robbery WHILE in contact with them.

By the way, what is important isn’t what the OFFICER knew, but rather what the SUSPECT knew. “Sh! T! I just robbed the store, and 5-O is rollin’ up on me! I AIN’T GOIN’ TO PRISON!!!” And so the 6’4″ 300# punk attacked the officer. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Tiny11 August 20, 2014 at 7:39 pm

So, the Ferguson police force is either changing the facts to fit their narrative, or they really are THAT stupid to have announced the opposite prematurely…bottom line, Ferguson PD needs to change their tactics, their make-up, and increase their overall skills.

And what’s important to remember is that no one will ever know what the suspect knew, because he never got to make a statement.

truthmonger August 20, 2014 at 7:49 pm

And you are lying because you are a racist.

Guest August 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm

What’s important to remember is that no one will ever know what the suspect knew, because he never got to make a statement.

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 9:07 pm

What’s important to remember is that no one will ever know what the suspect knew, because he never got to make a statement.

So…it’s your contention that the suspect may not have been aware that he had recently committed strong arm robbery?

REALLY???

Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 7:59 pm

He was pulled over because he didn’t have the sense to get out of the street when asked. His response was to attack the officer, who put two bullets in his dome and left him to bake on the asphalt long enough to show the other bad-asses in the neighborhood not to fuck with the police.

TontoBubbaGoldstein August 20, 2014 at 9:04 pm

He was NOT pulled over by the cops for the alleged robbery, and the police force in Ferguson admitted this themselves.

You, of course, realize that Brown didn’t know that and though stupid (or desperate) enough to charge a cop with a gun drawn on him, probably assumed this was exactly why he was being stopped.

The Ghost of Officer J. D.Tippit would like a word with you.

well now August 21, 2014 at 12:38 am

Not originally – everyone keeps saying what you say – which is true. But kind of like a lie through the sin of omission since the re-encountered/engaged brown because the man fit the description of the assailant in the very recent nearby store robbery, and had the merchandise in hand to boot. I still don’t know what happened exactly, like everyone else – but don’t stand of half truths to try and push one narrative over the other.

Seriously August 21, 2014 at 10:17 pm

about 300 white males get killed by the police every year -based on police reporting statistics, its probably not out of fear…hmm…that probably only happens to blacks. got it

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JohnQ August 20, 2014 at 6:13 pm

“Exactly … and that’s a crisis, it’s worth
pointing out, that isn’t being caused by “the man,” but rather by local
governments controlled almost exclusively by Democrats (and in many
cases black Democrats).”

So it;s the Democrats fault huh? The last I heard red states in the south are run almost exclusively by republicans.

How do you explain that? I know, you just choose to ignore the obvious and prefer to try and pin this on Democrats. I’m guessing the lily white junior nazis on the Ferguson Police force are almost exclusively republicans, the city council and state legislature are dominated by republicans. Governor Nixon is a Dem and has been vetoing continuously the RWNJ legislation that crosses his desk.

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SCBlues August 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm

I love Bernie Sanders? Sanders/Warren 2016!

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm

Agreed. That would be a helluva ticket.

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easterndumbfuckistan August 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm

Hell I’m a conservative and I would support that ticket, because the real problems (outside special interests) don’t control either of them. Their economics maybe problematic but they would try to restore the government to the people I believe.

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GrandTango August 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm

In Salt Lake City, a Black policeman killed a white unarmed 20-year-old who had NOT committed a crime earlier. Where’s FITS???? – SCPD is all over it.

Anyway: funny how FITS went ape-$#!* to defend his Due Process demand for the Boston Marathon terrorist child killers. Now FITS is blaming everybody but the criminal.
When you have nuanced idiots, so F*#king stupid as FITS, it’s how we end up like the USSR.

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Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 7:54 pm

Is it surprising that teen unemployment is high when you see the quality of human being that represents in that area? I don’t know when the last time I had a need for a thug, pissed off, high school dropout with no skills what-so-ever. Maybe if they act like “human goddamn beings” there might be hope, otherwise get used to dying in the streets with everyone but your mamma giving a shit.

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Smirks August 21, 2014 at 8:35 am

when you see the quality of human being that represents in that area?

Hard to tell who is from Ferguson and who isn’t amongst either the protesters or the rioters, at this point a lot of people have congregated there from other places to join in either one or the other.

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Mike at the Beach August 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm

People who believe Ferguson looks at all like “the Mideast” have spent not a single minute walking a street in “the Mideast.” More FITS libertarian silliness. You go out there in shirtsleeves and a Glock and let them pelt you with rocks, shoot people in the crowd, and throw Molitov cocktails at you, hero…

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and August 20, 2014 at 9:57 pm

Mike, keep in mind FITS is also the same dumb ass who would say – IF THE POLICE GOT overrun – something to the effect of “people, this is a core function of government, the police should have been prepared for this”

Unfortunately for FITS, the hoodlum idiots tearing up Ferguson are making a better argumen/example of why police should be escalating their arsenals. Unfotrunately.

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Bible Thumper August 20, 2014 at 8:13 pm

All this use of “military equipment” is horrible. Not one protester, rioter or looter has been killed or shot by the police yet. Not one policemen has been seriously injured.

Let’s get rid of all this “military equipment” and return to the ‘good ole days’ of Chicago ’68, Montgomery, Kent State and the Orangeburg Massacre.

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 8:45 pm

I need to know the Colonel’s age to comment. I grew up in right and wrong.

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 9:30 pm

Real simple, you’re talking with SC people, dumber than OWL SHIT, one calls himself a a Colonel. A Colonel takes charge where I come from.

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Squishy123 August 20, 2014 at 9:57 pm

Off topic, but I just read about Jesse Jackass complaining that Pandora isn’t diverse enough. This has me wonder, now that every major university has a Diversity Officer, how diverse are the people that hold these positions. Would I be wrong to guess that 90%+ of the people who have this position are black?

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:42 pm

Colonel, I’m not trying to argue, Don’t fuck with a Marine, K ?

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:44 pm

You rattled my cage as I recall it.

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm

we good or not ?

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:46 pm

I’m just enjoying the debate, I’d like to hear about Beirut some time.

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm

BOOM, it’s not a debate. The explosion was more than a god experience. It was a earthquake.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:50 pm

You were there?

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 10:51 pm

on the end of the hotel, thank god. I still have a smell of concrete in my nose.

The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm

I’m going to send you a link if you’re interested, I’d like to seriously talk about it. I’ll be teaching a military history class this semester that will end with urgent furry, just cause and we’ll be delivering a section on Beirut for the first time. If you want to really feel old think about that for a minute all of those operations are now history.

Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 11:19 pm

When I was in the USMC, I was Echo 1 November. Radio man for 1-6

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The Colonel August 20, 2014 at 11:29 pm

I started out as a 31SX9 (COMSEC weenie). I carried “orange six’s” radio for a while. Went all the way to the vaunted rank of specialist five(when there was such a thing – had to trade my sham shield for hard stripes, it was a sad day)

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 11:21 pm

We did not know vanguard

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 11:22 pm

you guys are freeks to USMC

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Deo Vindice SC August 20, 2014 at 11:51 pm

Colonel, you just do not seem like a Commander to me, sorry for that. Marines would NEVER question combat personnel on the issues you wanted to insert yourself on. The dates and Marines that gave themselves for the United States of America will never be in question for the US Marine Corps.

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Fibinachi August 21, 2014 at 2:39 pm

Suddenly conservatives are concerned about the police? Whatever happened to the good old days of beating hippies and ensuring order?

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euwe max August 21, 2014 at 7:12 pm

I think they call that “fusion”

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